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moderated Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

Rod
 

I have stopped using FSReader. I can guarantee you that if they try to use it with any books downloaded from Bookshare, it’ll crash. That has always been my experience. or, it might hang for an unreasonable amount of time while trying to open the book.
 
 
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 

From: Norma A. Boge
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 11:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing
 

Yes. Even though I thoroughly explain the issue, they thought it is just with one book so wanted me to send them the book.I’m still trying to get through to them that it’s FS Reader that has the problem, not a particular book. I’m going to try to find some time in my work day to call them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Have you made a complaint to FS?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Sent: 24 November 2019 22:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Regarding QRead, can anyone explain what the difference is between demo and paid ($30) mode?

And now for an editorial comment:

FS Reader worked very well for me for years. Now it is problematic. IMHO another FS product which is basic but instead we get bells and whistles. Terrific.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

QRead is a good little program that really doesn’t need much if any support to it to keep working at this point.

It would of course be nice for it to get more updates and features, but as is, it does a solid job with ePub and other formats. PDF too.

I stopped using FSReader since QRead can handle not only Daisy, but all sorts of other formatted books as well.

I simply run the portable version of QRead from my Google Drive folder and thus am able to have synchronicity for all bookmarks and reading positions across my laptop/desktops where I’m signed in.

I know Kindle for PC has supposedly gotten a lot better with Jaws, but I’m reluctant to lock myself into the Kindle format/eco system as not every book I wish to read I can find in Kindle format and in general, again, don’t want to get more tied into Amazon stuff for every single service.

In general though, it would be great to have an eBook reading program that can also support things like notes, highlighting, footnotes with screen readers etc.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 4:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

 

Yes you are definitely right, QRead along with his other products has terrible support. Having said that QRead has been my eBook reader for years now and hopefully will continue to be so despite the fact that development seems to have ended. I also find QCast from the same stable works well on my system for the time being. They are the best of a limited range available for us I think.

 

Chicken Nugget has bit the dust and QFeed has also stopped working for me.

I think he is a talented programmer but has dreadful commitment to updating his software.

We are disadvantaged that the market eBook leader, Calibre, persists doggedly with a reading interface inaccessible  to Screen Readers.

 

On the other hand When I think about it at least 50% of the  other programs I regularly used were stopped from developing years ago, I use older versions of many programs but touch wood are still going strong. For example CDex 1.71,  Mp3DirectCut and Mp3Gain. I think some people  are still using WinAmp even though it stopped development years ago. I hope that QRead will be in the same category.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 23 November 2019 23:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Hi David,

 

Well, you are probably right about QRead and heading levels.  But, I did not find footnotes and internal hyperlinks accessible with it.  Mostly, these limitations apply to DAISY books.  However, the biggest problem with QRead is that it seems to have been abandoned and no longer supported.  Several months ago, an email I sent to them was never answered.  Others have likewise reported that it is no longer supported.

 

Bye,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

I am sorry you have problems with  FS Reader but have heard other similarly complaining.  It does not sound like it is fit for purpose with eBooks.

 

I have never used FS Reader for eBooks- it certainly cannot cope with any of the  ePub books  I have just tried it with. I don’t have access to any text based Daisy Books to test it with. Where  do you get these from??

 

I am however, slightly confused by you saying QRead cannot handle heading levels.

I have just checked again with some ePub books, and provided the books have a heading structure these are easily accessed in QRead as normal by pressing control H which brings up the list of heading and allows you to navigate to them.

 

Balabolka is a free TTS based eBook reader which has a radically different interface and learning curve. You can however also access headings in this, as from memory Balabolka  creates  automatic bookmarks of each heading which you access with the, from memory F2 key but I would have to go back and check this.

 

With any web links in eBooks I always copy these out anyway but I suspect you are talking about internal links?

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 23 November 2019 22:27
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019, fully updated.  I have a laptop running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit, and a desktop running Windows 10 Pro 64 bit - both fully updated.

