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moderated website design and application hotkeys

William Windels
 

hello,
for the jira application, i should know how websites/webapplications can exclude conflicted hotkeys so that the application hotkeys work by default in stead off the screenreader hotkeys.

thx in advance
kind regards, william windels

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Tyler Wood
 

Ryzen’s are definitely climbing up there in terms of performance. There is a new Ryzen 4th generation laptop processor that is being shown off at some point in the coming days at CES so if you can put off buying a machine until then, you’ll see some great engineering.

There are a few apps that make mobile browsing nice, but by and large navigation on the web is inefficient compared with a pc if we’re talking Safari vs. Chrome or firefox. But not even that – general productivity is worse off for a few things – especially if you’re having to navigate between apps, or if an app like zoom is running and in a call and you can’t listen to an audio clip because of the iPhone’s silly restrictions. Of course – that’s apple. Android has more ability and openness to do these things but comes with its own set of issues. Still though. Mobile has truly come a long way – something I will always miss, though, are Nokia phones. Remember when the mobile version of youtube would load in seconds on a phone from 2008?

There are some super nifty looking machines out now – the GPD Micro and pocket are little powerhouses that have 6 and 7 inch screens, respectively. Not that that is what you’re looking for in particular, but it’s an all in one device complete with a keyboard – it’s hard to beat, and is even pocket sized, mostly. Hopefully one day we get Windows 10 on a device of that size that is affordable and also can make and receive phone calls. We’ve almost got it on Android with the Windows 10 your phone app. I can be on the other end of the house from my phone and be texting as though it was right in front of me. Who needs a $1500 Macbook pro? It apparently will be able to make and receive phone calls, too, and it can also see all of your phone notifications on the pc with the ability to customize what apps are allowed to cast them over.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

It could be that the websites you use just don't work all that well on a phone. 

 for what I do mobile, searching for information, and reading a few select websites, my iphone does it all. Many big websites also have apps, and for things like CNBC and Bloomberg, the apps are more accessible than using the websites even on a pc. 

 

If I really want to dig into something, I prefer a real keyboard, and most laptops don't do it for me without an external keyboard.  I am currently using a gaming desktop.  It is complete overkill, but when I switched from my old desktop with a 4th- gen i5 to this Ryzen 7 3700, I definitely noticed the difference.  Everything just responded faster.  You can keep an older system going a long time by putting an ssd in it, and I'd recommend that before replacing a perfectly functioning computer made within the last 6-7 years, but once things get weird, you can't beat getting something powerful that you won't have to worry about hopefully for a long time.

 

 

On 1/7/2020 14:17, Jim Rawls wrote:

I agree with you on all points here. I am not a fan of my IPhone, and always like surfing on my current laptop. I am not a good user of the IPhone. I prefer a windows computer over anything apple has to offer. That’s just me, and if someone likes their mac better, good for them. I’m going out this afternoon to see what I see. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: how do i do a jaws repair?

NFB Lab 4
 

Hi Jim,
I had a student that had that issue even after doing a repair multiple times. If you’re still having trouble, let us know and I will walk you through the steps on how to fix it.


On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



Hi all, I am getting a message, every time  I boot up my computer, which says, jaws display drive is  not installed properly. Do a repair of jaws. So how do I do that? Jim

moderated how do I do a jaws repair?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all, I am getting a message when I boot up my computer that the display driver for jaws did not install properly. Doa repair of jaws. So how do I do that? I am using jaws 2020 and a windows gen computer. Jim

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Kelly Pierce
 

You do not need a built-in optical drive on a laptop. Just plug it in.
similar to a keyboard.

I recommend an i7 computer to compensate for the slight drag on
performance JAWS has on computers. Generally, people are pleased with
super duper speedy computers rather than mediocre ones.

Kelly

On 1/7/20, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
It could be that the websites you use just don't work all that well on a
phone.

 for what I do mobile, searching for information, and reading a few
select websites, my iphone does it all. Many big websites also have
apps, and for things like CNBC and Bloomberg, the apps are more
accessible than using the websites even on a pc.


If I really want to dig into something, I prefer a real keyboard, and
most laptops don't do it for me without an external keyboard. I am
currently using a gaming desktop.  It is complete overkill, but when I
switched from my old desktop with a 4th- gen i5 to this Ryzen 7 3700, I
definitely noticed the difference.  Everything just responded faster.
You can keep an older system going a long time by putting an ssd in it,
and I'd recommend that before replacing a perfectly functioning computer
made within the last 6-7 years, but once things get weird, you can't
beat getting something powerful that you won't have to worry about
hopefully for a long time.



