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moderated Re: HP computers & 1909 update

Don & Cher
 

Thanks much for sharing your experience 😊

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: HP computers & 1909 update

 

I own an HP and was able to go to 1909.  As so many models there may indeed be a driver problem for some but overall HP should not have a problem with 1909.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: HP computers & 1909 update

 

Someone recently posted about problems with this combination. I remember that he said there are no updated HP drivers; but can’t remember anything more specific. Does anyone have info?

 

Cher

 

moderated Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Richard Turner
 

That is what I was thinking, but I never owned the decktalk, but I had the double talk in a desktop almost 30 years ago, and now have the Triple Talk which I use once in a while.
It has a voice similar to Perfect Paul, but not quite as good.
Glad to have that settled for sure
I may have to listen to more Limp Biskit, a group I had not paid attention to before this thread got started.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:


Perfect Paul was a DEC-Talk Voice
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Stephen Hawking's synth was Perfect Paul, which was either Decktalk or Double Talk, but I suspect DekTalk.
There was a really good interview with the daughter of the synth inventor and Stephen HawkingS daughter on the BBC in context of doing a history on the synth this morning, which I think was a rebroadcast.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:11 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Interesting, Glenn … didn’t know all this.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 25, 2019 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

I guess at one time the folks who assisted Stephen Hawking with his synthesizer told him that they could put in a more human sounding one and he declined, and they worked hard to find the Dectalks to keep his going.  The only thing he did not like about it was the American accent.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

The song “Keep Talking” has samples of Steven hawking speaking through his synth. Don’t really know what it is but, it sounds rather like a Dectalk to me, with some slightly different inflection.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: November 25, 2019 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Doesn’t Pink Floyd use a synth in one of their songs?

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Venom’s album Cast in Stone also used a sample of the speak and spell saying “I win”. I laughed when I recognised that.

Anyway like I said in a previous message, it uses the same chip as the Echo speech synth. Yes, it sounds different, but that’s because of how the chip is programmed. You could make some of the echos sound like this too but it usually took more tweaking and effort than it was worth.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 25, 2019 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Cool, Thanks Richard.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

I did some research and found the answer to this question through Wikipedia.

. Limp Bizkit's arrangement is notable for featuring a Speak & Spell during the bridge.[10] This, together with a new verse and an extra chorus, replaces the rock theme of The Who's version.

For those who do not know what a Speak and Spell is, it was a hand-held device made in the late 1970's by Texas Instruments as an educational tool. I had bought one for my Great Niece.

There is a good article on Texas Instruments and the speak and spell on Wikipedia as well.

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

 It sounds like the old Double Talk voice, which is also on the Triple Talk hardware synth.

Not sure of course as it has been a long time since I used the hardware synth.

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:



I don’t know that synth, but I like the song and have downloaded it.  It is a very cool cover of the Who song.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 12:17 PM

Subject: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Hi,

I know that some of you really know all the synthesizers, and there is this synthesizer used in a Limp Bizkit song, it spells out limp.

I would like to know the name of the synth used.

I think it sounds like the one in the movie War Games but I'm not sure.

The link will download the song.

Glenn

moderated Re: Anti-Virus Scanner Re: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer

 

The offline scan uses no internet connection whatsoever - hence the name:  offline.

No disagreement about it being good to have as many metaphorical arrows in one's quiver as one can.  It gives you options.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Jaws not speaking edit field input

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi group,

Jaws 2019 with Inventoria by NCH Software. After I have inserted text into
an edit field, if I tab back to that field the text is not automatically
spoken by Jaws. The only way I can read the text is to use a standard
reading command like Insert num pad 2 or control left or right arrow key.
I'm using beginner verbosity, but I suspect I need to change something in
Jaws settings. If anyone can help out, I would appreciate it muchly.

