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Re: Where in the world are you?

Juan Pablo <jpculasso@...>
 

Hello,
I am from Montevideo - Uruguay.

Best,
Juan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dondi
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Where in the world are you?

Hello Sameer,

Nice to here from you, all the way in India. I will add your name and info
to my list of people from around the world.
Thanks for responding.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Dear Friend,

I am from Mumbai, India.

My city is known as the commercial capital of the country & is the largest
metropolis in the country.

Your Friend
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Dondi
 

Hello Sameer,

Nice to here from you, all the way in India. I will add your name and info
to my list of people from around the world.
Thanks for responding.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Where in the world are you?


Dear Friend,

I am from Mumbai, India.

My city is known as the commercial capital of the country & is the largest
metropolis in the country.

Your Friend
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Where in the world are you?

Sameer
 

Dear Friend,

I am from Mumbai, India.

My city is known as the commercial capital of the country & is the largest metropolis in the country.

Your Friend
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Where in the world are you?


Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Angel
 

Isn't it strange no one from the third world is on this list advocating we all do something about the poor blind who don't have Jaws, or a screen reader? I have a very fine friend who teaches at the University of Missouri.
He has been trying for as long as he has been in this country to get people to give to him manual typewriters for blind school children and adults to use. Because electricity is sporadic. Not to mention the ability to get necessary batteries for the computers on which Jaws would be put.
Those who steal are trying to justify theft by saying because the blind in the third world might not have what we are stealing we have the right to steal or to crack it. Those who steal aren't wanting to steal music, games, or software to give away. They are stealing these things for themselves. This is unnecessary, particularly as there are free screen readers which are very fine we can use as well. If you want to do something for the poor blind people in Nigeria I will give to any if you off list this man's e-mail address and you can give to him manual typewriters. Which is what he, himself from the third world, says these blind children and adults need more than a stolen copy of a screen reader.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I think NVDA is nearly there. I think it need's about another year.

My points re apple stand.

Would you still say you couldn't steal food if the alternative was
starving? Because for us computing and the freedom it gives us is a
civil right and a human right.

Maybe you think I'm wrong to try and get a crack. That's fair enough -
though am I really doing anything worse than the milions of people who
download movees, music etc. illegally?

(Truth is that copyright law is out of date, out of touch and on its way out.)

even if you do think I'm wrong, you should still agree with me that
something should be done re the 3rd world and Jaws.

Will people on this list start a petition? Or does your moral outrage
extend only to criticizing me for looking for a crack?

On 2/4/12, Richard Holloway <rholloway@gopbc.org> wrote:
It may cost them less than that. I think the product is overpriced, and I
highly object to charging for skipped upgrades or SMA's where no support was
ever offered for those versions. If that business model works, they should
be increasing the product cost of each new version to make new customers pay
for versions they never owned, right?

The problem with the system is there is no real competition on par with JAWS
and there probably won't be for a long time. Even a great new p roduct would
take forever to gain enough market share that it is a viable replacement in
the workplace.

If the Coke company wants to start charging $20 for a can of Coke, they can
do that, but as long as there is Pepsi and the odd RC Cola (or whatever)
Coke would loose a lot of money in the process of jacking up their prices.
That applies to most everything we buy. Cell phones got much cheaper in
recent years because (in part) there has been competition in the
marketplace. When you have no competition, you can pretty well set pricing
at will. Make no mistake about it, Freedom Scientific is not a non-proffit
organization.

Freedom could absolutely use some competition, at least from the consumers'
standpoint. It drives pricing down and product quality up. That however
doesn't mean that if Cokes (my personal favorite) go up to $20 apiece I can
justify stealing them because I think they are overpriced. That's where it
all breaks down for me.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:50 AM, cecropia64 wrote:

unfortunately, nobody said that greed doesn't have a whole lot to do with
all this, because it certainly does. also, do you really think jaws costs
a thousand bucks? i'll bet it costs freedome about a hundred and fifty to
twwo hundred to actually produce, if that. oh well, looks like there
isn't one answer that fits all.

