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moderated Re: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

Loreal Lavigna
 

Thanks I really appreciate it!  I’m relearning things with Windows 10 since I haven’t used it in about 18months, not since I was working for a company who used it exclusively.  I’ve been a Windows 7 PC for most of my personal/professional use from 2013 through 2019, until I wound up having to upgrade to Windows 10 as Windows 7 is being phased out and completely unsupported as of January 2020.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

 

To access the Action area press windows key plus A.

To access the system tray/ notification area press Windows plus B.

To expand the notification area  press space on the notification cheveron button after pressing windows B.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 17 September 2019 05:17
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

 

Wondering if there are any shortcuts in order using a windows 10 laptop?  I have all updates installed.  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated JAWS2020 Beta Download Link + What's New

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Below is the link for the website where you can find the Beta report form and other Beta info pluss the what's new in the JAWS 2020 Beta, release.  Below the what's new info is the direct download link for the Jaws 2020 Beta download link.
 
 
What's New in JAWS 2020 Public Beta
 
Thank you for participating in the JAWS 2020 public beta testing. This page provides all the necessary details that you need to know and at the end of
the page, you will find links to download JAWS 2020 Beta now. Please take a few moments to review this information and take advantage of the beta report
form link to provide Freedom Scientific your feedback during the public beta.
 
list of 4 items
• FSCast web page,
provides demonstrations of the new and exciting features in the upcoming JAWS 2020 release.
• New Features in JAWS 2020
• Download the JAWS public beta
• JAWS 2020 Beta Report Form
list end
 
Quick Notes About the Public Beta
 
Thank you for your help during the public beta period. Please note that this is beta software, and its accuracy and reliability are not guaranteed. You
should not rely exclusively on the beta software for any reason.
 
list of 6 items
• This JAWS 2020 public beta is available in English, Spanish, German, French, French Canadian, Dutch, Hebrew, Brazilian Portuguese, Russian, Arabic, Danish,
Hungarian, Swedish, Italian, and Norwegian.
• Please note that while the final release of JAWS 2020 will be a Software Maintenance Agreement (SMA) upgrade, this public beta version will run for anyone
with a license that provides access to JAWS or Fusion 2019.
• If you do not have JAWS or Fusion 2019 authorization, you can still install the public beta version and run it using 40-Minute Demo mode.
• This public beta version will expire later this year. To use JAWS without interruption, you must continue to update to later versions of the public beta
and then to the final release.
• You do not have to remove earlier versions of JAWS to install the JAWS 2020 public beta. Your previous versions will continue to function when you have
JAWS 2020 installed, just as each new major version release of JAWS has in the past.
• Migrating user settings from a prior version of JAWS should work correctly after installing the JAWS 2020 public beta. If you do experience any issues
with migrating settings, reboot your computer, start JAWS 2020, and try the migrate process again. To migrate settings at any time, press INSERT+J to open
the JAWS window, open the Utilities menu, expand the Import/Export submenu, and choose Migrate Settings.
list end
 
Technical Support During the Public Beta
 
While in public beta, general technical support of JAWS 2020 is not available using our direct support phone lines or email. However, you may use normal
support lines in order to resolve any problems you experience related to installation or authorization using the Public Beta. For all other issues you
may discover, we ask that you send feedback directly to Freedom Scientific using the
JAWS 2020 Beta Report Form web page.
Please bookmark the report page in your web browser so that you can easily locate it if you need technical assistance. Also, please submit one problem
per report.
 
If reporting issues with Microsoft Office, please include the full version number. For example, 16.0.10730.20102. To locate this information, press ALT+F,
D, A from within Office.
 
New Features Added in JAWS 2020
 
The following features are new to JAWS 2020.
 
Reduced Double Speaking of Form Control Prompts
 
When navigating and filling out forms on the web, it has become increasingly common for web page authors to include the prompt inside the control in addition
to assigning an accessible Tag for the control. While non-screen reader users only see the written prompt, those using a screen reader are getting both
the Prompt and accessible Tag in Speech as well as Braille if a display is in use. Often times, the web page author has assigned the same text for each,
so it appears the screen reader is double speaking. In JAWS 2020, we have greatly reduced the amount of double speaking of form controls as you navigate
using speech and Braille by comparing the prompt and these tags, and only speaking or brailling them both if they are different.
 