Thanks,
Norma

moderated Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Dave Durber
 


Perfect Paul was a DEC-Talk Voice
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Stephen Hawking's synth was Perfect Paul, which was either Decktalk or Double Talk, but I suspect DekTalk.
There was a really good interview with the daughter of the synth inventor and Stephen HawkingS daughter on the BBC in context of doing a history on the synth this morning, which I think was a rebroadcast.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:11 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Interesting, Glenn … didn’t know all this.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 25, 2019 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

I guess at one time the folks who assisted Stephen Hawking with his synthesizer told him that they could put in a more human sounding one and he declined, and they worked hard to find the Dectalks to keep his going.  The only thing he did not like about it was the American accent.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

The song “Keep Talking” has samples of Steven hawking speaking through his synth. Don’t really know what it is but, it sounds rather like a Dectalk to me, with some slightly different inflection.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: November 25, 2019 10:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Doesn’t Pink Floyd use a synth in one of their songs?

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:33 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Venom’s album Cast in Stone also used a sample of the speak and spell saying “I win”. I laughed when I recognised that.

Anyway like I said in a previous message, it uses the same chip as the Echo speech synth. Yes, it sounds different, but that’s because of how the chip is programmed. You could make some of the echos sound like this too but it usually took more tweaking and effort than it was worth.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: November 25, 2019 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Cool, Thanks Richard.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 7:31 AM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

I did some research and found the answer to this question through Wikipedia.

. Limp Bizkit's arrangement is notable for featuring a Speak & Spell during the bridge.[10] This, together with a new verse and an extra chorus, replaces the rock theme of The Who's version.

For those who do not know what a Speak and Spell is, it was a hand-held device made in the late 1970's by Texas Instruments as an educational tool. I had bought one for my Great Niece.

There is a good article on Texas Instruments and the speak and spell on Wikipedia as well.

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

 It sounds like the old Double Talk voice, which is also on the Triple Talk hardware synth.

Not sure of course as it has been a long time since I used the hardware synth.

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...> wrote:



I don’t know that synth, but I like the song and have downloaded it.  It is a very cool cover of the Who song.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 12:17 PM

Subject: Does Anyone Know This Synth?

Hi,

I know that some of you really know all the synthesizers, and there is this synthesizer used in a Limp Bizkit song, it spells out limp.

I would like to know the name of the synth used.

I think it sounds like the one in the movie War Games but I'm not sure.

The link will download the song.

Glenn

moderated Re: Anti-Virus Scanner Re: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 


Unless you are having an Internet connectivity issue, which sometimes happens with computer infections.
These are good tools to have ready to use at home.
I have a packed computer and it took two hours, I think an on-line scan would take a lot longer.
Although I only use Microsoft Security Essentials I think it doesn't hurt to have a third-party scanner check as well.
One can do Microsoft's scan as well, before going to bed, but as I mentioned, one needs more than one tool available.
Just like we can't expect to repair a computer if we only have one at home, you need to be able to download tools and get information from web searches if one isn't working.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus Scanner Re: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer

If one is using Windows 10 (and probably Windows 8.1, but I don't have that handy to check) one can schedule an offline scan with Windows Security to be executed on the next restart.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Anti-Virus Scanner Re: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer

 

If one is using Windows 10 (and probably Windows 8.1, but I don't have that handy to check) one can schedule an offline scan with Windows Security to be executed on the next restart.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: Den-tech software?

Jschliff@...
 

Hi Ann,

I am in the Dental industry and have yet to find a practice management
software to work with most or all functions of the software. I am also
interested if anyone understand if this software works with Jaws.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Den-tech software?

My student is hoping to apply for a job in a dental office, which uses
software called possibly den-tech. Is anyone familiar with this
application? She believes it to be used for scheduling appointments, but
isn't sure.

thanks

moderated Re: HP computers & 1909 update

Dan Longmore
 

I own an HP and was able to go to 1909.  As so many models there may indeed be a driver problem for some but overall HP should not have a problem with 1909.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: HP computers & 1909 update

 

Someone recently posted about problems with this combination. I remember that he said there are no updated HP drivers; but can’t remember anything more specific. Does anyone have info?

 

Cher

 

moderated Den-tech software?

