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moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Tom Behler
 

Ray:

 

Well, I’m not sure, but we somehow got through that part.

 

And, of course, once the software is installed, you can forget it.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

that software and the need for sighted assistance put me off that keyboard particularly as the sighted person could not get past the initial setup screen.

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 09:03

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Sieghard.

 

This is good to know, and will give me even more flexibility with the keyboard.

 

Am I correct in assuming that using the USB dongle will not cause the keyboard to function any differently than it would if I used a bluetooth connection?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 10:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Yes, that will work for sure, once the USB dongle is paired you can plug it into any computer or device and it will connect to the keyboard.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Richard:

 

I’ll give it a try when I get the chance here.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

That's what I'm thinking. I hope it works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Richard:

 

Let me see if I’m following you here.

 

Currently, I use the USB dongle for my older Windows 7 PC, which is unable to  pair with the keyboard via bluetooth.  That dongle is interfaced with button 1 on the Logitec.

 

So, are you saying that I could just take the dongle out of the USB port on the Win 7 machine, and transfer it to the Polaris, so that when I hit the first button on the keyboard, it connects with the polaris?

 

That’s a very interesting idea that I’ll have to try!

 

That way, I could use the remaining empty slot on the keyboard for a bluetooth connection to my iPhone 8.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I had an out-of-the-box thought this morning.

Does the Polaris have a usb port for a qwerty keyboard?

If so, try using the USB dongle on the Polaris.

That way you simply have to swap the dongle rather than dealing with the switches.

Let me know if that works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Thanks again, Sieghard.

 

I appreciate all of your help over the past day or two.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I think 3 devices is all you can do including the Dongle, i.e. you can do 3 Bluetooth devices or use the Dongle and then do 2 more devices via Bluetooth.

I have never found a separate button for the USB dongle, it is my understanding it is whichever of the easy switch keys you use.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I’m Sure Sieghard will answer, but I think you have answered your own question.

The dongle is using one of the 3 switches, so to pair with a 4th device, you would have to turn Bluetooth off on one device, pair the 4th device to its slot, and then you would have to be sure to turn Bluetooth off on the 4th device and back on the third device before being able to connect again.

 

The only reason I asked about the button for the dongle is that the Logitech H800 headpones have a switch with a Bluetooth position and a different position for the USB dongle, allowing easy switching between two devices.

 

Personally, while I know sometimes having a qwerty keyboard connected to a braille note taker is handy; I’d prioritize the iPhone over the Polaris.

But, that is just me.

 

The Logitech K780 sounds like a keyboard I should be recommending  to my clients.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Right now, I have the dongle connection for the Windows 7 PC set on the first button—button 1.

 

If there is a separate button for the dongle connection, I would think it should be easy to switch to it, but am not sure.

 

Will wait to see what others suggest.

 

Thanks again, everyone.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Sieghard is obviously the authority on this, but if you have to use one of the switch keys f1, f2, or f3, to connect to the Windows 7 machine, then you are stuck with 3 devices only.

If there is a separate button for the Dongle connection, then you should be able to follow the standard Bluetooth pairing steps to connect to the 4th device with the remaining f key.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:15 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

Ray T. Mahorney
 

that software and the need for sighted assistance put me off that keyboard particularly as the sighted person could not get past the initial setup screen.
 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 09:03
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations
 

Ray:

 

Others with more experience may hav better info, but I think you do have to install and run the optional Logitec software in order for the keyboard to work correctly.

 

Installing the software does seem to require sighted assistance, though, so keep that in mind.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

I tried that keyboard but could not work out how to switch it between devices. What did I miss and is it necessary to run the Logitech software with it?

 

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 18:30

Subject: Re: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want portable/compact the Logitech K780 is probably your best choice. It’s heavy because it’s made heavy since you can stand an iPad up in a channel which runs across from left to right above the function keys, but while it has a full numeric pad, it’s still fairly compact because it does not have the big gap you find on a full-size keyboard with the 6-pack and inverted cursor T. The K780 actually has the inverted cursor T, but it’s underneath the right shift key, think of the shift and enter key being the width of 3 other keys so the left arrow, down arrow and right arrow take up the same space as the shift key and in height the down arrow and up arrow above it are I think also the same height as the shift key.

The nice thing with this keyboard is that it is a Bluetooth keyboard, but it also comes with Logitech’s tiny unifying USB receiver so if you have a computer without Bluetooth (most likely your Windows 7 computer won’t have it), you can plug in the little dongle and use your Windows 7 PC that way and you can pair your Windows 1 PC which hopefully has Bluetooth via Bluetooth.

