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moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Marty Hutchings
 

Really, you had to say that.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

No, not getting this going to your link, either.
What browser and screenreader do you use?
I even tested it with Internet Explorer since I seem to remember you are fond of old and slow things and I didn't get the "un" thing there either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

Forgot link:
https://www.audible.com/search?searchAuthor=Jon+Ronson&pf_rd_p=3aa0f0bc-1d10-438f-b86c-7f28cc26ca23&pf_rd_r=RBCN7MX5Q6ZNKHYXGAPY&ref=a_typ_c1_lAuthor_0_1_1


On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND
before some elements like the following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit




moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Marty Hutchings
 

Yes, that is very weird.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

Forgot link:
https://www.audible.com/search?searchAuthor=Jon+Ronson&pf_rd_p=3aa0f0bc-1d10-438f-b86c-7f28cc26ca23&pf_rd_r=RBCN7MX5Q6ZNKHYXGAPY&ref=a_typ_c1_lAuthor_0_1_1


On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND before some elements like the following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit




moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Randy Barnett
 

Funny after your jibe about IE I tried it and it works as expected without the und. Firefox, Edge dev, Brave and chrome all do it. Is there a setting you changed or do i just deal with it until it goes away on its own at some point?

On 9/22/2019 2:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
No, not getting this going to your link, either.
What browser and screenreader do you use?
I even tested it with Internet Explorer since I seem to remember you are fond of old and slow things and I didn't get the "un" thing there either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

Forgot link:
https://www.audible.com/search?searchAuthor=Jon+Ronson&pf_rd_p=3aa0f0bc-1d10-438f-b86c-7f28cc26ca23&pf_rd_r=RBCN7MX5Q6ZNKHYXGAPY&ref=a_typ_c1_lAuthor_0_1_1


On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND
before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit






moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Randy Barnett
 

Jaws 2020 Beta, Brave and Edge Dev.

LOL, IE does have its place. Chromium based browsers are my daily drivers.

On 9/22/2019 2:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
No, not getting this going to your link, either.
What browser and screenreader do you use?
I even tested it with Internet Explorer since I seem to remember you are fond of old and slow things and I didn't get the "un" thing there either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

Forgot link:
https://www.audible.com/search?searchAuthor=Jon+Ronson&pf_rd_p=3aa0f0bc-1d10-438f-b86c-7f28cc26ca23&pf_rd_r=RBCN7MX5Q6ZNKHYXGAPY&ref=a_typ_c1_lAuthor_0_1_1


On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND
before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit






moderated Re: Audible webpage.

 

No, not getting this going to your link, either.
What browser and screenreader do you use?
I even tested it with Internet Explorer since I seem to remember you are fond of old and slow things and I didn't get the "un" thing there either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

Forgot link:
https://www.audible.com/search?searchAuthor=Jon+Ronson&pf_rd_p=3aa0f0bc-1d10-438f-b86c-7f28cc26ca23&pf_rd_r=RBCN7MX5Q6ZNKHYXGAPY&ref=a_typ_c1_lAuthor_0_1_1


On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND
before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit




moderated Re: Audible webpage.

 

Yes, I have seen this in the past, but it's been a while. I just checked the Audible Canada website with both Edge Dev and Chrome and while I am currently using the Jaws 2020 Bdeta I don't recall this being an issue for some time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Audible webpage.

Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit


moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Randy Barnett
 

On 9/22/2019 2:16 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit



moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

With Jaws simply press Jaws Key + Page Down

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Can someone tell me how to check the status line so as to get an accurate file count until this issue gets fixed?

 

I just can’t remember the key stroke for doing this.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I’m not sure there is a fix..maybe something to do with UIA or whatever it is, but I haven’t bothered to play with it.

I usually just check the status line if I really want to know how many items there are. I don’t believe this gives an inaccurate count and it’s independent of JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Audible webpage.

Randy Barnett
 

Can someone look at the audible.com site and tell me if you get UND before some elements like the  following:

 undThe Psychopath Test
undRegular price: $24.49
undMember price: $17.14 or 1 Credit


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

insert plus pgdn

On 9/22/2019 2:12 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Can someone tell me how to check the status line so as to get an accurate file count until this issue gets fixed?

 

I just can’t remember the key stroke for doing this.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I’m not sure there is a fix..maybe something to do with UIA or whatever it is, but I haven’t bothered to play with it.

I usually just check the status line if I really want to know how many items there are. I don’t believe this gives an inaccurate count and it’s independent of JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Tom Behler
 

Can someone tell me how to check the status line so as to get an accurate file count until this issue gets fixed?

 

I just can’t remember the key stroke for doing this.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I’m not sure there is a fix..maybe something to do with UIA or whatever it is, but I haven’t bothered to play with it.