Ann Byrne
 

My student is hoping to apply for a job in a dental office, which uses software called possibly den-tech. Is anyone familiar with this application? She believes it to be used for scheduling appointments, but isn't sure.

thanks

moderated Anti-Virus Scanner Re: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I tried a handful of off-line virus scanners today, and this one was the only one to work with NVDA in WinPE.
This is a good way to scan for viruses, because your system is off-line when booted to WinPE.
This a link to it in my Open Drive.
It's called MWAV.exe
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjU3MzkwNzdf/mwav.exe
There is an update you can tab to before running the scanner, it will update its definitions.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 10:35 AM
Subject: WinPE Downloads, was Re: Used computer


I will give all my WinPE links here:
Bryan's Win7 WinPE with Eloquence, no extra utilities:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ4NTRf/twpe_r2_basic.ISO
Bryans Mega Win 7 WinPE, with Eloquence, no extra utilities, but has various versions of Windows boot.Wims for various Windows 7 versions which would be helpful for installing various versions of Windows:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDkwNjlf/twpe_r2_mega.ISO
Windows 7 X86 with eSpeak and utilities:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ4Njdf/Win7PE_x86.ISO
Windows 7 64 with eSpeak and utilities:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ4OTdf/Win7PE_x64.ISO
Windows 10 X86 with eSpeak and utilities:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
Windows 10 64 with eSpeak and utilities:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


if the previous links were for Carlos's WinPE builds, could you please
post the links to get the ones from Brian and the steps to get started
and/or any other tips you can share?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glennervin@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2019, 9:31 PM
Subject: Used computer
I have Brian's too, and it uses the Eloquence, but it has no extra
utilities like the one I put up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Thanks Dave, but I have that Win 7 PE. It was recommended by Glenn on
this list. That is how I was able to get the computer cleaned up.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Hello Marty:

If you did want to perform a fresh installation of Windows 7, I have
Brian
Smart's talking Window 7 Preinstall. If you would like it and you send me
your email address to: d.durber@..., I can post it on Sendspace and
send you the download link off-list.

Dave durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Dave, I was just trying to remove the password protected user
accounts and all of their files, so the computer could be used by me
or someone in my family. I wanted to preserve the installation of
Windows 7, as I do not have a copy of it to reinstall. I have
achieved this goal and all is good.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly
places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Hello Marty:

Are you wanting to delete the partitions on the hard drive, so you can
install a fresh version of Windows?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Glenn, Remember me? The originator of this thread. I am in. I
was able to change the boot order to load Win 7 PE from a USB
drive. Now, how do I get rid of those user accounts?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly
places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able
to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I sure the original source was still up.
The only trouble with the originals were that they come as
executables with
self-burning software.
I had to use 7Zip to open the EXE archives and extract the ISO images.
If I knew how to make a checksum, I could make one of my image and
send that
to you to test for corruption.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hello Glen:

Up-to-now, I have used Iso To USB, and so far, it has worked every
time. I will download the software you suggest and try it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny"
<glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Dave,
Try using Universal USB Installer, it has never failed for me.
It will burn an ISO OS to a USB drive without damaging the files.
I have even done this on external hard drives.
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hello Robert:

After connecting the USB memory stick and pressing the power
button, I waited for about 5 minutes. I pressed the power button
again, the laptop powered off within 3 seconds. So, it was
obvious that the boot process did not work because, if it had,
the laptop would have taken much longer to power off.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Cole via Groups.Io"
<mr.robertcole=icloud.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi,

Without sighted assistance, How can you be sure it did not boot?

Some computers need a USB sound card in order for you to hear NVDA

while running the Windows PE.

If this is the case, you can get one from WalMart for around $10.


On 11/20/2019 12:18 PM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Glen:

I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did.

I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided

Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso
file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing
happened, it did not boot.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny"
<glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one.
BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the
same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first
link is useful too.
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny"
<glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another.
I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there,
but it's only on my computer.
The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough
attention.
As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
<@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate
it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit
version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley"
<bentleyj1952@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi Glen,

Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?

If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?