Note: For Public Beta 1, only the double speaking of prompts has been completed. The Braille representation will be corrected for Public Beta 2 in early
October.
 
Zoom Meeting Scripts Added for an Improved Experience
 
Thanks to Hartgen Consulting, basic scripts for Zoom are now included directly in JAWS and Fusion to improve the experience when attending Zoom Meetings.
This platform is used for our quarterly FS Open Line program as well as the free training webinars we hold each month. These scripts offer a more pleasant
experience by giving more control over what you hear, without interrupting the flow as users enter or leave the room or make comments. Press INSERT+H to
view a list of JAWS keystrokes available in Zoom such as turning off alerts, speaking recent chat messages, and more. You can also press INSERT+W to view
a list of Zoom hot keys.
 
Hartgen    Consultancy
 also offers more advanced scripts for Zoom Pro if you are interested.
 
Enhanced JAWS and Invisible Cursor Support for Windows 10 Universal Apps
 
For years, JAWS users have relied on the JAWS cursor (NUM PAD MINUS) and Invisible cursor (NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly) to review and interact with areas
in an application where the PC cursor cannot go. This includes reading textual information which is on-screen but not focusable, and interacting with controls
which are only accessible using a mouse as the mouse pointer will follow the JAWS cursor and NUM PAD SLASH and NUM PAD STAR will perform a left and right
click. However, the Off-Screen Model (OSM) which has traditionally been used to support the JAWS and Invisible cursors is becoming less and less available
as newer technology such as UIA, found especially in Windows universal apps like the calculator or the Windows Store, is now being used exclusively for
accessing screen content. This results in the JAWS and Invisible cursors becoming unusable when attempting to navigate in those windows. All you would
hear in those cases was "blank" as you reviewed the screen. This is because the modern technology currently in use is not able to be captured by the traditional
Off-Screen Model. In those cases, the only solution was using the Touch Cursor, something most users are not as familiar with.
 
JAWS 2020 now detects when focus is in an application where the OSM is not supported and will automatically use the new JAWS Scan cursor in these situations.
You will use all of the same navigation commands as you would with the traditional JAWS cursor or the Invisible cursors.
 
For example, if you open the Calculator or Windows Store in JAWS 2020 and press NUM PAD MINUS, you will now hear JAWS announce "JAWS Scan Cursor" as these
are apps that do not support the OSM. You can then use the ARROW keys like you always have done to move by character, word, line, as well as INSERT+UP
ARROW to read the current line, or PAGE UP, PAGE DOWN, HOME, and END. The mouse pointer will also continue to follow as it always has. The only difference
is that the cursor does not move from top to bottom or left to right. Instead, it moves by element the way the developer laid out the app.
 
While this works in many places, there are still some areas where more work by Freedom Scientific is required. For instance, if you use Office 365, and
try to read your Account version information with the JAWS cursor commands, it is still not possible to navigate and read in these places. That work is
underway and we plan to have an update for this area in the 2020 version soon. Stay tuned.
 
Convenient OCR Updated to Use the Latest OmniPage
 
The recognition engine used by the JAWS Convenient OCR feature has been updated to Kofax OmniPage 20, formerly owned by Nuance. This offers greater accuracy
when recognizing the text from on-screen images as well as text from images captured with a PEARL camera or scanner.
 
For users needing to OCR using Hebrew or Arabic, these languages will be included in later public beta builds or by the final release at the latest. Once
these languages are working, they will be installed with any English or Western European download of JAWS and Fusion.
 
Virtual Cursor Toggle Now Tab Specific in Google Chrome
 
Today, there are many web apps where using the Virtual Cursor is not the best approach. An example of this can be seen if you use Gmail in the Chrome Browser.
In these cases, it makes sense to toggle the Virtual Cursor off by pressing INSERT+Z and then use this application with the PC cursor. Many users also
regularly open multiple tabs (CTRL+T) so they can easily access different sites such as GMail plus one or two other pages by moving between the open tabs
using CTRL+TAB. This can become frustrating as you need to constantly press INSERT+Z to get the right cursor in use as you switch between tabs.
 
