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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Randy Meyer
 

David:

 

For me the ElBraille 14 can be carried in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket.  I pair my small laptop with a 40-cell display making it slightly less portable.

 

I switch between using both depending on if I am carry a briefcase, how much computer power I want and how much battery life I need.

 

I could go to a more portable version of my laptop by using my 14-cell display with it, but then I would need to remove from the ElBraille dock.

 

If I was starting over, I probably would just go with a mini laptop, due to the slower speed of ElBraille and small storage space.  However, I am glad there are options and I still credit the purchase of the ElBraille with forcing me to learn all of the Braille commands.

 

Randy Meyer

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

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From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
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>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
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>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
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>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
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>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
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>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
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>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
Right, I'm fully aware and 100% ok with the fact that the elbraille only has a braille keyboard.
I know braille.
The hardest part for me personally, will be learning the braille commands.
However, this task shouldn't be that difficult because I'm a very quick learner.
I also love to learn how to use my assistive tech, and for the most part, am self-taught, with help from user guides, and mailing lists, when necessary.

Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:55 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@samobile.net> wrote:

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:
Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@wi.rr.com> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
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Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
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I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately. > > I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > freedomscientific.com%2FCertification&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd > 2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 7140878408052422&amp;sdata=ZqV3BWc%2FSCgINksACEizpnI79mlqTduoTIZ9USao% > 2FtY%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National > Federation of the Blind of Virginia > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.nfbv.org&;d > ata=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb4 > 35aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iu7nxnn7%2FLzFiO > pwaq3mikK6cyvtG6K6gSH4c%2Fc%2FnBg%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > nfbv.org&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=w5 > sYibqsjyP%2Bq2pfHpmBtBnl15XPqcnqhmLik%2Bh2ou0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind > > > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.hadley.edu& > ;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84df9e7fe9f640af > b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata=iLxHncit4%2FlG > yx%2BQKToctZ1RLKaNnS3oimswNwrQCC8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. > hadley.edu&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1aa374d6cd2b40a46fcc08d79440d136%7C84 > df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637140878408052422&amp;sdata= > lf59glxZm553WWLHdkIXhAZIpkZ73k3xkw9zEeX1Be0%3D&amp;reserved=0> > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote: > > > It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

Hello All:
There is something that has not been mentioned here regarding the El Braille. It has nice features, fast and powerful but comparing it with a laptop the El Braille does not have a QWERTY keyboard. Everything is run from the keyboard of the Focus 14 or 40 braille display.

I must say that for what you are getting, and from what I have seen it is a bit pricy and you could get a netbook computer with an SSD drive and a 13 inch width and spend your money in finding the Focus 14 or 40 to be a much more price saver.

Also, I was told that doing windows update is not going to be the same as getting a comercially baught computer as there are some proprietary that Freedom Scientific and the manufacturer of the El Braille in Russa have done.

If I'm wrong on these things, I hope someone will varify them so that people don't plop a lot of money down a black hole and end up with something that gets outdated quickly as the technology is changing too fast.

Original message:

Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible.
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack.
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle.
Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@wi.rr.com> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?
Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.
Morey Worthington
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!
My laptops are only $250.00!
I use win10 and everything!
I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?
David More
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From: Michael Munn <mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Randy Meyer <randymeyer@charter.net> wrote: <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>
I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog. The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years. It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel. Randy Meyer -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive. The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? Hi, I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14. One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast. It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute. Is that accurate? Thanks, Jessica > On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Randy, > The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things. > The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great. > > I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that. > > Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display. > > I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed. > > Randy Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error. > I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious. > I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim. > > O well, I'll shut up now on this topic. > > > > Richard > > 🖖 Live long and prosper > > > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi Richard, > > I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard > Turner > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS? > > ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you
have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately? > ) > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by > Jane Wagner > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Jessica, > > If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out. > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > > Hi, > Earlier, someone mentioned delays. > Are there production delays? > Is the elbraille 5th generation out? > I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." > Thanks, > Jessica > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >  > I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone. > Thanks for asking. > Best regards > Michael Munn > > > > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
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<michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box.
You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker. > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi, >
Thank you both for the info. > > Can you use your microsoft account
password, as your login password? > > This is what I do currently. > > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers. > > > > Thanks, > > Jessica > >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote: >
Hi, > >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It
is not the 40, but it is also detachable. > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM > >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40? > >> > >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them. > >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying. > >> It is a little expensive though. > >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare. > >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair. > >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40. > >>> > >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices? > >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jessica > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I have a pc and braillenote touch+. Sometimes, I'm in invironments where hearing jaws, with speech alone is difficult, if not impossible. 
Also, my laptop, being a 15-inch is quite huge and heavy, when placed in a backpack. 
If I were to get an elbraille, like I'm seriously thinking of doing, that would become my main machine, and I'd use the laptop at home, or for things the elbraille can't handle. 