Regards,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can
even remove the
boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line
and even
listen

to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get
on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next
boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE
and how do I
get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against
the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against
the

spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will
be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand
firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up,
you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
<@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if
they can really
be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when
those two
people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas
party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way,
was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired
some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I
honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that
is only
correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck
around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you
are worried.
At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as
easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or,
even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a
lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or
punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some
such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with
Face Id, he
has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with
Face Id or Touch
Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to
sell it or even
if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face
Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to
enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your
phone was
stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and
permanently disable
it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also
cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working
is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against
the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will
be able to
resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking
out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on
iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is
point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am
wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a
password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone
can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow
you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing
everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty
Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a
Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is
there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be
restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?

----------------------------------------






















































































.




moderated Re: Putting download folder on desktop

 

To be precise, you have a shortcut to your Downloads folder on your desktop, the actual folder is still located in c:\users\Your User Name\

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Putting download folder on desktop

Thanks much for the info. I now have a download folder on desktop. I am saving your info.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Putting download folder on desktop

Do you know how to navigate to your download folder within File Explorer?
What I do is open File Explorer with Windows key + E, Shift tab once to get to the tree view area then arrow down till you hear Downloads. You may need to expand one of the headers, such as This computer" to find it. Once you get there, hit the application key and arrow down to "Send To". On the submenu, select Desktop create shortcut". This will put a shortcut called "Downloads - shortcut" onto your desktop.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Main JFK Group <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Putting download folder on desktop

I am using W 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019 and I would appreciate it very much if someone would tell me how to put a download folder on my desktop.

Thanks much,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT







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moderated HP computers & 1909 update

Don & Cher
 

Someone recently posted about problems with this combination. I remember that he said there are no updated HP drivers; but can’t remember anything more specific. Does anyone have info?

 

Cher

 

moderated Re: thunder bird.

michaeel's mail
 

Hi I will do that it might be easier that way.

cheers.

On 27/11/19 1:54 am, Mario wrote:
there is a Restore Defaults Button for fonts..
-------- Original Message --------
From: michaeel's mail [mailto:michaelandjeanie@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 4:22 AM
Subject: thunder bird.
i will try that i was not sure how big the fonce should be.

On 26/11/19 11:58 am, Mario wrote:
72 points is equal to 1 inch which may or not be depending on the font
being used. this might be the issue that's causing the problem. I found
the adjustment if the email is composed as HTML, but what if the email
is composed as text?

-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@...]
To:<main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:10 PM
Subject: thunder bird.
check the font size for composing mail. it sounds like you are useing a
very large font size. it can go as big as 72 point size.

-----Original Message----- From: michael's mail
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:32 PM
To:main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thunder bird.

i have classic and have the message pane on.
I have tb on 3 laptops and only one has gone silly.
when i read an email its fine.
But when i compose and reply to one the lines in the email are so narrow
only 2 or 3 words are on each line.
cheers.


On 26/11/2019 1:32 am, Mario wrote:
did you choose classic layout and turned off the message pane? press f8
to disable the message pane, and to choose classic layout, press alt+v,
l, c. -------- Original Message -------- From: michaeel's mail
[mailto:michaelandjeanie@...] To: new jaws help list
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io  Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 1:02 AM
Subject: thunder bird. Hi guys i seam to have stuffed thunder bird up.
Wile i am in the inbox jaws reads find. But if i go to reply or start a
new email their seams to be 2 rows or windows open. So in the email i am
typing seams to be a small window cos of the 2 windows being open. So
jaws basicly says only a couple  of words on each line instead of having
lots of words on each line. I may not have explaned my self that good.
But a sighted person just said i have 2 windows open at same time. And i
have it maxamized. Cheers






.




