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moderated SMA

David Griffith
 

Changed the subject.

Not saying you have to upgrade at all but just to say that an SMA is available not only in the US but also in the UK from Jaws distributors including Sight and Sound. I personally have 2.

What you need to watch out for is that the effective price of your SMA doubles if you do not keep them up to date and you find then you have to pay the full upgrade price, this typically applies as soon as the next Jaws version in any year comes out. So if you have 2019  without any SMA left you can pay for an additional SMA up until Jaws 2020 comes out.  But if your SMA has run out and you have not renewed in time you have to pay for the full upgrade price.

The cheapest way to get on the program is to wait until the summer and then hopefully you will find the Upgrade price reduced during conventions in July.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: 26 September 2019 22:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Hey.

 

Well, I appreciate what you’re saying, but if you read my message, you’ll see that I *haven’t*  been having this problem with Jaws  2018, whereas it seems like most of the people who do have this problem are using Jaws 2019.

This thing you describe about the SMA – I believe it only applies to US customers, also.

Although I do know a way that I can upgrade fairly cheaply, it’s through a plan my old employer had arranged with Optiliech,  and I don’t work there anymore. 8grins*

 

Microsoft claims that any screen-reader that supports Windows 1903 should also support 1909.

But we will see. At least I have NVDA also if I get stuck. I’m less worried about the oS and more concerned about changes in web browsers. Recently Microsoft made some major changes to skype which caused JAWS 2018 scripts to stop functioning correctly. Now that was a pain in the arse.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 25, 2019 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes to the OS.

 

 

On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Huh.

Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been screwed up somewhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.

 

I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 

 


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

JM Casey
 

Yes, that’s what I was referring to also; I don’t know though, I hardly pay attention to how many items JAWS says are in a list view; if I really want to know, I just read the status line, for which JAWS has a command which, for me, has always worked. Mostly what puzzles me is that some say the status line only shows the number of items displayed on the screen – that seems quite odd and even a bit useless.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 26, 2019 5:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I hear you. But I was referring to the item count issue as I dont seem to have any problems with that.

Every time one thing is fixed another is broken! That is our lot in this new era. But over all it is so much better than it used to be!

 

On 9/26/2019 2:28 PM, JM Casey wrote:
> > Hey. > > > > Well, I appreciate what you’re saying, but if you read my message, > you’ll see that I **haven’t** been having this problem with Jaws > 2018, whereas it seems like most of the people who do have this > problem are using Jaws 2019. > > This thing you describe about the SMA – I believe it only applies to > US customers, also. > > Although I do know a way that I can upgrade fairly cheaply, it’s > through a plan my old employer had arranged with Optiliech, and I > don’t work there anymore. 8grins* > > > > Microsoft claims that any screen-reader that supports Windows 1903 > should also support 1909. > > But we will see. At least I have NVDA also if I get stuck. I’m less > worried about the oS and more concerned about changes in web > browsers. Recently Microsoft made some major changes to skype which > caused JAWS 2018 scripts to stop functioning correctly. Now that was > a pain in the arse. > > > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Randy > Barnett *Sent:* September 25, 2019 7:53 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > *Subject:* Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is > upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue > and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the > headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes > to the OS. > > > > > > On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote: > > Huh. > > Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying > for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status > line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That > definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really > shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if > it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been > screwed up somewhere. > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Randy > Barnett *Sent:* September 23, 2019 11:18 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: accurate item counts in > file explorer windows > > > > I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with > insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. > and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me. > > We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you. > > On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote: > > I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is > correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was > correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the > folder/file count which is the last thing to be read. > > Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA > 2019.2. > > > > I came in late so did I miss something important? > > On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote: > > Adrian… > > Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of > items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on > certain circumstances? > > If so, what are those circumstances? > > It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder > for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 > items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical > because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that > only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than > the total count. > > Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set? > > > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of > *Adrian Spratt *Sent:* September 23, 2019 11:58 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Tom, > > > > If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to > happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the > number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of > files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I > described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, > enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count. > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Tom > Behler *Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Adrian: > > > > Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by > switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest. > > > > For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate > file count, until this bug is fixed. > > > > Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions. > > > > By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized. > > > > Tom Behler > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of > *Adrian Spratt *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Dean, > > > > Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen > and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS > is now likely to report the desired information. > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Dean > Martineau *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

I hear you. But I was referring to the item count issue as I dont seem to have any problems with that.