 

When running FS Reader 3 on either computer, if I press JAWSKey+DownArrow to “say all,” JAWS crashes, then restarts and then FS Reader freezes.  On the laptop with Windows 7, most often FS Reader and JAWS both crash after starting FS Reader and then trying to open a book.  Even if by some chance FS Reader opens the book on the laptop, it then crashes as previously described.

 

I have tried two different readers - Bookworm and QRead.  Neither seems good.  For example, neither seems to be able to read hyperlinked footnotes nor handle heading levels nor internal links - as does FS Reader (when working).  Primarily, this is all with DAISY eBooks; although I have also tried ePub and other formats all with the same problems.

 

So, does anyone have any recommendations for another DAISY reader?  Or, does anyone have any solution to these problems with FS Reader?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

moderated Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

Mike B
 

Did you try turning off the Virtual Ribbons to see if the menues / ribbons would show?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

Yes, the screen is maximized.  But, the problem remains.  Also, I tested this in other MS Office applications like MS Word 2016 and they also have this same problem with the ribbons.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

 

Is the screen maximized?  Windows key + up arrow will maximize or, hold down the, Alt key, then press the, spacebar, to open the system menu, let up on both keys, and up arrow to, maximize, and press enter.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 11:58 AM

Subject: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 under Windows 7.  For no apparent reason, today when I starting using Outlook the virtual ribbons are not working properly.  I have confirmed that “use virtual ribbons” is checked in my JAWS settings.  Until now, they were working normally.  Now, when I press the “Alt” key to activate the ribbon, it just says “blank.”  Does anyone know what might be wrong?

 

Thanks,

Richard

moderated Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

Richard B. McDonald
 

Yes, the screen is maximized.  But, the problem remains.  Also, I tested this in other MS Office applications like MS Word 2016 and they also have this same problem with the ribbons.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 5:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

 

Is the screen maximized?  Windows key + up arrow will maximize or, hold down the, Alt key, then press the, spacebar, to open the system menu, let up on both keys, and up arrow to, maximize, and press enter.


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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 11:58 AM

Subject: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 under Windows 7.  For no apparent reason, today when I starting using Outlook the virtual ribbons are not working properly.  I have confirmed that “use virtual ribbons” is checked in my JAWS settings.  Until now, they were working normally.  Now, when I press the “Alt” key to activate the ribbon, it just says “blank.”  Does anyone know what might be wrong?

 

Thanks,

Richard

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Tom Behler
 

Steven:

 

As you’ll probably see, I did end up getting the Logitec K780 keyboard, and love it!

 

I did install the Logitec Options software, and have checked the box that asks the keyboard to treat the function keys as standard windows function keys.

 

So far, I really like the keyboard, and am very glad I made the purchase.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

I Am using a Logitek keyboard as we speak, I think that it is a K780 but I can check if you like.

It is Bluetooth and will connect with any Bluetooth machine e.g. it is running with my laptop that has built in Bluetooth.

You have to pair it but that is quite simple, it just flashes a code when you add the device which you only need to type in once.

This one is a full keyboard, it has the number pad and is PC focused.

It runs on two triple a batteries, I have had mind for about a year, I don’t use it very often but it is still on the same batteries.

As far as I am aware, it won’t actually charge the batteries but you could use rechargeable ones and charge them outside of the keyboard.

It has round keys which is a bit different but it is quite easy to get used to.

I Love the feel of it, it is great!

One thing I really do love is that it can pair with three devices, f1, f2 and f3 will switch between the paired devices once they have been set up initially.

The only thing I am not so fond of is the function keys have to be pressed with FN first if you want their standard function e.g. fn+f1 for example gives the standard f1 which is help most of the time.

You can install the Logitek options software which will allow you to change this default action but that is a bit fiddly, I am sure you could get someone to help and as far as I am aware, this is the only way to change the default function key action, I would love to find another way.

 

I Hope that this helps in some way!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 30 November 2019 17:00
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler



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moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
 

Absolutely, if you want a smaller one, it is the Logitek K380 I think, basically the same keyboard without the number pad and it will still pair three devices.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 03 December 2019 17:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

Glenn:

 

I’m not at home now where the keyboard is, but it’s close to a regular-sized computer keyboard.

