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Re: firefox

Cristóbal
 

They're on a six week cycle now.

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:01 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: firefox

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last
week! hahah


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From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

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On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:50 AM
To: jfw
Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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Re: firefox

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

What...they're on v10 already? What the devil, I just downloaded v9 last week! hahah

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: firefox


Am on 10 right now and it's fine. JFW 13.

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On Behalf Of Kimsan
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Subject: firefox

Hi,



Which version of ff are people using these days that work with jaws fairly
well?



Thanks.



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Re: JAWS for students

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

Sy... Yes, I am quite familiar with his work. Unfortunately sometimes you need to fight like the devil to get some districts to provide services because of limited funds and/or personnell who don't have the necessary skills. After being a special ed teacher and now an advocate, it is sometimes very exasperating.

Thanks,
Sandy


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From: "Cy Selfridge" <cyselfridge@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:43 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: JAWS for students

Hi Sandy,
Have you ever encountered Pete Wright or his book "Wright's Law"?
If not I suggest that you get a copy as it addressed what the Federal Law
requires school districts to actually do for special needs children.
Cy

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On Behalf Of sandy stegmayer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



--------------------------------------------------
Boy are you right about the "finding out" process. I am semiretired and
work with parents whose kids have spepcial needs of various kinds and it is
terrible how many school systems don't tell them about all the assistive
tech that would benefit their children. That's part of my job. Some of the
schools aren't too happy when they see me walk in with a parent for a
meeting.

Sandy
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:38 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, worst than the product being expensive. lots of us are a long time
even finding out that the product is there for us, thenwe have to cope
with can we afford it or not. it is baby steps, then learning how to use
it is fun. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am
sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus
you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and
this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for
all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some
of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation
from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club
pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

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From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there
with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can
access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government
bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to
fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my
last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
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On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win
7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all
of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Cy Selfridge
 

You got that right about computers being expensive in the 80s.
I had more than $10,000 in my Apple II+ which included 2 floppy drives, a
monitor and a Epson printer. It had 48K of memory and the floppies could
hold 115K of info each using the Z80 card.
Last year I bought my wife a HP laptop with 6 gig ram, 600 gig hard drive
and a quad core processor for just about $600. Geez, what power for the
money.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Charles Coe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Before computers the blind did what others did, make do with what was
available. Jobs for the blind were not easily acquired and accessing info
was very difficult to say the least.

Computers in the 80s were in the several thousands of dollars and text to
speech software was over $1,000 not to mention the synthesizer cost that had
to be purchased in order to accommodate the text to speech software. Yes
there was more than one or two companies who produced screen readers, but
they are no longer in business.


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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it quoted
on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions require that
it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they
think it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument
is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates
are blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this
instead of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets
where the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is
on the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection
than 101, it is an accepted principle of economics that a firm
which can discriminate in price will make more money than one
which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't pay the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more
money on those who can pay and makes incremental revenue on those
who otherwise wouldn't buy. I could demonstrate this
geometrically, but that's a little beyond the purpose of this
list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would
be smart to discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and
assumptions that tend to undermine the price discrimination
strategy for profit maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the
low-price jurisdiction to sell into the high price jurisdiction
in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this very list points out the problem. It is generally believed,
rightly or wrongly, that regard for copyright rules and laws is
less in third world countries than is the case here. So, firms
often believe that for every one legitimate copy of a product
sold into a third world country, ten illegal copies will be made.
So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The effect of the piracy
is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all
the above actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the
thorn from its paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while
you are in the process.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people
don't have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general
community. I say that computer access very definitely is a human
right for the blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind
people poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for a product is based on what it cost to develop, what
it costs to duplicate, what it costs to support, what the
employees earn in salary, what it costs to rent the building,
what the next version will need for development, etc.; all
divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a large cost borne by a small group = high cost per
copy. Simple economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We
had no alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS
available for our young daughter to grow up with and learn
about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the same problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep
actually paying for them as opposed to choosing the route of
theft, which would clearly be much more practical for my family
financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support (and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish to me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy
of the program easily and legally for as long as you like (to
my understanding) with free upgrades and all, but apparently
the frequent restarting of the computer is too inconvenient for
you, so you therefore need to steal the product and brag about
it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding,
the product is still being paid for. The issue is that the
company and PEOPLE who develop and support the product also
have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if
enough people are stealing their products they'll just stop
developing and supporting them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't get paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of
business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February 04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff
is so out of reach for many. because of slimy people like
this guy who wants short cuts instead of doing things the
correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try similar things
it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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JAWS for students

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi Sandy,
Have you ever encountered Pete Wright or his book "Wright's Law"?
If not I suggest that you get a copy as it addressed what the Federal Law
requires school districts to actually do for special needs children.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of sandy stegmayer
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:56 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7



--------------------------------------------------
Boy are you right about the "finding out" process. I am semiretired and
work with parents whose kids have spepcial needs of various kinds and it is
terrible how many school systems don't tell them about all the assistive
tech that would benefit their children. That's part of my job. Some of the
schools aren't too happy when they see me walk in with a parent for a
meeting.

