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Re: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts
David Griffith
To access the Action area press windows key plus A. To access the system tray/ notification area press Windows plus B. To expand the notification area press space on the notification cheveron button after pressing windows B. David Griffith
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From: Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 17 September 2019 05:17 To: jfw@groups.io Subject: JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts
Wondering if there are any shortcuts in order using a windows 10 laptop? I have all updates installed. Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
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Re: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book
tom x
Thanks to those who answered my query about obtaining an exact copy of the
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 3:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Scanning a document in K1000 and Open Book The OpenBook setting doesn't really maintain the format despite what it says. If I needed something exact, I would go with a commercial program like Abbyy fine reader or Prismo. Or even the native ocr package that comes with your scanner. or At 11:26 AM 9/15/2019, you wrote: IN Openbook, there is an exact view setting that
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JAWS and Windows 10 notification area/actions area shortcuts
Loreal Lavigna
Wondering if there are any shortcuts in order using a windows 10 laptop? I have all updates installed. Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
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Re: Windows 10 and emojis
Randy Barnett
You have to be in an edit field, don't you? I do have to tab then tab back to get Jaws to read anything. If I don't it is as if I didn't open anything. It will read the edit field. But after the tab and shift tab I can select them.
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I brought it up but I had to go to the desktop.
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Re: Options dialog boxes in Office 365
Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
All I know to do about this is to learn the alt+ key shortcut for any options you plan to change often, then you can probably hit that key once you’ve tabbed into the page for that category. To my knowledge, no other screen reader will help, it’s just how the Options pages are constructed now.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:47 AM To: JFW list (main@jfw.groups.io) <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Options dialog boxes in Office 365
I switched to Office 365 and also to JAWS sometime around the beginning of 2018. Before that I was a Window Eyes user. I have noticed something about how JAWS reads the choices in the Options dialog box for all Office products that I find challenging. I’m not sure if this started when I started using one of these products or with an update to one of them. I’d like to know if others have found a way to change this behavior or if others agree that it is challenging and warrants a change request to Freedom Scientific. Here’s the issue:
Use Alt F, then T to open the Options dialog box. Arrow up and down to select a panel of options. From here, we tab through all the choices for that group of options. Microsoft has these choices on each panel arranged in groups with headings. As I tab, JAWS is reading the heading before each option. In some cases the heading is long, so I have to wait to hear the whole heading before I know which option I’m on. Some panels, like the mail options panel in Outlook have a really long list of choices, so it’s a really tedious process to get to the option I want to change if ti’s far down in the list. This used to not be the case, but I don’t’ recall when I noticed the change.
What are other’s opinions of this behavior? Robin Windows 10, Office 365, JAWS 2019
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Options dialog boxes in Office 365
Van Lant, Robin
I switched to Office 365 and also to JAWS sometime around the beginning of 2018. Before that I was a Window Eyes user. I have noticed something about how JAWS reads the choices in the Options dialog box for all Office products that I find challenging. I’m not sure if this started when I started using one of these products or with an update to one of them. I’d like to know if others have found a way to change this behavior or if others agree that it is challenging and warrants a change request to Freedom Scientific. Here’s the issue:
Use Alt F, then T to open the Options dialog box. Arrow up and down to select a panel of options. From here, we tab through all the choices for that group of options. Microsoft has these choices on each panel arranged in groups with headings. As I tab, JAWS is reading the heading before each option. In some cases the heading is long, so I have to wait to hear the whole heading before I know which option I’m on. Some panels, like the mail options panel in Outlook have a really long list of choices, so it’s a really tedious process to get to the option I want to change if ti’s far down in the list. This used to not be the case, but I don’t’ recall when I noticed the change.
What are other’s opinions of this behavior? Robin Windows 10, Office 365, JAWS 2019 This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114
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Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Shirly,
That's great that my post helped you get your spreadsheet working again. And we're never too old to keep learning. I think the real problem is losing the desire to keep learning.