On 1/7/2020 14:17, Jim Rawls wrote:

I agree with you on all points here. I am not a fan of my IPhone, and
always like surfing on my current laptop. I am not a good user of the
IPhone. I prefer a windows computer over anything apple has to offer.
That’s just me, and if someone likes their mac better, good for them.
I’m going out this afternoon to see what I see. Jim

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Tyler Wood
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything
on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been
used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB
dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t
actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a
pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be
missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically
inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump
by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker
on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t
get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get
interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio
streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an
applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things
like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck
performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout
of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design
where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the
various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there
were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still
has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep
hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is
not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from
2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going
today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state
drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3^rd generation core
i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office
environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you
any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at
most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are
coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant
to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any
day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the
wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer
is hard to beat.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris Hill
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the
portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation,
and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each
one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves
constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may
be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer
scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around
something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things
like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on
whatever you plan on buying.

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things
like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have
no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming
keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the
best $60 I have spent in a long time.

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you
do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house
then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more
difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or
wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the
Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect
it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external
speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do
have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade
shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but
at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a >
Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I >
can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a
laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home,
those are my preference at my business because they > are small,
virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you
want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a
512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the
Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800
G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by
now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the
latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and
it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > >
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* >
main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>



moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Can I pair it to my iphone, for use as a braille display?
Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:

It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
Thank you both for the info.
Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
This is what I do currently.
I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Hi,
I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica









moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

It is a Windows 10 computer being compacted in to a small box. You can do anything that used to do on a Windows 10 computer to ElBraille 40. Note Taker.

On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
Thank you both for the info.
Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
This is what I do currently.
I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.

Thanks,
Jessica
On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica








moderated Re: how do i do a jaws repair?

Mike B
 

Hi Jim,
 
What version of Jaws do you have installed?  Let me know the exact version & build and I'll send you a download link for your version / build.  After you get the installer downloaded, highlight the installer and press enter.  A dialogue will come up and you either arrow or tab to the, Repair button, and press enter.  The repair will start and should only take a minute or 3.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 5:42 PM
Subject: how do i do a jaws repair?

Hi all, I am getting a message, every time  I boot up my computer, which says, jaws display drive is  not installed properly. Do a repair of jaws. So how do I do that? Jim

moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Thank you both for the info.
Can you use your microsoft account password, as your login password?
This is what I do currently.
I'm on the home annual license, and have activated 1 of my allowed 3 computers.

Thanks,
Jessica

On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica







moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
I have the Elbraille 14 and it is very well made. It is not the 40, but it is also detachable.
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Elbraille 40?

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica


moderated Re: Elbraille 40?

Michael Munn
 

The El Braille 40 5 Generation is a very well made piece. I I have the opportunity to play with it during NFB Convention last year in Las Vegas NV and the size is a little big. That is the cons of the unit. The Pro of the El Braille 40 5th generation is that you can get a braille display along with 2 activation of Jaws. Unlike ElBraille 40 4th Generation, the El Braille display 5th generation is detachable from the docking Station. A user can take the Braille display with them.
Overall, This is a device that worth buying.
It is a little expensive though.

On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

Hi,
I currently have a Braillenote touch+ from HumanWare.
However, due to battery and other issues, I had to send it in for repair.
If they can’t fix it, I’m considering purchasing an ElBraille 40.

Does anyone on here have experience with these devices?
I tired to connect my braillenote to my computer for use with jaws, but it failed.

Thanks,

Jessica


moderated Re: how do i do a jaws repair?

Jessica D
 

Hi,
1. go to your downloads folder, and find the installer.
2. press enter to open it, and tab until jaws says, "repair" 
next, press enter and let the process, which shouldn't take long, complete itself. 

Thanks,
Jessica
  


On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:



Hi all, I am getting a message, every time  I boot up my computer, which says, jaws display drive is  not installed properly. Do a repair of jaws. So how do I do that? Jim

moderated how do i do a jaws repair?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all, I am getting a message, every time  I boot up my computer, which says, jaws display drive is  not installed properly. Do a repair of jaws. So how do I do that? Jim

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Chris Hill
 

It could be that the websites you use just don't work all that well on a phone. 

 for what I do mobile, searching for information, and reading a few select websites, my iphone does it all. Many big websites also have apps, and for things like CNBC and Bloomberg, the apps are more accessible than using the websites even on a pc. 


If I really want to dig into something, I prefer a real keyboard, and most laptops don't do it for me without an external keyboard.  I am currently using a gaming desktop.  It is complete overkill, but when I switched from my old desktop with a 4th- gen i5 to this Ryzen 7 3700, I definitely noticed the difference.  Everything just responded faster.  You can keep an older system going a long time by putting an ssd in it, and I'd recommend that before replacing a perfectly functioning computer made within the last 6-7 years, but once things get weird, you can't beat getting something powerful that you won't have to worry about hopefully for a long time.



