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moderated Re: Word reading issue

JOHN RIEHL
 

Interestingly, I am having this exact same problem using the latest version of JAWS and Word 16 and word 2019.

 

This is consistent behavior.

How do I fix this?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word reading issue

 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 


I suggest you bring this idea directly to Eric Damery's attention.  You could contact Vispero to get his email address.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 10:35 AM, Peter Tesar wrote:

Hi,


Probably the easiest change would be to get Jaws to add a closing sound like NVDA has.

At least it would give some indication that the shutdown was in progress.


Perhaps Jaws could wait to shutdown itself after a dialogue box is on screen warning that shutting down might cause you to loos data in the program still open.


Peter T.


On 1/8/2020 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but exit is
still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a different
user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it hasn't
shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in hopes that it
will
get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the link below
that will download the zip file containing the registry edit scripts that
will return the logon, logoff and system exit events back to the Sound
settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...














moderated Re: website design and application hotkeys

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I assume you are talking about Atlassian Jira? Do you work for Atlassian, in which case you should speak with Vispero, I can get you contacts off list. 
If you are a user of Atlassian products, first I noticed that they are looking for a "Head of Accessibility" and second, you can always use JAWS bypass insert-3 or turn off quick nav keys in a specific Chrome window if you are running JAWS 2020.
Jonathan ,


moderated Word reading issue

John Doering
 

Hello:

I am working with Word 13 I believe and JAWS 2019.

I am typing up notes for a colleague and ran into a strange problem.

The total document ended up to be 3 pages.  As I arrow down reading the document it will jump from the end of page 1 to the start of page 3.

If I use move by word or character, it will flow correctly from bottom of page 1 to top of page 2.  If I then try to arrow back up, it will not go beyond the top of page 2.

The flow from the bottom of page2 to top of page 3 seems to be fine.

Anyone know what my problem is and how to fix it?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.


Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Peter Tesar
 

Hi,


Probably the easiest change would be to get Jaws to add a closing sound like NVDA has.

At least it would give some indication that the shutdown was in progress.


Perhaps Jaws could wait to shutdown itself after a dialogue box is on screen warning that shutting down might cause you to loos data in the program still open.


Peter T.


On 1/8/2020 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald



On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but exit is
still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a different
user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the  file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it hasn't
shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in hopes that it
will
get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the link below
that will download the zip file containing the registry edit scripts that
will return the logon, logoff and system exit events back to the Sound
settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...














moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

I don't know about that. I can give Freedom a call and asking them real quick. For the ElBraille 40 4, A user have to send the unit in along with their Jaws Authorization code in to Freedom because ElBraille 40 4 don't come with a docking station. 
Thanks for asking.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:08 AM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
It would be definitely cheeper wwhen a user have both Jaws and a Focus 5. With those 2 units, all a user have to buy is is the docking Station. This is what Vispero offered to user who use a Focus 40 4 in early 2018. 
This is all i know.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:02 AM Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



        On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



        Hi Jessica,

        If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

        Les

        -----Original Message-----
        From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
        Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
        To: main@jfw.groups.io
        Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

        Hi,
        Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
        Are there production delays?
        Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
        I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
        Thanks,
        Jessica





           On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



           
           I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
           Thanks for asking.
           Best regards
           Michael  Munn


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           Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia

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           Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind


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           On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


               It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
               > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >
               > Hi,
               > Thank you both for the info.
               > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
               > This is what I do currently.
               > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
               >
               > Thanks,
               > Jessica
               >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
               >>
               >> Hi,
               >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
               >> Thanks
               >>
               >>
               >> -----Original Message-----
               >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
               >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
               >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
               >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
               >>
               >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
               >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
               >> It is a little expensive though.
               >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >>>
               >>> Hi,
               >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
               >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
               >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
               >>>
               >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
               >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
               >>>
               >>> Thanks,
               >>>
               >>> Jessica
               >>>
               >>>
               >>>
               >>
               >>
               >>
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moderated Re: laptops

 

I think given what today’s smartphones can do we have to carry less than ever. If I go away for just a few days whether it’s business or leisure I have my iPhone and of course a charger for it, I may also bring my Bluetooth keyboard and maybe a Bluetooth speaker and that is it. No more laptop to bring unless I am away for more than a week or two, no more tape recorder or digital book reader along with proprietary charger for most of that stuff. I haven’t had a need for a DVD drive in years and I am not a braille display user.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: laptops

 

A blind person told a group with all the gadgets we have to carry around we need a big backpack with us. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: January 6, 2020 10:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: laptops

 