Sandy
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:38 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, worst than the product being expensive. lots of us are a long time
even finding out that the product is there for us, thenwe have to cope
with can we afford it or not. it is baby steps, then learning how to use
it is fun. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am
sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus
you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and
this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for
all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some
of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation
from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club
pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there
with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can
access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government
bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to
fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I
put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my
last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price
of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win
7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all
of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Kerri <kootenaycreek@...>
 

Not necessarily, at least not here in Canada.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of michael grove
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:24 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

And besides I don't know anyone that cant get it if they need it. There are
so many agencies that will get it for someone that needs it. It doesn't
even have to be for employement. Do a little research for crying out loud.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short cuts
instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you who try
similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to do things
the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

Roger,

You are correct. I apologize.

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:37 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

People, this talk about guide dogs and economics is interesting and, as a matter of fact, I have some strong opinions on economics myself and have been bursting to express them in reply to some of these messages. However, it is not very germain to what the list is about. I am subscribed to several lists and every now and then there is an explosion of traffic because of off topic threads. That happened just recently on the BARDTalk list and I almost unsubscribed because of it. I stuck it out, though, and traffic has died down a bit. Nevertheless, I only have so much time in the day to read email. As interested as I might be in economics and as opinionated as I might be about that subject, I subscribed to this list in order to learn how to make the best use of JAWS. Could we please get back to that topic and drop economics and guide dogs so that I will not have to unsubscribe.
On 2/4/2012 1:28 PM, sandy stegmayer wrote:
Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final training stage.

-----Original Message----- From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of $1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@...>
 

People, this talk about guide dogs and economics is interesting and, as a matter of fact, I have some strong opinions on economics myself and have been bursting to express them in reply to some of these messages. However, it is not very germain to what the list is about. I am subscribed to several lists and every now and then there is an explosion of traffic because of off topic threads. That happened just recently on the BARDTalk list and I almost unsubscribed because of it. I stuck it out, though, and traffic has died down a bit. Nevertheless, I only have so much time in the day to read email. As interested as I might be in economics and as opinionated as I might be about that subject, I subscribed to this list in order to learn how to make the best use of JAWS. Could we please get back to that topic and drop economics and guide dogs so that I will not have to unsubscribe.

On 2/4/2012 1:28 PM, sandy stegmayer wrote:
Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

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From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final training stage.

-----Original Message----- From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of $1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

wogg le4 <woggle4@...>
 

If people are interested, I will set up a patition, online, that it
will be easy to sign and which we can then send to FS.
Look, maybe they'll play ball and maybe not but we can at least
1 raise awareness and
2 ask them, maybe even put a little pressure on them?

Let's face it, signing a petition is as simple as going to a link and
clicking a couple buttons.

I'm only going to consider this if people are interested, so let me
know your thoughts.

On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
If this patitian can be made official and we can get FS to look at it,
then I'll definatly sign it. If all of us do something extra we might
even get non jaws users to sign it by getting them to understand how
much it costs extra for a blind person just to use a computer. On the
other hand FS might just say they don't need to buy jaws they can just
use NVDA because it is availible as a free altirnative. If they don't
want to play ball the only way to force them would be to stop buying
there product, if a update comes out like jaws 14 no one must buy it.
Ok I know this is thinking ahead and a lot of people probably won't go
this far and big companies using jaws won't take part in something
like this but it's just a thought.

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear list,

I write to ask whether people would be prepared to support a petition
asking for the price of JAWS to be lowered, not for ourselves but for
blind people in the developing world.

The fact is that there are thousands, probably milions of blind people
around the world who cannot afford to buy JAWS or any other screen
reader.
This is a vicious circle for most, since without the independence that
computers bring, they will struggle to make money, to get a job, to
live the kinds of independent lives you take for granted.

I think a petition by JAWS users should carry some weight with the firm.

Let me know if you are interested.