On 1/7/2020 14:17, Jim Rawls wrote:

I agree with you on all points here. I am not a fan of my IPhone, and always like surfing on my current laptop. I am not a good user of the IPhone. I prefer a windows computer over anything apple has to offer. That’s just me, and if someone likes their mac better, good for them. I’m going out this afternoon to see what I see. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Jim Rawls
 

I agree with you on all points here. I am not a fan of my IPhone, and always like surfing on my current laptop. I am not a good user of the IPhone. I prefer a windows computer over anything apple has to offer. That’s just me, and if someone likes their mac better, good for them. I’m going out this afternoon to see what I see. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: latest Jaws and emails reading as tables

Cohn, Jonathan
 

First off verify that you have "layout" tables ignored  in your JAWS quick settings.  Also, there is aa Outlook function to "View in Browser", this used to be in the ribbon, but it seems to be hidden these days, and if activated warns you that the Browser is has a different security configuration from Outlook. You can add it into the Quick Access Bar if you think it would be useful.

Hopefully one of these will help,
Jonathan
 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Jim Rawls
 

You have some good points here. I am going out this afternoon to see what I find out. I wouldn’t ever get a laptop without checking out the keyboard first. Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

Very much this. I’d also recommend physically looking at laptop keyboard layouts if you can before buying. I refuse to buy a laptop if I don’t like the layout of its keyboard – having to plug in or connect an external keyboard when out and about especially seems extremely counter intuitive to me when I want portability. Where to put the laptop and where to put my full sized keyboard when I want to actually use it and only have my lap to place it on?

This is just me personally, though – do what works for you – but having a mini desktop computer and a laptop is a fantastic idea, especially if you can just unplug the things you want from the desktop, like headsets or keyboards, and take them with you, even if it’s to another part of the house, for use on the laptop.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Tyler Wood
 

Very much this. I’d also recommend physically looking at laptop keyboard layouts if you can before buying. I refuse to buy a laptop if I don’t like the layout of its keyboard – having to plug in or connect an external keyboard when out and about especially seems extremely counter intuitive to me when I want portability. Where to put the laptop and where to put my full sized keyboard when I want to actually use it and only have my lap to place it on?

This is just me personally, though – do what works for you – but having a mini desktop computer and a laptop is a fantastic idea, especially if you can just unplug the things you want from the desktop, like headsets or keyboards, and take them with you, even if it’s to another part of the house, for use on the laptop.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then a laptop is probably a better choice.

It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just connect it.

The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset.

I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I can go most places in my house with them.

If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more.

I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, both sixth generation,  and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an 8th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

One thing you might not have considered is that many laptops no longer have a separate key for the applications (the thing sighted people think of as the right click menu).  Some have a key combination with the fn key and right control key to do the same thing.  Most laptop keyboards are awkward for anyone with other than small hands, and key separation ranges from okay to horrible.  I really suggest buying locally if at all possible, a laptop that may be fine for one person might annoy someone else.  If you can get by without portability, get a desktop, then you can plug in a real keyboard and good speakers more easily.

 

 

On 1/6/2020 21:40, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all,

It’s new computer time, and here is what I want on the computer.

1.       A numeric key pad with decent separation between it, and the rest of the keyboard.

2.       An optical disk drive.

3.       At least an intel core 5 processor,

4.       Head phone jack, and I guess these days it’s a combo jack with microphone.

5.       Decent battery life.

6.       And anything else you might recommend. And any thoughts will be appreciated.

7.       Jim

 

moderated Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

In all fairness, when was the last time you actually bought anything on a disk? I have blank dvds from 7 years ago that still haven’t been used up. Unless you watch movies – and in that case, a portable USB dvd drive would be perfect, and cost $10. That way, when you don’t actually use it, you’re not carrying that extra half a pound to a pound constantly.

Phones can’t do everything – if I had to use my phone every day I’d be missing out on tons. Browsing the web on an iPhone is horrifically inefficient – having to use the rotor to find the item I want to jump by, then actually trying to jump by that item, is done so much quicker on any modern laptop or desktop computer with a single keypress. Don’t get me started on apples horrible audio streams and how audio can get interrupted by the smallest thing in 2020 or how multiple audio streams still can’t be a thing. My Lenovo, luckily, still has an applications key, but I’ve noticed more and more that certain things like websites are requiring simulated clicks of the mouse (good luck performing that on any mobile device, too). I really like the layout of the function keys on this machine too – I hate this new design where they are all laid out together with no spacing to separate the various groups.

