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Re: Where in the world are you?

Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonboy13@...>
 

South San Francisco bay area too!
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs

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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dave...
 

South San Francisco Bay Area, California.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 03:31
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Jim J <cassie1110@...>
 

Flintstone, Georgia, here.

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


los Angeles, California.



On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 AM, "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
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I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

lauren
 

Cool.

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Re: Where in the world are you?

RJ Sandefur
 

Dana, I applied to your station. RJ

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I am close by I live in Virginia Richmond area.
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Re: Where in the world are you?

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I am close by I live in Virginia Richmond area.
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Re: Where in the world are you?

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Hi,
I'm from Italy.. The village where I live is called Arpino; it's a small town two hours from Rome.

Regards.
Angela.

Il 05/02/2012 15:55, Joni Colver ha scritto:
Brandon, Florida, just outside of Tampa.

Joni

-----Original Message----- From: Dondi
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Subject: Where in the world are you?

Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
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I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



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Re: Where in the world are you?

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>
 

Brandon, Florida, just outside of Tampa.

Joni

-----Original Message-----
From: Dondi
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:31 AM
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Subject: Where in the world are you?

Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

Angel,

The reality is that Utilities are not free to charge what they like.
The Government Regulates them. Whether you think that regulation
particularly effective is another question but the fact that it exists
shows that sighted people do exactly what you are saying they do not
do, they prevent such companies from charging above a certain rate.
They do this because such utilities are essential services.

As for your other points, I think you'll find it's called "the welfare
state", something many people in the US seem particularly
uncomfortable with.

If you really think it's ok to leave people to starve in the streets
and die in the ditches, then I guess you can go without a welfare net
of any kind, otherwise one of some sort is necessary and the question
becomes one of degree.

On 2/5/12, lauren <childress54@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh come on i can't believe you think that people want to see us on the
dull. has it ever occured to you that maybe just maybe some of us don't
have jobs because of other issues?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

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If one receives from his rehabilitation agency Jaws which was paid for by that rehabilitation agency. Then saves 10 dollars a month to pay for the succeeding upgrades he can afford to maintain the product. It is similar to the open book product. My Nigerian blind friend marveled at how much money so-called "poor" blind people he knew in America wasted on frivolities. While complaining about the lack of affordability of certain specialized products. Now, he came from a country wherein as a child his father couldn't afford to purchase shoes. Another blind Nigerian friend just yesterday told me the incentive for him to get an education and eventually to obtain his doctorate was that well educated people whom he knew as a child did have things such as shoes. Understanding this, how can we complain about the expense of a product when, should we not be able to afford it can get demonstration copies which would serve till we could afford to purchase the product outright. Or alternatively, we could get NVDA till we were able to save the money to purchase the product we desired.

----- Original Message -----
From: "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Have you ever considered saving for new technology? It helps, believe me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I understand and also encourage people not to see blind and disabled
people as charity cases but currently the few who's starting to
understand rather see's blind and disabled people as people wanting to
live as normal as possible lives but who's being ripped off by
companies just because they can't do without assistive devices. As I
previously mentioned, in our country you can buy the stuff and then a
year later clame it back from the government as part of your income
tax. What we're currently fighting for is for the government just to
buy the people the stuff in the first place because even though you
can get the money back in a years time, most people still don't have
the type of money to buy something as expensive as jaws, and no bank
will borrow you money for a year without paying it back with some
interest. But as someone else also mentioned the probblem is those few
people who takes advantage of the situation and who will apply for
more products than they need and then sell the products or something
to make themselves some money.

On 2/4/12, Kerri <kootenaycreek@gmail.com> wrote:
I do respect that rehabilitation services can and do provide these computers
for individuals. But what happens when, as has been my case, I had to
purchase all my equipment out of pocket? I did attend university but here in
Canada, one can only obtain equipment if one maintains a good grade point
average which I could not do due to no accessible books nor readers. I do
not say this to enlist pity but to say that so9me people do not have access
to any funding.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:18 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my
blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist
those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and
computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will
be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will
be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation so I,for one
am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to
understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals
who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever
reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so
helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in
heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them.
I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons
feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something constructive for yourself.

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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more
people around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially
a 3rd world country compared to America and England. I can aford a
computer, software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in
this country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more
than half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to
aford their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is,
what happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the
main streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind
people because they know, the blind people need their products to
funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog.
plus you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am
in canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50
for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have
used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do
with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell
you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the
case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your
dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including
transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you,
this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of
respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the
lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise
it's rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi
accessible software which I can access better with NVDA than
with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned, does it really
cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite,
that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15
or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay about
equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from
the government through income tax but you must still have the
cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before you can
claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only
I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in
my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail
regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid
government benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of
making things equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would
justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of
subsidied agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full
price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit
Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who
wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg
le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Tom Lange
 

los Angeles, California.

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:31 AM, "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

RJ Sandefur
 

I'm from Okeechobee Florida. My name is RJ. I know where Freeport is. Close to Sanabell Island! My skype name is smallistbaby1979

----- Original Message -----
From: "lauren" <childress54@gmail.com>
To: <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


hi I'm from Florida, a little town called freeport about an hour or so outside of Panama city.