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Re: Petition on Price of Jaws in Third World

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

If this patitian can be made official and we can get FS to look at it,
then I'll definatly sign it. If all of us do something extra we might
even get non jaws users to sign it by getting them to understand how
much it costs extra for a blind person just to use a computer. On the
other hand FS might just say they don't need to buy jaws they can just
use NVDA because it is availible as a free altirnative. If they don't
want to play ball the only way to force them would be to stop buying
there product, if a update comes out like jaws 14 no one must buy it.
Ok I know this is thinking ahead and a lot of people probably won't go
this far and big companies using jaws won't take part in something
like this but it's just a thought.

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear list,

I write to ask whether people would be prepared to support a petition
asking for the price of JAWS to be lowered, not for ourselves but for
blind people in the developing world.

The fact is that there are thousands, probably milions of blind people
around the world who cannot afford to buy JAWS or any other screen
reader.
This is a vicious circle for most, since without the independence that
computers bring, they will struggle to make money, to get a job, to
live the kinds of independent lives you take for granted.

I think a petition by JAWS users should carry some weight with the firm.

Let me know if you are interested.

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Peter Holdstock <ptrholdstock@...>
 

I've got a great way of getting it to work. Why don't you try buying it like the rest of us? Why should you have it for free and the rest of us pay? Maybe you should take this off list.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

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Gosh, I can't speak for Canada but in the States students often get the equipment from the rehab agency while attending school or the school has it. Organizations like Easter Seals or the Lions Clubs also help individuals obtain equipment.

I have purchased my equipment and know how expensive it is. Here in the States, we can deduct it from our taxes if we use it for employment.

As I said earlier... Life isn't fair and unfortunately sometimes we just have to go with the flow. Believe me, I've been there.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kerri " <kootenaycreek@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:41 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I do respect that rehabilitation services can and do provide these computers
for individuals. But what happens when, as has been my case, I had to
purchase all my equipment out of pocket? I did attend university but here in
Canada, one can only obtain equipment if one maintains a good grade point
average which I could not do due to no accessible books nor readers. I do
not say this to enlist pity but to say that so9me people do not have access
to any funding.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:18 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my
blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist
those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and
computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will
be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will
be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation so I,for one
am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to
understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals
who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever
reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so
helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in
heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them.
I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons
feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more
people around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially
a 3rd world country compared to America and England. I can aford a
computer, software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in
this country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more
than half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to
aford their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is,
what happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the
main streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind
people because they know, the blind people need their products to
funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog.
plus you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am
in canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50
for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have
used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do
with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell
you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the
case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your
dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including
transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you,
this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of
respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the
lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise
it's rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi
accessible software which I can access better with NVDA than
with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned, does it really
cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite,
that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15
or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay about
equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from
the government through income tax but you must still have the
cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before you can
claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only
I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in
my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail
regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid
government benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of
making things equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would
justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of
subsidied agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full
price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit
Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who
wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Karen Hughes <khughes8@...>
 

if u live in canada, call your local c n i b office and ask who you have to contact to be approved to get the equipment. i have a person in toronto, or burlington or london ontario. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri" <kootenaycreek@gmail.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I do respect that rehabilitation services can and do provide these computers
for individuals. But what happens when, as has been my case, I had to
purchase all my equipment out of pocket? I did attend university but here in
Canada, one can only obtain equipment if one maintains a good grade point
average which I could not do due to no accessible books nor readers. I do
not say this to enlist pity but to say that so9me people do not have access
to any funding.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:18 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my
blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist
those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and
computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will
be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will
be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation so I,for one
am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to
understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals
who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever
reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so
helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in
heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them.
I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons
feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more
people around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially
a 3rd world country compared to America and England. I can aford a
computer, software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in
this country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more
than half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to
aford their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is,
what happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the
main streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind
people because they know, the blind people need their products to
funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog.
plus you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am
in canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50
for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have
used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do
with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell
you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the
case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your
dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including
transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you,
this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of
respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the
lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise
it's rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi
accessible software which I can access better with NVDA than
with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned, does it really
cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite,
that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15
or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay about
equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from
the government through income tax but you must still have the
cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before you can
claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only
I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in
my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail
regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid
government benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of
making things equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would
justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of
subsidied agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full
price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit
Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who
wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg
le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

Seeing Eye is in Morristown New Jersey, about a 45 minute drive from New York City. It was the original guide dog school started after World War I to help blinded vets. Dorothy Hustus was the founder and her first student in the U.S was Morris Frank. It is because of their work that service dogs are now allowed to go where the general public can go.
I think their website is theseeingeye.org.

