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Re: Groups.io - Controls you receive in every message as well as controlling the messages you receive to begin with
CJ &AA MAY
Is really useful. I’ve never bothered looking at the links at the end of our e-mails but can see how a couple of them could be very useful at times. Many thanks. Alison
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
This message, obviously, is not JAWS related, but related to using Groups.io, and for controls many may not know about. I will post stuff like this occasionally, and it applies to any Groups.io group you may be subscribed to.
View/Reply Online link with the topic number as part of the link - Email users have no reason to use this because simply hitting reply allows them to reply via email. If you want to use the web interface instead, then activate that link.
Reply to Group link - Again, not generally used by e-mail users since a simple Reply via e-mail does the same thing.
*Reply to Sender link - This one is really very handy. If you want to reply to the sender and only the sender of that message via email, this is the way to do it. When you activate that link it should cause your email client to automatically open a compose window with the subject prepopulated with the topic title and the to address being that of the sender of that message. You can, of course, modify the subject as you see fit. This makes private responses for any reason very easy to make.
*Mute This Topic link - Also very handy at times. If a particular topic is of no interest to you or there's any other reason you don't want to receive any additional messages for that topic, activate this link. It will block any additional messages from that specific topic being sent to you.
New Topic link - Email users will seldom, if ever, use this as you can just send to the posting address with a new subject to create a new topic.
Your Subscription link - if activated will open the subscription page for your account, if you are logged in to Groups.io in your web browser. If not, it will take you to the Groups.io login screen then directly to your Subscription page after logging in.
*Contact Group Owner link - if activated will open your e-mail client's compose window with the Owner address for the group prepopulated. Saves having to type the owner address.
and, finally Unsubscribe link (which includes the e-mail address you're subscribed under as part of that link) - self-explanatory Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (PDF)
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Groups.io - Controls you receive in every message as well as controlling the messages you receive to begin with
This message, obviously, is not JAWS related, but related to using Groups.io, and for controls many may not know about. I will post stuff like this occasionally, and it applies to any Groups.io group you may be subscribed to.
View/Reply Online link with the topic number as part of the link - Email users have no reason to use this because simply hitting reply allows them to reply via email. If you want to use the web interface instead, then activate that link.
Reply to Group link - Again, not generally used by e-mail users since a simple Reply via e-mail does the same thing.
*Reply to Sender link - This one is really very handy. If you want to reply to the sender and only the sender of that message via email, this is the way to do it. When you activate that link it should cause your email client to automatically open a compose window with the subject prepopulated with the topic title and the to address being that of the sender of that message. You can, of course, modify the subject as you see fit. This makes private responses for any reason very easy to make.
*Mute This Topic link - Also very handy at times. If a particular topic is of no interest to you or there's any other reason you don't want to receive any additional messages for that topic, activate this link. It will block any additional messages from that specific topic being sent to you.
New Topic link - Email users will seldom, if ever, use this as you can just send to the posting address with a new subject to create a new topic.
Your Subscription link - if activated will open the subscription page for your account, if you are logged in to Groups.io in your web browser. If not, it will take you to the Groups.io login screen then directly to your Subscription page after logging in.
*Contact Group Owner link - if activated will open your e-mail client's compose window with the Owner address for the group prepopulated. Saves having to type the owner address.
and, finally Unsubscribe link (which includes the e-mail address you're subscribed under as part of that link) - self-explanatory Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (PDF) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Accessible Server Software
Jaffar Sidek
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On 9/2/2019 3:53 AM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Hey Yall,
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Re: Audio files question
David Diamond
What I usually do is, download the file then use one of the players such as anyburn or VLC to play the audio file. With VLC you can pause, rewind and fast forward the audio.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 1, 2019 1:28 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Audio files question
Are you able to share the web page address? It's impossible to know what controls a given site may, or may not, give you. There are scads of web audio player options out there, and it entirely depends on which one is in use. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Audio files question
Marty Hutchings
David, Can you download the files by Right click or Application key for context menu and down arrow to Save file as? If so, then you can play the files in your favorite media player.