 

It also has an extra ledge on the back to accommodate an IPhone or Ipad so that a person can see the screen if needed.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

Tom,

Thanks for the update.

What are the dimensions of the keyboard?

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 5:41 AM

Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

Glenn:

 

With some effort, I actually was able to get the function keys to work the way I want them to.

 

I had to go into the Logitec Options software that I installed when I activated the keyboard and check a box that said something like use the standard function keys.

 

Once I did this, I was fine.

 

The Windows function keys now work normally as they should.

 

If I want to do something like switch to another device, raise or lower the volume level, etc.,  I simply have to hold down the FN key on the keyboard and then use the function key I need for what I want to do.

 

So, all is well now.

 

By the way, I really love the Logitech K780!

 

I wish I had bought one years ago, and at yesterday’s price of $39 US, it was an excellent bargain.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 9:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitec K780 Question

 

Hi Tom,

Do the F-keys work on the laptop as you would like, or do you have to press the FN key on that as well?

The reason I ask is that the keyboard should only do what your computer would do.

You may have to disable this in the BIOS of that computer.

HTH.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 7:57 PM

Subject: Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, Everyone.

 

I originally wanted to write off list to Sieghard, but can’t seem to retrieve his personal address from the below e-mail, so I’ll certainly welcome anyone’s response.

 

I have successfully paired my Logitec K780 keyboard with my new Windows 10 laptop via bluetooth, and also have paired it wirelessly with my older Windows 7 computer via the dongle that was provided with the keyboard.

 

To those of you who have Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboards, I have a question, though:

 

As we know, the function keys on the top of the Logitec K780 are used for many different functions, including selecting the devices to which the keyboard is paired, controling the volume level, etc.

 

The only way I can convert those function keys to the standard Windows function keys (F1 through F12) is to hold down the FN key on the lower lefthand corner of the keyboard.  This can become rather awkward when, for example, closing a Word document with Control F4 or closing an app with Alt F4.

 

We installed the logitec options software, but that has not solved this issue.

 

Is there any way to lock in the function keys so they remain the standard windows function keys, so I don’t have to press the FN key whenever I want to do something involving those standard Windows function keys? I can do this on my Windows 10 PC by toggling them on or off via the FN and escape keys.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 



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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
 

It will switch with one key press of f1, f2 or f3 once it is paired with the relevant device, you don’t need the software to do this.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 December 2019 10:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler



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moderated Re: Logitec K780 Question

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
 

As far as I am aware, the Options software is the only way to do this.

There should be a tick box for the function keys once you have installed it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 03 December 2019 01:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, Everyone.

 

I originally wanted to write off list to Sieghard, but can’t seem to retrieve his personal address from the below e-mail, so I’ll certainly welcome anyone’s response.

 

I have successfully paired my Logitec K780 keyboard with my new Windows 10 laptop via bluetooth, and also have paired it wirelessly with my older Windows 7 computer via the dongle that was provided with the keyboard.

 

To those of you who have Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboards, I have a question, though:

 

As we know, the function keys on the top of the Logitec K780 are used for many different functions, including selecting the devices to which the keyboard is paired, controling the volume level, etc.

 

The only way I can convert those function keys to the standard Windows function keys (F1 through F12) is to hold down the FN key on the lower lefthand corner of the keyboard.  This can become rather awkward when, for example, closing a Word document with Control F4 or closing an app with Alt F4.

 

We installed the logitec options software, but that has not solved this issue.

 

Is there any way to lock in the function keys so they remain the standard windows function keys, so I don’t have to press the FN key whenever I want to do something involving those standard Windows function keys? I can do this on my Windows 10 PC by toggling them on or off via the FN and escape keys.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 



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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
 

1.       The keyboard has oan off/off button on the righthand edge, near the back.

2.      It will go in to stand by if you are not using it, I always forget to turn mine off J

3.       If it is paired, you can just press a few keys and it will tell you if it is responding or not.

4.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 02 December 2019 18:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

What you have given me here has been very helpful, so thank you very much.