Sandy

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:40 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

were is seeing eye, karen
----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@listsI am now Karen but when I got my first dog I still had a little vision. What school did you apply to. If you don't get in, try Seeing Eye in Morristown NJ. Many Canadians attend there and it is like a vacation... private rooms with a private bathroom, great food, wondrful staff and trainer and of course, great dogs. You will find having a dog not only allows you to move more quickly but it is a great way to meet people. I found people often shy away from a person with a cane but easily start conversations with someone with a dog.

Good luck,
Sandy
.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i have been working on mobility skills for a long time and find being totally blind, this is a real challenge. some times i get pretty frustrated. this winter has been wonderful because last winter we had so much snow. how does one deal with this. i had my interview three weeks ago and not heard the verdict yet. will try to call them next week if they dont contact me. are you totally blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I hope you do not catch cold standing in line out there in the cold.(smile)

I had waited about six months for my first guide. Not so long for my second
and third.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have been
from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal. The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@...>
 

I understand and also encourage people not to see blind and disabled
people as charity cases but currently the few who's starting to
understand rather see's blind and disabled people as people wanting to
live as normal as possible lives but who's being ripped off by
companies just because they can't do without assistive devices. As I
previously mentioned, in our country you can buy the stuff and then a
year later clame it back from the government as part of your income
tax. What we're currently fighting for is for the government just to
buy the people the stuff in the first place because even though you
can get the money back in a years time, most people still don't have
the type of money to buy something as expensive as jaws, and no bank
will borrow you money for a year without paying it back with some
interest. But as someone else also mentioned the probblem is those few
people who takes advantage of the situation and who will apply for
more products than they need and then sell the products or something
to make themselves some money.

On 2/4/12, Kerri <kootenaycreek@gmail.com> wrote:
I do respect that rehabilitation services can and do provide these computers
for individuals. But what happens when, as has been my case, I had to
purchase all my equipment out of pocket? I did attend university but here in
Canada, one can only obtain equipment if one maintains a good grade point
average which I could not do due to no accessible books nor readers. I do
not say this to enlist pity but to say that so9me people do not have access
to any funding.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:18 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my
blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist
those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and
computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will
be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will
be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation so I,for one
am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to
understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals
who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever
reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so
helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in
heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them.
I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons
feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more
people around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially
a 3rd world country compared to America and England. I can aford a
computer, software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in
this country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more
than half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to
aford their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is,
what happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the
main streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind
people because they know, the blind people need their products to
funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog.
plus you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am
in canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50
for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have
used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do
with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell
you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the
case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your
dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including
transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you,
this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of
respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the
lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise
it's rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi
accessible software which I can access better with NVDA than
with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned, does it really
cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite,
that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15
or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay about
equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from
the government through income tax but you must still have the
cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before you can
claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only
I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in
my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail
regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid
government benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of
making things equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would
justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of
subsidied agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full
price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit
Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who
wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg
le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

--------------------------------------------------
Boy are you right about the "finding out" process. I am semiretired and work with parents whose kids have spepcial needs of various kinds and it is terrible how many school systems don't tell them about all the assistive tech that would benefit their children. That's part of my job. Some of the schools aren't too happy when they see me walk in with a parent for a meeting.

Sandy
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:38 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

sandy, worst than the product being expensive. lots of us are a long time even finding out that the product is there for us, thenwe have to cope with can we afford it or not. it is baby steps, then learning how to use it is fun. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

sandy stegmayer <ssteg@...>
 

I admire your goal of becoming an independent and productive but I can't condone the method if it means doing something illegal or immoral. I don't know where you live but try investigating overnment services or those of charities which help train the blind. Two wrongs never make a right and large corporations or whatever all employ people who are effected by the level of profits the company makes.
The target of your crime isn't the problem. Its size or structure doesn't make the act wrong, it is the action of the person committing the crime. right is right and wrong is wrong. Frankly, I think our world is falling apart because of so many situations being considered"relative."

Good luck. Try to find an ethical way of attaining your goal. You will respect yoursself much more in the final analysis.

Sandy

--------------------------------------------------
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:37 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

Hi Sandy,

Fair dues. I would say that was extremely tough. Actually, I agree
with much of what you say.
I don't do this lightly but when push come's to shove, I will do
whatever it takes to make myself an independent and productive person.

