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moderated Re: Best braille translation program

Glenn / Lenny
 


Richard,
I went to APH to find that translation program, but which of the many links do I use to find it?
I tried a couple links there and did not find any software available for download.
Thanks.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Best braille translation program

If money is not an issue, the best is Duxbury, at somewhere around $500 or $600.
I use Braille Blaster, which is free from American Printing House for the blind.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi. I am looking for advice as to the best Braille translation software. I want to create my own grade two brf files from text files. What is the best software I can use with Windows 10 and JAWS?

Thank you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

moderated Re: Best braille translation program

Richard Turner
 

If money is not an issue, the best is Duxbury, at somewhere around $500 or $600.
I use Braille Blaster, which is free from American Printing House for the blind.
www.aph.org





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi. I am looking for advice as to the best Braille translation software. I want to create my own grade two brf files from text files. What is the best software I can use with Windows 10 and JAWS?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

moderated Best braille translation program

Bill White
 

Hi. I am looking for advice as to the best Braille translation software. I want to create my own grade two brf files from text files. What is the best software I can use with Windows 10 and JAWS?

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

moderated Re: clarification on setting place markers on websites

David Griffith
 

 

As I understand it placemarkers are browser specific so yes you have to add placemarkers  for each browser you use.

I think placemarkers on a page are disturbed if there is dynamic content on a page – have you tried checking the option “Anchor to text”.

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 21 November 2019 17:47
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: clarification on setting place markers on websites

 

Using JAWS 2019.  Like many of you, I jump between a couple different browsers depending on what I’m doing.  Here at work, I have a couple internal company sites that are cluttered, so I’m setting place markers to get to pertinent parts of the screen.   I’d like to clarify my understanding, since I’m still new to doing this with JAWS. 

 

For one page, I added a place marker at a line of text above a bunch of buttons I use.  I think I set this PlaceMarkers while using IE 11.  If I open the page in Chrome and hit K, it takes me to a different spot on the page.   In the second case, I set a place marker  at the top of the main section of a page where the company posts news stories.  The K key works as expected in IE 11, but JAWS says there are no place markers when I open the page in Chrome. 

 

Questions:

Are place markers specific to the browser or to the URL?  In other words, should I be able to set a place marker and have it work on any browser I open the page in?

Second, if the above is true, what could I do differently in my first example where the place marker takes me to the right spot in IE 11, but to a spot earlier on the page in Chrome.  For context, this page is set up with a top navigation bar, a left nav, then two columns of information in the middle.  My place marker is supposed to go to the top of the right column and, within Chrome, takes me to a point near the bottom of the left column, about 2 inches visually below and 1 inch visually left of where I intended the place marker.   There  are a number of settings in that place marker dialog, so I must have done it incorrectly.  I think in Window Eyes I would select the text on the screen, then set the place marker.  At least with one of these above, I think I put the cursor just before the line of text when I set the marker, but it labeled the place marker with the full line of text, so I figured I had done it right.

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager, Strategy & Performance Management

Key Equipment Finance | 720-304-1060 |  www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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moderated Re: clarification on setting place markers on websites

Maria Campbell
 

You need to anchor your text to your place marker, so that it goes to the same place each time.  As for JAWS place markers working in other browsers other than IE, I've not tried to check this out.


Maria Campbell
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On 11/21/2019 12:46 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io wrote:

Using JAWS 2019.  Like many of you, I jump between a couple different browsers depending on what I’m doing.  Here at work, I have a couple internal company sites that are cluttered, so I’m setting place markers to get to pertinent parts of the screen.   I’d like to clarify my understanding, since I’m still new to doing this with JAWS. 

 

For one page, I added a place marker at a line of text above a bunch of buttons I use.  I think I set this PlaceMarkers while using IE 11.  If I open the page in Chrome and hit K, it takes me to a different spot on the page.   In the second case, I set a place marker  at the top of the main section of a page where the company posts news stories.  The K key works as expected in IE 11, but JAWS says there are no place markers when I open the page in Chrome. 

 

Questions:

Are place markers specific to the browser or to the URL?  In other words, should I be able to set a place marker and have it work on any browser I open the page in?

