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Re: Research it money conversion

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

What a coincidence! I was just trying to use the money conversion in research it today. I was trying to convert US dollars to Canadian dollars. I typed in the amount followed by the letters USD then CAD and then I tab to the list of research it items and found , convert currency.

However, when I checked the results it didn't show any results. It should show the amount that I put entered and the list of possible currency codes. I tried some other conversions and that didn't work either. A big waste of My time.. It's easier just to use Google.
Isn't it funny That two of us should have the same problem on the same day?

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@...>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Research it money conversion


Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@...> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: firefox

Dave...
 

Ambrose, you're beginning to repeat yourself. Do you have anything
substantive to contribute to the list?

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:32
Subject: RE: firefox


There is not enough difference in one firefox too another too bother
downloading anything

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: firefox

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last
week! hahah


----- Original Message -----
From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:50 AM
To: jfw
Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Ambrose, Pretty Severe, even from my perspective. Someone is having problems
with their setup and it's almost always the setup and not the human.


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:28
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still didn't
work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of epierce@...
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar with
disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a concern
for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on hardware from
the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with Outlook
2010, as was documented on this list several months ago. Attempts to revert
to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS does not seem to work
well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least 64 bit. The published
response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see a
technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people) is
that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS Windows,
and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility is "not by
design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if it
does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by disability
lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of care
about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good products and
support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance" approach, and are
more interested in creating the appearance of accessibility than the
reality. This is part of the politically correct mentality that prevails in
the younger generation: more concern with thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for accessibility
companies are good, caring people (or were at some point), the
organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding management
climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical choices by
business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures of
ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism, not
because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State Capitalism
is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged system, deeply
corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+ years
that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other accessibility
tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy community, rather the
access tech companies (at least screen readers) are seen as little more than
necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company that
has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research into
creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The answer
might be that since no such thing is possible because of fundamental flaws
in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want the bad "PR" and support
headaches involved in supporting accessibility products. They are probably
happy that someone else has taken the market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Tags to Images

Dave...
 

Tags to Images in what application, please?


Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Woods" <marion_woods38@...>
To: "JFW JAWS List" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 17:19
Subject: Enough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know when I can....


Hi guys,

I love you all dearly butEnough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know
when I can try and get an answer to my following posting:

Can anyone give me the steps to add Tags to images using JFW11? I would be
most
grateful,

Marion

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Re: Research it money conversion

Dave...
 

Dondi,

Tab past the line with currency converter and you'll be in a text box where
the syntax is explained. Or just type something and you'll get a suggestion
as to correct syntax.


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@...>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 16:09
Subject: Research it money conversion


Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

John Vernaleken <jfv508@...>
 

Agree, enough already.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hello. Please can we change the topic. Do not mean to be a pain. I am
getting tire of deleting messages with this topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: epierce@...
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

In one of those surrealistic political moments in life, Rick Perry talks
about it on Fox News:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/11/rick-perry-targets-mitt-romney-defines-
vulture-capitalism/

A more in-depth analysis of how markets are distorted by political
corruption:

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/an-interview-with-josh-kosman-on-
the-embeddedness-of-private-equity-in-the-tax-code/

Again, if one wishes to understand how tech companies operate in the Big
Government/Big Business ecosystem, it is necessary to recognize the deep
moral and spiritual bankruptcy that prevails.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:04 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "deadcatbounce"
<JAWS@...>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean
"vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture
capitalists stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal
responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social
responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic
model in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology
is a human right, then what's next!
...

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

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Hello. Please can we change the topic. Do not mean to be a pain. I am getting tire of deleting messages with this topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: epierce@...
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

In one of those surrealistic political moments in life, Rick Perry talks about it on Fox News:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/11/rick-perry-targets-mitt-romney-defines-vulture-capitalism/

A more in-depth analysis of how markets are distorted by political corruption:

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/an-interview-with-josh-kosman-on-the-embeddedness-of-private-equity-in-the-tax-code/

Again, if one wishes to understand how tech companies operate in the Big Government/Big Business ecosystem, it is necessary to recognize the deep moral and spiritual bankruptcy that prevails.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:04 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@...>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean
"vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.
----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture capitalists
stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal
responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social
responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic model
in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!
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Re: firefox

Ambrose Harrison <ambroselh@...>
 

There is not enough difference in one firefox too another too bother
downloading anything

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: firefox

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last
week! hahah


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From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

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On Behalf Of Kimsan
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Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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Re: avg download help

Ambrose Harrison <ambroselh@...>
 

Avg is garbage so if you find a usable version it will only be usable for a
while and then your computer will stop working with it, you get what you pay
for

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of dooie
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:50 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: avg download help

If you get a copy of a usable AVG program, Please pass it on; as my AVG 2011
crashed and created major problems.