You can pair up to 3 devices with that keyboard so you could even pair it with your iPhone as a third device and all you have to do is press F1, F2 and F3 to switch between device 1, device 2 and device 3.

The one issue is that the function keys will not work as regular function keys unless you install the Logitech Options software where you can change this. It’s not a very accessible install, but if you have sighted help it only takes a minute or less and once installed and once you check the little checkbox to use the function keys you can just forget about it.

If you do this then on a Windows PC you have to press FN along with F1, F2 or F3 to switch devices, but if, for example FN + F3 switches to you riPhone, then in order to switch back to one of your Windows computer you only press F1 or F2 since iOS won’t require the FN key.

 

Having said all this, there is also a new full-size new Logitech keyboard and mouse combo I just read about. It is the Logitech MK850 and it can do 2 devices, also Bluetooth or USB dongle connectivity, also with regular batteries, I think 1 AA for the mouse and 2 AAA for the keyboard. The link I provided is for Best Buy Canada, but I’m sure you can easily find it on Best Buy or Amazon in the States, it is on Black Friday special for $79.95 Canadian so I assume in the States this may only be $59.99.

 

Lastly, there is the Logitech G613 which is a wireless mechanical gaming keyboard, but it of course is full-size and fairly heavy, but it has Windows keys both on the left and right of the spacebar, a working application key menu and you can also switch between Bluetooth and a USB dongle connection with a mechanical slider switch. It’s a very nice keyboard, I have the original version with the Romer G switches which I don’t like as much as the Cherry Blue switches I have on my other mechanical keyboards which are wired and from the “Das Keyboard” brand. I could have sworn the other day I stumbled across a G613 version with Blue switches but now I can’t seem to find it any more. The one I have I think is also on sale for $99 Canadian which means probably $79.99 US.

 

I am typing this on a Logitech K780 by the way which is my main keyboard I use at home with my laptop and for my iPhone if I need a keyboard there from time to time. I just saw both Best Buy Canada and Amazon Canada have it on sale for $73.98 which is also a good price, probably also $59.99 US or maybe even $49.99 in some places.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:00 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: BlueTooth Keyboard Recommendations

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I hope this quiry will not be considered to be off topic for the list, since it does have implications for much of the computer work that I do.

 

Basically, I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a good and reliable bluetooth keyboard.

 

I plan to use the keyboard for various purposes on both my main windows 10 computer, and the older Windows 7 computer I use for ham radio purposes.

 

I don’t know a whole lot about bluetooth keyboards, but here are a few requirements I’m thinking about:

 

1.  I’d like the keyboard to be easily paired with both my computers an a fairly blind-friendly and straight-forward way

 

2.  I’d like to be able to easily switch from one device to the next

 

3.  Even though this is not totally necessary, I’d prefer that the batteries for the keyboard be replaceable, rather than built-in.  Or, at the very least, I’d like to be able to charge any batteries easily and reliably.

 

4.  I’d like the keyboard to be fairly portable, and to include the number pad.

 

5.  I’d like the cost to be reasonable, but not exorbitant, since this is an optional computer accessory.

 

I realize that this might be a tall order, but thought I’d give it a try here.  Some have recommended Logitec keyboards as a good fit for my needs, but I don’t know much about them.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Tom Behler

moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

ARORA Meesha
 

Ok, will try it.


Thanks
Meesha

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha



moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

ARORA Meesha
 

Thanks Zel, it doesn't seems the case here. My windows are up to date but still the issue persists.
Cheers
Meesha

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

I have this problem too and find that means it's time to update Windows. Even though I have it set to update automatically, often updates will appear before the scheduled times and we are not notified of this. Instead, Outlook and other big apps, like Excel, play up and I have to check for updates then install them straight away.

This is really annoying but I think it's a Microsoft issue, not Jaws, though I'm not sure as it doesn't happen near as much when I use NVDA.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2019 3:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha



moderated Accessible CRM System

Zel Iscel
 

Hello again group!

 

Does anyone know of an accessible customer rlations management system? Apparently HubbSpot claims to be accessible, has anyone ever used it?

 

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

 

Cheers

Zel

moderated Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Zel Iscel
 

I have this problem too and find that means it's time to update Windows. Even though I have it set to update automatically, often updates will appear before the scheduled times and we are not notified of this. Instead, Outlook and other big apps, like Excel, play up and I have to check for updates then install them straight away.

This is really annoying but I think it's a Microsoft issue, not Jaws, though I'm not sure as it doesn't happen near as much when I use NVDA.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2019 3:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook freezes when searching any prior email with JAWS

Hello,
Yes I have this also. Solution so far has been to sign into the web version of exchange and search email that way.