 

I actually just picked up a Logitec K780 and will try to get it set up later today.

 

I have two more questions if you don’t mind:

 

1.  Other than seeing if it works or not, how can you tell whether the keyboard is on or off?  I think there’s a light for sighted ppeople, but that obviously won’t work for me.

 

And

 

2.  What kind of indication to we get as to whether pairing actually has occurred?  Once again, I’m going to try to pair the keyboard with my Windows 7 PC, possibly my Windows 10 PC, and my Hims Polaris note-taker.  I also might eventually try pairing with my iPhone, but that is a secondary concern to me now.

 

If you have any other hints or tips to give me, please feel free.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

I guess it’s all about how you get used to things, I never use the home/end and Page Up/Down keys on the 6-pack since I find it more convenient to use them on the numeric pad, e.g. I press Numpad 7 or Control Numpad 7 if I want Home or Control + Home and Numpad 1 or Control Numpad 1 if I want End or Control + End. The same goes for Numpad 3 for Page Down and Numpad 9 for Page Up.

As for the application key Shift + F10 does the same as the Application Key, in fact, Shift + F10 gives you the so-called extended context menu which often has  more options than just pressing the application key.

Before I recently purchased mechanical keyboards at my store I had Logitech keyboard/mouse combos for years and none of them had an application key or a right Windows key and even now that I have them I have to make a conscious effort to use them again although I am starting to get more accustomed to it again.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Sieghard:

 

Thanks for all of this great information.

 

I now have two questions:

 

1.  If you don’t have the six-pack containing the home and end keys, how do you get to the top and bottom of a document on a Windows 7 or 10 computer, using Jaws?  I use the control home and control end commands to accomplish this.

 

2.  If you don’t have an applications key, how do you get to the context menus like we do with Jaws for many applications?  Can you use shift F10 for this purpose?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler



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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
 

Hi Tom,

 

I Am using a Logitek keyboard as we speak, I think that it is a K780 but I can check if you like.

It is Bluetooth and will connect with any Bluetooth machine e.g. it is running with my laptop that has built in Bluetooth.

You have to pair it but that is quite simple, it just flashes a code when you add the device which you only need to type in once.

This one is a full keyboard, it has the number pad and is PC focused.

It runs on two triple a batteries, I have had mind for about a year, I don’t use it very often but it is still on the same batteries.

As far as I am aware, it won’t actually charge the batteries but you could use rechargeable ones and charge them outside of the keyboard.

It has round keys which is a bit different but it is quite easy to get used to.

I Love the feel of it, it is great!

One thing I really do love is that it can pair with three devices, f1, f2 and f3 will switch between the paired devices once they have been set up initially.

The only thing I am not so fond of is the function keys have to be pressed with FN first if you want their standard function e.g. fn+f1 for example gives the standard f1 which is help most of the time.

You can install the Logitek options software which will allow you to change this default action but that is a bit fiddly, I am sure you could get someone to help and as far as I am aware, this is the only way to change the default function key action, I would love to find another way.

 

I Hope that this helps in some way!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 30 November 2019 17:00
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler



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moderated Re: Accessible CRM System

Van Lant, Robin
 

Zel,

Are you looking for one for your own business or are you looking for employment?   Salesforce is a popular CRM, but I don’t know that it’s something a small business owner buys or if it’s just for larger companies.  My corporate marketing department uses HubSpot for email campaigns and analytics and loves it.  I don’t’ have access to it, but might be able to get access to test it with JAWS.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Accessible CRM System

 

Hello again group!

 

Does anyone know of an accessible customer rlations management system? Apparently HubbSpot claims to be accessible, has anyone ever used it?

 

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

 

Cheers

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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Any sighted person should be able to install this in 30 seconds, actually it can be installed by a blind person at least with Jaws )I don’t use NVDA so can’t say), but you have to know your screenreader. Once the spoftware is installed and you check that checkbox you can forget about it, it runs in the background and that’s it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 3:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

that software and the need for sighted assistance put me off that keyboard particularly as the sighted person could not get past the initial setup screen.

