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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Glenn / Lenny
Don't let some on this list bully you into being afraid of using an older system.
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Glenn
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From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@comcast.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install 1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Glenn / Lenny
Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
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I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it. If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap? Some people still use XP carefully. I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system. click click click. Glenn
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From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Glenn / Lenny
Maybe she does not want 10, many folks don't want the pain involved with it.
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Personally, 7 or 8 is all I'm planning on ever using. Glenn
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From: "Dan Longmore" <danlongmore44@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi,
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Steve Matzura
Go into the system with F12? What is *that*?
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No drive found? Maybe try a different USB port.
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Glenn / Lenny
Annabelle,
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You will need one of the talking WinPe images from my previous post in order to have speech during a Windows 7 or 8 install. Glenn
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From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@comcast.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Steve Matzura
If you're spending money for new hardware, treat it to some new software--upgrade your JAWS, or learn NVDA. Windows 7 is so no more.
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On 9/21/2019 12:26 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
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Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018
Glenn / Lenny
Yeah, I have this problem more with 2019 than I did with 2018.
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Maybe that problem came with the 2018 update that was fairly recent?
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From: "Maria Campbell" <lucky1inct@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Irritating problems with JAWS 2018 I didn't have any focus problems with 18 that I recall, but I sure do with 19 now. That's why I'm trying out the 20 beta.
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Glenn / Lenny
Hi Rick,
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Windows 10 allows one to boot up Narrator during setup, but personally, I'd still use the talking WinPe for Windows 10 at: http://opopanax.net/download/ But I'm sure there is still the ability to use the unintended install txt file for Windows 10. Glenn
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From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@neo.rr.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:23 AM Subject: Operating System unassisted install Hi all, Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously used hard drive, without sighted assistance? Thank you, Rick
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Rick Mladek
Hey all,
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I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive. When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas appreciated. Rick
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move forward. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install 1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a bunch of blue screen errors. 2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement supports. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi, Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Dave Durber
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This is completely and utterly untrue. I have 3 computers which are running Windows 7, and I am getting updates to the operating system, regulare as clockwork. I do not doubt, that I will continue to do so, until Microsoft ends support for Windows 7, in January of next year. Even then,there will be core system updates, which are not only essential to Windows 10, but also are essential and compatible to previous versions of their operating systems, and as such they will more than likely, be made available as updates to those operating systems.
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From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@noisynotes.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
david Jennette
Windows seven is also about to go out of support so by January, there won't
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be any more security updates. Your going to need to either get the subscription if you want to stick with jaws or switch to NVDA. Oh, you'll be able to use windows seven after it's no longer supported but it could leave you more open to attacks, not to mention, fewer aps will support it either when they are updated. I should mention you could get another SmA but that would require purchasing the upgrade then the sma so the subscription would probably be best.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move forward. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install 1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a bunch of blue screen errors. 2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement supports. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi, Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Dan Longmore
Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of
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potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move forward.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install 1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a bunch of blue screen errors. 2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement supports. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi, Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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unloading Chromevox
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Hi all. Last night, I decided to play around with Chromevox. although I got it going and was able to configure options, no hotkey actually unloads it from running all the time with Chrome. For now, I've disabled the extension, but that seems self-defeating, since I was hoping to be able to unload whichever screen reader I was using and use Chromevox on the fly. Is this possible?
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 10:23 AM 9/21/2019, Rick Mladek wrote:
Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previouslyYes. Once you successfully boot from a USB or DVD drive, you can run Narrator, which will talk you through the entire installation. The trick is booting to the DVD or USB drive without speech. On my system, I've memorized that F12 opens the boot menu and five down-arrow presses lands me on the DVD boot option. Your system will probably vary depending on its configuration. It would be best to confirm this part of the process with sighted assistance. Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Well, I can see that.
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How much do you use Jaws then? You could get by with NVDA or even Narrator for that matter unless you are doing things that Jaws scripts are needed for. But, if it works for you; just ignore those of us who use Windows 10 and have the latest Jaws. Best of luck, Richard 🖖 Live long and prosper Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know that seems strange, but it works just fine for me. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install? On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
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Annabelle Susan Morison
I run it without updates, since that breaks compatibility with JAWS 15. I know
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that seems strange, but it works just fine for me.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install? On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Annabelle Susan Morison
1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
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bunch of blue screen errors. 2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement supports.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi, Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
First, it is pointless to install Windows 7 on a new machine since it is almost at the end of its life cycle.
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If you are set on Windows 7, the Narrator keystroke is not control+windows+enter, that is the Windows 10 keystroke. I'm not entirely sure what the Windows 7 command is but it could be Windows+Enter. Or, you could call Microsoft Accessibility at 800-936-5900 and find out for sure or just Google it. The new windows 10 is so much better and looks much like Windows 7, and Narrator is vastly improved in Windows 10 and will only get better after the fall update. I know on two new Windows 10 machines I have worked with in the last year, Cortana came up talking and I did not need any sighted assistance to set it up. When the time came, Cortana said if you need a screen reader to finish setup hit control+windows+enter. I have no idea on a home built machine if Windows 10 will behave that way. Richard Richard 🖖 Live long and prosper Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Hi, Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Operating System unassisted install
Steve Matzura
You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?
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On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
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Dan Longmore
Hi,
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Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular reason you need 7? Dan
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new machine. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards. On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: hard drive, without sighted assistance? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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