On 2/4/2012 11:33 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Just one thing else for interest sake now that you mention steeling
from software companies pockets. I know this is getting off topic but
end of last year sometime I read a study, they actually said if
Microsoft considerably drop their software prices for windows and
office, they'll actually make more of a profit than they currently do.
Because at the moment windows and office is the most pirated software
worldwide and if it's cheeper more people will buy it. If you think
about it most people pirate software because they can't afford it so
imagine how many more will buy windows if it was like $40 or $50, just
look at Apple's Lion OS, the upgrade cost people $30 for 10 machines
assentially $3 per computer.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos<bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo<jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies
by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo"<jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Research it money conversion

Dondi
 

Hi Bob,

I like that we were both trying to use it on the same day. Unfortunately I
heard that this feature is broke in JAWS 13 at this time. So I'm going to
follow your advice and use Google.

Dondi

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Logue
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:31 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Research it money conversion

What a coincidence! I was just trying to use the money conversion in
research it today. I was trying to convert US dollars to Canadian dollars.
I typed in the amount followed by the letters USD then CAD and then I tab to
the list of research it items and found , convert currency.

However, when I checked the results it didn't show any results. It should
show the amount that I put entered and the list of possible currency codes.
I tried some other conversions and that didn't work either. A big waste of
My time.. It's easier just to use Google.
Isn't it funny That two of us should have the same problem on the same day?

Bob

----- Original Message -----
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To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject: Research it money conversion


Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Where in the world are you?

Dondi
 

Hi Everybody,



I hear from time to time of people on the list who are from many places
around the world. I was just wondering if those far and near to me would
like to say where they are from?

I'm from:

Phoenix, Arizona United States, the call my city the valley of the sun.



Dondi

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Re: Research it money conversion

Joni Colver <earlybird@...>
 

The money conversion has ceased to work in JAWS 13, along with other search choices in Research It.

Joni

-----Original Message-----
From: Dondi
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:09 PM
To: JAWS mailing list
Subject: Research it money conversion

Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

--------------------------------------------------You'reright Dave... and that's my final comment on this topic. Hope everyone enjoys today. Go Pats!!!

From: "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...>
 

Yeah, I'm interested and I'd sign it.

Angela from Italy.





--
"Odio il privilegio e il monopolio. Qualunque cosa non possa essere
condivisa con le masse per me Ť tabý". (Mahatma Gandhi).



On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear list,

I write to ask whether people would be prepared to support a petition
asking for the price of JAWS to be lowered, not for ourselves but for
blind people in the developing world.

The fact is that there are thousands, probably milions of blind people
around the world who cannot afford to buy JAWS or any other screen
reader.
This is a vicious circle for most, since without the independence that
computers bring, they will struggle to make money, to get a job, to
live the kinds of independent lives you take for granted.

I think a petition by JAWS users should carry some weight with the firm.

Let me know if you are interested.

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Re: winamp

Godwin Adoyi
 

If you are using win 7, press the window key and type default in the search
box. Enter on the default program, tab to set your default programs, then
tab to the list of programs till you get to winamp. Tab to set it to default
program and tab to ok.
HTH,
Godwin

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:14 PM
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Subject: Re: winamp

use the file associations list in the preferences dialogue. It's a tree view
with a series of checkboxes that govern which types of files winamp plays.
You can also just check the "audio" box and it'll automatically check all
the relevant associations.


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Subject: winamp


How do I make my winamp the defaults player using jaws 13?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

epierce@...
 

Dave, thanks for the excellent insights.

Ambrose,

You seem to have imagined that I said that JAWS never works for anybody, ever.

What I was actually reporting was a specific set of problems, and attempts at solving them, in a specific place, with a specific JAWS site license, under specific circumstances.

The reality is that DOS/Windows was never designed to do something as weird as install a screen reader "driver". Doing such things is nothing but an inelegant kludge from an engineering perspective, and is just asking for trouble.