I don’t think there are any less USB ports on computers than there were 4 years ago – unless you get one with all USB C ports. Mine still has 2 USB A ports along with 2 USB C. I have a USB hub which I keep hard drives and things plugged into, but it’s just a 3 port one and is not externally powered and I rarely use all 3 ports. My Toshiba from 2013 had 3 USB A ports with only one being 3.0 and it is still going today. Despite what many people claim, older machines with solid state drives are still perfectly useable – this has a 3rd generation core i5 that still speedily does everything one could ask in an office environment, so the huge core i7’s are certainly not going to get you any further ahead. In ultra low voltage scenarios, they’re only at most 10% faster than their i5 counterparts. The core i9’s that are coming out now are, in some cases, slower than the i7’s they’re meant to beat. Intel is really dropping the ball the last year.

Still, when crunch time comes, I’ll take a computer over a phone any day of the week, any time. A phone is nice to quickly, forgive the wording, but glance at – but when I want to get work done, a computer is hard to beat.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: It's new computer time and I am looking for advice.

 

I used to use a laptop a lot, but with the advent of an iphone, the portability isn't of much use to me anymore.  I take mine on vacation, and that's about it.  Having fewer usb ports on a laptop means each one is going to end up getting more wear.  If one finds themselves constantly plugging and unplugging multiple devices, a cheap hub may be in order.  I think people have defaulted to the laptop as computer scenario, even though phones have made moving a computer around something that may be a lot less necessary than it used to  be.

 

Sad thing is that even some modern desktops don't come with things like built-in dvd drives.  You really have to check the specs on whatever you plan on buying.

 

Keyboards have become more and more of an issue.  Not only are things like the application keys going away, but many desktop keyboards have no key spacing and are horrible.  I bought one of the gaming keyboards, it has all the keys, is supposedly spill proof, and was the best $60 I have spent in a long time.

 

 

 

On 1/7/2020 09:35, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> > A lot of people don’t ever take their laptop anywhere, but if you do > or even just like to bring it to different places in your house then > a laptop is probably a better choice. > > It’s no more difficult or hard to plug an external keyboard whether > wired or wireless into a laptop and if you use a Bluetooth one like > the Logitech K780 then you don’t even have to plug it in, just > connect it. > > The same goes for speakers, you can easily plug in external speakers > or, once again, you could use a Bluetooth headset. > > I do have a laptop at home because I do occasionally bring it to > trade shows I attend or when I go on holidays for longer than a week, > but at home it almost always sits in my office plugged in and I use a > Logitech K780 and a Logitech H800 headset, both are Bluetooth and I > can go most places in my house with them. > > If I didn’t want a laptop from time to time I could easily have a > mini PC at home, those are my preference at my business because they > are small, virtually silent and they do all I need them to do. Of > course if you want a higher performance one with an I7 CPU, 16Gb of > RAM and a 512Gb SSD they may cost a bit more. > > I used to have a few of the Intel NUC mini PC’s, but a few years ago > bought two HP EliteDesk 800 G2, one with an I5 and one an I7 CPU, > both sixth generation, and by now I only have 1 Intel NUC left, the > other 3 are all HP with the latest being the EliteDesk 800G4 with an > 8^th generation I7 CPU and it’s a great little PC. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris > Hill *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:24 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io

moderated Re: What does "on top" window mean?

JM Casey
 

Hey guys.

 

I believe “on top” means just what it implies – when a window is “on top”, it means it appears “onn top” of other windows and windows will not pop open “over top” of it. This is mostly a visual thing I guess; good if you are working and don’t want to be distracted by other stuff. As far as I know, it’s not the same as “full screen”.

 

Anyway, any programmes that run in background or aren’t needed should be minimisable to the system tray or even just sit on the taskbar and not actually have an active window. Antivirus programmes definitely should not be so obtrusive. See if you can look into tweaking some settings; if this is at work, you can probably ask the service desk for help if you have one and don’t feel like messing around with whatever they installed on your machine.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: January 7, 2020 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What does "on top" window mean?

 

Good question. I‘ve wondered this, too.  In my current list, I have three programs showing as “on top”.  Each of these is one I do not launch, but are auto-launched by my company or my laptop.  I actually wish that I could have a checkbox that allowed me to hide these from the list view.  If I use this function to move between programs, it just feels like clutter to have our antivirus and other programs in the list.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:29 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What does "on top" window mean?

 

Hi!

 

If I press JAWSKey+F10, I get a list of all open windows.  Sometimes, it indicates that a particular window is “on top.”  And, this dialogue has a checkbox to show only windows that are “on top.”  So, what does it mean that a window is “on top?”

 

Thanks,

Richard



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