Second, if the above is true, what could I do differently in my first example where the place marker takes me to the right spot in IE 11, but to a spot earlier on the page in Chrome.  For context, this page is set up with a top navigation bar, a left nav, then two columns of information in the middle.  My place marker is supposed to go to the top of the right column and, within Chrome, takes me to a point near the bottom of the left column, about 2 inches visually below and 1 inch visually left of where I intended the place marker.   There  are a number of settings in that place marker dialog, so I must have done it incorrectly.  I think in Window Eyes I would select the text on the screen, then set the place marker.  At least with one of these above, I think I put the cursor just before the line of text when I set the marker, but it labeled the place marker with the full line of text, so I figured I had done it right.

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager, Strategy & Performance Management

Key Equipment Finance | 720-304-1060 |  www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

I sure the original source was still up.
The only trouble with the originals were that they come as executables with self-burning software.
I had to use 7Zip to open the EXE archives and extract the ISO images.
If I knew how to make a checksum, I could make one of my image and send that to you to test for corruption.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hello Glen:

Up-to-now, I have used Iso To USB, and so far, it has worked every time. I will download the software you suggest and try it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Dave,
Try using Universal USB Installer, it has never failed for me.
It will burn an ISO OS to a USB drive without damaging the files.
I have even done this on external hard drives.
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hello Robert:

After connecting the USB memory stick and pressing the power button, I waited for about 5 minutes. I pressed the power button again, the laptop powered off within 3 seconds. So, it was obvious that the boot process did not work because, if it had, the laptop would have taken much longer to power off.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Cole via Groups.Io" <mr.robertcole=icloud.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi,

Without sighted assistance, How can you be sure it did not boot?

Some computers need a USB sound card in order for you to hear NVDA

while running the Windows PE.

If this is the case, you can get one from WalMart for around $10.


On 11/20/2019 12:18 PM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Glen:

I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did.

I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided

Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing happened, it did not boot.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one.
BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first link is useful too.
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another.
I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there, but it's only on my computer.
The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough attention.
As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi Glen,

Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?

If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?

Regards,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the
boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even
listen

to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I
get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really
be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch
Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even
if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------













































moderated clarification on setting place markers on websites

Van Lant, Robin
 

Using JAWS 2019.  Like many of you, I jump between a couple different browsers depending on what I’m doing.  Here at work, I have a couple internal company sites that are cluttered, so I’m setting place markers to get to pertinent parts of the screen.   I’d like to clarify my understanding, since I’m still new to doing this with JAWS. 

 

For one page, I added a place marker at a line of text above a bunch of buttons I use.  I think I set this PlaceMarkers while using IE 11.  If I open the page in Chrome and hit K, it takes me to a different spot on the page.   In the second case, I set a place marker  at the top of the main section of a page where the company posts news stories.  The K key works as expected in IE 11, but JAWS says there are no place markers when I open the page in Chrome. 

 

Questions:

Are place markers specific to the browser or to the URL?  In other words, should I be able to set a place marker and have it work on any browser I open the page in?

Second, if the above is true, what could I do differently in my first example where the place marker takes me to the right spot in IE 11, but to a spot earlier on the page in Chrome.  For context, this page is set up with a top navigation bar, a left nav, then two columns of information in the middle.  My place marker is supposed to go to the top of the right column and, within Chrome, takes me to a point near the bottom of the left column, about 2 inches visually below and 1 inch visually left of where I intended the place marker.   There  are a number of settings in that place marker dialog, so I must have done it incorrectly.  I think in Window Eyes I would select the text on the screen, then set the place marker.  At least with one of these above, I think I put the cursor just before the line of text when I set the marker, but it labeled the place marker with the full line of text, so I figured I had done it right.