--
sent from mizilla thunderbird

moderated Re: Putting download folder on desktop

Fred Adams
 

Thanks much for the info. I now have a download folder on desktop. I am
saving your info.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin
via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Putting download folder on desktop

Do you know how to navigate to your download folder within File Explorer?
What I do is open File Explorer with Windows key + E, Shift tab once to get
to the tree view area then arrow down till you hear Downloads. You may need
to expand one of the headers, such as This computer" to find it. Once you
get there, hit the application key and arrow down to "Send To". On the
submenu, select Desktop create shortcut". This will put a shortcut called
"Downloads - shortcut" onto your desktop.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Main JFK Group <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Putting download folder on desktop

I am using W 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019 and I would appreciate it very
much if someone would tell me how to put a download folder on my desktop.

Thanks much,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT







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It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying,
distributing or using any of this information. If you received this
communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy
the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This
communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers
subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not
directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose
other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the
information.

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from Key send an e-mail to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional
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moderated Re: Putting download folder on desktop

Fred Adams
 

Dean, thanks much for info. I am saving your info.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Putting download folder on desktop

There are various ways to do this. Here's one: focus on the downloads folder
in File Explorer. If you're already viewing it, backspace and focus on the
Downloads folder from that list.

Press the context menu key, then N for Send To, then D until you hear
Desktop Create Shortcut, and press enter.

Dean


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:47 PM
To: Main JFK Group <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Putting download folder on desktop

I am using W 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019 and I would appreciate it very
much if someone would tell me how to put a download folder on my desktop.

Thanks much,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT

moderated Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

Which Edge are you talking about? If you refer to the original Edge which is part of Windows 10 you might be right, but in the chromium version of Edge which you can download as a Beta and which will replace the original Edge in January all quick nav keys for me are the same as in Chrome.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

So many of the quick keys don't work in Edge, so, while it works, it's just not a great experience.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [Suspected Spam] Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity.

On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself.
In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason.
1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now.
2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws.

If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway.
David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with
Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or
donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address
Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of
contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can
confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after
installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast
downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
(Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions)
Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker
(Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename)
(Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu.
(Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected
files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's
Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder
(Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book
Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible
Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install
Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter
(Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with
Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column
browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV
(Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite
(Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid
versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and
Malware by unchecking boxes in
installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications
running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients)
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing
and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with
Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should
start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that
over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most
logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by
a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed
in the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really
suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the
first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a
group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently
restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going
to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a
project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally
add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so,
that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of
maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on
this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on
their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members
or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but
I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating
in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a
wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly
anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus,
using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a
program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the
application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list
which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about
using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us
other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be
added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two
extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my
system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think
is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have
used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people
want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of
feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather
than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing
and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance
module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

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Hope we can start something here.

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
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*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
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*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could
list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows
R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use
the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in
a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing
control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for
about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know
don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they
work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have
this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we
can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we
can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs
or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to
the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource
is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but
I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased
it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the
situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as
well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent
sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and
it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones
although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone
you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit
of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the
windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for
one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time,
but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of
your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the
system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I
usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system
tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle
around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one
of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: thunder bird.

Mario
 

there is a Restore Defaults Button for fonts..

-------- Original Message --------
From: michaeel's mail [mailto:michaelandjeanie@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 4:22 AM
Subject: thunder bird.
i will try that i was not sure how big the fonce should be.

On 26/11/19 11:58 am, Mario wrote:
72 points is equal to 1 inch which may or not be depending on the font
being used. this might be the issue that's causing the problem. I found
the adjustment if the email is composed as HTML, but what if the email
is composed as text?

-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@...]
To:<main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:10 PM
Subject: thunder bird.
check the font size for composing mail. it sounds like you are useing a
very large font size. it can go as big as 72 point size.

-----Original Message----- From: michael's mail
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:32 PM
To:main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thunder bird.

i have classic and have the message pane on.
I have tb on 3 laptops and only one has gone silly.
when i read an email its fine.
But when i compose and reply to one the lines in the email are so narrow
only 2 or 3 words are on each line.
cheers.