The lack of industry standards for accessible technology is appalling, as are all the bureaucrats that collect fat checks while telling everyone that AT products are "so cool". The sociological myth structures that have been built up are largely a feature of distorted market dynamics and unspoken institutional fear of disability lawyers. Lots of people are in on the scam, the vendors simply attempt to satisfy the resulting business demand on a cr*ppy architecture.

The error was seen on multiple models of Dell business class machines, with various different methods of installing Windows 7 "Ultimate" (Enterprise), 64 bit. Windows was hand installed from .ISO media. Then it was installed from an industrial strength network imaging platform (Altiris). Central computing has some undocumented "security" features that are mandatory, so we have to live with that.

Extreme care was taken to install Windows 7 in as "bare metal" a manner as possible, including taking excruciating pains to install Dell hardware drivers exactly according to manufacturer's instructions.

Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 were installed in a completely standard manner.

Microsoft anti-virus was installed, as per organizational standards.

Unfortunately, there is also an organizational standard to install the "Kbox" inventory control client (and SCCM client), but it isn't apparent that that would be a problem with JAWS. I do not have direct contact with vendor support.

One visually impaired consultant who is a accessibility tech expert provided guidance: Only AMD/ATI video cards should be used with JAWS, at specific "standard, native" screen resolutions (1280 x 1024?).

Lots of stuff could have gone wrong. If the product is so fragile that some subtle hardware or driver install-order issue (or whatever else short of supernatural forces) causes it to not work correctly on some hardware, or in some software configurations, in a professional IT shop, then there is something very wrong with the product. If that is the case, the vendor should only support their product on "certified" hardware. Which would be a VAST RELIEF to most local IT support people in organizations who would then be able to write up procurement justifications for more expensive, vendor solutions that ACTUALLY WORK.

I have seen miserable results from multiple consultants/experts/vendors for 20+ years in the accessible tech industry, including some awful scams and pathetic bureaucracy.

The vendor has published tech support documentation that admits that JAWS does not properly support attachment viewing in Outlook 2010. Several months ago on this list, the exact symptoms: inconsistent viewing experience of email message bodies by JAWS -- were reported by several other customers (see list archives).

I'm a sighted technician, and I saw the product failure over and over for many months and heard complaints and frustration from a visually impaired user who had to endure doing tests of a variety of different configurations.

The user, a senior disabled advocate, reported hearing much unhappiness from other leading figures in the disability rights movement at national conferences.

The architecture is junk and the products are junk. The society is dysfunctional, the business models are bad and the customers brainwashed.

Other than that, everything is fine and any other problems are almost certainly caused purely by "operator error".

Have a nice day.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:52:36 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Farfar and His Beamer" <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

Ambrose, Pretty Severe, even from my perspective. Someone is having problems
with their setup and it's almost always the setup and not the human.


Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:28
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still didn't
work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar with
disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a concern
for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on hardware from
the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with Outlook
2010, as was documented on this list several months ago. Attempts to revert
to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS does not seem to work
well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least 64 bit. The published
response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see a
technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people) is
that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS Windows,
and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility is "not by
design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if it
does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by disability
lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of care
about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good products and
support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance" approach, and are
more interested in creating the appearance of accessibility than the
reality. This is part of the politically correct mentality that prevails in
the younger generation: more concern with thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for accessibility
companies are good, caring people (or were at some point), the
organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding management
climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical choices by
business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures of
ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism, not
because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State Capitalism
is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged system, deeply
corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+ years
that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other accessibility
tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy community, rather the
access tech companies (at least screen readers) are seen as little more than
necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company that
has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research into
creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The answer
might be that since no such thing is possible because of fundamental flaws
in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want the bad "PR" and support
headaches involved in supporting accessibility products. They are probably
happy that someone else has taken the market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Research it money conversion

Robert Logue <bobcat11@...>
 

What a coincidence! I was just trying to use the money conversion in research it today. I was trying to convert US dollars to Canadian dollars. I typed in the amount followed by the letters USD then CAD and then I tab to the list of research it items and found , convert currency.