Thanks,
Jessica


On Jan 8, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Morey Worthington <worthington@...> wrote:



Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?

Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.

Morey Worthington

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Morey Worthington
 

Hi David. If this is you, and sorry about changing subject, but is there a tutorial made by you, or someone you know of, about using Outlook and its keystrokes?

Any thought appreciated. Again, sorry about changing subject line.

Morey Worthington

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
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>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Press the power button once, then dots 1-2-3 together to switch from one to the other.
Hope that helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler:

Can you remind me of the command to switch be tween USB and Bluetooth?

I wish there was a email group dedicated to the ElBraille.

Thank you.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn


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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I don’t take mine everywhere with me, simply because I have another laptop which is my main machine for work and other things, however….

I can’t speak for new, but I bought mine used for $1,400 Canadian dollars, which included the braille display and elbraille itself – I can’t get the braille display for that price brand new here.

Remember that this also comes with a sim card slot for mobile data – something that seems to be overlooked – and that it is a one piece device. Most laptops that come with a sim tray start at $1000 on their own.

I hate carrying two devices – having to find a place to set the laptop so I can work on my braille display, or vice versa, is just too much of a headache to me, and I can still detach the display if I want to use this with my phone or other computer. Plus, it is still much more compact than a regular laptop – at least the 14 cell version, and lasts for 3 times as long as any laptop out there.

I wouldn’t say that convenience factor is worth the price of a brand new elbraille unit, to me, but if I were to get a braille display I likely wouldn’t be bothered transporting along with my regular computer, either, which means it wouldn’t get used.

I still don’t use it as much as I should, but it is here and working if I ever need it, along with the computer it is attached to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
Yes. This is most likely because EMMC storage is a slightly lower end solid state drive than is probably in your laptop and / or desktop.
From what I am able to gather, that 128 gb Data drive is essentially a full size sd card that they have connected internally, but I might be wrong. You can move apps such as office 365 and OneDrive over to that in settings, as well as install things like dropbox on there as well, so that the drive which contains windows (a size of 32 GB) isn't taken up by that and you have more storage to work with.
The Braille lite and braille n speak product lines will always be close to my heart. They are what I grew up with and to this day their braille output remains one of their strong points.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn



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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

It will handle it, but you’ll have to be patient. iTunes is a notorious resource hog – and if you use it for your daily music needs, might I recommend something like Foobar 2000, which has a much smaller footprint.

At least now Jaws works out of the box with iTunes, rather than paying ridiculous prices for scripts, at least in theory.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

Hi, 

How does the device handle itunes? 

I was trying to do something in itunes earlier, and jaws quit talking altogether, until I moved focus away from the app. 

Thanks,

Jessica

 



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:



Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
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>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

James Bentley
 

Silenzio fixed this same problem on 3 different laptops for me.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

try Silenzio, it will continuely play a small WAV file which will not
let your soundcard sleep.
http://www.stefankiss.sk/programy/silenzio/Silenzio_1.0_setup.exe


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael Munn [mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 5:08 PM
Subject: Any way I can disable this audio issue?
Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that
is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back
while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my nerve is the
sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I
want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.
Hope to hear from you.
Best regards
Michael Munn

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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Jessica,

I would suspect it will work the same on the ElBraille, as it's running Windows 10 and Jaws would function in the same manner.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
How does the device handle itunes?
I was trying to do something in itunes earlier, and jaws quit talking altogether, until I moved focus away from the app.
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:





Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.



