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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
JM Casey
Yeah, Windows 10 is a little quick to panic about programmes not “answering”. It’s cute. I have winamp set to run in compatibility mode but I still get th is message sometimes. Goes away fairly quickly but, still – seems to be my first experience with a Windows oS being quite so demanding.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 10, 2019 4:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
As an addendum, I found out tonight that if you run the troubleshoot compatibility settings on the HJ Pad program shortcut, just use the application key to bring up the troubleshoot compatibility option and hit enter on use recommended settings this resolves the delay in HJ Pad loading with messages about the program not responding. Now it is loading like lightning, as fast as Notepad. David Griffith
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From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sadly I think the answer to all of your questions is no. This is why I think FS, given that they appear not to have touch HJPad for over a decade at least should consider releasing its code into public domain where VI community programmers could possibly transform its usefulness. Alternatively someone in-house could probably tweak it very quickly so that at least it would be possible to repair the user dictionaries function which over time would greatly assist a more helpful spell checking experience. Getting Jaws to announce formatting change when hotkeys are used to apply bold and so on would also make it seem more modern. I have not contacted FS about this but if there is sufficient support here I may do so. David Griffith
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From: JM Casey
Hey.
Interesting post. I have known about this programme but never bothered to use it, since I’ve got several word processors and text editors at my disposal already. But your point about the spell-check is well taken. I use Word most of the time if I want to be “professional”, but I’ve stuck with 2016 non-subscription. The spell-check works alright, but it’s not exactly the nicest thing. I believe my spelling is accurate 99% of the time, so it’s not something I use much, but certainly for “pro” writing, I still believe in being cautious.
Can you do anything with the HJ-Pad dictionary at all? What languages does it recognise? Can you import other dictionaries? From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Dear List I think many people forget that for over a decade now there has been a basic word processor provided with Jaws called HJ Pad. On my system it is located in C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2020\HJPAD.EXE This is potentially a very useful utility. However it is unfortunately showing its age and takes a few seconds to load on my machine, normally after windows reporting a not responding message which then disappears. This utility badly needs updating in other areas also but remains useful. Whilst this is by no means a fully fledge Word Processor in the style of Word many Word shortcuts work here. For example control H will bring up the replace dialogue with options for replace all etc. It also provide basic formatting with, if you need it bold, underline italics etc . You will need however to use Jaws key plus F to confirm format information changes.
However I think the most valuable aspect to this little word processing utility lays not in format control but it extremely easy and accessible Spell checking functionality.
I find spellchecking in Word office subscription version increasingly un-intuitive. I can sort of use it but sometimes it appears to inexplicably miss obvious spelling errors. This is probably my user error but I never had problems with spell checking in earlier versions of Word and I do get a little lost amongst the mass of Grammar options Word now provides.
As result I am a little untrusting of Word, , especially for blog posting.
For quick and dirty checking of Blog posts HJPad is an option. The Spell Checker is not modern, a little limited in vocabulary and any attempt to add a word to a User Dictionary results in an error message. Nevertheless the Spell Checker is like stepping back in time to the easy early Word Spell Checking dialogues and for quick blog checking is I think, still a useful free tool for Jaws Users. I wish FS would devote just a little effort to update this utility as I am sure others would find it really useful with a little tweaking. With a slightly improved dictionary, and the repair of the broken ability to add words to a User dictionary it would really come in useful. Also a basic script so that Jaws announces bold on and off as control b and other formatting changes are made would also update this utility mightily. If FS really cannot devote any time to updating this utility then perhaps they could make it open source and freeware so that the VIP programming community could take this little product forward and develop it to the benefit of screen reading users everywhere. It could then rise from obscurity to have a new life to assist many of us. David Griffith
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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
Maria Campbell
f7 invokes the spellcheck in HJPad.
