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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

But you cannot toggle NVDA or JAWS on or off at will with a keystroke in Windows 10 like you can with Narrator, which is a great convenience.  And Narrator comes up immediately with the Control-Windows key-Enter command.  There is no delay like there is with NVDA or JAWS.  And it can be closed with this same keystroke,unlike JAWS and NVDA, which require multiple keystrokes to close.   And there are times when when neither JAWS nor NVDA will speak due to some technical glitch, but because Narrator is built into the operating system, it will almost always work.  So setting it so that it can be used to only announce log on and log off is not a good idea, in my humble opinion.  Sorry if I came on too strongly in my previous message.


Gerald

On 1/8/2020 12:23 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Really Gerald.  Can we lay off of the attacks please.  It was a suggestion. I personally use NVDA to tell me what is going on when JAWS quits for no reason.  I did not know that you could set Narrator to only speak at log on and off.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


How stupid is that?  If JAWS stops speaking for some reason, then you
won't be able to toggle on Narrator to troubleshoot the problem.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:49 AM, george b wrote:
Set naraitor to only run at log on and shutdown and it will tell you the log on info and it will say logging off when shutting down and will not speak anywhere els after logging in

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: January 8, 2020 8:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down.  I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on. Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports.  This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry
but exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again,
in hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logof
f
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...





















moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Chris Hill
 

I think all you need do is find the jaws install file and run it.  If you don't have it,  find out what version you are running, download the install file and run it.



On 1/8/2020 11:45, Jim Rawls wrote:

Mike, how do I do a jaws repair? I am getting a message that says, the display driver for jaws did not install well. You need to do a jaws repaoir. How do I do that? Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi Jim,

 

The Jaws-Users list was shutdown many months ago.  The new email list / group that was started to take its place is called, jfw-users@groups.io, and you can subscribe to this list using the link below.

 

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:40 PM

Subject: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Jim Rawls
 

Mike, how do I do a jaws repair? I am getting a message that says, the display driver for jaws did not install well. You need to do a jaws repaoir. How do I do that? Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi Jim,

 

The Jaws-Users list was shutdown many months ago.  The new email list / group that was started to take its place is called, jfw-users@groups.io, and you can subscribe to this list using the link below.

 

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:40 PM

Subject: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

I also use NVDA as my backup for JAWS.  There are many work-arounds for most issues.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 12:23 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Really Gerald.  Can we lay off of the attacks please.  It was a suggestion. I personally use NVDA to tell me what is going on when JAWS quits for no reason.  I did not know that you could set Narrator to only speak at log on and off.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


How stupid is that?  If JAWS stops speaking for some reason, then you
won't be able to toggle on Narrator to troubleshoot the problem.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:49 AM, george b wrote:
Set naraitor to only run at log on and shutdown and it will tell you the log on info and it will say logging off when shutting down and will not speak anywhere els after logging in

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: January 8, 2020 8:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down.  I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on. Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports.  This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry
but exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again,
in hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logof
f
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...




















Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Marty Hutchings
 

Really Gerald. Can we lay off of the attacks please. It was a suggestion. I personally use NVDA to tell me what is going on when JAWS quits for no reason. I did not know that you could set Narrator to only speak at log on and off.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


How stupid is that? If JAWS stops speaking for some reason, then you
won't be able to toggle on Narrator to troubleshoot the problem.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:49 AM, george b wrote:
Set naraitor to only run at log on and shutdown and it will tell you the log on info and it will say logging off when shutting down and will not speak anywhere els after logging in

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: January 8, 2020 8:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down. I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on. Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports. This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary. The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results. If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry
but exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you! ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again,
in hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logof
f
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...
















moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

Yes It does. 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:19 AM Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,

If a 15-inch laptop fits into a backpack, can the Elbraille fit?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I don't know about that. I can give Freedom a call and asking them real quick. For the ElBraille 40 4, A user have to send the unit in along with their Jaws Authorization code in to Freedom because ElBraille 40 4 don't come with a docking station. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

It would be definitely cheeper wwhen a user have both Jaws and a Focus 5. With those 2 units, all a user have to buy is is the docking Station. This is what Vispero offered to user who use a Focus 40 4 in early 2018. 

 

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



        On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



        Hi Jessica,

        If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

        Les

        -----Original Message-----
        From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
        Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
        To: main@jfw.groups.io
        Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

        Hi,
        Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
        Are there production delays?
        Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
        I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
        Thanks,
        Jessica





           On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



           
           I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
           Thanks for asking.
           Best regards
           Michael  Munn


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           On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


               It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
               > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >
               > Hi,
               > Thank you both for the info.
               > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
               > This is what I do currently.
               > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
               >
               > Thanks,
               > Jessica
               >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
               >>
               >> Hi,
               >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
               >> Thanks
               >>
               >>
               >> -----Original Message-----
               >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
               >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
               >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
               >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
               >>
               >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
               >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
               >> It is a little expensive though.
               >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >>>
               >>> Hi,
               >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
               >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
               >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
               >>>
               >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
               >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
               >>>
               >>> Thanks,
               >>>
               >>> Jessica
               >>>
               >>>
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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

How stupid is that?  If JAWS stops speaking for some reason, then you won't be able to toggle on Narrator to troubleshoot the problem.