Every time one thing is fixed another is broken! That is our lot in this new era. But over all it is so much better than it used to be!


On 9/26/2019 2:28 PM, JM Casey wrote:
> > Hey. > > > > Well, I appreciate what you’re saying, but if you read my message, > you’ll see that I **haven’t** been having this problem with Jaws > 2018, whereas it seems like most of the people who do have this > problem are using Jaws 2019. > > This thing you describe about the SMA – I believe it only applies to > US customers, also. > > Although I do know a way that I can upgrade fairly cheaply, it’s > through a plan my old employer had arranged with Optiliech, and I > don’t work there anymore. 8grins* > > > > Microsoft claims that any screen-reader that supports Windows 1903 > should also support 1909. > > But we will see. At least I have NVDA also if I get stuck. I’m less > worried about the oS and more concerned about changes in web > browsers. Recently Microsoft made some major changes to skype which > caused JAWS 2018 scripts to stop functioning correctly. Now that was > a pain in the arse. > > > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Randy > Barnett *Sent:* September 25, 2019 7:53 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > *Subject:* Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is > upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue > and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the > headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes > to the OS. > > > > > > On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote: > > Huh. > > Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying > for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status > line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That > definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really > shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if > it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been > screwed up somewhere. > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Randy > Barnett *Sent:* September 23, 2019 11:18 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: accurate item counts in > file explorer windows > > > > I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with > insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. > and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me. > > We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you. > > On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote: > > I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is > correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was > correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the > folder/file count which is the last thing to be read. > > Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA > 2019.2. > > > > I came in late so did I miss something important? > > On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote: > > Adrian… > > Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of > items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on > certain circumstances? > > If so, what are those circumstances? > > It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder > for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 > items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical > because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that > only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than > the total count. > > Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set? > > > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of > *Adrian Spratt *Sent:* September 23, 2019 11:58 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Tom, > > > > If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to > happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the > number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of > files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I > described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, > enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count. > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Tom > Behler *Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Adrian: > > > > Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by > switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest. > > > > For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate > file count, until this bug is fixed. > > > > Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions. > > > > By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized. > > > > Tom Behler > > > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of > *Adrian Spratt *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: > accurate item counts in file explorer windows > > > > Dean, > > > > Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen > and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS > is now likely to report the desired information. > > > > *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Dean > Martineau *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM *To:* > main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

JM Casey
 

Hey.

 

Well, I appreciate what you’re saying, but if you read my message, you’ll see that I *haven’t*  been having this problem with Jaws  2018, whereas it seems like most of the people who do have this problem are using Jaws 2019.

This thing you describe about the SMA – I believe it only applies to US customers, also.

Although I do know a way that I can upgrade fairly cheaply, it’s through a plan my old employer had arranged with Optiliech,  and I don’t work there anymore. 8grins*

 

Microsoft claims that any screen-reader that supports Windows 1903 should also support 1909.

But we will see. At least I have NVDA also if I get stuck. I’m less worried about the oS and more concerned about changes in web browsers. Recently Microsoft made some major changes to skype which caused JAWS 2018 scripts to stop functioning correctly. Now that was a pain in the arse.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 25, 2019 7:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes to the OS.

 

 

On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Huh.

Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been screwed up somewhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.

 

I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: FS Reader

David Griffith
 

You can listen to any Audio Mp3 Book with FS Reader using the free Daisy Book Generator software.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bd049hx88zoj5jr/daisybook%20generator%201_90.zip?dl=1

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: 26 September 2019 18:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: FS Reader

 

Where do you get books in the DAISY format to use with the FS Reader?

What other uses does the FS reader have?

Thanks

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: FS Reader

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

Hi,
One source is Bookshare if you have an account and download books in the DAISY format.