On 12/3/19, ARORA Meesha <meesha.arora@...> wrote:
Hi,
I work on group mailbox and personal mailbox in my workplace and
frequently need to search a particular earlier email. The trouble is
it hangs the outlook and have to restart it usually everytime I search
any email. I think it could be due to the fact it has to search large number of emails...
Does it happen to any of you as well?
I use JAWS 2020 on Outlook 2016. And I have 8 GB RAM.
I had the same issue with JAWS 2019 as well.
In fact, the same happens if I open any heavy excel file with several
tabs, it also freezes and have to restart the same.
Thanks,
Meesha



moderated Re: How does one move Hotspot clicker scripts?

aaron lane <ajbd777@...>
 

Hey, thanks, and love the signature, LOL.

On 12/3/19, Mike B <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
Hi Aaron,

Try looking for the script files in your J17 ENU folder.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: aaron lane
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 6:06 AM
Subject: How does one move Hotspot clicker scripts?


Hello. I have the same setup at home and work; PC, Windows 10, and
JAWS17. I have HSC scripts attached to a PC game at home. How do I
copy the scripts at home and add them at work, for said game? On the
HSC site, he refers to a JAWS personel settings folder, I cannot find
any such folder.

Thanks,
Aaron





--
Thanks,
Aaron Lane
INC Environmental Recycling

moderated Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Yes, that will work for sure, once the USB dongle is paired you can plug it into any computer or device and it will connect to the keyboard.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Richard:

 

I’ll give it a try when I get the chance here.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

That's what I'm thinking. I hope it works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 3, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Richard:

 

Let me see if I’m following you here.

 

Currently, I use the USB dongle for my older Windows 7 PC, which is unable to  pair with the keyboard via bluetooth.  That dongle is interfaced with button 1 on the Logitec.

 

So, are you saying that I could just take the dongle out of the USB port on the Win 7 machine, and transfer it to the Polaris, so that when I hit the first button on the keyboard, it connects with the polaris?

 

That’s a very interesting idea that I’ll have to try!

 

That way, I could use the remaining empty slot on the keyboard for a bluetooth connection to my iPhone 8.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I had an out-of-the-box thought this morning.

Does the Polaris have a usb port for a qwerty keyboard?

If so, try using the USB dongle on the Polaris.

That way you simply have to swap the dongle rather than dealing with the switches.

Let me know if that works.

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 



On Dec 3, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:



Thanks again, Sieghard.

 

I appreciate all of your help over the past day or two.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I think 3 devices is all you can do including the Dongle, i.e. you can do 3 Bluetooth devices or use the Dongle and then do 2 more devices via Bluetooth.

I have never found a separate button for the USB dongle, it is my understanding it is whichever of the easy switch keys you use.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

I’m Sure Sieghard will answer, but I think you have answered your own question.

The dongle is using one of the 3 switches, so to pair with a 4th device, you would have to turn Bluetooth off on one device, pair the 4th device to its slot, and then you would have to be sure to turn Bluetooth off on the 4th device and back on the third device before being able to connect again.

 

The only reason I asked about the button for the dongle is that the Logitech H800 headpones have a switch with a Bluetooth position and a different position for the USB dongle, allowing easy switching between two devices.

 

Personally, while I know sometimes having a qwerty keyboard connected to a braille note taker is handy; I’d prioritize the iPhone over the Polaris.

But, that is just me.

 

The Logitech K780 sounds like a keyboard I should be recommending  to my clients.

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Right now, I have the dongle connection for the Windows 7 PC set on the first button—button 1.

 

If there is a separate button for the dongle connection, I would think it should be easy to switch to it, but am not sure.

 

Will wait to see what others suggest.

 

Thanks again, everyone.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Sieghard is obviously the authority on this, but if you have to use one of the switch keys f1, f2, or f3, to connect to the Windows 7 machine, then you are stuck with 3 devices only.

If there is a separate button for the Dongle connection, then you should be able to follow the standard Bluetooth pairing steps to connect to the 4th device with the remaining f key.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 6:15 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Another Logitec K780 Question

 

Hello, again, everyone.

 

So far, I have successfully paired my new Logitec K780 bluetooth keyboard to my two office computers.  I had to use the USB dongle to pair my older Windows 7 machine, but was able to do a bluetooth pairing for my newer Windows 10 computer.  I also plan to pair the keyboard with my Polaris Braille note-taker.

 

Once the Polaris pairing is done, this will mean that I have interfaced the keyboard with three devices so far.