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager, Strategy & Performance Management

Key Equipment Finance | 720-304-1060 |  www.keyequipmentfinance.com 

 



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moderated Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Van Lant, Robin
 

I found a couple statements on Cisco's accessibility site that told me what you said for Jabber 12.5. I went back to Cisco Accessibility and was told that this is old news and they are working on the scripts for Jabber 12.6. I guess I can question the knowledge of this particular accessibility help desk person at Cisco, but I'm inclined to believe her. One of the other people who answer help desk inquiries is a JAWS user; I can double check with him on his current configuration.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Cisco Jabber no longer uses any JAWS scripts. If you are using JAWS 2018 or above, I've found it to be usable. It isn't perfect however.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Maybe the NFB or ACB could host this list. Neither of which am I a member.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

As to where we could house this information this has not had any consensus on this list yet. I am happy to receive suggestions.
Ideally FS should host this but I don't know if anybody has a lead in to them to grab proper attention and interest..
Some suggested the list Wiki page but some opposition to this was also made.
Off my own bat I have asked the British Technology Assistance for VIP organisation if it would be possible for them to host this sort of information .
If they do agree it is likely they will want it to be a more generic Screenreader accessible page to include NVDA only users and possible notes where Jaws scripts are needed or use of the Jaws cursor. Apparently they will discuss my request at a Board Meeting tomorrow.
I think as long as we can all freely access the information it does not really matter where the information is located - we just need to get it out there.
David Griffith



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 20 November 2019 18:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Just a note that Cisco Jabber access depends on the version. I mistakenly upgraded to 12.6 recently and the JAWS scripts for it aren't ready, so it's challenging to say the least. I'd add a note to be sure to check the Cisco Accessibility team recommendation for Jabber versions before installing.
They also said JAWS 2019 wasn't working as well with it as JAWS 2018 and JAWS 2020. I'm about to upgrade to JAWS 2020, so I'll see what happens.

I'm late to jumping onto this thread, so missed where this list might be housed and who will maintain it. I appreciated the GW Micro maintained such a list on their site for Window Eyes, but not sure we'd get buy in from
Freedom Scientific. It could be helpful to start including software used
at companies. For example, I'm using a web-based timekeeping system from Kronos. They say it's accessible with NVDA and Firefox, neither of which I have on this computer. The supposedly accessible list view layout is still really crummy to navigate to add vacation time. I'm really glad I don’t have to enter hourly time, which I imagine would be beastly to do.

Workday is trying to be accessible and will probably vary based on each company's implementation. I still cannot figure out how to access the
lookup feature they use instead of regular drop-downs. At least they
combined the accessibility into the main version, rather than us having to go to a special accessible version, which definitely posed issues where a company had customized things.

Robin Van Lant


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

OK - It seems to be the case that Edge should stay in, especially as it is apparently set to improve.
Perhaps some qualifying comments need to be inserted along the lines of "Further accessibility improvements anticipated in the next Windows Release".
Would that suffice?

For info and reference here is the Master list again as it stands today.
Note - I have not included any security software as my last experience of MalWareBytes and ESET is that they have degenerated to terrible accessibility so if anybody has any idea of accessible third party security and anti-virus it would be interesting. I am currently just sticking with Windows Default with high level of User Access protection.

As I say this list is not in proper prioritised categorised order yet but a start.

Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messaging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free)
everything search from void tools (Free)
Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.)
(Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
Goldwave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (YouTube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paid)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8
Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextalk transfer (For use with Plextalk Daisy
Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook and Mp3 TTS Reader) Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jaws ) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter.
(Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreaders) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce/chimes , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.)
(Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
FireFox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 20 November 2019 16:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook.
All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity.

On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void
tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself.
In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't
routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two
reason.
1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support
settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now.
2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that
the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working
really well with screenreaders including jaws.

If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the
consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be
introduced with the next release of Windows anyway.
David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely
passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest
search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and
works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this
is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with
Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or
donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address
Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of
contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can
confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after
installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast
downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
(Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions)
Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker
(Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename)
(Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu.
(Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected
files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's
Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder
(Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book
Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible
Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install
Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter
(Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with
Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column
browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV
(Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite
(Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid
versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and
Malware by unchecking boxes in
installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications
running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients)
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing
and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with
Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list
continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should
start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that
over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most
logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by
a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed
in the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really
suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the
first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a
group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently
restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going
to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a
project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally
add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so,
that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of
maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on
this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on
their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members
or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but
I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating
in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a
wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly
anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus,
using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a
program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the
application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list
which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about
using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us
other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be
added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two
extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my
system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think
is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have
used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people
want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of
feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather
than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing
and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance
module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could
list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows
R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use
the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in
a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing
control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for
about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know
don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they
work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have
this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we
can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we
can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs
or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to
the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource
is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
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*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but
I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased
it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the
situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as
well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent
sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and
it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones
although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that
I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

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Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone
you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit
of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the
windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system
time.