Gerald

On 1/8/2020 11:49 AM, george b wrote:
Set naraitor to only run at log on and shutdown and it will tell you the log on info and it will say logging off when shutting down and will not speek anywhere els after logging in

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: January 8, 2020 8:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down. I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on. Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports. This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary. The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results. If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry
but exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you! ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again,
in hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logof
f
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...















Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

george b
 

Set naraitor to only run at log on and shutdown and it will tell you the log on info and it will say logging off when shutting down and will not speek anywhere els after logging in

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: January 8, 2020 8:45
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down. I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on. Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports. This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10. Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary. The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results. If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning. Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry
but exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you! ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again,
in hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logof
f
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...













Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

I have two ways of knowing my laptop has shut down.  I can press on the cd player, and if it opens, the laptop is still on.  Also, my external speaker makes a sound when the laptop shuts down.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 1/8/2020 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports.  This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but
exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in
hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...












moderated Re: Word reading issue

John Doering
 

Steve:

The alt W 1 seems to have done it.

Thank you very much.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Griffiths
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

 

I would guess this is related to how the Word documents are presented on screen. If they are showing two pages, side by side, this issue would arise.

 

Two ways to sort it, if this is the cause.

First would be to zoom the page to a level where only one page shows on screen. you can do that with Alt, W, 1.

Second would be to change from print view to draft view with Alt + Ctrl + N. Draft view contains all the text but doesn't no graphics or other visual things like headers or footers. If you are sharing the document with sighted people and want to put it back into print view, you can use Alt + Ctrl + P.

 

Hope that helps,

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 January 2020 16:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

I’ve also had the problem.

 

 

 

Sandra

 

 

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Or every man be blind —

 

(Emily Dickinson)

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Well, it is somewhat reassuring that I am not the only one having this issue.

If no one provides a fix, I should send the issue to tech support.

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

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Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

Or, instead of buying such a device, plug in your iPhone or whatever you have, just make sure you don't use the port which many computers now have and which can charge even with the laptop turned off. If the computer is still on, your phone will start to charge.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports.  This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but
exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything
for you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in
hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff
-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...










Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

Which is why the only reliable means of determining whether your computer has powered off is to connect a small USB powered cooling fan to one of the USB ports.  This is especially useful if your computer has an SSD or internal fan that emits little or no mechanical noise or vibration of its own.


Gerald

On 1/8/2020 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but
exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in
hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...









moderated Re: Word reading issue

Steve Griffiths
 


I would guess this is related to how the Word documents are presented on screen. If they are showing two pages, side by side, this issue would arise.

 

Two ways to sort it, if this is the cause.

First would be to zoom the page to a level where only one page shows on screen. you can do that with Alt, W, 1.

Second would be to change from print view to draft view with Alt + Ctrl + N. Draft view contains all the text but doesn't no graphics or other visual things like headers or footers. If you are sharing the document with sighted people and want to put it back into print view, you can use Alt + Ctrl + P.

 

Hope that helps,

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 January 2020 16:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

I’ve also had the problem.

 

 

 

Sandra

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Well, it is somewhat reassuring that I am not the only one having this issue.

If no one provides a fix, I should send the issue to tech support.

 

Thanks,

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,

If a 15-inch laptop fits into a backpack, can the Elbraille fit?

 

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

I don't know about that. I can give Freedom a call and asking them real quick. For the ElBraille 40 4, A user have to send the unit in along with their Jaws Authorization code in to Freedom because ElBraille 40 4 don't come with a docking station. 

Thanks for asking.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

It would be definitely cheeper wwhen a user have both Jaws and a Focus 5. With those 2 units, all a user have to buy is is the docking Station. This is what Vispero offered to user who use a Focus 40 4 in early 2018. 

 

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



        On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



        Hi Jessica,

        If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

        Les

        -----Original Message-----
        From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
        Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
        To: main@jfw.groups.io
        Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

        Hi,
        Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
        Are there production delays?
        Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
        I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
        Thanks,
        Jessica





           On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



           
           I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
           Thanks for asking.
           Best regards
           Michael  Munn


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           On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


               It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
               > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >
               > Hi,
               > Thank you both for the info.
               > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
               > This is what I do currently.
               > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
               >
               > Thanks,
               > Jessica
               >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
               >>
               >> Hi,
               >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
               >> Thanks
               >>
               >>
               >> -----Original Message-----
               >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
               >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
               >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
               >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
               >>
               >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
               >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
               >> It is a little expensive though.
               >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >>>
               >>> Hi,
               >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
               >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
               >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
               >>>
               >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
               >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
               >>>
               >>> Thanks,
               >>>
               >>> Jessica
               >>>
               >>>
               >>>
               >>
               >>
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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

And even in Windows 7 I had situations where the shut-down sound played and then one of my sighted employees or my wife said the computer had not powered down because of some message which Jaws didn't read any more.
But adding it to Windows 10 as an elevated task as I described in my other email does work well and it's better than nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but
exit is still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a
different user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it
hasn't shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in
hopes that it will get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the
link below that will download the zip file containing the registry
edit scripts that will return the logon, logoff and system exit
events back to the Sound settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-
Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...






Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

I am not sure why Jaws should have a Windows shut-down event sound.

Enabling the Windows shut-down sound is certainly possible, I used the method Brian Vogel posted on the Windows 10 list before and I pasted the steps below.

Note that your issue may simply be the fact that you have fast startup enabled, the Windows shut-down sound will not work or at best work unreliably if fast startup is enabled.

 

Play Sound at Shutdown in Windows 10

 

Starting in Windows 8, the Windows Shutdown sound event has been disabled. This leaves you unable to change or play the Windows Shutdown sound when a user selects to shut down the PC in Windows 10. As a workaround, you can still create an elevated task to play a sound at shutdown Windows 10.

This tutorial will show you how to play a sound at shutdown for all users in Windows 10.

You must be signed in as an administrator to create an elevated task. Here's How:

 

1. Press the Win+R keys to open Run, type taskschd.msc into Run, and click/tap on OK to open Task Scheduler.

2. Click/tap on Task Scheduler Library in the left pane of Task Scheduler, and click/tap on Create Task in the right Actions pane.

3. In the General tab, type a name (ex: "Play shutdown sound") you want for this task.

4. In the General tab, select Run whether user is logged on or not.

5. In the General tab, check the Run with highest privileges box.

6. In the General tab, select Windows 10 in the Configure for drop down.

7. Click/tap on the Triggers tab, and click/tap on the New button.

8. Perform the actions below:

A) Select "On an event" in the Begin the task drop down.

B) Select "System" in the Log drop down.

C) Type "1074" (user initiated shutdown) in the Event ID drop down, and click/tap on OK.

9. Click/tap on the Actions tab, and click/tap on the New button.

10. Perform the actions below:

A) Select Start a program in the Action drop down.

B) Type "PowerShell" in the Program/script field box.

C) Enter the command below into the Add arguments field box, and click/tap on OK.

-c (New-Object Media.SoundPlayer 'C:\Windows\Media\Windows Shutdown.wav').PlaySync();

Note: If you wanted to play a sound (.wav file) of your choice instead, you can substitute C:\Windows\Media\Windows Shutdown.wav in the command above with the full path of the .wav file you want to be played.

11. Click/tap on the Conditions tab, uncheck the "Start the task only if the computer is on AC power" and click/tap on OK.

12. You will be prompted to enter your account's password, do so and click/tap on OK.

The "Play Shutdown Sound" task is now finished, and will now play a sound when the PC is shutdown.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

 

 

I suggest you bring this idea directly to Eric Damery's attention.  You could contact Vispero to get his email address.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/8/2020 10:35 AM, Peter Tesar wrote:

Hi,

 

Probably the easiest change would be to get Jaws to add a closing sound like NVDA has.

At least it would give some indication that the shutdown was in progress.

 

Perhaps Jaws could wait to shutdown itself after a dialogue box is on screen warning that shutting down might cause you to loos data in the program still open.

 

Peter T.

 

On 1/8/2020 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:

Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:

I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but exit is
still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a different
user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it hasn't
shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in hopes that it
will
get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the link below
that will download the zip file containing the registry edit scripts that
will return the logon, logoff and system exit events back to the Sound
settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...






 





moderated Re: Word reading issue

Sandra Streeter
 

I’ve also had the problem.

 

 

 

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Or every man be blind —

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Well, it is somewhat reassuring that I am not the only one having this issue.

If no one provides a fix, I should send the issue to tech support.

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Re: Word reading issue

John Doering
 

Well, it is somewhat reassuring that I am not the only one having this issue.

If no one provides a fix, I should send the issue to tech support.

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word reading issue

 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Re: Word reading issue

JOHN RIEHL
 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 


I suggest you bring this idea directly to Eric Damery's attention.  You could contact Vispero to get his email address.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 10:35 AM, Peter Tesar wrote:

Hi,


Probably the easiest change would be to get Jaws to add a closing sound like NVDA has.

At least it would give some indication that the shutdown was in progress.


Perhaps Jaws could wait to shutdown itself after a dialogue box is on screen warning that shutting down might cause you to loos data in the program still open.


Peter T.


On 1/8/2020 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but exit is
still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a different
user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it hasn't
shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in hopes that it
will
get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the link below
that will download the zip file containing the registry edit scripts that
will return the logon, logoff and system exit events back to the Sound
settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...