 

I believe I read that if you use the dongle for one device, you can theoretically pair the keyboard with four devices.

 

Is this true?

 

If so, how can it be done, because I think there are only three device-selection buttons on the K780.

 

If I can pair to a fourth device, I’d like to try the keyboard with my IPhone 8.

 

In closing, I want to thank everyone for all of your patience as I sort things out here with the K780 keyboard.  I realize that the thread might have been slightly off topic, so your tolerance is very much appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

moderated Re: the new edge browser

Chris Hill
 

Hit down arrow a couple of times after you hit g the first time and try again.  That works on the amazon site.


CH


On 12/3/2019 20:21, William Vandervest wrote:

I only seem to be having this problem on Amazon and Audible sites

Thanks

 

 

moderated Re: the new edge browser

William Vandervest
 

I only seem to be having this problem on Amazon and Audible sites

Thanks

 

 

moderated New FS Blog, Learn More, Do more, New Features in JAWS: The JAWS Scan Cursor

Mike B
 


 
New post on Freedom Scientific Blog
 
Learn More, Do more, New Features in JAWS: The JAWS Scan Cursor
Elizabeth Whitaker
December 3, 2019
 
Over the next few weeks, we want to highlight some of the new features in the recently released 2020 updates to JAWS and Fusion. For our first post, we
want to briefly cover some changes to the existing JAWS and Invisible Cursors which help improve access to many of the universal applications found in
Windows 10. These types of apps, also known as Universal Windows Platform apps, are typically obtained through the Microsoft Store and can run on any Windows
device from a small hand-held tablet computer to a full desktop PC.
 
Background
 
For years, JAWS has provided the ability for users to quickly review text on the screen without changing the system focus. For instance, if you need to
access information in a dialog box that is not accessible using TAB or SHIFT+TAB, you could press NUM PAD MINUS or NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly to activate
the JAWS or Invisible Cursor and then use the ARROW keys and other standard reading commands to move around the screen while the system focus remained
on the current control. The primary difference between the JAWS and Invisible Cursors is that the mouse pointer follows along with the JAWS Cursor so you
can click items using the NUM PAD SLASH or NUM PAD STAR commands.
 
In order to access screen content with the JAWS and Invisible Cursors, we use a technology called the Off-Screen Model (OSM). However, in the last few
years, an increasing number of applications are now using newer technologies such as User Interface Automation (UIA) to present screen content which made
the JAWS and Invisible Cursor useless in these situations. When activating these cursors in applications like the Calculator, Weather, or most apps from
the Microsoft Store, you would only hear “blank” when attempting to review the screen.
 
The JAWS and Invisible Scan Cursors
 
JAWS 2020 now detects when focus is in an application where the OSM is not supported and will automatically use the new JAWS or Invisible Scan Cursor in
these situations. You will use the same navigation commands as you would with the traditional JAWS or Invisible cursors.
 
For example, if you press NUM PAD MINUS in the Weather app so you can review a forecast, you will now hear JAWS announce “JAWS Scan Cursor” as this is
an app that does not support the OSM. Similarly, if you press NUM PAD Minus twice quickly, you will hear JAWS announce, “Invisible Scan Cursor.” You can
then use the same commands you always have to review text with the difference being that you are now navigating through the UIA elements of the app.
 
For instance:
 
list of 5 items
◦ LEFT  or RIGHT ARROW  moves by character through the text of the current element.
◦ CTRL+LEFT  or CTRL+RIGHT ARROW  moves by word.
◦ UP  or DOWN ARROW  moves to the previous or next element or line of text.
◦ HOME  or END  moves to the beginning or end of the current element.
◦ CTRL+HOME  or CTRL+END  moves to the first or last element on the screen.
list end
 
You can still use JAWS commands such as INSERT+UP ARROW to read the current element or line of text as well as CTRL+F to search for text currently visible
on the screen. When using the JAWS Scan Cursor, the mouse pointer follows along as you navigate so you can still press NUM PAD SLASH or NUM PAD STAR to
perform a left or right click.
 
While the JAWS and Invisible Scan Cursors work in many places, we are continuing to improve this functionality in more areas. Look out for improvements
in future 2020 updates.
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

moderated Re: Logitech480

Richard Turner
 

I use the K480 a lot with my iPhone.
It makes a huge difference which pairing button you use because the non-letter keys won't map correctly if you use the wrong one
Of the two pairing buttons, the one on the left is for Android/Windows.
The one on the right, is for iOS/Mac.
HTH,
Richard




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Dec 3, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Pat Byrne <k9jau@...> wrote:

Astrid,
Not to sound desparaging but does your computer have bluetooth capability?  I have a WIN10 laptop which doesn't and thought I should mention it.
Pat ByrneAt 04:04 PM 12/3/2019, you wrote:
Do you use Windows 10 on the PC youâ?Tre trying to connect to your 480? If so, can you connec t them? I have this keyboard too and use it with my iPhone but somehow canâ?Tt connect it to my Windows 10 PC.