I usually just check the status line if I really want to know how many items there are. I don’t believe this gives an inaccurate count and it’s independent of JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Randy Barnett
 

I am sorry but you are wrong. you can choose whitch OS to load by default in the boot manager.

On 9/22/2019 8:43 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
As my laptop dual boots Linux, I have Grub installed, and configured to sound a beep when it's at the prompt. I can then use arrow keys to select the right operating system to load.

Within Linux itself, I can change the default operating system that is loaded using the grub-set-default command. There's no equivalent Windows command, not surprisingly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


But how do you use it accessibly?


On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.





moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

JM Casey
 

I’m not sure there is a fix..maybe something to do with UIA or whatever it is, but I haven’t bothered to play with it.

I usually just check the status line if I really want to know how many items there are. I don’t believe this gives an inaccurate count and it’s independent of JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 


Sieghard,
You state that Windows 10 is a better operating system.
That is totally subjective, and only true to those who believe that.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi Phil,

 

If somebody uses Windows 7 because they rely on an application which doesn’t work under Windows 10 then that is perfectly fine, but it is not difficult to mention this so that those of us who recommend Windows 10 because it simply is a better OS than Windows 7 understand the reasoning.

There are a lot of people who want to stick with the old simply because it’s familiar, I experienced my share of issues with some older applications which I absolutely need to run my business, but while some of the issues are frustrating I am prepared to deal with and try to find solutions or at least work-arounds for them. I certainly don’t miss the many crashes of Jaws and other applications under Windows 7 which have almost completely disappeared in Windows 10. I always find some people who point out how great Windows XP or Windows 7 were are like the person who knows they need new shoes, but they find the old ones with all the scuffs and holes just oh so comfortable yet it’s just a matter of time because they fall apart completely.

I will continue to recommend people upgrade to Windows 10 and the latest versions of Jaws (or other screenreader, but this is a Jaws list), if somebody has a valid reason why for now they need to stick with Windows 7 that is fine, but of course we all know that ultimately this won’t be possible any more and if somebody asks for help with whatever issue and they use Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 I’ll simply leave it up to others to answer because you can’t expect a 3 or 4 year old screenreader which doesn’t get updates any more to work perfectly with everything out there which is changing.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Fitchett via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi Phil,

 

If somebody uses Windows 7 because they rely on an application which doesn’t work under Windows 10 then that is perfectly fine, but it is not difficult to mention this so that those of us who recommend Windows 10 because it simply is a better OS than Windows 7 understand the reasoning.

There are a lot of people who want to stick with the old simply because it’s familiar, I experienced my share of issues with some older applications which I absolutely need to run my business, but while some of the issues are frustrating I am prepared to deal with and try to find solutions or at least work-arounds for them. I certainly don’t miss the many crashes of Jaws and other applications under Windows 7 which have almost completely disappeared in Windows 10. I always find some people who point out how great Windows XP or Windows 7 were are like the person who knows they need new shoes, but they find the old ones with all the scuffs and holes just oh so comfortable yet it’s just a matter of time because they fall apart completely.

I will continue to recommend people upgrade to Windows 10 and the latest versions of Jaws (or other screenreader, but this is a Jaws list), if somebody has a valid reason why for now they need to stick with Windows 7 that is fine, but of course we all know that ultimately this won’t be possible any more and if somebody asks for help with whatever issue and they use Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 I’ll simply leave it up to others to answer because you can’t expect a 3 or 4 year old screenreader which doesn’t get updates any more to work perfectly with everything out there which is changing.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Fitchett via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Rick Mladek
 

The problem was with the usb drive. The one I attempted to use was not a bootable drive...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

When I last tried this, if I remember correctly, the drive needed to have an MBR partition table rather than a GPT partition table. Otherwise, the Media Creation Tool failed with an obscure error message while writing the operating system installer to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.


On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win
PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive
to be bootable.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Jason White
 

As my laptop dual boots Linux, I have Grub installed, and configured to sound a beep when it's at the prompt. I can then use arrow keys to select the right operating system to load.

Within Linux itself, I can change the default operating system that is loaded using the grub-set-default command. There's no equivalent Windows command, not surprisingly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


But how do you use it accessibly?


On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Dan Longmore
 

Your words are good, but in all fairness the others are just trying to help people move on to avoid even more problems as operating systems change.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of Phil Fitchett via Groups.Io <philipfitchett@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install
 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Jason White
 

When I last tried this, if I remember correctly, the drive needed to have an MBR partition table rather than a GPT partition table. Otherwise, the Media Creation Tool failed with an obscure error message while writing the operating system installer to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.


On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win
PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive
to be bootable.


moderated Test message please ignore

Morey Worthington
 

Thanks

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