Another, if you have an NFB-Newsline account, and receive your news as an e-mail attachment, those files attached to the e-mail arein the DAISY format.

HTH
Original message:

Where do you get books in the DAISY format to use with the FS Reader?
What other uses does the FS reader have?
Thanks


moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

Randy Barnett
 

Did you do this with a screen reader? I cant get past the second screen. Not that I want an account I was just trying to help the OP.

On 9/26/2019 9:46 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I've never seen the point in the Guest account (as such) anyway.  You can set up a local account with standard privileges, and without a password unless that's changed very recently, and have the same thing.  I've created a local account named Visitor for that purpose on some machines.

Why go through a bunch of gyrations to get something you can create via the regular Accounts settings?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Creating a local account under Windows 10 (Version 1903 used for steps)
 
1. Open Settings, Accounts, Family & Other Users Pane.
 
2. Navigate to the Add someone else to this PC button.  Activate it.  (It's under the Other users section)
 
3.  The Microsoft Account dialog will open, asking for an e-mail or phone number, but since you're trying to create a local account activate the I don't have this person's sign in information link instead.
 
4.  In the next screen of the dialog, Create Account, activate the Add a user without a Microsoft account link.
 
5.  In the next screen, Create an account for this PC, enter the user name you want in the edit box Who's going to use this PC?   If you wish to have a password, then in the two edit boxes under Make it secure, enter the password and enter it again.  If you don't want a password, leave those blank.
 
You're done.  The account will be created as a local account with standard privileges and should now appear on your login screen as one you can choose from.

This has been the method for a while now, though I can't remember which version I was using when I last created a local account before creating one now to get through the steps above.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: FS Reader

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Don. If the books aren't huge, you can read BookShare Daisy Text books in FS Reader.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: FS Reader

Where do you get books in the DAISY format to use with the FS Reader?
What other uses does the FS reader have?
Thanks


moderated FS Reader

Don H
 

Where do you get books in the DAISY format to use with the FS Reader? What other uses does the FS reader have?
Thanks


moderated Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

Van Lant, Robin
 

Here is my approach for saving attachments.  Use Insert A to put focus in the attachments line.  Arrow left and right to the ones you want or select them all with Control A.  Hit Control C to copy, then open File Explorer with Windows E or a shortcut on your desktop and paste the files where you want.  Since I have shortcuts to my primary folders on my desktop, this is my preferred way of saving attachments.  The only time this doesn’t work is when the sender used the RTF message format and the attachments are embedded within the message body.  In that case, I do go up to the  Outlook file menu and use Save all Attachmetns.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Thanks. That will work when sending attachments, but when saving attachments I get via e-mail I need another solution.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

I’m not sure about reassigning the keystrokes to move around the panes, as this is a Microsoft keystroke, but I’ll point out that Shift F6 and F6 do the trick and require a bit less finger gymnastics from the key combo you mentioned.  I’ve put a few tactile bumps on my keyboard to help me quickly determine function keys.

 

As for attaching files, I’m still on Office 2016 and don’t have the issue you describe.  However, I’d like to suggest a solid method for adding attachments that I prefer.  Use the Windows File Explorer to find the files you want. Hit Control C to copy.  Then, when focus is in the message body of your email, just hit Control V to paste and your attachment is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John



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moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

I've never seen the point in the Guest account (as such) anyway.  You can set up a local account with standard privileges, and without a password unless that's changed very recently, and have the same thing.  I've created a local account named Visitor for that purpose on some machines.

Why go through a bunch of gyrations to get something you can create via the regular Accounts settings?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Creating a local account under Windows 10 (Version 1903 used for steps)
 
1. Open Settings, Accounts, Family & Other Users Pane.
 
2. Navigate to the Add someone else to this PC button.  Activate it.  (It's under the Other users section)
 
3.  The Microsoft Account dialog will open, asking for an e-mail or phone number, but since you're trying to create a local account activate the I don't have this person's sign in information link instead.
 