David Griffith

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Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for
one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

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*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time,
but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of
your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the
system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I
usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system
tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle
around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one
of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

 

I get the same thing until I set the Jaws cursor to unrestricted the way I described.
You can test this by simply opening www.google.com, then do the following:
1. Activate the Jaws cursor
2. Press Page Down to go to the bottom of the page with the Jaws cursor
3. Do a Say line (Jaws Key + NumPad 8), you will hear the following:
JAWS
Advertising Business How Search works Privacy Terms Settings
3. Say you want to click on "How search works" with the Jaws cursor, after Jaws reads this to you, try to use word by word navigation Jaws Key + Right arrow, to go to the word "How" in "How search works". You'll find Jaws says "blank" and nothing happens.
4. Now press Jaws Key + R several times until you hear "unrestricted"
5. Now press Jaws Key + Right arrow again, for me at least I can now easily navigate to "How search works" press the NumPad Slash to simulate a left mouse click and the page loads.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

Hello, the issue is not navigation, I can use he up and down arrow keys. However, if I would like to move on to an element only accessible in Jaws cursor mode to simulate a mouse click or read a text by using word by word or character by character navigation, the only response I receive is, "space".

On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
There are certainly situations where the Jaws cursor has to be used.
For example, if I go onto the Air Miles website here in Canada to book
a flight, I have to enter the starting point or airport code of my
flight and once you type all or part of it, the name or the city and
airport pop up usually somewhere below the edit field and the only way
to get to it is with the Jaws cursor and if you don't and you don't
click it, you can't continue with the booking.
Then you have to repeat with your destination city/airport and after
that choosing departure and return date is even worse since a calendar
pops up on the screen and again you have to use the Jaws cursor to try
and find the date and simulate a left mouse click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for
me and I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "soner" <soner.boun@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM
Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem


Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on
Google Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow
keys, I cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot
navigate word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode.
When I try to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem,
because I cannot move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click .
The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro
Edition.

Anybody having this issue or any solution?

Thanks in advance.








moderated FS Open Line tonight

Lino Morales
 

Hey guys. Just a reminder that the FS Open Line is tonight at 8 PM EST whitch is 1:00 AM UTC. Find out what will be in the December update to JAWS 2020. I'll be their will you? Check out the following blog for more at:

https://buff.ly/34uQR9j

See you all their and remember basic Zoom Metting scripts are encluded in JAWS 2020 if you've never used Zoom before.

moderated Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

Mike B
 


Hi Soner,
 
I tried it and got the same results as yourself, so this is what I did to make the Jaws cursor work in Chrome.
1. Open the Settings Center while in Chrome with, Insert + 6, on the number row.
2. Navigate to the, Miscellaneous folder, this the one near the bottom, #24 of 25.
3. Right arrow to open, down arrow to, MSAA..., and if this is set on either, Automatic or Enhanced, press the spacebar until Jaws reports, Classic, now tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
From: soner
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

I am writing now on a Windows 7 PC and Jaws Cursor works fine on
Chrome here. Could anybody test Jaws cursor on Windows 10 with Google
Chrome  and verify it please?