Hi. Well good luck. Most laptops these days, don’t come with a optical drive. You can get a blue tooth or wireless. Means having to carry around. If you can get one with a cd drive, good luck. I have an assus vivo book x 540 uar, and no optical drive. And my mom has a Lenovo idea pad 330s, and no optical drive. With the specifications, a intel I 3 5 or higher if you can get I 3 7 or I 3 8, with at least 8 to 16 gb ram, a solid state drive, try to get 500 gb or 1 tb, and maybe a second ssd. And also make sure it has dolby sound. And a good keyboard. Also good battery life. My laptop, can get up to 7 or 8 hours battery. And does not come with an extended number pad. You have to get an added on. Which makes it more having to carry around more things. And also usb 3. If possible. I got my 15 inch screen. Also some laptops, the number lock key is on the right hand bottom side or down the side of the keyboard, not on the number row or function keys. Marvin.


moderated Re: how do I do a jaws repair?

Richard B. McDonald
 

To do a repair, go to the JAWS website and download the installer file for your version of JAWS.  Then, run it.  It will detect your existing installation and ask if you want to perform a repair.  BTW, I just had to do this for the exact same reason as you following an update on my PC from Windows 7 to 10.  Mine, though, was for JAWS 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: how do I do a jaws repair?

 

Hi all, I am getting a message when I boot up my computer that the display driver for jaws did not install properly. Doa repair of jaws. So how do I do that? I am using jaws 2020 and a windows gen computer. Jim


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Richard Turner
 

After this question, I promise I will shut up.

What is the price of the docking station/windows 10 box?

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

It would be definitely cheeper wwhen a user have both Jaws and a Focus 5. With those 2 units, all a user have to buy is is the docking Station. This is what Vispero offered to user who use a Focus 40 4 in early 2018. 

This is all i know.

Best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



        On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



        Hi Jessica,

        If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

        Les

        -----Original Message-----
        From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
        Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
        To: main@jfw.groups.io
        Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

        Hi,
        Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
        Are there production delays?
        Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
        I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
        Thanks,
        Jessica





           On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



           
           I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
           Thanks for asking.
           Best regards
           Michael  Munn


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           On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


               It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
               > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >
               > Hi,
               > Thank you both for the info.
               > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
               > This is what I do currently.
               > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
               >
               > Thanks,
               > Jessica
               >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
               >>
               >> Hi,
               >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
               >> Thanks
               >>
               >>
               >> -----Original Message-----
               >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
               >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
               >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
               >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
               >>
               >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
               >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
               >> It is a little expensive though.
               >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >>>
               >>> Hi,
               >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
               >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
               >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
               >>>
               >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
               >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
               >>>
               >>> Thanks,
               >>>
               >>> Jessica
               >>>
               >>>
               >>>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >
               >
               >




















moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

It would be definitely cheeper wwhen a user have both Jaws and a Focus 5. With those 2 units, all a user have to buy is is the docking Station. This is what Vispero offered to user who use a Focus 40 4 in early 2018. 
This is all i know.
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:02 AM Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you.  If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System.  So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013.  Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again.  For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws.  In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display.  Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



        On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



        Hi Jessica,

        If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

        Les

        -----Original Message-----
        From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
        Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
        To: main@jfw.groups.io
        Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

        Hi,
        Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
        Are there production delays?
        Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
        I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
        Thanks,
        Jessica





           On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:



           
           I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
           Thanks for asking.
           Best regards
           Michael  Munn


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           On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


               It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
               > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >
               > Hi,
               > Thank you both for the info.
               > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
               > This is what I do currently.
               > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
               >
               > Thanks,
               > Jessica
               >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
               >>
               >> Hi,
               >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
               >> Thanks
               >>
               >>
               >> -----Original Message-----
               >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
               >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
               >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
               >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
               >>
               >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
               >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
               >> It is a little expensive though.
               >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
               >>>
               >>> Hi,
               >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
               >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
               >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
               >>>
               >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
               >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
               >>>
               >>> Thanks,
               >>>
               >>> Jessica
               >>>
               >>>
               >>>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >>
               >
               >
               >





















moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Richard Turner
 

It is fascinating to me that their web site does not give any prices for the 14 or 40 version of this low-end Windows machine combo and if one follows the link to the place to purchase either one, you find a 404 page not found error.
I wouldn't be in the market anyway, but just curious.
I personally would rather have a full fledged laptop and a braille display but I guess I can understand the appeal to some with the extended battery life they claim.

O well, I'll shut up now on this topic.



Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn


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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

The idea is that once you put it all together, you have an all-in-one computer with braille keyboard, braille display and Windows. If such a thing could be had in such a way that it weren’t overpriced and underpowered, it would great all-in-one device for a lot of us.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

 

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

 

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

 

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?