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Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/10/2019 5:45 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Well, I'm confused by this post -- David over there already said Hj-Pad
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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
JM Casey
Well, I'm confused by this post -- David over there already said Hj-Pad
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comes with a spell-check. I took his word for it because I don't think I've even run the thing once.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota Sent: November 10, 2019 4:50 PM To: daj.griffith@... Cc: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad Hello All, Its been a long while since Freedom Scientific has provided HJPad and if you look at it very carefully and compare it with Wordpad, a simple and small word processor that is bundled with Windows for as long as I can remember, it is almost identical. Freedom Scientific provides HJPad more as a notepad and it was not designed for serious writing. You could think of it as a way to create a shopping list and print it on a printer so that when you go shopping with someone that person can refer to it when helping you find items in the grocery store. Now, I have heard that there is a spelling dictionary that can be linked to HJPad but I don't know if it is still available and how well it works or even how accessible it is. I personally don't think that Freedom Scientific/Vispero will ever turn this little program HJPad to the point where you wilol have a spell checker/dictionary as then, it will cost us more to have the program as they probably will have to buy a license for the spell checker/dictionary to be added.
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
The spell checker is still their.
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On 11/10/2019 4:50 PM, Milton Ota wrote:
Hello All,
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Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
Hello All,
Its been a long while since Freedom Scientific has provided HJPad and if you look at it very carefully and compare it with Wordpad, a simple and small word processor that is bundled with Windows for as long as I can remember, it is almost identical. Freedom Scientific provides HJPad more as a notepad and it was not designed for serious writing. You could think of it as a way to create a shopping list and print it on a printer so that when you go shopping with someone that person can refer to it when helping you find items in the grocery store. Now, I have heard that there is a spelling dictionary that can be linked to HJPad but I don't know if it is still available and how well it works or even how accessible it is. I personally don't think that Freedom Scientific/Vispero will ever turn this little program HJPad to the point where you wilol have a spell checker/dictionary as then, it will cost us more to have the program as they probably will have to buy a license for the spell checker/dictionary to be added.
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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
David Griffith
As an addendum, I found out tonight that if you run the troubleshoot compatibility settings on the HJ Pad program shortcut, just use the application key to bring up the troubleshoot compatibility option and hit enter on use recommended settings this resolves the delay in HJ Pad loading with messages about the program not responding. Now it is loading like lightning, as fast as Notepad. David Griffith
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From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 10 November 2019 20:19 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
Sadly I think the answer to all of your questions is no. This is why I think FS, given that they appear not to have touch HJPad for over a decade at least should consider releasing its code into public domain where VI community programmers could possibly transform its usefulness. Alternatively someone in-house could probably tweak it very quickly so that at least it would be possible to repair the user dictionaries function which over time would greatly assist a more helpful spell checking experience. Getting Jaws to announce formatting change when hotkeys are used to apply bold and so on would also make it seem more modern. I have not contacted FS about this but if there is sufficient support here I may do so. David Griffith
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: JM Casey
Hey.
Interesting post. I have known about this programme but never bothered to use it, since I’ve got several word processors and text editors at my disposal already. But your point about the spell-check is well taken. I use Word most of the time if I want to be “professional”, but I’ve stuck with 2016 non-subscription. The spell-check works alright, but it’s not exactly the nicest thing. I believe my spelling is accurate 99% of the time, so it’s not something I use much, but certainly for “pro” writing, I still believe in being cautious.
Can you do anything with the HJ-Pad dictionary at all? What languages does it recognise? Can you import other dictionaries? From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Dear List I think many people forget that for over a decade now there has been a basic word processor provided with Jaws called HJ Pad. On my system it is located in C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2020\HJPAD.EXE This is potentially a very useful utility. However it is unfortunately showing its age and takes a few seconds to load on my machine, normally after windows reporting a not responding message which then disappears. This utility badly needs updating in other areas also but remains useful. Whilst this is by no means a fully fledge Word Processor in the style of Word many Word shortcuts work here. For example control H will bring up the replace dialogue with options for replace all etc. It also provide basic formatting with, if you need it bold, underline italics etc . You will need however to use Jaws key plus F to confirm format information changes.
However I think the most valuable aspect to this little word processing utility lays not in format control but it extremely easy and accessible Spell checking functionality.
I find spellchecking in Word office subscription version increasingly un-intuitive. I can sort of use it but sometimes it appears to inexplicably miss obvious spelling errors. This is probably my user error but I never had problems with spell checking in earlier versions of Word and I do get a little lost amongst the mass of Grammar options Word now provides.
As result I am a little untrusting of Word, , especially for blog posting.