Thanks,

Dwight



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On Behalf Of Jerry Hathaway
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 18:51
To: jfw lists
Subject: avg download help

I am using windows XP and jaws 10. Can someone please tell me the link to
download the latest AVG free program that works with jaws.
Jerry
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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Ambrose Harrison <ambroselh@...>
 

That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still didn't
work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of epierce@...
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@...
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar with
disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a concern
for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on hardware from
the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with Outlook
2010, as was documented on this list several months ago. Attempts to revert
to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS does not seem to work
well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least 64 bit. The published
response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see a
technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people) is
that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS Windows,
and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility is "not by
design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if it
does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by disability
lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of care
about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good products and
support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance" approach, and are
more interested in creating the appearance of accessibility than the
reality. This is part of the politically correct mentality that prevails in
the younger generation: more concern with thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for accessibility
companies are good, caring people (or were at some point), the
organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding management
climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical choices by
business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures of
ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism, not
because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State Capitalism
is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged system, deeply
corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+ years
that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other accessibility
tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy community, rather the
access tech companies (at least screen readers) are seen as little more than
necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company that
has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research into
creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The answer
might be that since no such thing is possible because of fundamental flaws
in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want the bad "PR" and support
headaches involved in supporting accessibility products. They are probably
happy that someone else has taken the market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

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In one of those surrealistic political moments in life, Rick Perry talks about it on Fox News:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/11/rick-perry-targets-mitt-romney-defines-vulture-capitalism/

A more in-depth analysis of how markets are distorted by political corruption:

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/an-interview-with-josh-kosman-on-the-embeddedness-of-private-equity-in-the-tax-code/

Again, if one wishes to understand how tech companies operate in the Big Government/Big Business ecosystem, it is necessary to recognize the deep moral and spiritual bankruptcy that prevails.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:04 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@...>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean
"vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture capitalists
stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal
responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social
responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic model
in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!
...


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

epierce@...
 

Cy,

Medieval culture under all religions is rooted in mythic-conformist paradigms. Such culture does not protect individual freedoms to any great extent, and individuals are thus subject to hostile collectives. Innovation was inhibited and scientific rationalism was seen as dangerous.

The dark ages followed the collapse of the (pagan) Roman Empire, which had no "church" in the Christian sense, but did have elaborate ritual belief systems that supported imperialism, slavery and war. The Magna Carta was written in 1215, during a period of "church control".

Reforms toward representative institutions (Fueros, Cortes) were spread by the Abbey of Cluny into the Gothic Kingdoms of Spain, primarily along the along the Camino de Santiago de Compostela (pilgrim's route) during the 500 years before Columbus' journey to the New World. It was only when Absolutism became philosophically trendy (late 1400s) amongst the greedy, power hungry Aristocracy that these local forms of church supported representative institutions were abolished. Many churches were taken over by secular rule and used to oppress local culture. (Leonard Liggio)

Capitalism developed via vast colonial schemes of land theft from indigenous people, and it has not outgrown the tendency toward exploitation and theft, in spite of all the fancy lip service about "democracy". Working people have never gotten better rights without fighting oppression.

Perhaps this will illumine how the executive classes that run the tech industry really operate, and how they view customers and employees.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:12 -0700
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>

Wog,
Your point about pirating music and movies is very well put. Stealing is
stealing is stealing is stealing.
I do, however, agree that there should be some way to make a decent,
reliable screen reader for those who need it.
The freedom of information and knowledge a computer can impart is a "right"
to any human otherwise we should have stayed in the Dark Ages where
knowledge and education was strictly controlled by the Church.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I think NVDA is nearly there. I think it need's about another year.
...


Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

deadcatbounce <JAWS@...>
 

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean "vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.

----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture capitalists stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic model in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!
...


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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

epierce@...
 

Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture capitalists stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic model in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@... (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@...>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!
...


Enough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know when I can....

Marion Woods <marion_woods38@...>
 

Hi guys,

I love you all dearly butEnough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know
when I can try and get an answer to my following posting:

Can anyone give me the steps to add Tags to images using JFW11? I would be most
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Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

epierce@...
 

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar with disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a concern for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on hardware from the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with Outlook 2010, as was documented on this list several months ago. Attempts to revert to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS does not seem to work well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least 64 bit. The published response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see a technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people) is that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS Windows, and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility is "not by design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if it does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by disability lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of care about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good products and support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance" approach, and are more interested in creating the appearance of accessibility than the reality. This is part of the politically correct mentality that prevails in the younger generation: more concern with thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for accessibility companies are good, caring people (or were at some point), the organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding management climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical choices by business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures of ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism, not because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State Capitalism is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged system, deeply corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+ years that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other accessibility tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy community, rather the access tech companies (at least screen readers) are seen as little more than necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company that has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research into creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The answer might be that since no such thing is possible because of fundamental flaws in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want the bad "PR" and support headaches involved in supporting accessibility products. They are probably happy that someone else has taken the market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Drew Hunthausen
 

I agree with all of these points, though I think it's going to far to say
that this is a human right. By saying computer access is a human right then
I guess we should be taxed by the government in order to sustain this right?
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:37 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Wog,
Your point about pirating music and movies is very well put. Stealing is
stealing is stealing is stealing.
I do, however, agree that there should be some way to make a decent,
reliable screen reader for those who need it.
The freedom of information and knowledge a computer can impart is a "right"
to any human otherwise we should have stayed in the Dark Ages where
knowledge and education was strictly controlled by the Church.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I think NVDA is nearly there. I think it need's about another year.