Beginning with version 2020, we are introducing an option to help JAWS automatically remember the state of the Virtual Cursor for each tab once you set
it. It will also announce whether the Virtual Cursor is on or off as you move between various tabs. Once you close the browser, or restart JAWS, it will
default back to its default behavior so you will need to set this each day as you use it.
 
For the Public Beta, this feature is not turned on by default. It will be enabled by default In later Beta builds. If you would like to try it out in the
first Beta, do the following:
 
list of 5 items
1. Press INSERT+6 to open Settings Center.
2. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to load the default file.
3. Type "Tab" in the search field.
4. Press DOWN ARROW until you locate "Virtual Cursor On/Off based on Browser Tabs."
5. Press the SPACEBAR to enable the option and then select OK.
list end
 
Note: If you choose to enable this feature in public beta 1, you will hear the announcement of the Virtual Cursor state in certain situations as you navigate.
This will be corrected in subsequent builds.
 
Contracted Braille Input Enhancements
 
For ElBraille users as well as those who regularly use a Braille display with their PC, JAWS 2020 offers significant improvements when typing in contracted
Braille. In particular:
 
list of 5 items
• You should now be able to enter and edit text in numbered and bulleted lists in Word, WordPad, Outlook, and Windows Mail.
• Contracted Braille input is now supported in more applications including PowerPoint and TextPad.
• Improved Contracted Braille input in WordPad, especially when editing a numbered or bulleted list created in Word and opened in Wordpad. This includes
properly handling wrapped items which previously showed the number or bullet on subsequent wrapped lines, rather than indenting the text.
• Improved Contracted Braille input in Chrome, Google docs, and other online editors which can create bulleted and numbered lists.
• Typing rapidly using Contracted Braille in Microsoft Office as well as other applications should no longer result in text becoming scrambled.
list end
 
General Changes in Response to Customer Requests
list of 6 items
• While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.
• You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the
web.
• By default in Word and Outlook, JAWS will no longer announce "Alt SHIFT F10 to adjust Auto Correction" when you move to something that was auto corrected
previously.
• JAWS and Fusion will no longer gather a count of all the objects, misspellings, grammatical errors, and so on when a document is opened in Word. This
will enable documents to load much faster, including very large documents containing a lot of these items. You can always press INSERT+F1 for an overview
of what the document contains.
• Improved responsiveness when closing Word after saving a document.
• The AutoCorrect Detection option, previously only available in the Quick Settings for Word, can now also be changed in the Quick Settings for Outlook
(INSERT+V).
list end
 
Download JAWS 2020
 
Note: You will need an Internet connection during the JAWS install.
 
list of 2 items
1. Using the link at the end of this procedure, download and save the JAWS setup file to a location on your computer where you can easily find it, for
example, your Downloads folder.
2. Run the executable and follow the instructions to install JAWS. The setup automatically detects whether you are using 64 or 32-bit and also installs
the correct language that matches your operating system language. If this is a new installation, you can install a different language by selecting the
Options button on the first setup screen and then choosing the language you want from the list.
list end
list of 1 items
• 
JAWS 2020.1909.25  - September 2019
list end
 
For system administrators, use the
Offline Installer for Secure Environments
 page to download a version of JAWS for installing on computers with restricted Internet access.
main region end
 

JAWS2020 Beta download link for 32 & 64 bit:
 
 
 

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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:01 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
Brian, don’t assume it’s user error.
Well, too late on that.  I didn't say it definitely was, either.

In any case, when I think "older versions" of Word 2007 is already long and far away in that camp.   I am not even going to make an attempt to recall what Word 2003 or older did, even though I used those.

This is one of the reasons that updating software, including Office, in an at least semi-timely (meaning, within a couple of years after initial major new release) manner is essential.  There are changes like you've described, and that you clearly remember and remember well, that most will not because they become "ancient history."  Being a part of a shared transition experience where many people are having the same issue(s) at the same time is a far easier thing than having to face these alone, years after many have forgotten that they even occurred.
 
--

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Van Lant, Robin
 

Glad to hear it Marty.  It’s one of the first things I adjust when I get a new copy of Office loaded.  The other thing I typically adjust is the default margins, as the default right and left margins set at 1.25 inches seems too wide to me.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Robin,  That did the trick.  Thanks.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:44 AM

Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

A big change starting in, I think, Office 2007, is that the default document has wider spacing between lines.  It’s different from single versus double spacing.  This new spacing I’m talking about is a setting under paragraph.  The easiest way I know to fix this and make as your default is to do the following.