When you're ready to do next month's spreadsheet, I would suggest starting with your September version, saving it with an October name, inputting the September ending balance in this October spreadsheet, deleting the September input in the October sheet, and you should be ready to go. That may or may not be the same procedures you normally do. Fortunately, with Excel, many different procedures can lead to the same result so you can pick whichever one works best for you.
All the best with your Excel efforts and may your account balance remain high and in the black.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Allen,
You must be reading my spread sheet. 😊 Absolutely on base. Thank you. That’s just what I wanted.
I have manually put in the starting balance (from the prior month), but the calculations were in error after that, so I knew something had to be wrong. That’s when I tried keying in the formula instead of copying it from sheet to sheet. Same problem. But what you gave me is just what I needed. Thanks.
So you really can teach an old dog new tricks. I’ll be 74 next month and I’m still learning.
Shirley
PS Thanks to everyone else who responded.
Shirley Tracy
From: Alan Lemly
Hi Shirley,
What might be wrong with your formula is hard to diagnose with the information you've provided. I'll state what I think your bank debits and deposits spreadsheet looks like and we'll go from there. I suspect row 1 is your column headings and that column D contains debits, column E contains deposits, and column F contains a running balance. Assuming you use a different spreadsheet for each month, I would suggest that cell F2 be the opening balance for the month which should equal your closing balance from the previous month's spreadsheet. I personally would manually input the starting balance for cell F2 because I'm not a big fan of using formulas to bring amounts from other spreadsheets. Row 3 should contain the activity for the current month so the formula in cell F3 would be =(F2-D3+E3). I expect columns A through C contain date, description, and some other text field but those don't have formulas and don't seem to be giving you a problem.
I would check to make sure your opening balance in cell F2 is a manually input number and then I would input the formula I provided above into cell F3 and go from there. If you're still having problems, make sure columns D through F are formatted as numbers.
Good luck.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Hi Listers,
First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?
Thank you.
Shirley
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Re: Excel Issue
Van Lant, Robin
I don't typically have issues with Excel 365 and Windows 10 unless I'm working with Pivot Tables or large files with autofiltering enabled, then it can crash at times. I haven't figured out the pattern, but I'll be working in a very large Excel file over the next few weeks, , so I'll try to take notes.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 9:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel Issue Is this in Windows 7 or Windows 10? I use Excel via Office 365 on a Windows 10 computer with Jaws 2019 and I can use it all day long without any issues whatsoever. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 7:35 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel Issue JAWS has trouble working with Excel for over half an hour or so. Sometimes unloading/reloading JAWS will fix it. Sometimes we have to do a complete JAWS shut down and restart. Sometimes it requires a reboot. It's the combination of JAWS and Excel. Sometimes even JAWS and Word,but not as often. eAt 09:00 PM 9/12/2019, you wrote: Lately, I have noticed that when I am in Excel, and I am in a This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to mailto:DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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"R1C1 reference style". Be sure this box is not checked. RE: Need help with an Excel formula
Van Lant, Robin
It’s also good to note that formulas like this don’t work if your spreadsheet has gotten switched to R1C1 cell referencing. This occasionally happens to me if I download a report from certain programs. However it occurs, you can check and change this setting under File / Options / Formulas and tab to the first checkbox under Working with Excel formulas, In my recollection, JAWS still reads cell references at A1, B2, and so on, even if the reference style e gets switched. I usually figure out I’m having a problem only when I try to type in a formula and it dosen’t recognize the alphanumeric cell references.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shirley Tracy
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 1:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Listers,
First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?
Thank you.
Shirley
This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114
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Re: Problems with Outlook 365
Office version 2019 applies only to the retail version of Office. If you are subscribed to Office 365 your version will still read something like 16.0.12026.20108 which is what it currently shows for me.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 12:39 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problems with Outlook 365
How do I switch to the monthly channel for updates of Office 365? I’ve just tried to update and been advised my latest update was October 2018 and I am up-to-date. On checking I still appear to be on the 2016 build. I have 3 machines and they all report the same thing including one which is new on which 365 was installed 4 weeks ago. I am in the UK but I assume I should still be on the 2019 build.