For quick and dirty checking of Blog posts HJPad is an option. The Spell Checker is not modern, a little limited in vocabulary and any attempt to add a word to a User Dictionary results in an error message. Nevertheless the Spell Checker is like stepping back in time to the easy early Word Spell Checking dialogues and for quick blog checking is I think, still a useful free tool for Jaws Users. I wish FS would devote just a little effort to update this utility as I am sure others would find it really useful with a little tweaking. With a slightly improved dictionary, and the repair of the broken ability to add words to a User dictionary it would really come in useful. Also a basic script so that Jaws announces bold on and off as control b and other formatting changes are made would also update this utility mightily. If FS really cannot devote any time to updating this utility then perhaps they could make it open source and freeware so that the VIP programming community could take this little product forward and develop it to the benefit of screen reading users everywhere. It could then rise from obscurity to have a new life to assist many of us. David Griffith
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David Griffith
Sadly I think the answer to all of your questions is no. This is why I think FS, given that they appear not to have touch HJPad for over a decade at least should consider releasing its code into public domain where VI community programmers could possibly transform its usefulness. Alternatively someone in-house could probably tweak it very quickly so that at least it would be possible to repair the user dictionaries function which over time would greatly assist a more helpful spell checking experience. Getting Jaws to announce formatting change when hotkeys are used to apply bold and so on would also make it seem more modern. I have not contacted FS about this but if there is sufficient support here I may do so. David Griffith
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From: JM Casey
Sent: 10 November 2019 20:08 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
Hey.
Interesting post. I have known about this programme but never bothered to use it, since I’ve got several word processors and text editors at my disposal already. But your point about the spell-check is well taken. I use Word most of the time if I want to be “professional”, but I’ve stuck with 2016 non-subscription. The spell-check works alright, but it’s not exactly the nicest thing. I believe my spelling is accurate 99% of the time, so it’s not something I use much, but certainly for “pro” writing, I still believe in being cautious.
Can you do anything with the HJ-Pad dictionary at all? What languages does it recognise? Can you import other dictionaries? From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Dear List I think many people forget that for over a decade now there has been a basic word processor provided with Jaws called HJ Pad. On my system it is located in C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2020\HJPAD.EXE This is potentially a very useful utility. However it is unfortunately showing its age and takes a few seconds to load on my machine, normally after windows reporting a not responding message which then disappears. This utility badly needs updating in other areas also but remains useful. Whilst this is by no means a fully fledge Word Processor in the style of Word many Word shortcuts work here. For example control H will bring up the replace dialogue with options for replace all etc. It also provide basic formatting with, if you need it bold, underline italics etc . You will need however to use Jaws key plus F to confirm format information changes.
However I think the most valuable aspect to this little word processing utility lays not in format control but it extremely easy and accessible Spell checking functionality.
I find spellchecking in Word office subscription version increasingly un-intuitive. I can sort of use it but sometimes it appears to inexplicably miss obvious spelling errors. This is probably my user error but I never had problems with spell checking in earlier versions of Word and I do get a little lost amongst the mass of Grammar options Word now provides.
As result I am a little untrusting of Word, , especially for blog posting.
For quick and dirty checking of Blog posts HJPad is an option. The Spell Checker is not modern, a little limited in vocabulary and any attempt to add a word to a User Dictionary results in an error message. Nevertheless the Spell Checker is like stepping back in time to the easy early Word Spell Checking dialogues and for quick blog checking is I think, still a useful free tool for Jaws Users. I wish FS would devote just a little effort to update this utility as I am sure others would find it really useful with a little tweaking. With a slightly improved dictionary, and the repair of the broken ability to add words to a User dictionary it would really come in useful. Also a basic script so that Jaws announces bold on and off as control b and other formatting changes are made would also update this utility mightily. If FS really cannot devote any time to updating this utility then perhaps they could make it open source and freeware so that the VIP programming community could take this little product forward and develop it to the benefit of screen reading users everywhere. It could then rise from obscurity to have a new life to assist many of us. David Griffith
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JM Casey
Hey.
Interesting post. I have known about this programme but never bothered to use it, since I’ve got several word processors and text editors at my disposal already. But your point about the spell-check is well taken. I use Word most of the time if I want to be “professional”, but I’ve stuck with 2016 non-subscription. The spell-check works alright, but it’s not exactly the nicest thing. I believe my spelling is accurate 99% of the time, so it’s not something I use much, but certainly for “pro” writing, I still believe in being cautious.