Astrid
https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fastridetal.wordpress.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca81b1501d3f0477b793108d7784189ea%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637110095186812282&amp;sdata=HtKQdzeUfGyrCo9qk5qw7Y5WJX%2FYsBkSjFkq%2BI5Xr5g%3D&amp;reserved=0

Op 3 dec. 2019 om 20:39 heeft Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> het volgende geschreven:

I've purchased the Logitech480.  I sure hope the installation and use is similar to the 780.


--

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.








moderated Re: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

Mike B
 

Is the screen maximized?  Windows key + up arrow will maximize or, hold down the, Alt key, then press the, spacebar, to open the system menu, let up on both keys, and up arrow to, maximize, and press enter.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 11:58 AM
Subject: Virtual Ribbons No Longer Working in Outlook 2016

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 under Windows 7.  For no apparent reason, today when I starting using Outlook the virtual ribbons are not working properly.  I have confirmed that “use virtual ribbons” is checked in my JAWS settings.  Until now, they were working normally.  Now, when I press the “Alt” key to activate the ribbon, it just says “blank.”  Does anyone know what might be wrong?

 

Thanks,

Richard

moderated Re: How does one move Hotspot clicker scripts?

Mike B
 


Hi Aaron,
 
Try looking for the script files in your J17 ENU folder.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: aaron lane
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 6:06 AM
Subject: How does one move Hotspot clicker scripts?

Hello. I have the same setup at home and work; PC, Windows 10, and
JAWS17. I have HSC scripts attached to a PC game at home. How do I
copy the scripts at home and add them at work, for said game? On the
HSC site, he refers to a JAWS personel settings folder, I cannot find
any such folder.

Thanks,
Aaron


moderated Re: firefox remembering login

David Goldfield
 

Here is what I believe will work.

1. Move to the address bar with ctrl-L or alt-D.

2. Look for something like the site information button. You will either
need to tab or shift-tab from the address bar but it should be fairly
close to the address bar.

3. Once you're on this button press space. Do the options for
remembering passwords come up at that point?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/3/2019 6:41 PM, Rayn Darren wrote:
I would love to know the answer to this as well, I have way too many
passwords and auto remember is a wonderful thing!

On 12/3/2019 3:25 PM, brian albriton wrote:
How do I respond to the message do you want Firefox to remember this
log in.  I have not found a way to say yes or no to the message just
one of those things! I can hear it but I can’t find it! LOL any
assistance much appreciated





moderated Re: firefox remembering login

Rayn Darren
 

I would love to know the answer to this as well, I have way too many passwords and auto remember is a wonderful thing!

On 12/3/2019 3:25 PM, brian albriton wrote:
How do I respond to the message do you want Firefox to remember this log in. I have not found a way to say yes or no to the message just one of those things! I can hear it but I can’t find it! LOL any assistance much appreciated



moderated firefox remembering login

brian albriton
 

How do I respond to the message do you want Firefox to remember this log in. I have not found a way to say yes or no to the message just one of those things! I can hear it but I can’t find it! LOL any assistance much appreciated

moderated Re: the new edge browser

Chris Hill
 

Works fine here.  Make sure you are in virtual pc mode by hitting plus, sounds like you aren't.



On 12/2/2019 22:25, William Vandervest wrote:

Is there a way to navigate by pressing the “G” button like in I e 11, I can’t get it to work in edge, chrome or firefox?

Thanks

 

 

 

William Vandervest

Timelord09@...

 

There are none so blind as those who will not se “anon”e

 

moderated Re: Logitech480

Pat Byrne
 

Astrid,
Not to sound desparaging but does your computer have bluetooth capability? I have a WIN10 laptop which doesn't and thought I should mention it.
Pat ByrneAt 04:04 PM 12/3/2019, you wrote:

Do you use Windows 10 on the PC you’re trying to connect to your 480? If so, can you connec t them? I have this keyboard too and use it with my iPhone but somehow can’t connect it to my Windows 10 PC.

Astrid
http://astridetal.wordpress.com/

Op 3 dec. 2019 om 20:39 heeft Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> het volgende geschreven:

I've purchased the Logitech480. I sure hope the installation and use is similar to the 780.


--

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.