However, when I checked the results it didn't show any results. It should show the amount that I put entered and the list of possible currency codes. I tried some other conversions and that didn't work either. A big waste of My time.. It's easier just to use Google.
Isn't it funny That two of us should have the same problem on the same day?

Bob

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:09 PM
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Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Sandy,

Yes, I agree that there are far too many pampered, whiny, immature blind
people who make it look bad for those who work for a living.

But we all deal with our handicap in different ways, don't we.

Dave Carlson
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E6520 and Windows 7

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From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:04
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

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From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: firefox

Dave...
 

Ambrose, you're beginning to repeat yourself. Do you have anything
substantive to contribute to the list?

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:32
Subject: RE: firefox


There is not enough difference in one firefox too another too bother
downloading anything

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: firefox

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last
week! hahah


----- Original Message -----
From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:50 AM
To: jfw
Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Dave...
 

Ambrose, Pretty Severe, even from my perspective. Someone is having problems
with their setup and it's almost always the setup and not the human.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ambrose Harrison" <ambroselh@att.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 18:28
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


That's blatentley false, I use Jaws 11,12,and 13 with outlook 2007
beautifully, outlook 2010 is just a bad program but 2007 is still
attainable and works beautifully,if you have tried it and it still didn't
work, then it must be opperater error

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:14 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I'm new to the list, not discernibly disabled, but somewhat familiar with
disability issues (labor activist). JAWS' poor quality has been a concern
for several years. The last time I saw JAWS work well was on hardware from
the Windows XP, MS Office 2003 era, using JAWS 7 or 8.

JAWS 10, 11 and 12 on Windows 7 (64 bit) does not work reliably with Outlook
2010, as was documented on this list several months ago. Attempts to revert
to Office 2007 and 2003 showed same problems: JAWS does not seem to work
well with any Win7-Outlook combination, at least 64 bit. The published
response from FS tech support was inadequate.

Back to the topic of this thread: I read this whole thread, did not see a
technical definition for a "Crack", so here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

Summary: "Cracking" usually refers to removal of software protection.

My general impression of Computer Accessibility (for disabled people) is
that current "legacy" architectures of operating systems such as MS Windows,
and possibly hardware (Intel), are inadequate (accessibility is "not by
design").
Thus, poor quality products, and poor business models, are perhaps
inevitable. Government support (including public education) in such
circumstances probably creates, or reinforces, unhealthy market distortions.

In other words, FS knows that government programs are "held hostage" by
accessibility requirements, and thus have to "buy something", even if it
does not work well, to "get off the hook" and not be sued by disability
lawyers.

Such a "system" creates unintended side effects, including a lack of care
about whether or not disabled people are actually getting good products and
support. Bureaucrats tend to have a "style over substance" approach, and are
more interested in creating the appearance of accessibility than the
reality. This is part of the politically correct mentality that prevails in
the younger generation: more concern with thought policing than competency.

Again, it seems inevitable that even if the people working for accessibility
companies are good, caring people (or were at some point), the
organizational culture they work in, and the corresponding management
climate, is warped by unhealthy market forces and unethical choices by
business executives.

On capitalism in general, and ethics -- capitalism as it is currently
constituted, Corporatist/State Capitalism, has become predatory in many
respects (I'm anarcho-libertarian, not leftist). The largest failures of
ethics in the area of economics are done in the name of capitalism, not
because of poor blind people in 3rd world countries, or poor people
anywhere, looking for "cracked" versions of JAWS software. State Capitalism
is "socialism for rich people". It is a horribly rigged system, deeply
corrupt and dysfunctional, and destructive of democracy and culture.

I've been told by people that have worked in disabled access for 30+ years
that there is very little respect for FS and most of the other accessibility
tech businesses by senior members of the advocacy community, rather the
access tech companies (at least screen readers) are seen as little more than
necessary evils.