If that mean's breaking the law because there isn't any other way,
well when the "victim" is a large faceless corporation that I think is
overcharging anyway, then yes, I'll do that too.

Is it really "poor me" to point out that we're being overcharged?

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:
Before computers I used readers, braille and recorded books. I completged
much of my graduate school education before computers. Ath the time I worked
as a teacher of kids with learning disabilities. It wasn't easy and it took
more time for me to complete tasks than my sighted peers but I did it. As I
told my students, life isn't, not will it ever be, fair and if you want to
succeed you need to put out the extra effort to be/do what you want.
Unfortunately manu blind ( and sighted too) people allow well meaning people
to "enable" them. From all the blind persons I have known, the happiest and
most productive are those who have been responsible for themselves and have
worked hard with the opportunities they have had... and haven't had.
Please, I don't mean to offend anyone but the tome of many of the posts have
taken a "poor me" tone. In the long run, that is not helpful. And as for
pirating, it is nothing more than theft and in my opinion, that is breaking
the law and there sould be some sort of negative consequences.

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "wogg le4" <woggle4@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

What did you end up doing before Computers?

And is FS actually a private company - a close corporation - or is it
quoted on the stock market?

If the latter, then its accounts ought to be available publicly.

Even if it's actually private (closely held) most jurisdictions
require that it files accounts.



On 2/4/12, Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@gmail.com> wrote:
And worst of all is that there's actually blind people working for FS
and they know exactly what we need and that we have no other options
but to pay for the product.

On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
i think the whole thing is that when someone has a label put on them
such as "blind" or"disabled", all bets are off and the companies who
make products for that very specialized market have a field day with
it. they know we need many of their products and i don't think they
really care too much as long as they sell what they make. but if
someone in their realm of reality gets hit with the same label, they
react very differently. then everything is too expensive and they think
it's unfair. funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it?

On 2/4/2012 1:41 PM, deadcatbounce wrote:
I don't believe that FS is publically traded.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked


Are FS's accounts available publicly? What profit margins does it
make on jaws?

On 2/4/12, wogg le4 <woggle4@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with your description of the advantages of price
discrimination.

However, your "piracy is greater in 3rd world countries" argument is
1 Overbroad, it is true in some countries but by no means all,
2 May not apply to blind people ... How many significant pirates are
blind? Will pirates really concentrate on a product like this instead
of a mass market programme DVD whatever?

Even if it were correct, it would only cut revenues if there was a
way
of getting the pirated copies from the 3rd world, into markets where
the company makes money currently, to undercut the price.

Your post also ignores the human rights dimention. For the blind,
computing is a human right these days.

Do you really think that copyright law is going to continue in its
current form? When you look at torrents etc., I say the writing is on
the wall.

Will there be copyright in the future? Yes but it will be
significantly different and more permissive.

Finally, does your moral outrage extend only to me or would you
support a petition re the 3rd world, aimed at FS?

If not, then I think you're focusing on the symptem and not on the
disease.



On 2/4/12, Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@kutakrock.com> wrote:
Although it may be a little further down the course selection than
101,
it
is an accepted principle of economics that a firm which can
discriminate
in
price will make more money than one which cannot.
Those who can pay more are charged more. Those who otherwise
couldn't
pay
the high price, pay less. So, the firm makes more money on those
who can
pay and makes incremental revenue on those who otherwise wouldn't
buy. I
could demonstrate this geometrically, but that's a little beyond the
purpose
of this list.
The above principle would suggest that Freedom Scientific would be
smart
to
discriminate in price.
There are, however, certain so-called externalities and assumptions
that
tend to undermine the price discrimination strategy for profit
maximization.
First, for price discrimination to work, there can be no
possibility for
arbitrage, e.g., ability for the buyers in the low-price
jurisdiction to
sell into the high price jurisdiction in competition with the firm.
Second, this assumes equal background regimes. The discussion on
this
very
list points out the problem. It is generally believed, rightly or
wrongly,
that regard for copyright rules and laws is less in third world
countries
than is the case here. So, firms often believe that for every one
legitimate copy of a product sold into a third world country, ten
illegal
copies will be made. So, the price is adjusted accordingly. The
effect
of
the piracy is to increase the price ten times (over simplified).
I'm not making this up. I'm a tech lawyer, and I've heard all the
above
actually articulated.
So, unfortunately, that's the way it is.
As much as you would like to help the puppy by extracting the thorn
from
its
paw, it is still likely to bite your hand while you are in the
process.


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Simple Economics 101 Was: Cracked

So you're really saying that you would rather starve than steal
food?