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Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?



I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More



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Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?



on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth.

Thanks for asking.

Best regards

Michael Munn




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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Randy Meyer <randymeyer@charter.net> wrote: <http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> 🖖 Live long and prosper
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jessica,
>
> If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi,
> Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
> Are there production delays?
> Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
> I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
> I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
> Thanks for asking.
> Best regards
> Michael Munn
>
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> It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Thank you both for the info.
> > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> > This is what I do currently.
> > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jessica
> >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
> >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
> >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
> >>
> >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
> >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
> >> It is a little expensive though.
> >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
> >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
> >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
> >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi, 
How does the device handle itunes? 
I was trying to do something in itunes earlier, and jaws quit talking altogether, until I moved focus away from the app. 
Thanks,
Jessica
 


On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:



Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


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From:
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Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=
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>
>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jason White
 

Having everything in a single, compact device has its advantages. Whether that’s worth the price depends on each individual’s needs and circumstances.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 17:26
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <
kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <
michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
>
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <
tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To:
main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <
jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Mario
 

try Silenzio, it will continuely play a small WAV file which will not
let your soundcard sleep.
http://www.stefankiss.sk/programy/silenzio/Silenzio_1.0_setup.exe

-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael Munn [mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 5:08 PM
Subject: Any way I can disable this audio issue?
Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that
is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back
while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my nerve is the
sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I
want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.
Hope to hear from you.
Best regards
Michael Munn

[image: JAWS Certified, 2019]
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the
Blind of Virginia

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu


moderated Re: how do I do a jaws repair?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi mike, I got it done and all works well. Thanks for your help. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 6:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do i do a jaws repair?

 

Hi Jim,

 

What version of Jaws do you have installed?  Let me know the exact version & build and I'll send you a download link for your version / build.  After you get the installer downloaded, highlight the installer and press enter.  A dialogue will come up and you either arrow or tab to the, Repair button, and press enter.  The repair will start and should only take a minute or 3.


Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 5:42 PM

Subject: how do i do a jaws repair?

 

Hi all, I am getting a message, every time  I boot up my computer, which says, jaws display drive is  not installed properly. Do a repair of jaws. So how do I do that? Jim


moderated Re: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Chris
 

You will need to turn off power management for the sound device

For some reason this may be easily said than done since the removal of the power management tab for most device properties

But if you cant turn it off through your device properties try going through control panel > audio manager

And hopefully you can turn off power management through that applet

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: 08 January 2020 22:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Any way I can disable this audio issue?

 

Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my   nerve is the sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.

Hope to hear from you.

Best regards 


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

David Moore
 

I have ben wondering, for the price, what is the advantage of using the El Braille instead of a small laptop and a Braille display!

My laptops are only $250.00!

I use win10 and everything!

I have never been able to figure this out, and I was wondering what you use the El Braille for that makes it worth the price from Vispero?

David More

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 

The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
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🖖 Live long and prosper
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> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To: main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
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>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
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>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
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moderated Any way I can disable this audio issue?

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, I recently purchased a new computer and I love it. One thing that is in my I'm an intermediate Jaws user and I love some audio feed back while I'm using Jaws.One thing that the new laptop get on my   nerve is the sound system shuts off automatically when not in use for a long time. I want to know is there a way for me to disable this settings.
Hope to hear from you.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