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

lauren
 

Oh come on i can't believe you think that people want to see us on the dull. has it ever occured to you that maybe just maybe some of us don't have jobs because of other issues?

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Re: Where in the world are you?

cecropia64
 

SORRY MY FRIEND. BUT I'M ONLY IN CONNECTICUT. A FEW STATES AWAY BUT CERTAINLY NOT IN A FOREIGN LAND. ALTHOUGH, SOME MAY DIFFER WITH THAT. TAKE CARE. STEWART

On 2/5/2012 9:02 AM, Dondi wrote:
Welcome Juan,

Nice to hear from someone from Uruguay.

Thanks.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

Hello,
I am from Montevideo - Uruguay.

Best,
Juan.

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Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Hello Sameer,

Nice to here from you, all the way in India. I will add your name and info
to my list of people from around the world.
Thanks for responding.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Dear Friend,

I am from Mumbai, India.

My city is known as the commercial capital of the country& is the largest
metropolis in the country.

Your Friend
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many
places around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to
me would like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

RJ Sandefur
 

I've done the same thing! GW Micro wants 800 dollars for their products, but you can get a leace to own for windo eyes. RJ

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World


okay I understand the need for lower prices in the developing countries, but what about making it a bit lower heere in the US? I don't use JFW anymore after calling fs to find out how much it would cost to update from version 7 to a more recent version and finding out what they wanted was much more then i could afford.

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Re: Where in the world are you?

lauren
 

hi I'm from Florida, a little town called freeport about an hour or so outside of Panama city.

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Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

lauren
 

okay I understand the need for lower prices in the developing countries, but what about making it a bit lower heere in the US? I don't use JFW anymore after calling fs to find out how much it would cost to update from version 7 to a more recent version and finding out what they wanted was much more then i could afford.

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Angel
 

Jobs we use to do have since become obsolete, and have been replaced with others. Not to mention the creative nature of us blind who have found a place for our talents among the self Employed. My late husbands blind Aunt sold products on the street in the 1930's to the early 1950's in my city. She made enough to hire for herself a full time personal companion. I don't know the extent of her personal independence. But, we have always been able to make very fine livings and lives for ourselves historically. The above was just a personal observation from hearing what my husband use to say concerning his black blind Aunt. She was a marvelous role model for his personal independence in his adventure as a blind person.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Before computers the blind did what others did, make do with what was
available. Jobs for the blind were not easily acquired and accessing info
was very difficult to say the least.

Computers in the 80s were in the several thousands of dollars and text to
speech software was over $1,000 not to mention the synthesizer cost that had
to be purchased in order to accommodate the text to speech software. Yes
there was more than one or two companies who produced screen readers, but
they are no longer in business.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it quoted
on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions require that
it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets
where the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is
on the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on those
who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed,
rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is
less in third world countries than is the case here. So, firms
often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a product
sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will be made.
So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of the piracy
is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community. I say that computer access very definitely is a human
right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop, what
it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep
actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route of
theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my family
financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy
of the program easily and legally for as long as you like (to
my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but apparently
the frequent restarting of the computer is too inconvenient for
you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag about
it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of
business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dondi
 

Welcome Juan,

Nice to hear from someone from Uruguay.

Thanks.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?

Hello,
I am from Montevideo - Uruguay.

Best,
Juan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dondi
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Hello Sameer,

Nice to here from you, all the way in India. I will add your name and info
to my list of people from around the world.
Thanks for responding.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Dear Friend,

I am from Mumbai, India.

My city is known as the commercial capital of the country & is the largest
metropolis in the country.

Your Friend
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many
places around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to
me would like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Angel
 

Why don't you all get a petition together to ask the utility companies in each city throughout this fruited plain to stop charging for water,fuel to heat and electricity to light our homes. After all, without such we couldn't be able to use computers at all. et alone screen readers. Many countries in the third world have intermittent electricity. So we are indeed fortunate to have electricity and fuel to count on should we pay our utility bills. Blind people feel they are entitled to all sorts of things they are not. You don't see sighted people saying to the automobile manufacturers the prices of cars ought to be lowered to accommodate those who can't afford new cars. Or petitions to insurance companies saying people below the poverty level can't afford mandated insurance. So the cost of each should be lowered. Why should it be different for the blind. The upshot of this is: Do we want to be thought of as contributing members of society or do we want others to think of us as whining charity cases. I believe the reason more of us don't have jobs is because the general public is contented to see we are on the dole. Because it makes it easier for them not to have to make their positions accessible for us to do.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I completged much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath the time I worked as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It wasn't easy and it took more time for me to complete tasks than my sighted peers but I did it. As I told my students, life isn't, not will it ever be, fair and if you want to succeed you need to put out the extra effort to be/do what you want. Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning people to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the happiest and most productive are those who have been responsible for themselves and have worked hard with the opportunities they have had... and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts have taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And as for pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that is breaking the law and there sould be some sort of negative consequences.

Sandy


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From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community. I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holloway"<rholloway@gopbc.org>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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