You're "simple economics" is a little over simplified.

What it doesn't take account of is the opportunity cost.

There are many people, in the world (perhaps not in the US) who
can't
afford to buy this.

Not people who won't pay, people who genuinely can't pay.

Now, JAWS developers make nothing from those people. Why? Well
because
they can't pay.

However, the current pricing structure means that those people don't
have access to a computer, in real terms.

Computing may or may not be a human right for the general community.

I
say that computer access very definitely is a human right for the
blind.

Without it, our interactions with the outside world are severely
restricted.

Why won't FS offer reduced price versions of the programme in say
the 3rd
world?

Their failure to do so make's the lives of milions of blind people
poorer.



On 2/4/12, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:
good point. i still don't like some of this stuff, but i
certainly do
get it.

On 2/4/2012 12:12 PM, Farfar and His Beamer wrote:
Richard,

I like your style.

To amplify what I believe cecropia64 was saying: The price
charged for
a
product is based on what it cost to develop, what it costs to
duplicate,
what it costs to support, what the employees earn in salary, what
it
costs
to rent the building, what the next version will need for
development,
etc.;
all divided by the number of copies to be sold.

A rather large amount of investment for a fairly small (in
Windows or
Apple
terms) user community. We are after all a niche community of
users so a
large cost borne by a small group = high cost per copy. Simple
economics.

Dave Carlson
Sent from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell
Latitude
E6520 and Windows 7


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:40
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I feel a perfect fool-- We paid full price, out of pocket. We had
no
alternative source of funding, and we wanted JAWS available for
our
young
daughter to grow up with and learn about.

Silly me, it never crossed my mind to just steal a copy. I have
the
same
problem when shopping for food or clothes, I keep actually paying
for
them
as opposed to choosing the route of theft, which would clearly be
much
more
practical for my family financially.

Maybe if you feel the need to steal software, posting that you
support
(and
do) such things is not the most prudent idea? What seems really
foolish
to
me about all of this is that you can use a demo copy of the
program
easily
and legally for as long as you like (to my understanding) with
free
upgrades
and all, but apparently the frequent restarting of the computer
is too
inconvenient for you, so you therefore need to steal the product
and
brag
about it?

Oh, and if someone gets JAWS bought with appropriate funding, the
product
is
still being paid for. The issue is that the company and PEOPLE who
develop
and support the product also have to get paid for their efforts.
At a
certain point, be it Freedom Scientific or Microsoft, if enough
people
are
stealing their products they'll just stop developing and
supporting
them.

I'm funny about things myself, just like these companies-- if I
don't
get
paid for my work I run out of money and I go out of business.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Juan Pablo wrote:

Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday,
February
04,
2012 12:53 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re:
Crack
For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is
so
out
of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all
of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us
who
try
to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

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Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

Sandy, I get and hear what you are saying, but understand that everyone is different with different needs, whether it be medical, financial, or what have you. however I am on the work program, but in the mean time, I have been so blessed to have such assistance;I do not take what I don't need, or do I ask for things just to ask;however it is a training to help me prepare myself to find a job;I am a clinical therepis with a Psychological back ground, and am in the middle of re opening my office, but with out the proper training, this will not happen;how think if we want to talk more we may do so offlist;for this topic is not intended for this one, but I am very open to hear suggestions and am not taking any sides, and no, I am not helping myself,so that I may assist other's to do the same.
However a great pat on the back to those who has been able to provide for themselves, and I am not knocking that, that to is a great blessing to be able to do things for themselves,as I was very successful, before my sight was taken, and I am not complainig or crying about that, I am climbing up that latter that sent me down, but with a attitude of hope and the endurance, think we all can get to where we want to.
For those who can not "provide" such programs like Jaws and such, thank goodness there are programs like the Dept. of Rehab to assist, as they climb up the latter to be independant again.
I am preparing myself to assist those who are, or was once in my shoes to do the same.
Like I said if you wish to continue, think off list would be best done, since we are now getting carried away, and this topic is for another kind of list.
my aapology to mod and owner on my behalf, I will not continue this thread, as it is being disrespectful of me to do so.
and now back to the real subject... jaws and how jaws can help us get to where need to be as indivials who want to better themselves.
Respectfully and so appreciated,
Sugar
"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


And that is the point I would nlike to make. Sugar, you are helping yourself and as such deserve to be helped. I used to work for the Commission for the Blind inb MA and many clients were helped to go on and become productive citizens. Sadly however, there were also a fair amount that wanted no mare than to "milk the system" and you could never do enough for them. Who do you think would ever want to hire someone like that?

Sandy


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sugar" <sugarsyl71@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:17 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation
so I,for one am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the same
from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them. I am sick of
all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons feel sorry for us. And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some blind
persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do something
constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more people
around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially a 3rd
world country compared to America and England. I can aford a computer,
software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in this
country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more than
half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to aford
their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is, what
happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the main
streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind people
because they know, the blind people need their products to funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
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Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Charles Coe
 

Hi,

It is in Morris Town, New Jersey USA.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

were is seeing eye, karen
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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:02 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@listsI am now Karen but when
I got my first dog I still had a little vision. What school did you apply
to. If you don't get in, try Seeing Eye in Morristown NJ. Many Canadians
attend there and it is like a vacation... private rooms with a private
bathroom, great food, wondrful staff and trainer and of course, great
dogs. You will find having a dog not only allows you to move more quickly
but it is a great way to meet people. I found people often shy away from a
person with a cane but easily start conversations with someone with a dog.

Good luck,
Sandy
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Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i have been working on mobility skills for a long time and find being
totally blind, this is a real challenge. some times i get pretty
frustrated. this winter has been wonderful because last winter we had so
much snow. how does one deal with this. i had my interview three weeks
ago and not heard the verdict yet. will try to call them next week if
they dont contact me. are you totally blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Coe" <charlesmar@comcast.net>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


I hope you do not catch cold standing in line out there in the
cold.(smile)

I had waited about six months for my first guide. Not so long for my
second
and third.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Karen Hughes
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:46 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog. plus you
get
the training and housing while this takes place. i am in canada and this
is
were i got my information. i have had some mobility training but not
received a dog yet. i am in the line waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs have
been
from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50 for
all
replacements. This is the same price structure they have used since
their
inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do with this school. When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell you
what
to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the case with some
of
the other schools. You and you alone own your dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including transportation
from
anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you, this school treats you
fabulously and with a great deal of respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it cost
them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the lions club
pay
for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to the
final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the final
training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive
devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't aford jaws then
use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise it's rite up there with
jaws, in fact there's some semi accessible software which I can
access
better with NVDA than with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned,
does it really cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I
understand rite, that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the
equivalent of $15 or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay
about equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from the
government through income tax but you must still have the cash to
fork
out and then wait a year or more before you can claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only I put
on
the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in my
last
e-mail
leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a part
of
your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail regarding
that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid government
benefits,
tax cheating is a legitimate means of making things equal. I'm
surprised
anyone on this list would justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this kind
of
thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of subsidied
agencies by
the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked
or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To: The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7
yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this stuff is so
out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who wants
short
cuts instead of doing things the correct way. thanks pal to all of
you
who try similar things it's really apppreciated by those of us who
try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-
jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

email me off list!!!

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Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Kerri <kootenaycreek@...>
 

I do respect that rehabilitation services can and do provide these computers
for individuals. But what happens when, as has been my case, I had to
purchase all my equipment out of pocket? I did attend university but here in
Canada, one can only obtain equipment if one maintains a good grade point
average which I could not do due to no accessible books nor readers. I do
not say this to enlist pity but to say that so9me people do not have access
to any funding.

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
want to impress people they don't like
"Will Rogers"

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Sugar
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:18 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Nick..
I agree with you, as I am a client of "department of rehabiliation for my
blindness, and am so blessed to have such programs like this, to assist
those like myself, who can not go out and get programs like Jaws and
computers.
In fact the lap top that I am currently useing,and the desk top that I will
be recieving in the next few days with all programs I need to function will
be provided to me by the state and department of rehabilitation so I,for one
am very thankful for individuals like yourself who are so willing to
understand and ve so compassionate to understand that there are individuals
who wish they can work and supply for themselves, but can not for what ever
reason;therefore the state programs that are out there has bees been so
helpful.
thank you
sugar

"Let Your Light So Shine before men,
so that they may see your good works and glorify our heavenly father in
heaven.
`Matthew 5:16"
~Be Blessed, Sugar
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Just for your information, I'm part of a non profit organisation
raising awareness and trying to raise money for less fortunate people
to get assistive devices like jaws because as I said I know there's a
lot of less fortunate people who won't even be able to aford a
computer let alone jaws.