My points re apple stand.

Would you still say you couldn't steal food if the alternative was
starving? Because for us computing and the freedom it gives us is a
civil right and a human right.

Maybe you think I'm wrong to try and get a crack. That's fair enough -
though am I really doing anything worse than the milions of people who
download movees, music etc. illegally?

(Truth is that copyright law is out of date, out of touch and on its way
out.)

even if you do think I'm wrong, you should still agree with me that
something should be done re the 3rd world and Jaws.

Will people on this list start a petition? Or does your moral outrage
extend only to criticizing me for looking for a crack?

On 2/4/12, Richard Holloway <rholloway@...> wrote:
It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced, and I
highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no support
was
ever offered for those versions. If that business model works, they should
be increasing the product cost of each new version to make new customers
pay
for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par with
JAWS
and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great new p roduct
would
take forever to gain enough market share that it is a viable replacement
in
the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke, they
can
do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola (or whatever)
Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up their prices.
That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got much cheaper in
recent years because (in part) there has been competition in the
marketplace. When you have no competition, you can pretty well set pricing
at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom Scientific is not a non-proffit
organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers'
standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up. That however
doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up to $20 apiece I
can
justify stealing them because I think they are overpriced. That's where it
all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do with
all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think jaws
costs
a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a hundred and fifty
to
twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh well, looks like there
isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic but
end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated software
worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If you think
about it most people pirate software because they can't afford it so
imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like $40 or $50, just
look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people $30 for 10 machines
assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@...> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@...> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies
by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Cy Selfridge
 

Wog,
Your point about pirating music and movies is very well put. Stealing is
stealing is stealing is stealing.
I do, however, agree that there should be some way to make a decent,
reliable screen reader for those who need it.
The freedom of information and knowledge a computer can impart is a "right"
to any human otherwise we should have stayed in the Dark Ages where
knowledge and education was strictly controlled by the Church.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I think NVDA is nearly there. I think it need's about another year.

My points re apple stand.

Would you still say you couldn't steal food if the alternative was
starving? Because for us computing and the freedom it gives us is a
civil right and a human right.

Maybe you think I'm wrong to try and get a crack. That's fair enough -
though am I really doing anything worse than the milions of people who
download movees, music etc. illegally?

(Truth is that copyright law is out of date, out of touch and on its way
out.)

even if you do think I'm wrong, you should still agree with me that
something should be done re the 3rd world and Jaws.

Will people on this list start a petition? Or does your moral outrage
extend only to criticizing me for looking for a crack?

On 2/4/12, Richard Holloway <rholloway@...> wrote:
It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced, and I
highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no support
was
ever offered for those versions. If that business model works, they should
be increasing the product cost of each new version to make new customers
pay
for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par with
JAWS
and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great new p roduct
would
take forever to gain enough market share that it is a viable replacement
in
the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke, they
can
do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola (or whatever)
Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up their prices.
That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got much cheaper in
recent years because (in part) there has been competition in the
marketplace. When you have no competition, you can pretty well set pricing
at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom Scientific is not a non-proffit
organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the
consumers'
standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up. That however
doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up to $20 apiece I
can
justify stealing them because I think they are overpriced. That's where it
all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do with
all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think jaws
costs
a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a hundred and fifty
to
twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh well, looks like there
isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic but
end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated software
worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If you think
about it most people pirate software because they can't afford it so
imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like $40 or $50, just
look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people $30 for 10 machines
assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@...> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@...> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies
by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Colleen <herself@...>
 

I couldn't agree more!
Colleen If you are lucky enough to be Irish, you are lucky enough!

On 2/4/2012 1:37 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
People, this talk about guide dogs and economics is interesting and, as a matter of fact, I have some strong opinions on economics myself and have been bursting to express them in reply to some of these messages. However, it is not very germain to what the list is about. I am subscribed to several lists and every now and then there is an explosion of traffic because of off topic threads. That happened just recently on the BARDTalk list and I almost unsubscribed because of it. I stuck it out, though, and traffic has died down a bit. Nevertheless, I only have so much time in the day to read email. As interested as I might be in economics and as opinionated as I might be about that subject, I subscribed to this list in order to learn how to make the best use of JAWS. Could we please get back to that topic and drop economics and guide dogs so that I will not have to unsubscribe.

On 2/4/2012 1:28 PM, sandy stegmayer wrote:
Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final training stage.

-----Original Message----- From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of $1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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