On 26/11/2019 1:32 am, Mario wrote:
did you choose classic layout and turned off the message pane? press f8
to disable the message pane, and to choose classic layout, press alt+v,
l, c. -------- Original Message -------- From: michaeel's mail
[mailto:michaelandjeanie@...] To: new jaws help list
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 1:02 AM
Subject: thunder bird. Hi guys i seam to have stuffed thunder bird up.
Wile i am in the inbox jaws reads find. But if i go to reply or start a
new email their seams to be 2 rows or windows open. So in the email i am
typing seams to be a small window cos of the 2 windows being open. So
jaws basicly says only a couple  of words on each line instead of having
lots of words on each line. I may not have explaned my self that good.
But a sighted person just said i have 2 windows open at same time. And i
have it maxamized. Cheers






.




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sent from mizilla thunderbird

moderated Re: thunder bird.

michaeel's mail
 

i will try that i was not sure how big the fonce should be.

On 26/11/19 11:58 am, Mario wrote:
72 points is equal to 1 inch which may or not be depending on the font 
being used. this might be the issue that's causing the problem. I found 
the adjustment if the email is composed as HTML, but what if the email 
is composed as text?

-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:10 PM
Subject: thunder bird.
check the font size for composing mail. it sounds like you are useing a
very large font size. it can go as big as 72 point size.

-----Original Message----- From: michael's mail
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thunder bird.

i have classic and have the message pane on.
I have tb on 3 laptops and only one has gone silly.
when i read an email its fine.
But when i compose and reply to one the lines in the email are so narrow
only 2 or 3 words are on each line.
cheers.


On 26/11/2019 1:32 am, Mario wrote:
did you choose classic layout and turned off the message pane? press f8
to disable the message pane, and to choose classic layout, press alt+v,
l, c. -------- Original Message -------- From: michaeel's mail
[mailto:michaelandjeanie@...] To: new jaws help list
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 1:02 AM
Subject: thunder bird. Hi guys i seam to have stuffed thunder bird up.
Wile i am in the inbox jaws reads find. But if i go to reply or start a
new email their seams to be 2 rows or windows open. So in the email i am
typing seams to be a small window cos of the 2 windows being open. So
jaws basicly says only a couple  of words on each line instead of having
lots of words on each line. I may not have explaned my self that good.
But a sighted person just said i have 2 windows open at same time. And i
have it maxamized. Cheers






.




--
sent from mizilla thunderbird

moderated Re: thunder bird.

netbat66
 

i don't know. all i see for plain text is large medium and small.
i got theraly confused trying to figure out what is going on with font styles and gave up because what i sent out would not be seen by others the way i sent the messages. i don't remember what i did to get every thing back to the default settings.
and i went back to wlm its allot easier to use then tunderbird. i still have both wlm and thunderbird on my computer though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thunder bird.

72 points is equal to 1 inch which may or not be depending on the font
being used. this might be the issue that's causing the problem. I found
the adjustment if the email is composed as HTML, but what if the email
is composed as text?

-------- Original Message --------
From: netbat66 [mailto:netbat66@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 6:10 PM
Subject: thunder bird.
check the font size for composing mail. it sounds like you are useing a
very large font size. it can go as big as 72 point size.

-----Original Message----- From: michael's mail
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thunder bird.

i have classic and have the message pane on.
I have tb on 3 laptops and only one has gone silly.
when i read an email its fine.
But when i compose and reply to one the lines in the email are so narrow
only 2 or 3 words are on each line.
cheers.


On 26/11/2019 1:32 am, Mario wrote:
did you choose classic layout and turned off the message pane? press f8
to disable the message pane, and to choose classic layout, press alt+v,
l, c. -------- Original Message -------- From: michaeel's mail
[mailto:michaelandjeanie@...] To: new jaws help list
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io Date: Monday, November 25, 2019, 1:02 AM
Subject: thunder bird. Hi guys i seam to have stuffed thunder bird up.
Wile i am in the inbox jaws reads find. But if i go to reply or start a
new email their seams to be 2 rows or windows open. So in the email i am
typing seams to be a small window cos of the 2 windows being open. So
jaws basicly says only a couple of words on each line instead of having
lots of words on each line. I may not have explaned my self that good.
But a sighted person just said i have 2 windows open at same time. And i
have it maxamized. Cheers






.