4.  In the next screen of the dialog, Create Account, activate the Add a user without a Microsoft account link.
 
5.  In the next screen, Create an account for this PC, enter the user name you want in the edit box Who's going to use this PC?   If you wish to have a password, then in the two edit boxes under Make it secure, enter the password and enter it again.  If you don't want a password, leave those blank.
 
You're done.  The account will be created as a local account with standard privileges and should now appear on your login screen as one you can choose from.

This has been the method for a while now, though I can't remember which version I was using when I last created a local account before creating one now to get through the steps above.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

Why not call Microsoft Accessibility and get them to help you with it since I am almost 100% certain it can still be done just fine.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

Darn! MS wants to know everything we do on our PC's! I cant find any way to setup an offline account in v1903.

even with the command line method I used before I cant do it. The link for setup an offline account wont activate. No mention of an guest account anywhere.

On 9/24/2019 9:02 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 PC.  I have read about four alternative ways to setup the “Guest” account in Windows 10.  Two of them involve doing it through the command prompt, one involves doing it through setting up “group policies” and the fourth one involves doing it through “computer management.”  From what I have read, all of the first three methods do not really work correctly and are problematic.  So, about the fourth method, does anyone have experience with it?  Is it the right way to do it?  Basically, I want a *real* “Guest” account that 1) appears on the sign-in screen, 2) requires no sign-in password, 3) and has more restrictions than does a traditional  “restricted” account among other of the “Guest” account’s limitations.  Note, from what I have read, those first three methods do not have the same level of limitations as does a real “Guest” account, among other problems with those methods.

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated J2019.1909.28 Update + What's New In This Build

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
Below is the download link and what's new in this J2019.1909.28 build.
 
32 & 64 bit:
 
 
What's new:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1909.28 (September 2019)
 
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the August 2019 update and the September 2019 update.
 
list of 9 items
• For single-user perpetual licenses, JAWS, Fusion, and ZoomText 2019 now check to see if an update to your license is available when the software first
starts. For instance, you recently purchased or renewed a Software Maintenance Agreement (SMA). You will then have the option to update the license on
your local computer. This allows you to install major releases in the future you are licensed to run without having to go through the authorization process
after the install.
• While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.
• You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the
web.
• Resolved a reported issue where JAWS and Word would become unresponsive when attempting to edit a long comment.
• By default in Word and Outlook, JAWS will no longer announce "Alt SHIFT F10 to adjust Auto Correction" when you move to something that was auto corrected
previously.
• The AutoCorrect Detection option, previously only available in the Quick Settings for Word, can now also be changed in the Quick Settings for Outlook
(INSERT+V).
• JAWS and Fusion will no longer gather and announce the count of all the objects, misspellings, grammatical errors, and so on when a document is opened
in Word. This will enable documents to load much faster, including very large documents containing a lot of these items. You can always press INSERT+F1
for an overview of what the document contains.
• If the Table Display option located under the Braille group in Quick Settings is set to Current Row or Current Column, addressed a reported issue where
the current row or column was not being shown on the braille display as expected while navigating tables in Java applications.
• Resolved translation issues with the Hungarian Liblouis braille table.
list end
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes to the OS.



On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Huh.

Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been screwed up somewhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.

 

I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

JOHN RIEHL
 

Thanks. That will work when sending attachments, but when saving attachments I get via e-mail I need another solution.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

I’m not sure about reassigning the keystrokes to move around the panes, as this is a Microsoft keystroke, but I’ll point out that Shift F6 and F6 do the trick and require a bit less finger gymnastics from the key combo you mentioned.  I’ve put a few tactile bumps on my keyboard to help me quickly determine function keys.

 

As for attaching files, I’m still on Office 2016 and don’t have the issue you describe.  However, I’d like to suggest a solid method for adding attachments that I prefer.  Use the Windows File Explorer to find the files you want. Hit Control C to copy.  Then, when focus is in the message body of your email, just hit Control V to paste and your attachment is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John



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moderated Re: New feature in Edge Dev

Randy Barnett
 

Well, This was taken directly from my browsers you have been updated to the latest version page  after opening it. But like you I cant find it either.