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 09:03

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

No, works the same.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Thanks, Sieghard.

 

This is good to know, and will give me even more flexibility with the keyboard.

 

Am I correct in assuming that using the USB dongle will not cause the keyboard to function any differently than it would if I used a bluetooth connection?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 10:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Yes, that will work for sure, once the USB dongle is paired you can plug it into any computer or device and it will connect to the keyboard.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Richard:

 

I’ll give it a try when I get the chance here.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

That's what I'm thinking. I hope it works.

 

 

 

Richard

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On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Richard:

 

Let me see if I’m following you here.

 

Currently, I use the USB dongle for my older Windows 7 PC, which is unable to  pair with the keyboard via bluetooth.  That dongle is interfaced with button 1 on the Logitec.

 

So, are you saying that I could just take the dongle out of the USB port on the Win 7 machine, and transfer it to the Polaris, so that when I hit the first button on the keyboard, it connects with the polaris?

 

That’s a very interesting idea that I’ll have to try!

 

That way, I could use the remaining empty slot on the keyboard for a bluetooth connection to my iPhone 8.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I had an out-of-the-box thought this morning.

Does the Polaris have a usb port for a qwerty keyboard?

If so, try using the USB dongle on the Polaris.

That way you simply have to swap the dongle rather than dealing with the switches.

Let me know if that works.

 

 

 

Richard

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On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Thanks again, Sieghard.

 

I appreciate all of your help over the past day or two.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I think 3 devices is all you can do including the Dongle, i.e. you can do 3 Bluetooth devices or use the Dongle and then do 2 more devices via Bluetooth.

I have never found a separate button for the USB dongle, it is my understanding it is whichever of the easy switch keys you use.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I’m Sure Sieghard will answer, but I think you have answered your own question.

The dongle is using one of the 3 switches, so to pair with a 4th device, you would have to turn Bluetooth off on one device, pair the 4th device to its slot, and then you would have to be sure to turn Bluetooth off on the 4th device and back on the third device before being able to connect again.

 

The only reason I asked about the button for the dongle is that the Logitech H800 headpones have a switch with a Bluetooth position and a different position for the USB dongle, allowing easy switching between two devices.

 

Personally, while I know sometimes having a qwerty keyboard connected to a braille note taker is handy; I’d prioritize the iPhone over the Polaris.

But, that is just me.

 

The Logitech K780 sounds like a keyboard I should be recommending  to my clients.

 

 

Richard

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Right now, I have the dongle connection for the Windows 7 PC set on the first button—button 1.

 

If there is a separate button for the dongle connection, I would think it should be easy to switch to it, but am not sure.

 

Will wait to see what others suggest.

 

Thanks again, everyone.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Sieghard is obviously the authority on this, but if you have to use one of the switch keys f1, f2, or f3, to connect to the Windows 7 machine, then you are stuck with 3 devices only.

If there is a separate button for the Dongle connection, then you should be able to follow the standard Bluetooth pairing steps to connect to the 4th device with the remaining f key.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:15 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

Norma A. Boge
 

Yes. Even though I thoroughly explain the issue, they thought it is just with one book so wanted me to send them the book.I’m still trying to get through to them that it’s FS Reader that has the problem, not a particular book. I’m going to try to find some time in my work day to call them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 7:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Have you made a complaint to FS?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Sent: 24 November 2019 22:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Regarding QRead, can anyone explain what the difference is between demo and paid ($30) mode?

And now for an editorial comment:

FS Reader worked very well for me for years. Now it is problematic. IMHO another FS product which is basic but instead we get bells and whistles. Terrific.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 12:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

QRead is a good little program that really doesn’t need much if any support to it to keep working at this point.

It would of course be nice for it to get more updates and features, but as is, it does a solid job with ePub and other formats. PDF too.

I stopped using FSReader since QRead can handle not only Daisy, but all sorts of other formatted books as well.

I simply run the portable version of QRead from my Google Drive folder and thus am able to have synchronicity for all bookmarks and reading positions across my laptop/desktops where I’m signed in.