  1. Open a new document.
  2. Hit the applications key to open the context menu and arrow down to Paragraph, then hit enter.
  3. In the paragraph dialog that opens, tab a few times until you hear “Before”.  In that box, type a 0 and then hit tab to the “After” box and type 0 again.  I think it’s the “After box that is usually set to “10 pt” by default and you want “0 pt”.
  4. Tab a few more times to a “Set as Default” button and hit enter. 
  5. You may need to hit an “OK” button after this to close the dialog.

 

If you have an existing document that you need to fix, simply select all text with Control A, then follow the steps starting at Step 2.

  •  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?



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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Glenn / Lenny
 


Word does a lot of things automatically that I have never liked.
Like if I put in a number, word assumes that the next line is a number and puts in a 2, and it is distracting to have to remove it.
I had to go in to settings and turn off numbers and bullets I think was the setting.
I also don't like the distraction of it spell checking as I go, so I had to turn that off too.
And I have disagreed with some of the grammar changes, so I had to turn that off too.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Brian, don’t assume it’s user error.  I just did an experiment.  I numbered each line in a word document with 1 inch margins and 12 point font.  With the paragraph settings changed as I noted in my earlier email, I fit 43 lines on the page and it looks like older versions of Word.  If I revert the paragraph settings to the default for newer versions of office, my list of numbers suddenly had 26 as the last line on page 1.  Unfortunately, this is a visual thing and you wouldn’t probably know that Office is doing this unless you had JAWS read out your position on the page.  I’m not sure why Microsoft started making this the default, but they did. The other default is that a wider space is put between paragraphs with a single press of the Enter key.  I’m old school and prefer to hit Enter twice to get my paragraph spacing.  Especially if I am making a list, I do not want Word to put extra space between items.

 

Happy to try to explain this more to anyone who is interested.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

A big change starting in, I think, Office 2007, is that the default document has wider spacing between lines.  It’s different from single versus double spacing.  This new spacing I’m talking about is a setting under paragraph.  The easiest way I know to fix this and make as your default is to do the following.

  1. Open a new document.
  2. Hit the applications key to open the context menu and arrow down to Paragraph, then hit enter.
  3. In the paragraph dialog that opens, tab a few times until you hear “Before”.  In that box, type a 0 and then hit tab to the “After” box and type 0 again.  I think it’s the “After box that is usually set to “10 pt” by default and you want “0 pt”.
  4. Tab a few more times to a “Set as Default” button and hit enter. 
  5. You may need to hit an “OK” button after this to close the dialog.

 

If you have an existing document that you need to fix, simply select all text with Control A, then follow the steps starting at Step 2.

  •  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?



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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Van Lant, Robin
 

Brian, don’t assume it’s user error.  I just did an experiment.  I numbered each line in a word document with 1 inch margins and 12 point font.  With the paragraph settings changed as I noted in my earlier email, I fit 43 lines on the page and it looks like older versions of Word.  If I revert the paragraph settings to the default for newer versions of office, my list of numbers suddenly had 26 as the last line on page 1.  Unfortunately, this is a visual thing and you wouldn’t probably know that Office is doing this unless you had JAWS read out your position on the page.  I’m not sure why Microsoft started making this the default, but they did. The other default is that a wider space is put between paragraphs with a single press of the Enter key.  I’m old school and prefer to hit Enter twice to get my paragraph spacing.  Especially if I am making a list, I do not want Word to put extra space between items.

 

Happy to try to explain this more to anyone who is interested.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

A big change starting in, I think, Office 2007, is that the default document has wider spacing between lines.  It’s different from single versus double spacing.  This new spacing I’m talking about is a setting under paragraph.  The easiest way I know to fix this and make as your default is to do the following.

  1. Open a new document.
  2. Hit the applications key to open the context menu and arrow down to Paragraph, then hit enter.
  3. In the paragraph dialog that opens, tab a few times until you hear “Before”.  In that box, type a 0 and then hit tab to the “After” box and type 0 again.  I think it’s the “After box that is usually set to “10 pt” by default and you want “0 pt”.
  4. Tab a few more times to a “Set as Default” button and hit enter. 
  5. You may need to hit an “OK” button after this to close the dialog.