Thanks a lot in advance

On 11/21/19, soner <soner.boun@...> wrote:
> Hello, the issue is not navigation, I can use he up and down arrow
> keys. However, if I would like to move on to an element only
> accessible in Jaws cursor mode to simulate a mouse click or read a
> text by using word by word or character by character navigation, the
> only response I receive is, "space".
>
> On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
>> There are certainly situations where the Jaws cursor has to be used. For
>> example, if I go onto the Air Miles website here in Canada to book a
>> flight,
>> I have to enter the starting point or airport code of my flight and once
>> you
>> type all or part of it, the name or the city and airport pop up usually
>> somewhere below the edit field and the only way to get to it is with the
>> Jaws cursor and if you don't and you don't click it, you can't continue
>> with
>> the booking.
>> Then you have to repeat with your destination city/airport and after that
>> choosing departure and return date is even worse since a calendar pops up
>> on
>> the screen and again you have to use the Jaws cursor to try and find the
>> date and simulate a left mouse click.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:08 AM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem
>>
>> I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for me
>> and
>> I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "soner" <soner.boun@...>
>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM
>> Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem
>>
>>
>>> Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google
>>> Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I
>>> cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate
>>> word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try
>>> to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot
>>> move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click .
>>> The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro
>>> Edition.
>>>
>>> Anybody having this issue or any solution?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


moderated Re: Used computer

Dave Durber
 

Hello Glen:

Up-to-now, I have used Iso To USB, and so far, it has worked every time. I will download the software you suggest and try it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Dave,
Try using Universal USB Installer, it has never failed for me.
It will burn an ISO OS to a USB drive without damaging the files.
I have even done this on external hard drives.
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hello Robert:

After connecting the USB memory stick and pressing the power button, I waited for about 5 minutes. I pressed the power button again, the laptop powered off within 3 seconds. So, it was obvious that the boot process did not work because, if it had, the laptop would have taken much longer to power off.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Cole via Groups.Io" <mr.robertcole=icloud.com@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi,

Without sighted assistance, How can you be sure it did not boot?

Some computers need a USB sound card in order for you to hear NVDA

while running the Windows PE.

If this is the case, you can get one from WalMart for around $10.


On 11/20/2019 12:18 PM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Glen:

I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did.

I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided

Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing happened, it did not boot.

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one.
BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first link is useful too.
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another.
I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there, but it's only on my computer.
The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough attention.
As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Hi Glen,

Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?

If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?

Regards,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the
boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even
listen

to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I
get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really
be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch
Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even
if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------











































moderated Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

soner
 

I am writing now on a Windows 7 PC and Jaws Cursor works fine on
Chrome here. Could anybody test Jaws cursor on Windows 10 with Google
Chrome and verify it please?

Thanks a lot in advance

On 11/21/19, soner <soner.boun@...> wrote:
Hello, the issue is not navigation, I can use he up and down arrow
keys. However, if I would like to move on to an element only
accessible in Jaws cursor mode to simulate a mouse click or read a
text by using word by word or character by character navigation, the
only response I receive is, "space".

On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
There are certainly situations where the Jaws cursor has to be used. For
example, if I go onto the Air Miles website here in Canada to book a
flight,
I have to enter the starting point or airport code of my flight and once
you
type all or part of it, the name or the city and airport pop up usually
somewhere below the edit field and the only way to get to it is with the
Jaws cursor and if you don't and you don't click it, you can't continue
with
the booking.
Then you have to repeat with your destination city/airport and after that
choosing departure and return date is even worse since a calendar pops up
on
the screen and again you have to use the Jaws cursor to try and find the
date and simulate a left mouse click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for me
and
I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "soner" <soner.boun@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM
Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem


Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google
Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I
cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate
word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try
to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot
move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click .
The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro
Edition.

Anybody having this issue or any solution?

Thanks in advance.








moderated Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

soner
 

Hello, the issue is not navigation, I can use he up and down arrow
keys. However, if I would like to move on to an element only
accessible in Jaws cursor mode to simulate a mouse click or read a
text by using word by word or character by character navigation, the
only response I receive is, "space".

On 11/21/19, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
There are certainly situations where the Jaws cursor has to be used. For
example, if I go onto the Air Miles website here in Canada to book a flight,
I have to enter the starting point or airport code of my flight and once you
type all or part of it, the name or the city and airport pop up usually
somewhere below the edit field and the only way to get to it is with the
Jaws cursor and if you don't and you don't click it, you can't continue with
the booking.
Then you have to repeat with your destination city/airport and after that
choosing departure and return date is even worse since a calendar pops up on
the screen and again you have to use the Jaws cursor to try and find the
date and simulate a left mouse click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for me and
I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "soner" <soner.boun@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM
Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem


Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google
Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I
cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate
word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try
to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot
move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click .
The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro
Edition.