On 2/4/12, sandy stegmayer <ssteg@verizon.net> wrote:

The Seeing gets its financial from private donations. If you want the
same from FS, go out and find private individuals to donate to them.
I am sick of all this whining. This is what makes nonblind persons
feel sorry for us.
And
also, this kind of attitude is what makes it more difficult for some
blind persons get employment. Get off your butt, stop whining, and do
something constructive for yourself.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:56 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

So if a company can get sponsership or whatever to ask $150 for a
guide dog why can't another company get sponserships or government
support to make jaws a lot cheeper and afordable for a lot more
people around the world? I live in South Africa which is assentially
a 3rd world country compared to America and England. I can aford a
computer, software, a braille machine and jaws but so many others in
this country can't. As I'm sitting here I know for a fact that more
than half of people who whent to school with me, won't be able to
aford their own computer not even mentioning jaws, my question is,
what happens to those people, what oppertunities do they have in the
main streem world and all this just because companies rip off blind
people because they know, the blind people need their products to
funktion.

On 2/4/12, Karen Hughes <khughes8@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my point is the schools charge a very small amount for the dog.
plus you get the training and housing while this takes place. i am
in canada and this is were i got my information. i have had some
mobility training but not received a dog yet. i am in the line
waiting just now, smile. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy stegmayer" <ssteg@verizon.net>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Karen,

That depends upon which guide dog school you attend. All my dogs
have been

from th Seeing Eye where you pay $150 for your first dog and $50
for all replacements. This is the same price structure they have
used since their inception in 1929. The Lions have nothing to do
with this school.
When
you leave the school, noone, including the Seeing Eye., can tell
you what to do with your doog which if I am correct, is not the
case with some of the other schools. You and you alone own your
dog.

And yes, it costs thousands of dollars for them to train your animal.
The
above costs above cover all your expenses, including
transportation from anywhere in the U.S. ... and I can tell you,
this school treats you fabulously and with a great deal of
respect.

Sandy... whose 3rd dog, Dory, sadly died this past Christmas Eve.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Karen Hughes" <khughes8@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

i was told the dog school charges one dollar for the dog, but it
cost them thirty five thousand dollars to train a dog and the
lions club pay for this because they sponsor the blind. karen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


No, Nickus, the guide dog schools give the dogs totally free to
the final users.
But they spent a lot of money since the dog is a puppy to the
final training stage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nickus de Vos
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

I don't agree with piracy but agree that jaws and most other
assistive devices are crazally expensive. If you really can't
aford jaws then use NVDA, it's totally free and feeture wise
it's rite up there with jaws, in fact there's some semi
accessible software which I can access better with NVDA than
with jaws. Something else somebody mentioned, does it really
cost $3800 to get a guide dog in the US? If I understand rite,
that's crazy. In South africa we pay about the equivalent of $15
or $20 but then again for stuff like jaws we pay about
equivalent of $1500. We don't easally get government bersaries
for assistive devices but can claim assistive devices back from
the government through income tax but you must still have the
cash to fork out and then wait a year or more before you can
claim it back.

On 2/4/12, Juan Pablo <jpculasso@gmail.com> wrote:
Please, Adrian, let me know where I justified the piracy. Only
I put on

the
table a thing that is not never mentioned here. As I wrote in
my last e-mail leave away the "easy words"
I know that this topic turn very unconfortable. Sorry, but is a
part of

your
reality. I promise you do not respond any future e-mail
regarding that.

All the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:58 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

This is like saying that because some people get paid
government benefits, tax cheating is a legitimate means of
making things equal. I'm surprised anyone on this list would
justify theft.

I'm sorry to extend an off-topic thread, but I can't let this
kind of thinking go unchallenged.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Juan Pablo
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:28 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Exactly, Gerald.

A lot of you have an original jaws installed cause of
subsidied agencies by the goverments.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Are you suggesting that some of us paid less than the full
price of
$1000
for JAWS? The only way this would be possible without buying a
cracked

or
illegal copy would be to have it purchased for us by a rehab
agency.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Pablo" <jpculasso@gmail.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list."
<jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7


Really guys, How many of you paied the full price of jaws?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:53 PM To:
The
Jaws
for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit
Win 7 yes, i agreefully. besides, this is why prices of this
stuff is so out of
reach for many. because of slimy people like this guy who
wants short cuts instead of doing things the correct way.
thanks pal to all of you who try similar things it's really
apppreciated by those of us who try to
do things the honest way!

On 2/4/2012 8:52 AM, George B wrote:
this is not the place for this kind of thing

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the- jdh.com] On Behalf Of wogg
le4
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 14:49
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Crack For Jaws 64 Bit Win 7

Hi all,

can anyone tell me of a working crack for win 7 64 bit?

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