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Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13
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From: David Pearson Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 2:56 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Audio files question Hello list: I have an e-mail containing a link to a website containing a collection of 5 audio files. I can go to the website, and play the files, but was wondering if there's a way to pause playing, and then continue from that point using only keyboard commands as it sometimes gets noisy when the AC unit comes on, which makes me feel like I'm in the "Wizard of Oz". Lastly, is there also a method to fast forward or rewind these files once they've started playing? Been told that there's a pause button on monitor screen. Don't know exactly what type files these are, they're described simply as "Audio files". Sincerely, David S. Pearson
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Re: Audio files question
Are you able to share the web page address? It's impossible to know what controls a given site may, or may not, give you. There are scads of web audio player options out there, and it entirely depends on which one is in use.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Audio files question
David Pearson
Hello list:
I have an e-mail containing a link to a website containing a collection of 5 audio files. I can go to the website, and play the files, but was wondering if there's a way to pause playing, and then continue from that point using only keyboard commands as it sometimes gets noisy when the AC unit comes on, which makes me feel like I'm in the "Wizard of Oz". Lastly, is there also a method to fast forward or rewind these files once they've started playing? Been told that there's a pause button on monitor screen. Don't know exactly what type files these are, they're described simply as "Audio files". Sincerely, David S. Pearson
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Accessible Server Software
Robbie Curtis
Hey Yall,
Can anyone direct me to an accessible local server software? Thanks. -- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@triad.rr.com "Stay in peace, not pieces!" --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Re: Windows updates
Jim,
Thank you for mentioning the row/column header feature of Excel. I have been trying to get folks to use this for a long time now both because it's permanent and it is screen reader agnostic as well. Excel - Assigning a Title Row or Column.docx -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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jaws access to lastpass
John Covici
Hi. Anyone on here use lastpass? I am finding it a real pita and
some things seem not to work at all, like autofilling. I am using it with crome now. My main problem is that it seems inaccessible with the keyboard and difficult even with the mouse when I go into my vault. Any assistance would be appreciated. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Windows updates
Jim Pursley
I didn't see an answer to your Excel question. I think that since beginning with JAWS 2018 column and row headers in Excel are managed through the ribbon menus or, more handily, on the applications key adjacent to the right control key. The new method is taken from Excel itself and offers a permanent fix. When in Excel position the cursor on the intersection of row and column (upper left corner). Hit the applications key and arrow upward maybe four positions to Define Name. Hit enter and type titleregion1..()and your right hand corner ending cell address). This command sets the range of the rows and columns you are trying to hear. tab through the other positions and hit OK. Your headers should read normally. When you save the spreadsheet you will save your column and row header verbosity. Occasionally as in an older Excel spreadsheet the applications key won't have the Define Name option. You'll need to go into the formulas menu and arrow down to Define Name and put the info mentioned above in the Name Manager.
Note that you can label the headings in a spreadsheet with multiple regions by specifying the far upper left and far lower right cell coordinates of each region. Just position your cursor on the upper left intersection of row and column.
Earlier versions of JAWS used alt + control and R or C to specify row and column headers in addition to Quick Settings. The R and C keystroke combo no longer works well in JAWS 2019 and above, maybe not in 2018 either; I don't recall when the changeover occurred.
The new method is vastly superior to any of the older methods as
it's a permanent (until deleted) setting for your spreadsheet. A
spreadsheet originator can define names, too, so the readers need
not go through the exercise.
On 8/31/2019 8:58 PM, Denise J Moses
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Re: Windows updates
Hi, This is more so now for two reasons:
Cheers, Joseph
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 9:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows updates
It’s also important to recognize that those who delay the installation of updates are more vulnerable to the exploitation of security issues that are fixed by the updates.
From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:26 PM, Denise J Moses wrote:
Denise, what I suggest is the next time this message comes up that you take the time to read the entire message text, as there have been (and probably will continue to be) some changes recently. There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates. ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/ a) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Download Win10 ISO File b) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Create a Bootable USB Drive Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Windows updates
Jason White
It’s also important to recognize that those who delay the installation of updates are more vulnerable to the exploitation of security issues that are fixed by the updates.
From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:26 PM, Denise J Moses wrote:
Denise, what I suggest is the next time this message comes up that you take the time to read the entire message text, as there have been (and probably will continue to be) some changes recently. There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates. ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/ a) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Download Win10 ISO File b) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Create a Bootable USB Drive Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Windows updates
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:26 PM, Denise J Moses wrote:
Does it not update until you restart your computer or does it do it if you aren’t around to tell it what to do?Denise, what I suggest is the next time this message comes up that you take the time to read the entire message text, as there have been (and probably will continue to be) some changes recently. In virtually all cases, it will tell you that a restart is required and that you can elect to restart now or, if you don't, the computer will restart itself outside active hours. You set active hours in Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update pane. If you're on Version 1903 there is a button for Change active hours, if memory serves prior to 1903 it is a link that has the same click-through text as the button does. If either is activated, you are taken to a dialog where you tell Windows the hours during which you do not ever want the computer to restart itself for an update if a restart is required. It will only restart itself outside those hours. Personally, I very seldom wait for the automatic restart outside of active hours. I prefer to gracefully close what I'm doing if that's reasonable and do the restart myself. Also, with the advent of Version 1903 you get a lot more control over updates in general. Right now there is an optional cumulative update (KB4152941) that has a Download and Install link on the Windows Update pane not unlike what's being presented for Feature Updates now, which allows the user to decide if they want to do exactly what the link says. Mind you, if you put off updates again and again and again there will come a time when they will be applied automatically by Windows. This is part and parcel of Windows as a Service and, as a service technician, I strongly support that measure by Microsoft. A huge number of the smoldering heaps of what remained of systems I have been called to fix in the era prior to Windows 10 could be traced to having blocked updates, many of which are essential. It's never been put better than this: There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates. ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/ a) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Download Win10 ISO File b) Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Create a Bootable USB Drive -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Windows updates
Jason White
I have a laptop from Lenovo that is running Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. So far, I’ve had no problems with Windows updates.
I keep Windows up to date. I also keep the firmware and drivers up to date via the Lenovo Vantage tool. I make sure that JAWS and NVDA are both running the latest versions; the same for Office 365 and Web browsers such as Chrome.
I don’t know how long my good luck will last, but it’s holding so far. I am not running Insider versions, as I don’t want to be a beta tester on this machine.
From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Hi, And it could get a bit easy… or rather, a bit hard to explain the ins and outs of recent changes, because we (Windows Insiders) are dealing with not one, not two, but three preview build series at once. Basically, not everyone on a given cohort (ring) are testing Version 1909 features, and if they do, they can’t switch to other preview cohort. This is because of the nature of Version 1909: it’ll be a different build number than Version 1903, but as far as servicing goes, it’ll be identical to 1903; a given cumulative update package for both releases will be able to resolve bugs in both releases at the same time. The difference comes down to internal flags used to enable or disable 1909 specific features, the most obvious feature for screen reader users being the ability to mute notification sound without resorting to enabling focus assist. As for an update and restart notification: yes, Windows will notify you. As for turning off updates through various means: no, not even a stock installation of Pro will do it; you need Enterprise or Education, or get a Pro machine hooked up to a Windows Server domain where updates are distributed by computers running Windows Server operating systems (via Windows Server Update Services or System Center Configuration Manager). As far as editions go, Pro is considered a “consumer-level product” – additional features on top of Home, such as ability to join a Windows Server domain, Hyper-V, and as of version 1903, Windows Sandbox. Just like Home, a given feature update for Pro will get 18 months of support, by end of which you will find your computer is running whichever feature update is out by then; as someone stated best, “you’ll get the inevitable”. On the other hand, Enterprise and Education will get at least 18 months (note the difference in my phrasing); that is, some feature updates will get 18 months of support, while others will get a longer support duration; there is a specialized version of Enterprise that will see a feature update supported for up to ten years, but that is because Enterprise LTSC (long-term servicing channel) is meant for mission-critical devices. As for updates messing up JAWS settings: multiple factors might be involved, including hardware drivers, JAWS not reacting to change quickly enough, or Vispero knowing about bugs but needing time to resolve and test fixes. Part of the reason why you get frequent JAWS updates is to keep up with changes, which is happening in a flash; the flash will go off faster on Insider Preview builds because things come and go without notice (if you want proof, just follow me on Twitter; I guarantee that almost every week, you’ll see me post announcements about Preview builds and some assistive technologies). Cheers, Joseph
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You can't permanently turn off updates regardless of the version you're running (if you're a consumer, not a government or similar). Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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List Rules - Sun, 09/01/2019
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main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
List Rules When: Description: http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies
**List Policies** 1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated. 2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes. 3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject. 4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind. 5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration. 6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently. As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io James,
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Hi, And it could get a bit easy… or rather, a bit hard to explain the ins and outs of recent changes, because we (Windows Insiders) are dealing with not one, not two, but three preview build series at once. Basically, not everyone on a given cohort (ring) are testing Version 1909 features, and if they do, they can’t switch to other preview cohort. This is because of the nature of Version 1909: it’ll be a different build number than Version 1903, but as far as servicing goes, it’ll be identical to 1903; a given cumulative update package for both releases will be able to resolve bugs in both releases at the same time. The difference comes down to internal flags used to enable or disable 1909 specific features, the most obvious feature for screen reader users being the ability to mute notification sound without resorting to enabling focus assist. As for an update and restart notification: yes, Windows will notify you. As for turning off updates through various means: no, not even a stock installation of Pro will do it; you need Enterprise or Education, or get a Pro machine hooked up to a Windows Server domain where updates are distributed by computers running Windows Server operating systems (via Windows Server Update Services or System Center Configuration Manager). As far as editions go, Pro is considered a “consumer-level product” – additional features on top of Home, such as ability to join a Windows Server domain, Hyper-V, and as of version 1903, Windows Sandbox. Just like Home, a given feature update for Pro will get 18 months of support, by end of which you will find your computer is running whichever feature update is out by then; as someone stated best, “you’ll get the inevitable”. On the other hand, Enterprise and Education will get at least 18 months (note the difference in my phrasing); that is, some feature updates will get 18 months of support, while others will get a longer support duration; there is a specialized version of Enterprise that will see a feature update supported for up to ten years, but that is because Enterprise LTSC (long-term servicing channel) is meant for mission-critical devices. As for updates messing up JAWS settings: multiple factors might be involved, including hardware drivers, JAWS not reacting to change quickly enough, or Vispero knowing about bugs but needing time to resolve and test fixes. Part of the reason why you get frequent JAWS updates is to keep up with changes, which is happening in a flash; the flash will go off faster on Insider Preview builds because things come and go without notice (if you want proof, just follow me on Twitter; I guarantee that almost every week, you’ll see me post announcements about Preview builds and some assistive technologies). Cheers, Joseph
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You can't permanently turn off updates regardless of the version you're running (if you're a consumer, not a government or similar). Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Denise J Moses
Brian,
Thank you for the directions to find out the Windows version. I tried it & got it. I am using Office 16. Do you get Windows notifications when they are going to updates? Sometimes I am on the computer & something pops up to tell me there is an update & I can restart to update. Does it not update until you restart your computer or does it do it if you aren’t around to tell it what to do? Denise
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
To find out what Version and Build of Windows 10 you're running hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver then hit Enter. If you prefer, you can hit WinKey+R and enter winver in run box then hit enter. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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You can't permanently turn off updates regardless of the version you're running (if you're a consumer, not a government or similar).
As of version 1903, all editions of Windows 10 give quite a bit more control about how and when updates are downloaded and applied. What I find perversely funny is now that the control (or at least a large part of it) that many were crying for has been given, there is now an equally vocal group decrying the fact that updates are not as automatic as they were in earlier versions of Windows 10. When it comes to update methodology, Microsoft is damned if they do and damned if they don't. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: cannot reinstall JAWS 2019 on Windows 10
Maria Reyes
I agree. there should be only 1 list for Jaws.
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On Aug 27, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:
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