Anybody having this issue or any solution?

Thanks in advance.








moderated Re: quick keys

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Interesting...
I see that you found an answer; however, here alt shift t and alt shift d
works for time and date for me using 2016.
At 1st I thought it didn't work, but after reading current line, it was
there.

Best regards,

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

You need to tell me. I opened Word and attempted these key strokes... noting
happened...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan via
Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

Are you talking alt shift t and alt shift d?
On Nov 19, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I know there used to be a quick or hot key to put in the time or the
date,
with most from email to spread sheets or word documents. Are these still
available to hit the said hot key to install it within such applications as
mentioned?

Thanks for all your help,

Rick




moderated Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Don Mauck
 

Cisco Jabber no longer uses any JAWS scripts. If you are using JAWS 2018 or above, I've found it to be usable. It isn't perfect however.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Maybe the NFB or ACB could host this list. Neither of which am I a member.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

As to where we could house this information this has not had any consensus on this list yet. I am happy to receive suggestions.
Ideally FS should host this but I don't know if anybody has a lead in to them to grab proper attention and interest..
Some suggested the list Wiki page but some opposition to this was also made.
Off my own bat I have asked the British Technology Assistance for VIP organisation if it would be possible for them to host this sort of information .
If they do agree it is likely they will want it to be a more generic Screenreader accessible page to include NVDA only users and possible notes where Jaws scripts are needed or use of the Jaws cursor. Apparently they will discuss my request at a Board Meeting tomorrow.
I think as long as we can all freely access the information it does not really matter where the information is located - we just need to get it out there.
David Griffith



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 20 November 2019 18:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Just a note that Cisco Jabber access depends on the version. I mistakenly upgraded to 12.6 recently and the JAWS scripts for it aren't ready, so it's challenging to say the least. I'd add a note to be sure to check the Cisco Accessibility team recommendation for Jabber versions before installing.
They also said JAWS 2019 wasn't working as well with it as JAWS 2018 and JAWS 2020. I'm about to upgrade to JAWS 2020, so I'll see what happens.

I'm late to jumping onto this thread, so missed where this list might be housed and who will maintain it. I appreciated the GW Micro maintained such a list on their site for Window Eyes, but not sure we'd get buy in from
Freedom Scientific. It could be helpful to start including software used
at companies. For example, I'm using a web-based timekeeping system from Kronos. They say it's accessible with NVDA and Firefox, neither of which I have on this computer. The supposedly accessible list view layout is still really crummy to navigate to add vacation time. I'm really glad I don’t have to enter hourly time, which I imagine would be beastly to do.

Workday is trying to be accessible and will probably vary based on each company's implementation. I still cannot figure out how to access the
lookup feature they use instead of regular drop-downs. At least they
combined the accessibility into the main version, rather than us having to go to a special accessible version, which definitely posed issues where a company had customized things.

Robin Van Lant


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

OK - It seems to be the case that Edge should stay in, especially as it is apparently set to improve.
Perhaps some qualifying comments need to be inserted along the lines of "Further accessibility improvements anticipated in the next Windows Release".
Would that suffice?

For info and reference here is the Master list again as it stands today.
Note - I have not included any security software as my last experience of MalWareBytes and ESET is that they have degenerated to terrible accessibility so if anybody has any idea of accessible third party security and anti-virus it would be interesting. I am currently just sticking with Windows Default with high level of User Access protection.

As I say this list is not in proper prioritised categorised order yet but a start.

Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messaging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free)
everything search from void tools (Free)
Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.)
(Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
Goldwave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (YouTube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paid)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8
Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextalk transfer (For use with Plextalk Daisy
Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook and Mp3 TTS Reader) Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jaws ) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter.
(Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreaders) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce/chimes , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.)
(Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
FireFox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 20 November 2019 16:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook.
All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity.

On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void
tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself.
In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't
routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two
reason.
1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support
settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now.
2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that
the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working
really well with screenreaders including jaws.

If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the
consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be
introduced with the next release of Windows anyway.
David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely
passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest
search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and
works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this
is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with
Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or
donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address
Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of
contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can
confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after
installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast
downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
(Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions)
Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker
(Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename)
(Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu.
(Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected
files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's
Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder
(Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book
Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible
Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install
Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter
(Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with
Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column
browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV
(Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite
(Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid
versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and
Malware by unchecking boxes in
installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications
running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients)
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing
and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with
Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list
continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should
start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that
over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most
logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by
a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed
in the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really
suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the
first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a
group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently
restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going
to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a
project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally
add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so,
that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of
maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on
this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on
their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members
or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but
I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating
in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a
wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly
anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus,
using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a
program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the
application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list
which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about
using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us
other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be
added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two
extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my
system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think
is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have
used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people
want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of
feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather
than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing
and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance
module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could
list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows
R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use
the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in
a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing
control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for
about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know
don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they
work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have
this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we
can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we
can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs
or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to
the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource
is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

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*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but
I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased
it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the
situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as
well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent
sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

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Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and
it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones
although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that
I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
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*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

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63VYgSr9NF-zBafE&e=

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone
you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit
of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the
windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system
time.

David Griffith

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*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for
one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time,
but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of
your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the
system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I
usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system
tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle
around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one
of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: quick keys

 

In Outlook Alt + N is Insert and then pressing D gives you about 17 options for inserting date or time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

That's it! I appreciate you for the help...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

The keystroke sequence for inserting date and time into all versions Word that I have used is Alt followed by I for insert followed by T for Time.
This will open a dialogue from which you can select from a range of date and time formats.

Hope that helps.

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: 19 November 2019 22:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

You need to tell me. I opened Word and attempted these key strokes... noting happened...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: quick keys

Are you talking alt shift t and alt shift d?
On Nov 19, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I know there used to be a quick or hot key to put in the time or the
date,
with most from email to spread sheets or word documents. Are these still available to hit the said hot key to install it within such applications as mentioned?

Thanks for all your help,

Rick




moderated Re: Jaws 2020 and Outlook 2019

Van Lant, Robin
 

Alternatively, you can also rearrange the columns so that attachment notices read later.  I have done this before so that I hear the subject, then the name then if there is an attachment.  It’s on the View ribbon  under the add columns button.  You can add or remove columns then arrange them to your liking.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2020 and Outlook 2019

 

Jaws Key + F2 then Customize Outlook Message list and tell it to not speak attachments.

Not sure, however, why you wouldn’t want Jaws to say whether a message has an attachment, to me this is important information just like how I want to know if a message was replied to, forwarded etc.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2020 and Outlook 2019

 

Hi all,

I’m very new to Outlook 2019. Seems to be allot like prior versions of outlook. However, I see Jaws now adds an extra announcement about attachments. How do I turn off this announcement?

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

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moderated Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

 

There are certainly situations where the Jaws cursor has to be used. For example, if I go onto the Air Miles website here in Canada to book a flight, I have to enter the starting point or airport code of my flight and once you type all or part of it, the name or the city and airport pop up usually somewhere below the edit field and the only way to get to it is with the Jaws cursor and if you don't and you don't click it, you can't continue with the booking.
Then you have to repeat with your destination city/airport and after that choosing departure and return date is even worse since a calendar pops up on the screen and again you have to use the Jaws cursor to try and find the date and simulate a left mouse click.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem

I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for me and I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "soner" <soner.boun@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM
Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem


Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google
Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I
cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate
word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try
to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot
move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click .
The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro
Edition.

Anybody having this issue or any solution?

Thanks in advance.


moderated Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

David Diamond
 

NFB or ACB? If they run this list, I'm off. One is constently poking its nose into things that have no relationship to blindness just so they can be in the spotlight and the other had so much sniping on it that a lot of list members left. One treated a guide dog user like dirt because he did not have big enough of a chapter.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: November 20, 2019 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Maybe the NFB or ACB could host this list. Neither of which am I a member.



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-----Original Message-----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

As to where we could house this information this has not had any consensus on this list yet. I am happy to receive suggestions.
Ideally FS should host this but I don't know if anybody has a lead in to them to grab proper attention and interest..
Some suggested the list Wiki page but some opposition to this was also made.
Off my own bat I have asked the British Technology Assistance for VIP organisation if it would be possible for them to host this sort of information .
If they do agree it is likely they will want it to be a more generic Screenreader accessible page to include NVDA only users and possible notes where Jaws scripts are needed or use of the Jaws cursor. Apparently they will discuss my request at a Board Meeting tomorrow.
I think as long as we can all freely access the information it does not really matter where the information is located - we just need to get it out there.
David Griffith



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 20 November 2019 18:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Just a note that Cisco Jabber access depends on the version. I mistakenly upgraded to 12.6 recently and the JAWS scripts for it aren't ready, so it's challenging to say the least. I'd add a note to be sure to check the Cisco Accessibility team recommendation for Jabber versions before installing.
They also said JAWS 2019 wasn't working as well with it as JAWS 2018 and JAWS 2020. I'm about to upgrade to JAWS 2020, so I'll see what happens.

I'm late to jumping onto this thread, so missed where this list might be housed and who will maintain it. I appreciated the GW Micro maintained such a list on their site for Window Eyes, but not sure we'd get buy in from
Freedom Scientific. It could be helpful to start including software used
at companies. For example, I'm using a web-based timekeeping system from Kronos. They say it's accessible with NVDA and Firefox, neither of which I have on this computer. The supposedly accessible list view layout is still really crummy to navigate to add vacation time. I'm really glad I don’t have to enter hourly time, which I imagine would be beastly to do.

Workday is trying to be accessible and will probably vary based on each company's implementation. I still cannot figure out how to access the
lookup feature they use instead of regular drop-downs. At least they
combined the accessibility into the main version, rather than us having to go to a special accessible version, which definitely posed issues where a company had customized things.

Robin Van Lant


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

OK - It seems to be the case that Edge should stay in, especially as it is apparently set to improve.
Perhaps some qualifying comments need to be inserted along the lines of "Further accessibility improvements anticipated in the next Windows Release".
Would that suffice?

For info and reference here is the Master list again as it stands today.
Note - I have not included any security software as my last experience of MalWareBytes and ESET is that they have degenerated to terrible accessibility so if anybody has any idea of accessible third party security and anti-virus it would be interesting. I am currently just sticking with Windows Default with high level of User Access protection.

As I say this list is not in proper prioritised categorised order yet but a start.

Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messaging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free)
everything search from void tools (Free)
Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.)
(Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
Goldwave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (YouTube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paid)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8
Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextalk transfer (For use with Plextalk Daisy
Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook and Mp3 TTS Reader) Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jaws ) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter.
(Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreaders) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce/chimes , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.)
(Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
FireFox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: 20 November 2019 16:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook.
All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity.

On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void
tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself.
In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't
routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two
reason.
1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support
settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now.
2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that
the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working
really well with screenreaders including jaws.

If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the
consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be
introduced with the next release of Windows anyway.
David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely
passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest
search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and
works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this
is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with
Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or
donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address
Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of
contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can
confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after
installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast
downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
(Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions)
Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker
(Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename)
(Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu.
(Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected
files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's
Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder
(Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book
Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible
Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install
Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter
(Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with
Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column
browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV
(Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite
(Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid
versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and
Malware by unchecking boxes in
installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility
Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications
running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients)
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing
and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with
Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list
continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should
start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that
over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most
logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by
a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed
in the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really
suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the
first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a
group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently
restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going
to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a
project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally
add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so,
that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of
maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on
this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on
their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members
or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but
I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating
in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a
wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly
anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus,
using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a
program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the
application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list
which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

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Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about
using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us
other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be
added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two
extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my
system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think
is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have
used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people
want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of
feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather
than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on
Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing
and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance
module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could
list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows
R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use
the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in
a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing
control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for
about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know
don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they
work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have
this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we
can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we
can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs
or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to
the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource
is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
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*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but
I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased
it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the
situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as
well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent
sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and
it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones
although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that
I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
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*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone
you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit
of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the
windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system
time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
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*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for
one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
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*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time,
but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of
your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the
system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I
usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system
tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle
around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA
Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one
of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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