Thanks
John John Gurd
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Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Shirley Tracy
Hi Allen,
You must be reading my spread sheet. 😊 Absolutely on base. Thank you. That’s just what I wanted.
I have manually put in the starting balance (from the prior month), but the calculations were in error after that, so I knew something had to be wrong. That’s when I tried keying in the formula instead of copying it from sheet to sheet. Same problem. But what you gave me is just what I needed. Thanks.
So you really can teach an old dog new tricks. I’ll be 74 next month and I’m still learning.
Shirley
PS Thanks to everyone else who responded.
Shirley Tracy
From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 8:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Shirley,
What might be wrong with your formula is hard to diagnose with the information you've provided. I'll state what I think your bank debits and deposits spreadsheet looks like and we'll go from there. I suspect row 1 is your column headings and that column D contains debits, column E contains deposits, and column F contains a running balance. Assuming you use a different spreadsheet for each month, I would suggest that cell F2 be the opening balance for the month which should equal your closing balance from the previous month's spreadsheet. I personally would manually input the starting balance for cell F2 because I'm not a big fan of using formulas to bring amounts from other spreadsheets. Row 3 should contain the activity for the current month so the formula in cell F3 would be =(F2-D3+E3). I expect columns A through C contain date, description, and some other text field but those don't have formulas and don't seem to be giving you a problem.
I would check to make sure your opening balance in cell F2 is a manually input number and then I would input the formula I provided above into cell F3 and go from there. If you're still having problems, make sure columns D through F are formatted as numbers.
Good luck.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Hi Listers,
First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?
Thank you.
Shirley
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Re: Problems with Outlook 365
John Gurd
How do I switch to the monthly channel for updates of Office 365? I’ve just tried to update and been advised my latest update was October 2018 and I am up-to-date. On checking I still appear to be on the 2016 build. I have 3 machines and they all report the same thing including one which is new on which 365 was installed 4 weeks ago. I am in the UK but I assume I should still be on the 2019 build.
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Thanks John John Gurd
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Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Glenn / Lenny
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Some of my spreadsheets have quite a few formulas
in them, so I typically just save it under another name, and go in and delete
the variable data for a clean spreadsheet.
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Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Shirley,
What might be wrong with your formula is hard to diagnose with the information you've provided. I'll state what I think your bank debits and deposits spreadsheet looks like and we'll go from there. I suspect row 1 is your column headings and that column D contains debits, column E contains deposits, and column F contains a running balance. Assuming you use a different spreadsheet for each month, I would suggest that cell F2 be the opening balance for the month which should equal your closing balance from the previous month's spreadsheet. I personally would manually input the starting balance for cell F2 because I'm not a big fan of using formulas to bring amounts from other spreadsheets. Row 3 should contain the activity for the current month so the formula in cell F3 would be =(F2-D3+E3). I expect columns A through C contain date, description, and some other text field but those don't have formulas and don't seem to be giving you a problem.
I would check to make sure your opening balance in cell F2 is a manually input number and then I would input the formula I provided above into cell F3 and go from there. If you're still having problems, make sure columns D through F are formatted as numbers.
Good luck.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Listers,
First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?
Thank you.
Shirley
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Re: Does the latest ITuneds work with JFW 2019?
I wouldn’t quite call it a horror and if you have an iPhone you may not have a choice but to use it for a few things. But if all you are concerned about it having an app for your music, making playlists and playing them then I agree that iTunes wuldn’t be my first choice.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 3:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Does the latest ITuneds work with JFW 2019?
Hi. I wouldn't wish ITune for Windows on my worst enemy. Stick to Winamp or Groove Music or Windows Media player even and they should do a more then adequate job of allowing you to organize your music collection. ITunes is excellent on the mac, but a horror on windows. Cheers! On 9/14/2019 2:07 AM, Kevin Meyers wrote:
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Re: Does the latest ITuneds work with JFW 2019?