On 9/24/2019 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Is this maybe still part of the Canary built? I had an Edge Dev update today and I'm now on "Version 79.0.279.0 (Official build) dev (64-bit)" and I can find no such feature in Settings > Site Permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New feature in Edge Dev

The latest release of Edge Dev has introduced a feature we all can benefit from:

Prevent videos from playing automatically To address a top request we've heard in feedback, we have introduced a setting which allows you prevent media from playing automatically when you arrive on a site.To check this out, just open the Settings and more (...) menu, choose Settings and then Site permissions. Scroll down and click on Media autoplay.
You can choose from three options: Allow, Block, and Limit. Allow is the default and will place no autoplay restrictions on sites. The Block option will prevent media from playing automatically on all sites, and the Limit option will determine whether to block autoplay based on how you've used media on a given site in the past.Give this a try and let us know how it works for you. We'd be especially interested to know if this isn't working on a particular website.






moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

Randy Barnett
 

Darn! MS wants to know everything we do on our PC's! I cant find any way to setup an offline account in v1903.

even with the command line method I used before I cant do it. The link for setup an offline account wont activate. No mention of an guest account anywhere.

On 9/24/2019 9:02 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 PC.  I have read about four alternative ways to setup the “Guest” account in Windows 10.  Two of them involve doing it through the command prompt, one involves doing it through setting up “group policies” and the fourth one involves doing it through “computer management.”  From what I have read, all of the first three methods do not really work correctly and are problematic.  So, about the fourth method, does anyone have experience with it?  Is it the right way to do it?  Basically, I want a *real* “Guest” account that 1) appears on the sign-in screen, 2) requires no sign-in password, 3) and has more restrictions than does a traditional  “restricted” account among other of the “Guest” account’s limitations.  Note, from what I have read, those first three methods do not have the same level of limitations as does a real “Guest” account, among other problems with those methods.

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

Van Lant, Robin
 

I’m not sure about reassigning the keystrokes to move around the panes, as this is a Microsoft keystroke, but I’ll point out that Shift F6 and F6 do the trick and require a bit less finger gymnastics from the key combo you mentioned.  I’ve put a few tactile bumps on my keyboard to help me quickly determine function keys.

 

As for attaching files, I’m still on Office 2016 and don’t have the issue you describe.  However, I’d like to suggest a solid method for adding attachments that I prefer.  Use the Windows File Explorer to find the files you want. Hit Control C to copy.  Then, when focus is in the message body of your email, just hit Control V to paste and your attachment is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John



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moderated goto cell in google sheets with mosilla firefox

William Windels
 

Hello,

 

I use jaws 19 and google sheets (works better in firefox then chrome).

To go to a cell, I have found 2 keystrokes:

Scroll to active cell          Ctrl + Backspace

Or  I found the letter g in the menu’s.

Ctrl+\ does nothing and the command g, gives my a kind of prompt but when I type there e.g. c20 and enter, I don’t go to cell c20.

 

Any idea’s?

 

Kind regards,

William Windels

 

William Windels

 

Incident Manager SWF

02/506 0 487 / 0477 88 4276 (ik werk niet op maandag- en vrijdag namiddag)

 


moderated Re: New feature in Edge Dev

 

Is this maybe still part of the Canary built? I had an Edge Dev update today and I'm now on "Version 79.0.279.0 (Official build) dev (64-bit)" and I can find no such feature in Settings > Site Permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New feature in Edge Dev

The latest release of Edge Dev has introduced a feature we all can benefit from:

Prevent videos from playing automatically To address a top request we've heard in feedback, we have introduced a setting which allows you prevent media from playing automatically when you arrive on a site.To check this out, just open the Settings and more (...) menu, choose Settings and then Site permissions. Scroll down and click on Media autoplay.
You can choose from three options: Allow, Block, and Limit. Allow is the default and will place no autoplay restrictions on sites. The Block option will prevent media from playing automatically on all sites, and the Limit option will determine whether to block autoplay based on how you've used media on a given site in the past.Give this a try and let us know how it works for you. We'd be especially interested to know if this isn't working on a particular website.

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