Can you do anything with the HJ-Pad dictionary at all? What languages does it recognise? Can you import other dictionaries?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 10, 2019 12:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
Dear List I think many people forget that for over a decade now there has been a basic word processor provided with Jaws called HJ Pad. On my system it is located in C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2020\HJPAD.EXE This is potentially a very useful utility. However it is unfortunately showing its age and takes a few seconds to load on my machine, normally after windows reporting a not responding message which then disappears. This utility badly needs updating in other areas also but remains useful. Whilst this is by no means a fully fledge Word Processor in the style of Word many Word shortcuts work here. For example control H will bring up the replace dialogue with options for replace all etc. It also provide basic formatting with, if you need it bold, underline italics etc . You will need however to use Jaws key plus F to confirm format information changes.
However I think the most valuable aspect to this little word processing utility lays not in format control but it extremely easy and accessible Spell checking functionality.
I find spellchecking in Word office subscription version increasingly un-intuitive. I can sort of use it but sometimes it appears to inexplicably miss obvious spelling errors. This is probably my user error but I never had problems with spell checking in earlier versions of Word and I do get a little lost amongst the mass of Grammar options Word now provides.
As result I am a little untrusting of Word, , especially for blog posting.
For quick and dirty checking of Blog posts HJPad is an option. The Spell Checker is not modern, a little limited in vocabulary and any attempt to add a word to a User Dictionary results in an error message. Nevertheless the Spell Checker is like stepping back in time to the easy early Word Spell Checking dialogues and for quick blog checking is I think, still a useful free tool for Jaws Users. I wish FS would devote just a little effort to update this utility as I am sure others would find it really useful with a little tweaking. With a slightly improved dictionary, and the repair of the broken ability to add words to a User dictionary it would really come in useful. Also a basic script so that Jaws announces bold on and off as control b and other formatting changes are made would also update this utility mightily. If FS really cannot devote any time to updating this utility then perhaps they could make it open source and freeware so that the VIP programming community could take this little product forward and develop it to the benefit of screen reading users everywhere. It could then rise from obscurity to have a new life to assist many of us. David Griffith
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Re: Spotify Desktop program for Windows and accessibility tips if I using JAWS for Windows 2019 or 2020
James English
Hi,
If you press insert+z when you're on the songs, it'll work a lot better. - James On 11/10/19, Anders Boholdt-Petersen <english_correspondences@...> wrote: Hi everyone
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Spotify Desktop program for Windows and accessibility tips if I using JAWS for Windows 2019 or 2020
Anders Boholdt-Petersen
Hi everyone
Have some person on this list some tips and tricks related to how I setup the Spotify Desktop program so I have the best accessibility with the screen reader JAWS for Windows, and also if I should make some adjustment in JAWS?
At the time I write here, I e.g. not can skip to the next song with the hotkeys in the Spotify desktop program (left control+right arrow) when JAWS running. I must closing JAWS with Insert+F4 before the hotkeys working.
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Regards, Anders
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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
David Griffith
Yes this is certainly a workaround. Also increasingly web browsers offer quite accessible spell checking in their edit boxes as well. Because of the clunkiness and unreliability of my spell checking with Word I have often used the spell checking with the Brave browser directly on WordPress as a second line of defence. It would still be useful though to have an accessible light Text/Word Processor like HJ Pad updated so that these workarounds were not necessary. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 November 2019 18:29 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
I use Notepad ++, but I've never spell checked with it. Usually if I need something spellchecked in notepad or on a web field, I open a new eMail message and paste it in there, and press F7 to spell check everything, and then I paste it back with the corrections. Glenn
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Glenn / Lenny
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I use Notepad ++, but I've never spell checked with
it.
Usually if I need something spellchecked in notepad
or on a web field, I open a new eMail message and paste it in there, and press
F7 to spell check everything, and then I paste it back with the
corrections.