Except if it's a 32-bit app where the developer never bothered to change it 64-bit, in this case you maybe able to install it on your iPhone (not sure), but it sure won't run since only 64-bit apps will work.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 11:21 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Does the latest ITuneds work with JFW 2019? if anyone still has i tunes version 12.60 i would not upgrade. this is the last version that allows you to backup your apps on your computer. at least if you have bought an app and it is removed from the apple app store you would still have it on your computer and could reinstall it. you can not do this with the newest i tunes version. -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Supernaw Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 9:10 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Does the latest ITuneds work with JFW 2019? Hi, I have been putting off letting ITunes update to the latest version. Before I do I thought I’d find out if I will regret it. Thanks.
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Re: Windows 10 and emojis
David Diamond
I tried it in sending a message to myself via computer and even in a post on Facebook. It worked in both situations. 😊
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: September 15, 2019 4:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis
I brought it up but I had to go to the desktop.
Maria Campbell
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 9/15/2019 7:06 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote: > Nothing happens when I press windows key and the period. Is there some > other keys I can bring this up? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard > Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:45 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis > > Windows + Period brings up the emoji panel and you can arrow around or > if you type something like "face" or grin" it will show only emojis like that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy > Barnett > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 4:32 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis > > After doing windows period Did you tab? > > Randy Barnett owner of soundtique > > On Sep 14, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I wondered whether anyone has found an accessible way to type emojis > in Windows 10 using JAWS 2019. > > I have tried by bringing up the Windows touch keyboard from the System > Tray, but don't seem to be able to enter the emojis using JAWS > commands on the physical keyboard - I have tried the touch cursor without success. > > I have had limited success in finding emojis on the screen itself, but > scrolling is a bit unreliable/at an awkward angle as I'm using a laptop. > > I have tried a couple of windows shortcuts which are meant to bring up > emojis - Windows semi-colon and Windows period, but they don't seem to work. > > Does anyone have any suggestions either things I can do differently > using the methods I've already tried or something else? > > Cheers, > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Need help with an Excel formula
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
I put your formula in my spread sheet and it works. Maybe add sum to the formula. Like:
=sum(E3-D3)+F2
Both ways worked in my spread sheet.
Kevin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Need help with an Excel formula
Hi Listers,
First, I do not fully know how to use Excel like many of you who probably use it for work. But I do use it for keeping our Writers Club’s roster and my bank account spread sheets. I used to have a formula that I could use in keeping a spread sheet of my bank debits and deposits—balancing my account. The formula I was given was =(E3-D3)+F2 and it helped me keep account of the totals when putting in debits and credits. Used to work great. Now, however, when I start a new monthly spread sheet, I get a message that the formula I key in is an error. I don’t know if something has gotten erased from the formula I had in my original file, or if the formulas have changed over time. Otherwise, I have no need to learn Excel. Can someone just please help me with this formula or tell me what might be wrong?
Thank you.
Shirley
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Re: Windows 10 and emojis
Maria Campbell
I brought it up but I had to go to the desktop.
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Maria Campbell lucky1inct@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 9/15/2019 7:06 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:
Nothing happens when I press windows key and the period. Is there some other
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Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Nothing happens when I press windows key and the period. Is there some other
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keys I can bring this up?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:45 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis Windows + Period brings up the emoji panel and you can arrow around or if you type something like "face" or grin" it will show only emojis like that. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 4:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows 10 and emojis After doing windows period Did you tab? Randy Barnett owner of soundtique On Sep 14, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, I wondered whether anyone has found an accessible way to type emojis in Windows 10 using JAWS 2019. I have tried by bringing up the Windows touch keyboard from the System Tray, but don't seem to be able to enter the emojis using JAWS commands on the physical keyboard - I have tried the touch cursor without success. I have had limited success in finding emojis on the screen itself, but scrolling is a bit unreliable/at an awkward angle as I'm using a laptop. I have tried a couple of windows shortcuts which are meant to bring up emojis - Windows semi-colon and Windows period, but they don't seem to work. Does anyone have any suggestions either things I can do differently using the methods I've already tried or something else? Cheers, Ed
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