 

If you have an existing document that you need to fix, simply select all text with Control A, then follow the steps starting at Step 2.

  •  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?



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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Marty Hutchings
 

Robin,  That did the trick.  Thanks.
 
Love in Christ
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Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document
 

A big change starting in, I think, Office 2007, is that the default document has wider spacing between lines.  It’s different from single versus double spacing.  This new spacing I’m talking about is a setting under paragraph.  The easiest way I know to fix this and make as your default is to do the following.

  1. Open a new document.
  2. Hit the applications key to open the context menu and arrow down to Paragraph, then hit enter.
  3. In the paragraph dialog that opens, tab a few times until you hear “Before”.  In that box, type a 0 and then hit tab to the “After” box and type 0 again.  I think it’s the “After box that is usually set to “10 pt” by default and you want “0 pt”.
  4. Tab a few more times to a “Set as Default” button and hit enter. 
  5. You may need to hit an “OK” button after this to close the dialog.

 

If you have an existing document that you need to fix, simply select all text with Control A, then follow the steps starting at Step 2.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?



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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Van Lant, Robin
 

A big change starting in, I think, Office 2007, is that the default document has wider spacing between lines.  It’s different from single versus double spacing.  This new spacing I’m talking about is a setting under paragraph.  The easiest way I know to fix this and make as your default is to do the following.

  1. Open a new document.
  2. Hit the applications key to open the context menu and arrow down to Paragraph, then hit enter.
  3. In the paragraph dialog that opens, tab a few times until you hear “Before”.  In that box, type a 0 and then hit tab to the “After” box and type 0 again.  I think it’s the “After box that is usually set to “10 pt” by default and you want “0 pt”.
  4. Tab a few more times to a “Set as Default” button and hit enter. 
  5. You may need to hit an “OK” button after this to close the dialog.

 

If you have an existing document that you need to fix, simply select all text with Control A, then follow the steps starting at Step 2.

  •  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?



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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Marty,

           If you do decide to contact me off-group, please send both the original files and the messed-up ones so that I can examine what's different between the two.
--

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

 

Marty,

          No insult intended, and I'm happy to help off-group, but this is clearly user error of some sort.   It almost sounds like the main document that went from 41 to 27 lines may have its orientation changed from portrait to landscape.

          Label sheets are based upon their templates, and over time certain label makers have changed their template numbers, and that could be at work here.

          If the material in question is not private feel free to send me the original files via e-mail (use the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message) and I'll see what shows up on this end.

--

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moderated Re: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Glenn / Lenny
 


Did you change the default margin size?
I usually keep mine down to a half an inch, .5, unless I'm doing something special.
I believe the default margin size is over an inch.
That is in page setup in my older Word.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:28 AM
Subject: Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?


moderated Number of lines of print per page in a MS Word Document

Marty Hutchings
 

Why is it that in older versions of MS Word, I could get 41 lines of print on a single page using 12 point times new roman font and now, I can only get 27 lines of print with the same font?  I have checked the page size and line spacing and it is the same.  I have several documents that were created in Word 2000 and if I save them as Word 2007 docx files, they have more pages.  this is true for label sheets that I have also.  They used to be 10 labels in a column on one page and now, they are 8 labels in a column with the bottom 2 rows going onto a second page.  Can anyone help me fix this mess?


moderated Re: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

David Griffith
 

To access the Action area press windows key plus A.

To access the system tray/ notification area press Windows plus B.

To expand the notification area  press space on the notification cheveron button after pressing windows B.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 17 September 2019 05:17
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

 

Wondering if there are any shortcuts in order using a windows 10 laptop?  I have all updates installed.  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book

tom x
 

Thanks to those who answered my query about obtaining an exact copy of the
layout of the original document.

I'll try out the suggestions.

Cheers

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 3:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book

The OpenBook setting doesn't really maintain the
format despite what it says. If I needed
something exact, I would go with a commercial
program like Abbyy fine reader or Prismo. Or
even the native ocr package that comes with your scanner.
or At 11:26 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote:
IN Openbook, there is an exact view setting that
tries to maintain the original format.
So depending on if you want it to maintain
columns or not, there is another setting for that.
I don't have it installed right now so I can't check.


Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book

a slight correction and some other info:

when pressing numpad 6, make sure the numpad is
set to the reading keypad (insert+numpad - (it's
a toggle that cycles)). to save the
configuration, press alt+t and then v and enter
if there's only the default configuration. you
can setup (I don't know if there's a limit)
custom configurations taylored to your needs.
you can switch to a custom configuration
manually after starting K1000 (alt+t and then l,
arrow to the configuration name and enter). I
don't know if there's a way to automatically
load a custom configuration instead of K1000
starting with the default configuration.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, September 15, 2019, 11:59 AM
Subject: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open
Book in K1000, numpad 6 will toggle between
column identification between being enabled or
disabled. toggle it to disabled. if you want,
don't forget to save the configuration so the setting persists.

-------- Original Message --------
From: tom x [mailto:ballistic719@outlook.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, September 14, 2019, 5:26 AM
Subject: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book Hi,

Does anyone know if there is a setting which can
be altered in the latest versions of either
K1000 or Open Book so that the display on the
screenor the saved document matches the layout of the original material?

I need to scan some technical material and have
the result match the layout of the original
document.Currently the lines are joined and all
over the place which is vastly different from the original document.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

Tom






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moderated JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts

Loreal Lavigna
 

Wondering if there are any shortcuts in order using a windows 10 laptop?  I have all updates installed.  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Windows 10 and emojis

Randy Barnett
 

You have to be in an edit field, don't you? I do have to tab then tab back to get Jaws to read anything. If I don't it is as if I didn't open anything. It will read the edit field. But after the tab and shift tab I can select them.

On 9/15/2019 4:07 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
I brought it up but I had to go to the desktop.


Maria Campbell
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On 9/15/2019 7:06 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:
Nothing happens when I press windows key and the period. Is there some other
keys I can bring this up?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis

Windows + Period brings up the emoji panel and you can arrow around or if
you type something like "face" or grin" it will show only emojis like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis

After doing windows period  Did you tab?

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On Sep 14, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I wondered whether anyone has found an accessible way to type emojis in
Windows 10 using JAWS 2019.

I have tried by bringing up the Windows touch keyboard from the System Tray,
but don't seem to be able to enter the emojis using JAWS commands on the
physical keyboard - I have tried the touch cursor without success.

I have had limited success in finding emojis on the screen itself, but
scrolling is a bit unreliable/at an awkward angle as I'm using a laptop.

I have tried a couple of windows shortcuts which are meant to bring up
emojis - Windows semi-colon and Windows period, but they don't seem to work.

Does anyone have any suggestions either things I can do differently using
the methods I've already tried or something else?

Cheers,

Ed













moderated Re: Options dialog boxes in Office 365

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

All I know to do about this is to learn the alt+ key shortcut for any options you plan to change often, then you can probably hit that key once you’ve tabbed into the page for that category. To my knowledge, no other screen reader will help, it’s just how the Options pages are constructed now.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:47 AM
To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Options dialog boxes in Office 365

 

I switched to Office 365 and also to JAWS sometime around the beginning of 2018.  Before that I was a Window Eyes user.  I have noticed something about how JAWS reads the choices in the Options dialog box for all Office products that I find challenging.  I’m not sure if this started when I started using one of these products or with an update to one of them.  I’d like to know if others have found a way to change this behavior or if others agree that it is challenging and warrants a change request to Freedom Scientific.  Here’s the issue:

 

Use Alt F, then T to open the Options dialog box.  Arrow up and down to select a  panel of options.  From here, we tab through all the choices for that group of options.  Microsoft has these choices on each panel arranged in groups with headings.  As I tab, JAWS is reading the heading before each option.  In some cases the heading is long, so I have to wait to hear the whole heading before I know which option I’m on.   Some panels, like the mail options panel in Outlook have a really long list of choices, so it’s a really tedious process to get to the option I want to change if ti’s far down in the list.  This used to not be the case, but I don’t’ recall when I noticed the change.

 

What are other’s opinions of this behavior? 