Glenn
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David Griffith
I saw some discussion of Notepad ++ on the NVDA list and the conclusion there was that the Notepad ++ spell checker addon was inaccessible even with the help of the NVDA addon but I would be happy to be told otherwise. Another option is of course Jarte which has a spell checker but again I find this less than easy to use with a screenreader, certainly not as easy as HJ Pad or the old style Word. In the past I have tried Open and Libre Office but now avoid these as, apart from clunky accessibility in many areas they seemed to have an overly major impact on my Windows install and I ended up re-installing Windows to return to a cleaner leaner system. The advantage of a small exe file like HJPad is that it is not a huge install impacting on general Windows usage and does not try to grab filetypes etc. For itself. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 10 November 2019 17:09 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
There are some good open source word processors, such as Notpad ++ I don't know if it spell checks though. Glenn
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Re: The best accessible IP-scanner with JAWS
John Covici
use the ccommand line, nmap is a command line program, anything else
is on top of that. On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:47:37 -0500, Glenn / Lenny wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@...
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Re: Spell Checking and HJ Pad
Glenn / Lenny
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There are some good open source word processors,
such as Notpad ++
I don't know if it spell checks
though.
Glenn
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Spell Checking and HJ Pad
David Griffith
Dear List I think many people forget that for over a decade now there has been a basic word processor provided with Jaws called HJ Pad. On my system it is located in C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2020\HJPAD.EXE This is potentially a very useful utility. However it is unfortunately showing its age and takes a few seconds to load on my machine, normally after windows reporting a not responding message which then disappears. This utility badly needs updating in other areas also but remains useful. Whilst this is by no means a fully fledge Word Processor in the style of Word many Word shortcuts work here. For example control H will bring up the replace dialogue with options for replace all etc. It also provide basic formatting with, if you need it bold, underline italics etc . You will need however to use Jaws key plus F to confirm format information changes.
However I think the most valuable aspect to this little word processing utility lays not in format control but it extremely easy and accessible Spell checking functionality.
I find spellchecking in Word office subscription version increasingly un-intuitive. I can sort of use it but sometimes it appears to inexplicably miss obvious spelling errors. This is probably my user error but I never had problems with spell checking in earlier versions of Word and I do get a little lost amongst the mass of Grammar options Word now provides.
As result I am a little untrusting of Word, , especially for blog posting.
For quick and dirty checking of Blog posts HJPad is an option. The Spell Checker is not modern, a little limited in vocabulary and any attempt to add a word to a User Dictionary results in an error message. Nevertheless the Spell Checker is like stepping back in time to the easy early Word Spell Checking dialogues and for quick blog checking is I think, still a useful free tool for Jaws Users. I wish FS would devote just a little effort to update this utility as I am sure others would find it really useful with a little tweaking. With a slightly improved dictionary, and the repair of the broken ability to add words to a User dictionary it would really come in useful. Also a basic script so that Jaws announces bold on and off as control b and other formatting changes are made would also update this utility mightily. If FS really cannot devote any time to updating this utility then perhaps they could make it open source and freeware so that the VIP programming community could take this little product forward and develop it to the benefit of screen reading users everywhere. It could then rise from obscurity to have a new life to assist many of us. David Griffith
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Glenn / Lenny
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Hi,
I currently don't have it installed on this
installation of Windows, but I recall that I may have had to route the jaws
cursor to a lower part of the screen to gather more information on something,
like the name and mac address to be sure that it was located.
It's been over a year since I used it on this
computer, and I reinstalled windows since then.
Glenn
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Anders Boholdt-Petersen
Hi again
I apologize for my late reply. Now I have tried to install N MAP on my computer. When i after that open "Nmap - Zenmap GUI", I only can find a window with not accessible information for JAWS. So how do you use N MAP with JAWS, and how can I via the program find IP-adresses etc. on my connected devices? Thanks in advance. Regards, Anders
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Re: Tandem question
Glenn / Lenny
It worked because you had a newer version.
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Your friend could not tandem into your machine with an older version than you are using. Glenn
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From: "David Goldfield" <david.goldfield@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Tandem question I recently assisted a user via JAWS Tandem. While I was using JAWS 2020
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David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
I recently assisted a user via JAWS Tandem. While I was using JAWS 2020
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I'm fairly certain that she was using an earlier version. I remember being concerned that the connection would not go through as I do remember a time when both machines needed to be on the same version but it actually worked with no issues. David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/9/2019 3:48 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
If you are on the controlling machine you need the same version they have or
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