on a Focus Braille To quickly switch between USB and Bluetooth is to hold down the Power Key and dot 123 
The Focus 40 5th Generation can connect up to 5 devices at a time via Bluetooth. 
Thanks for asking.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Randy Meyer <randymeyer@...> wrote:
I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less.  It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up.  It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive.  I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that.  On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Randy,
> The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
> The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> I have an ElBraille 14.  I have found it to be slow.  It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station.  I agree that the battery life is great.
>
> I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price.  It is faster.  I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable.  I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard.  I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command.  The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own.  I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.
>
> Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display.  I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.
>
> I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.
>
> Randy Meyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
> I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
> I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.
>
> O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
> Kriegler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
> Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
> OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
>
> ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.
>
> I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
> )
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>    On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>    Hi Jessica,
>
>    If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.
>
>    Les
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
>    To: main@jfw.groups.io
>    Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>
>    Hi,
>    Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
>    Are there production delays?
>    Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
>    I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
>    Thanks,
>    Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>       On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>       
>       I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
>       Thanks for asking.
>       Best regards
>       Michael  Munn
>
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>       On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
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>
>           It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
>           > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >
>           > Hi,
>           > Thank you both for the info.
>           > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
>           > This is what I do currently.
>           > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>           >
>           > Thanks,
>           > Jessica
>           >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Hi,
>           >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>           >> Thanks
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> -----Original Message-----
>           >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>           >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>           >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>           >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>           >>
>           >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>           >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>           >> It is a little expensive though.
>           >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>           >>>
>           >>> Hi,
>           >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>           >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>           >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>           >>>
>           >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>           >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>           >>>
>           >>> Thanks,
>           >>>
>           >>> Jessica
>           >>>
>           >>>
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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Randy Meyer
 

I agree, it seems to take a second or three to open up Word, where my desktop and laptop it seems like a second or less. It works fine in word, but it does take a second or two to bring up the save as dialog.

The hard drive is small, you have to be careful not to fill it up. It does have a data drive in addition to the regular drive. I would say plan to install office 365, Jaws and windows 10 and not a lot beyond that. On a positive note, I have not lost any files or data off of the hard drive, unlike a number of Braille note takers I have owned over 30+ years.

It is great to use actual windows 10 and office 365, rather than proprietary note taker software that can open word and excel files and edit them, but is not word or excel.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

That's about right yes. The machine has an EMMC solid state drive, so read and write times are a lot quicker than a conventional mechanical hard drive. Think of it like having a thumb drive with no moving parts inside the machine instead of the wurring hard drive.
The problem comes when you do processor intensive things. As I said though, for general office tasks and less resource intensive activities, it will get the job done. Perhaps not quite as speedily as other machines, but it will also give you 18 plus hours of batterylife.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
I just watched a few youtube videos, that demoed the elbraille 14.
One of the videos showed booting up, and opening word, both of which, I thought were very fast.
It seemed like jaws was loaded in about 30 seconds, maybe more like a minute.
Is that accurate?

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Randy,
The elbraille 14 can be paired with Bluetooth to the gdp pocket. With a simple command, the unit can be switched from USB, which is how it communicate with the elbraille, to Bluetooth. Alternatively you could undo the USB connection from the docking station and connect it to the pocket. It's unfortunate that you have Bluetooth issues - I regularly use mine on my Android phone and switch back to the elbraille for other things.
The docking station - essentially the part that is the windows computer - is slow, however is perfectly fine for general usage and as you said will give excellent batterylife compared with 99% of new laptops.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

I have an ElBraille 14. I have found it to be slow. It was affordable, as I already had Jaws, bought a used focus 14 display, and paid some where around $1,000 for the docking station. I agree that the battery life is great.

I recently purchased a mini laptop, the GDP Pocket for around $350 and pared it with a used focus 40 display I picked up at a reasonable price. It is faster. I found I needed to connect the display by cord, because Bluetooth was unreliable. I like that it gives me the option to use the small keyboard on the computer instead of the Braille display keyboard. I only do this when something stumps me for the correct Braille keyboard command. The downside is far less battery life, especially because the Braille display draws from the computer's battery before using it's own. I would say my battery life runs somewhere between 4 and 6 hours, depending on use, where the ElBraille is probably triple that.

Purchasing the ElBraille did force me to learn all of the Braille keyboard commands, which gave me the confidence to purchase the GDP Pocket and try it with a Braille display. I can put the ElBraille 14 in a jacket pocket or even a pants pocket, where I can not do that with a GDP Pocket with a 40-cell display.

I still use both machines depending on the convenience factor and computer power needed.

Randy Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les
Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by
Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@optimum.net> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn



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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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