Robin

Windows 10, Office 365, JAWS 2019



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moderated Options dialog boxes in Office 365

Van Lant, Robin
 

I switched to Office 365 and also to JAWS sometime around the beginning of 2018.  Before that I was a Window Eyes user.  I have noticed something about how JAWS reads the choices in the Options dialog box for all Office products that I find challenging.  I’m not sure if this started when I started using one of these products or with an update to one of them.  I’d like to know if others have found a way to change this behavior or if others agree that it is challenging and warrants a change request to Freedom Scientific.  Here’s the issue:

 

Use Alt F, then T to open the Options dialog box.  Arrow up and down to select a  panel of options.  From here, we tab through all the choices for that group of options.  Microsoft has these choices on each panel arranged in groups with headings.  As I tab, JAWS is reading the heading before each option.  In some cases the heading is long, so I have to wait to hear the whole heading before I know which option I’m on.   Some panels, like the mail options panel in Outlook have a really long list of choices, so it’s a really tedious process to get to the option I want to change if ti’s far down in the list.  This used to not be the case, but I don’t’ recall when I noticed the change.

 

What are other’s opinions of this behavior? 

Robin

Windows 10, Office 365, JAWS 2019



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moderated Re: Need help with an Excel formula

 

Shirly,

 

That's great that my post helped you get your spreadsheet working again. And we're never too old to keep learning. I think the real problem is losing the desire to keep learning.

 

When you're ready to do next month's spreadsheet, I would suggest starting with your September version, saving it with an October name, inputting the September ending balance in this October spreadsheet, deleting the September input in the October sheet, and you should be ready to go. That may or may not be the same procedures you normally do. Fortunately, with Excel, many different procedures can lead to the same result so you can pick whichever one works best for you.

 

All the best with your Excel efforts and may your account balance remain high and in the black.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need help with an Excel formula

 

Hi Allen,

 

You must be reading my spread sheet. 😊 Absolutely on base. Thank you. That’s just what I wanted.

 

I have manually put in the starting balance (from the prior month), but the calculations were in error after that, so I knew something had to be wrong. That’s when I tried keying in the formula instead of copying it from sheet to sheet. Same problem. But what you gave me is just what I needed. Thanks.

 

So you really can teach an old dog new tricks. I’ll be 74 next month and I’m still learning.

 

Shirley

 

PS Thanks to everyone else who responded.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 8:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need help with an Excel formula

 

Hi Shirley,

 

What might be wrong with your formula is hard to diagnose with the information you've provided. I'll state what I think your bank debits and deposits spreadsheet looks like and we'll go from there. I suspect row 1 is your column headings and that column D contains debits, column E contains deposits, and column F contains a running balance. Assuming you use a different spreadsheet for each month, I would suggest that cell F2 be the opening balance for the month which should equal your closing balance from the previous month's spreadsheet. I personally would manually input the starting balance for cell F2 because I'm not a big fan of using formulas to bring amounts from other spreadsheets. Row 3 should contain the activity for the current month so the formula in cell F3 would be =(F2-D3+E3). I expect columns A through C contain date, description, and some other text field but those don't have formulas and don't seem to be giving you a problem.

 

I would check to make sure your opening balance in cell F2 is a manually input number and then I would input the formula I provided above into cell F3 and go from there. If you're still having problems, make sure columns D through F are formatted as numbers.

 

Good luck.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need help with an Excel formula

 

Hi Listers,

 

First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?

 

Thank you.

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Excel Issue

Van Lant, Robin
 

I don't typically have issues with Excel 365 and Windows 10 unless I'm working with Pivot Tables or large files with autofiltering enabled, then it can crash at times. I haven't figured out the pattern, but I'll be working in a very large Excel file over the next few weeks, , so I'll try to take notes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Issue

Is this in Windows 7 or Windows 10? I use Excel via Office 365 on a Windows 10 computer with Jaws 2019 and I can use it all day long without any issues whatsoever.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Issue

JAWS has trouble working with Excel for over half an hour or so. Sometimes unloading/reloading JAWS will fix it. Sometimes we have to do a complete JAWS shut down and restart. Sometimes it requires a reboot. It's the combination of JAWS and Excel. Sometimes even JAWS and Word,but not as often.
eAt 09:00 PM 9/12/2019, you wrote:
Lately, I have noticed that when I am in Excel, and I am in a
spreadsheet, which I have been using regularly, Excell shuts down when
I want to make a new entry. The spreadsheet is not protected.
When I shut everything down and just have the spreadsheet running ther
is no problem.

I also notice rthat if I shut down JAWS and bring it back up, the
problem goes away for a little while. Any ideas?








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