)

 

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:

Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





   On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
   
   

   
   I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
   Thanks for asking.
   Best regards
   Michael  Munn
   

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   On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms@... <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
   

       It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
       > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
       >
       > Hi,
       > Thank you both for the info.
       > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
       > This is what I do currently.
       > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
       >
       > Thanks,
       > Jessica
       >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
       >>
       >> Hi,
       >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
       >> Thanks
       >>
       >>
       >> -----Original Message-----
       >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
       >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
       >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
       >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
       >>
       >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
       >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
       >> It is a little expensive though.
       >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
       >>>
       >>> Hi,
       >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
       >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
       >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
       >>>
       >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
       >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
       >>>
       >>> Thanks,
       >>>
       >>> Jessica
       >>>
       >>>
       >>>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >
       >
       >
       
       
       
       






moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Richard,

I'll be glad to try and answer your question with the understanding that I know far less than you. If someone was in the market for a braille note taker, the idea is that you have an integrated unit, braille display and ElBraille unit which runs the Windows Operating System. So you could run Office 365, 2019, 2016 or 2013. Many have Jaws already, so one does not have to buy Jaws again. For those who don't have a Jaws license, it will be more expensive, I don't know the price of the bundle for the unit, Focus 40 Five and Jaws. In my case, if I purchase the ElBraille 5, I only need the unit as I already have Jaws and the Focus 5 display. Hope this helps.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?

ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:



Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn


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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Richard Turner
 

OK, could someone who knows far more than I explain what the point is with this new device from FS?
 
ElBraille 40 V combines the flexibility of a modern mainstream computer running the Windows® 10 operating system with JAWS® and a 40-cell Braille display with a full Braille keyboard to offer a fully accessible compact solution. (JAWS and Braille display sold separately.

I copied the above from their web site. What is the point if you have to buy the Focus 40 blue and Jaws separately?
)




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:21 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegler01@...> wrote:

Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month.  Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days.  In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast.  I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything.  I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September.  The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





   On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
   
   

   
   I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
   Thanks for asking.
   Best regards
   Michael  Munn
   

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   On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms@... <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:
   

       It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
       > On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
       >
       > Hi,
       > Thank you both for the info.
       > Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
       > This is what I do currently.
       > I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
       >
       > Thanks,
       > Jessica
       >> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
       >>
       >> Hi,
       >> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
       >> Thanks
       >>
       >>
       >> -----Original Message-----
       >> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>  <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
       >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
       >> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
       >> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
       >>
       >> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
       >> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
       >> It is a little expensive though.
       >>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
       >>>
       >>> Hi,
       >>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
       >>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
       >>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
       >>>
       >>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
       >>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
       >>>
       >>> Thanks,
       >>>
       >>> Jessica
       >>>
       >>>
       >>>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >>
       >
       >
       >
       
       
       
       







moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Les Kriegler
 

Hi Jessica,

If you check FS's site, you'll see that shipping is scheduled for this month. Back in October, the unit was supposed to be out in a matter of days. In November, the same statement was made on the FS OpenLine podcast. I have no idea as to what the issues are, as nobody has publicly indicated anything. I heard there was a parts issue, but that was supposed to have been resolved last September. The Focus 40 5 is definitely not out.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays.
Are there production delays?
Is the elbraille 5th generation out?
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November."
Thanks,
Jessica





On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:




I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards
Michael Munn


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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io <mailto:gmail.com@groups.io> > wrote:


It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@... <mailto:tcwood12@...> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@... <mailto:jldail13@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Michael Munn
 

I recently purchased a new computer for my self and The model is an HP NVX360 convertible  running the latest I7 processor with the 8GB of Ram and 256 GB of SSD.I would recommend a PC with SSD instead of HDD. This is just my opinion.
Best Regards 
Michael Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:32 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Ryzen’s are definitely climbing up there in terms of performance. There is a new Ryzen 4th generation laptop processor that is being shown off at some point in the coming days at CES so if you can put off buying a machine until then, you’ll see some great engineering.

There are a few apps that make mobile browsing nice, but by and large navigation on the web is inefficient compared with a pc if we’re talking Safari vs. Chrome or firefox. But not even that – general productivity is worse off for a few things – especially if you’re having to navigate between apps, or if an app like zoom is running and in a call and you can’t listen to an audio clip because of the iPhone’s silly restrictions. Of course – that’s apple. Android has more ability and openness to do these things but comes with its own set of issues. Still though. Mobile has truly come a long way – something I will always miss, though, are Nokia phones. Remember when the mobile version of youtube would load in seconds on a phone from 2008?