I personally place most of the blame on Microsoft. How could a company that
has made $100s of billions in profit not do the proper research into
creating a "good" accessibility architecture for its products? The answer
might be that since no such thing is possible because of fundamental flaws
in the legacy architecture, MS simply does not want the bad "PR" and support
headaches involved in supporting accessibility products. They are probably
happy that someone else has taken the market niche and all its problems.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Tags to Images

Dave...
 

Tags to Images in what application, please?


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Woods" <marion_woods38@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "JFW JAWS List" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 17:19
Subject: Enough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know when I can....


Hi guys,

I love you all dearly butEnough is Enough about Crack for Jaws, let me know
when I can try and get an answer to my following posting:

Can anyone give me the steps to add Tags to images using JFW11? I would be
most
grateful,

Marion

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Re: Research it money conversion

Dave...
 

Dondi,

Tab past the line with currency converter and you'll be in a text box where
the syntax is explained. Or just type something and you'll get a suggestion
as to correct syntax.


Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dondi" <zidnod63@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS mailing list" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 16:09
Subject: Research it money conversion


Hi Everyone,



Does anyone know how to use the money converter in Research it ? I can't
seam to figure out how to get it to work.



Dondi

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

John Vernaleken <jfv508@...>
 

Agree, enough already.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hello. Please can we change the topic. Do not mean to be a pain. I am
getting tire of deleting messages with this topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

In one of those surrealistic political moments in life, Rick Perry talks
about it on Fox News:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/11/rick-perry-targets-mitt-romney-defines-
vulture-capitalism/

A more in-depth analysis of how markets are distorted by political
corruption:

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/an-interview-with-josh-kosman-on-
the-embeddedness-of-private-equity-in-the-tax-code/

Again, if one wishes to understand how tech companies operate in the Big
Government/Big Business ecosystem, it is necessary to recognize the deep
moral and spiritual bankruptcy that prevails.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:04 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "deadcatbounce"
<JAWS@ca.rr.com>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean
"vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.
----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@surewest.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture
capitalists stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal
responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social
responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic
model in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@gmail.com>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology
is a human right, then what's next!
...

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Holger Fiallo <holgerfiallo@...>
 

Hello. Please can we change the topic. Do not mean to be a pain. I am getting tire of deleting messages with this topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: epierce@surewest.net
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:12 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

In one of those surrealistic political moments in life, Rick Perry talks about it on Fox News:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/01/11/rick-perry-targets-mitt-romney-defines-vulture-capitalism/

A more in-depth analysis of how markets are distorted by political corruption:

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/an-interview-with-josh-kosman-on-the-embeddedness-of-private-equity-in-the-tax-code/

Again, if one wishes to understand how tech companies operate in the Big Government/Big Business ecosystem, it is necessary to recognize the deep moral and spiritual bankruptcy that prevails.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:37:04 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "deadcatbounce" <JAWS@ca.rr.com>)
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>

I wonder if that was just a freudian slip or if you really did mean
"vulture" rather than "venture"? Made me smile nonetheless.
----- Original Message -----
From: <epierce@surewest.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Horrors, people might actually demand that banks and vulture capitalists
stop operating Wall Street like a casino operation.

Conservatives locate evil in the individual, and demand personal
responsibility.

Liberals locate evil in social structures, and demand social
responsibility.

A mature model of human psychology would seem to point to a Holistic model
in which the two paradigms are integrated.

---- Original message ----
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:04:56 -0800
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com (on behalf of "Drew Hunthausen"
<dhunthausen@gmail.com>)
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
...
My point here is that if we say that computer access and technology is a
human right, then what's next!
...

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Re: firefox

Ambrose Harrison <ambroselh@...>
 

There is not enough difference in one firefox too another too bother
downloading anything

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: firefox

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last
week! hahah


----- Original Message -----
From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:50 AM
To: jfw
Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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