I know Kindle for PC has supposedly gotten a lot better with Jaws, but I’m reluctant to lock myself into the Kindle format/eco system as not every book I wish to read I can find in Kindle format and in general, again, don’t want to get more tied into Amazon stuff for every single service.

In general though, it would be great to have an eBook reading program that can also support things like notes, highlighting, footnotes with screen readers etc.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 4:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

 

Yes you are definitely right, QRead along with his other products has terrible support. Having said that QRead has been my eBook reader for years now and hopefully will continue to be so despite the fact that development seems to have ended. I also find QCast from the same stable works well on my system for the time being. They are the best of a limited range available for us I think.

 

Chicken Nugget has bit the dust and QFeed has also stopped working for me.

I think he is a talented programmer but has dreadful commitment to updating his software.

We are disadvantaged that the market eBook leader, Calibre, persists doggedly with a reading interface inaccessible  to Screen Readers.

 

On the other hand When I think about it at least 50% of the  other programs I regularly used were stopped from developing years ago, I use older versions of many programs but touch wood are still going strong. For example CDex 1.71,  Mp3DirectCut and Mp3Gain. I think some people  are still using WinAmp even though it stopped development years ago. I hope that QRead will be in the same category.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 23 November 2019 23:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Hi David,

 

Well, you are probably right about QRead and heading levels.  But, I did not find footnotes and internal hyperlinks accessible with it.  Mostly, these limitations apply to DAISY books.  However, the biggest problem with QRead is that it seems to have been abandoned and no longer supported.  Several months ago, an email I sent to them was never answered.  Others have likewise reported that it is no longer supported.

 

Bye,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

I am sorry you have problems with  FS Reader but have heard other similarly complaining.  It does not sound like it is fit for purpose with eBooks.

 

I have never used FS Reader for eBooks- it certainly cannot cope with any of the  ePub books  I have just tried it with. I don’t have access to any text based Daisy Books to test it with. Where  do you get these from??

 

I am however, slightly confused by you saying QRead cannot handle heading levels.

I have just checked again with some ePub books, and provided the books have a heading structure these are easily accessed in QRead as normal by pressing control H which brings up the list of heading and allows you to navigate to them.

 

Balabolka is a free TTS based eBook reader which has a radically different interface and learning curve. You can however also access headings in this, as from memory Balabolka  creates  automatic bookmarks of each heading which you access with the, from memory F2 key but I would have to go back and check this.

 

With any web links in eBooks I always copy these out anyway but I suspect you are talking about internal links?

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 23 November 2019 22:27
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FS Reader 3 Crashing

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019, fully updated.  I have a laptop running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit, and a desktop running Windows 10 Pro 64 bit - both fully updated.

 

When running FS Reader 3 on either computer, if I press JAWSKey+DownArrow to “say all,” JAWS crashes, then restarts and then FS Reader freezes.  On the laptop with Windows 7, most often FS Reader and JAWS both crash after starting FS Reader and then trying to open a book.  Even if by some chance FS Reader opens the book on the laptop, it then crashes as previously described.

 

I have tried two different readers - Bookworm and QRead.  Neither seems good.  For example, neither seems to be able to read hyperlinked footnotes nor handle heading levels nor internal links - as does FS Reader (when working).  Primarily, this is all with DAISY eBooks; although I have also tried ePub and other formats all with the same problems.

 

So, does anyone have any recommendations for another DAISY reader?  Or, does anyone have any solution to these problems with FS Reader?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Tom Behler
 

Ray:

 

Well, I’m not sure, but we somehow got through that part.

 

And, of course, once the software is installed, you can forget it.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

that software and the need for sighted assistance put me off that keyboard particularly as the sighted person could not get past the initial setup screen.

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 09:03

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Sieghard.

 

This is good to know, and will give me even more flexibility with the keyboard.