There are some super nifty looking machines out now – the GPD Micro and pocket are little powerhouses that have 6 and 7 inch screens, respectively. Not that that is what you’re looking for in particular, but it’s an all in one device complete with a keyboard – it’s hard to beat, and is even pocket sized, mostly. Hopefully one day we get Windows 10 on a device of that size that is affordable and also can make and receive phone calls. We’ve almost got it on Android with the Windows 10 your phone app. I can be on the other end of the house from my phone and be texting as though it was right in front of me. Who needs a $1500 Macbook pro? It apparently will be able to make and receive phone calls, too, and it can also see all of your phone notifications on the pc with the ability to customize what apps are allowed to cast them over.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

It could be that the websites you use just don't work all that well on a phone. 

 for what I do mobile, searching for information, and reading a few select websites, my iphone does it all. Many big websites also have apps, and for things like CNBC and Bloomberg, the apps are more accessible than using the websites even on a pc. 

 

If I really want to dig into something, I prefer a real keyboard, and most laptops don't do it for me without an external keyboard.  I am currently using a gaming desktop.  It is complete overkill, but when I switched from my old desktop with a 4th- gen i5 to this Ryzen 7 3700, I definitely noticed the difference.  Everything just responded faster.  You can keep an older system going a long time by putting an ssd in it, and I'd recommend that before replacing a perfectly functioning computer made within the last 6-7 years, but once things get weird, you can't beat getting something powerful that you won't have to worry about hopefully for a long time.

 

 

On 1/7/2020 14:17, Jim Rawls wrote:

I agree with you on all points here. I am not a fan of my IPhone, and always like surfing on my current laptop. I am not a good user of the IPhone. I prefer a windows computer over anything apple has to offer. That’s just me, and if someone likes their mac better, good for them. I’m going out this afternoon to see what I see. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Earlier, someone mentioned delays. 
Are there production delays? 
Is the elbraille 5th generation out? 
I keep checking the fs website, but last I saw, it said, "shippingin November." 
Thanks,
Jessica 
  


On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:


I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards 
Michael  Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

I don't know whether you can connect the entire note taker and  use it as a Braille display, but you can detach the Braille display and use the braille  in conjunction with your iPhone.
Thanks for asking.
Best regards 
Michael  Munn 

JAWS Certified, 2019

Member: Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia 

www.nfbv.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind 

www.hadley.edu



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:44 PM Michael Munn via Groups.Io <michaelrbms=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thank you both for the info.
> Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
> This is what I do currently.
> I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?
>>
>> The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
>> Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
>> It is a little expensive though.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
>>> However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
>>> If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
>>> I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

Unfortunately, there is no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  Hacking the registry to produce logoff or shutdown sounds is a bad idea, no matter what the other "experts" on this list may tell you to the contrary.  The bottom line is that hacking the registry can often produce unwanted or unpredictable results.  If you want to be sure that your computer has completely powered off after you initiate a shutdown, I suggest purchasing a small USB-powered cooling fan and connecting it to a front or rear panel USB port. When the computer powers off, the fan will stop spinning.  Simple as that.


Gerald

On 1/8/2020 1:40 AM, Shankar C wrote:
Hi bill, hope things are well at you.
I am using windows 10 1903 with jaws 2020 on my dell laptop.
I have downloaded the Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks folder and
extracted, and added them in the windows Registry.
and on the sound events, I also checked the check box which says play sounds.
now, I can able to eare only logon sounds.
I am unable to eare the sounds for other events such as logoff,
shutdown, and restart.

I kindly request you to help me on this.






On 8/3/18, Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...> wrote:
I was able to get windows log on and off to show in the registry but exit is
still not showing.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!                                ***

From: Tom
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Thanks Bill.

Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Yes, it works.

“System Exit” is the event associated with shutdown.

“Windows logoff” is associated with signing off to log on as a different
user.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi Bill,
I downloaded the file containing the scripts you mentioned and unzipped it.
The unzip procedure creates three folders each containing 2 files.

What is the difference between “System Exit” and Windows logoff”?

Have you tried this technique and did it work?

Thanks
Tom


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 7:19 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Logon, logoff and shutdown sound for Windows 10

Hi. I tried to send this message to the JAWS list before, but it hasn't
shown up in the last 27 minutes, so I am sending it again, in hopes that it
will
get through this time.

In case someone cannot find this page on Ehow, I am including the link below
that will download the zip file containing the registry edit scripts that
will return the logon, logoff and system exit events back to the Sound
settings without having to manually edit the registry.

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Shutdown-Logoff-Logon-Sound-Hacks.zip

Bill White
billwhite92701@...







moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Les Kriegler
 

Hi,

Because of the significant delays in release, even though ViSpero says it will be out any day, it raises questions as to what the issues are with the delay.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica