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moderated Brave browser

Maria Campbell
 

I'm hearing good things about this browser.  What should I know about it--set up, accessibility, navigation, etc.?  Thanks.


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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Mario
 

Michael, fortunately, Brian Hartgen has made scripts that are moderately
priced. check out hartgen.org.

On 11/14/2019 2:13 PM, Walker, Michael E wrote:
Mario, with scripts abandoned, do you know of scripts that are still
being actively maintained? I am trying to trace through this email
chain, so apologies if someone else already answered. Please send the link.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has
abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@... wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@... wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Mario
 

fortunately, Brian Hartgen has made some scripts. check out his website
at hartgen.org. I don't know how much they cost.

On 11/14/2019 2:03 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
Wow! If that's the case, that's really sad.
What do we do now?

Thanks,

Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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moderated Re: jaws and updates

Chris Hill
 

As long as other software keeps changing and messing up access, we'll be stuck paying for updates for the accessibility software.  That's the way of the world, they have to eat too.



On 11/14/2019 14:56, Gery Gaubert wrote:

I think fs just like Apple is focused on a release a year rather than content.  Lately the updates offer little that the majority of users need.  There isn’t that much money if they wait until they have something major to release.

moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

David Griffith
 

 

I also found this Microsoft Site offering keyboard shortcuts to assist Visually impaired users which appears to apply to all versions of One Note.

There are expected keys to create a new note but also keys to create a side notes and other more specialist operations which may be more useful for you.

Interestingly though it does not mention the use of the F6 key to navigate to different elements of the screen which is one of the more useful keys I found on initial use.

I am sorry if you have already found this and it is not helpful.

It is a bit late here now so  I have not tested the shortcuts to see if they are really  useful or not.

If it is not too onerous you could briefly describe a task with One Note that you have to perform at work and we could have a stab at completing it. Many minds are better than one and all that.

Keyboard shortcuts on.

https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/keyboard-shortcuts-in-onenote-for-windows-44b8b3f4-c274-4bcc-a089-e80fdcc87950

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 22:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I just tried running One Note for Office 16 version and I can tell it is awkward.

Just to check I got most joy with getting to more useful parts of the screen by using the F6 key to circulate through the different elements of the screen.

Have you been doing this?

I also found control alt and M opened up a move dialogue for moving pages in One Note though I did not pursue this as I had only   typed a load of rubbish to create a test note.

I will have a look to see if there is a list of any useful keyboard shortcuts which may help more.

David  Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Walker, Michael E
Sent: 14 November 2019 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Robin, Microsoft is promoting OneNote for Windows 10, which is a stand-alone cloud-centric app. OneNote 2016 is what is needed in my company. It is more centric to local storage, and putting notebooks on file shares. This is why I put 2016 in the subject of the email, when I started this thread.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Here is the link to the webinar Microsoft Accessibility did in April on One Note.  I haven’t listened to it, but hopefully  there are some good nuggets of info in here.

http://aka.ms/april2019webinar

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I found the following website which may help those struggling with One Note as it has many keyboard shortcut suggestions.

 

http://www.doitblind.com/guides/index.php?guide=oneNote

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

David Griffith
 

I just tried running One Note for Office 16 version and I can tell it is awkward.

Just to check I got most joy with getting to more useful parts of the screen by using the F6 key to circulate through the different elements of the screen.

Have you been doing this?

I also found control alt and M opened up a move dialogue for moving pages in One Note though I did not pursue this as I had only   typed a load of rubbish to create a test note.

I will have a look to see if there is a list of any useful keyboard shortcuts which may help more.

David  Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Walker, Michael E
Sent: 14 November 2019 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Robin, Microsoft is promoting OneNote for Windows 10, which is a stand-alone cloud-centric app. OneNote 2016 is what is needed in my company. It is more centric to local storage, and putting notebooks on file shares. This is why I put 2016 in the subject of the email, when I started this thread.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Here is the link to the webinar Microsoft Accessibility did in April on One Note.  I haven’t listened to it, but hopefully  there are some good nuggets of info in here.

http://aka.ms/april2019webinar

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I found the following website which may help those struggling with One Note as it has many keyboard shortcut suggestions.

 

http://www.doitblind.com/guides/index.php?guide=oneNote

 

 

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From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Walker, Michael E
 

Robin, Microsoft is promoting OneNote for Windows 10, which is a stand-alone cloud-centric app. OneNote 2016 is what is needed in my company. It is more centric to local storage, and putting notebooks on file shares. This is why I put 2016 in the subject of the email, when I started this thread.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Here is the link to the webinar Microsoft Accessibility did in April on One Note.  I haven’t listened to it, but hopefully  there are some good nuggets of info in here.

http://aka.ms/april2019webinar

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I found the following website which may help those struggling with One Note as it has many keyboard shortcut suggestions.

 

http://www.doitblind.com/guides/index.php?guide=oneNote

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

Walker, Michael E
 

I wouldn’t call JAWS a joke, or not job ready. I do agree that a lot of improvement is needed though, to allow more opportunities for employment.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rod
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

That’s why I always said JAWS is useful but a joke. Freedomscientific needs more competent leadership to address the Job Access part of the software. The updates have been gimmicks. Recently and still up to now, we have been having issues with track changes. This is a big joke in 2019.

 

 

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: David Griffith

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated jaws and updates

Gery Gaubert
 

I think fs just like Apple is focused on a release a year rather than content.  Lately the updates offer little that the majority of users need.  There isn’t that much money if they wait until they have something major to release.

moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

Rod
 

That’s why I always said JAWS is useful but a joke. Freedomscientific needs more competent leadership to address the Job Access part of the software. The updates have been gimmicks. Recently and still up to now, we have been having issues with track changes. This is a big joke in 2019.
 
 
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation
 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Rod
 

I just ordered the scripts from Bryan, for the windows app. I am waiting for him to send them my way. I will test and let you know!





Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,
Wow! If that's the case, that's really sad.
What do we do now?

Thanks,

Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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Rod
 

That is also my understanding. I believe he was hired by Vispero.




Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has
abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Rod
 

Onenote blind scripts are old and was never fully developed, from my opinion.
 

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation
 

 

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

To: jfw@groups.io

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Van Lant, Robin
 

Here is the link to the webinar Microsoft Accessibility did in April on One Note.  I haven’t listened to it, but hopefully  there are some good nuggets of info in here.

http://aka.ms/april2019webinar

 

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I found the following website which may help those struggling with One Note as it has many keyboard shortcut suggestions.

 

http://www.doitblind.com/guides/index.php?guide=oneNote

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Walker, Michael E
 

Mario, with scripts abandoned, do you know of scripts that are still being actively maintained? I am trying to trace through this email chain, so apologies if someone else already answered. Please send the link.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Jessica D
 

Hi,
Wow! If that's the case, that's really sad.
What do we do now?

Thanks,

Jessica

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Mario
 

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has
abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.

On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@...
<mailto:michael.walker199014@...>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...
<mailto:rodalcidonis@...>> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you
are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from
disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If
you received this communication in error, please contact the sender
immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic
or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal
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Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or
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moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

NFB Lab 4
 

It costs $15. If you install the scripts, restart JAWS, then launch One Note, there will be a series of prompts for payment.

 

I am not sure if it is worthwhile scince I do not use One Note. I just wanted to help you out.

 

Thom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

 

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

 

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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moderated ooking for an accessible multi-platfrom podcast app?

Jessica D
 

Hi,

I’m looking for an accessible app for podcasts that works on the following platforms:

 

Windows, mac, Android, IOS, and Alexa.

 

Does anyone know of any app that meets these criteria?

 

Right now, I’m using pocket casts, but its not accessible with jaws.

It doesn’t work very well on the mac either.

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

moderated Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Jessica D
 

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

 

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

 

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

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From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

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From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 04:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar. 

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar. 

 

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic? 

If not, they definately should. 

 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does not work with your Office 365 installation?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general. 

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work properly with jaws 2020? 

Thanks,

Jessica 

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@...> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

 

Rod,

 


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

 

From: Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

Subject: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonable accommodation

 

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10. However, there are security challenges in my company, because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.

 



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