 

Am I correct in assuming that using the USB dongle will not cause the keyboard to function any differently than it would if I used a bluetooth connection?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 10:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Yes, that will work for sure, once the USB dongle is paired you can plug it into any computer or device and it will connect to the keyboard.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Richard:

 

I’ll give it a try when I get the chance here.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

That's what I'm thinking. I hope it works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Richard:

 

Let me see if I’m following you here.

 

Currently, I use the USB dongle for my older Windows 7 PC, which is unable to  pair with the keyboard via bluetooth.  That dongle is interfaced with button 1 on the Logitec.

 

So, are you saying that I could just take the dongle out of the USB port on the Win 7 machine, and transfer it to the Polaris, so that when I hit the first button on the keyboard, it connects with the polaris?

 

That’s a very interesting idea that I’ll have to try!

 

That way, I could use the remaining empty slot on the keyboard for a bluetooth connection to my iPhone 8.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I had an out-of-the-box thought this morning.

Does the Polaris have a usb port for a qwerty keyboard?

If so, try using the USB dongle on the Polaris.

That way you simply have to swap the dongle rather than dealing with the switches.

Let me know if that works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Thanks again, Sieghard.

 

I appreciate all of your help over the past day or two.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I think 3 devices is all you can do including the Dongle, i.e. you can do 3 Bluetooth devices or use the Dongle and then do 2 more devices via Bluetooth.

I have never found a separate button for the USB dongle, it is my understanding it is whichever of the easy switch keys you use.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I’m Sure Sieghard will answer, but I think you have answered your own question.

The dongle is using one of the 3 switches, so to pair with a 4th device, you would have to turn Bluetooth off on one device, pair the 4th device to its slot, and then you would have to be sure to turn Bluetooth off on the 4th device and back on the third device before being able to connect again.

 

The only reason I asked about the button for the dongle is that the Logitech H800 headpones have a switch with a Bluetooth position and a different position for the USB dongle, allowing easy switching between two devices.

 

Personally, while I know sometimes having a qwerty keyboard connected to a braille note taker is handy; I’d prioritize the iPhone over the Polaris.

But, that is just me.

 

The Logitech K780 sounds like a keyboard I should be recommending  to my clients.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Right now, I have the dongle connection for the Windows 7 PC set on the first button—button 1.

 

If there is a separate button for the dongle connection, I would think it should be easy to switch to it, but am not sure.

 

Will wait to see what others suggest.

 

Thanks again, everyone.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Sieghard is obviously the authority on this, but if you have to use one of the switch keys f1, f2, or f3, to connect to the Windows 7 machine, then you are stuck with 3 devices only.

If there is a separate button for the Dongle connection, then you should be able to follow the standard Bluetooth pairing steps to connect to the 4th device with the remaining f key.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:15 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Ray T. Mahorney
 

that software and the need for sighted assistance put me off that keyboard particularly as the sighted person could not get past the initial setup screen.
 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 09:03
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations
 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

ARORA Meesha
 

Ok, will try it.


Thanks
Meesha

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha



moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

ARORA Meesha
 

Thanks Zel, it doesn't seems the case here. My windows are up to date but still the issue persists.
Cheers
Meesha

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

I have this problem too and find that means it's time to update Windows. Even though I have it set to update automatically, often updates will appear before the scheduled times and we are not notified of this. Instead, Outlook and other big apps, like Excel, play up and I have to check for updates then install them straight away.

This is really annoying but I think it's a Microsoft issue, not Jaws, though I'm not sure as it doesn't happen near as much when I use NVDA.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2019 3:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha



moderated Accessible CRM System

Zel Iscel
 

Hello again group!

 

Does anyone know of an accessible customer rlations management system? Apparently HubbSpot claims to be accessible, has anyone ever used it?

 

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

 

Cheers

Zel

moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Zel Iscel
 

I have this problem too and find that means it's time to update Windows. Even though I have it set to update automatically, often updates will appear before the scheduled times and we are not notified of this. Instead, Outlook and other big apps, like Excel, play up and I have to check for updates then install them straight away.

This is really annoying but I think it's a Microsoft issue, not Jaws, though I'm not sure as it doesn't happen near as much when I use NVDA.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2019 3:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha