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moderated List Rules - Sun, 09/01/2019 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

When:
Sunday, 1 September 2019
12:00am to 1:00am
(GMT-04:00) America/New York

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: Windows updates

 

Hi,

And it could get a bit easy… or rather, a bit hard to explain the ins and outs of recent changes, because we (Windows Insiders) are dealing with not one, not two, but three preview build series at once. Basically, not everyone on a given cohort (ring) are testing Version 1909 features, and if they do, they can’t switch to other preview cohort. This is because of the nature of Version 1909: it’ll be a different build number than Version 1903, but as far as servicing goes, it’ll be identical to 1903; a given cumulative update package for both releases will be able to resolve bugs in both releases at the same time. The difference comes down to internal flags used to enable or disable 1909 specific features, the most obvious feature for screen reader users being the ability to mute notification sound without resorting to enabling focus assist.

As for an update and restart notification: yes, Windows will notify you.

As for turning off updates through various means: no, not even a stock installation of Pro will do it; you need Enterprise or Education, or get a Pro machine hooked up to a Windows Server domain where updates are distributed by computers running Windows Server operating systems (via Windows Server Update Services or System Center Configuration Manager). As far as editions go, Pro is considered a “consumer-level product” – additional features on top of Home, such as ability to join a Windows Server domain, Hyper-V, and as of version 1903, Windows Sandbox. Just like Home, a given feature update for Pro will get 18 months of support, by end of which you will find your computer is running whichever feature update is out by then; as someone stated best, “you’ll get the inevitable”. On the other hand, Enterprise and Education will get at least 18 months (note the difference in my phrasing); that is, some feature updates will get 18 months of support, while others will get a longer support duration; there is a specialized version of Enterprise that will see a feature update supported for up to ten years, but that is because Enterprise LTSC (long-term servicing channel) is meant for mission-critical devices.

As for updates messing up JAWS settings: multiple factors might be involved, including hardware drivers, JAWS not reacting to change quickly enough, or Vispero knowing about bugs but needing time to resolve and test fixes. Part of the reason why you get frequent JAWS updates is to keep up with changes, which is happening in a flash; the flash will go off faster on Insider Preview builds because things come and go without notice (if you want proof, just follow me on Twitter; I guarantee that almost every week, you’ll see me post announcements about Preview builds and some assistive technologies).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows updates

 

You can't permanently turn off updates regardless of the version you're running (if you're a consumer, not a government or similar).

As of version 1903, all editions of Windows 10 give quite a bit more control about how and when updates are downloaded and applied.  What I find perversely funny is now that the control (or at least a large part of it) that many were crying for has been given, there is now an equally vocal group decrying the fact that updates are not as automatic as they were in earlier versions of Windows 10.

When it comes to update methodology, Microsoft is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Windows updates

Denise J Moses
 

Brian,

 

Thank you for the directions to find out the Windows version.  I tried it & got it.  I am using Office 16.  Do you get Windows notifications when they are going to updates?  Sometimes I am on the computer & something pops up to tell me there is an update & I can restart to update.  Does it not update until you restart your computer or does it do it if you aren’t around to tell it what to do?

Denise

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows updates

 

To find out what Version and Build of Windows 10 you're running hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver then hit Enter.  If you prefer, you can hit WinKey+R and enter winver in run box then hit enter.

Turning off automatic updates is a very, very bad idea.

What version of Office are you using?  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Windows updates

 

You can't permanently turn off updates regardless of the version you're running (if you're a consumer, not a government or similar).

As of version 1903, all editions of Windows 10 give quite a bit more control about how and when updates are downloaded and applied.  What I find perversely funny is now that the control (or at least a large part of it) that many were crying for has been given, there is now an equally vocal group decrying the fact that updates are not as automatic as they were in earlier versions of Windows 10.

When it comes to update methodology, Microsoft is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: cannot reinstall JAWS 2019 on Windows 10

Maria Reyes
 

I agree. there should be only 1 list for Jaws.

On Aug 27, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

Well at least you didnt have to re-install windows...
On 8/27/2019 3:56 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io wrote:
At 04:51 PM 8/27/2019, Randy Barnett wrote:
did you delete all folders for jaws, including the ones in program folders, program folder x86 and app data?
I sure did. But that didn't help. What helped was reversing all of Winaero Tweaker''s changes.


Orlando Enrique Fiol





moderated Re: Windows updates

James Homuth
 

You also don’t get to actually turn off automatic updates unless you’re running I believe it’s pro. The Win10 home laptop I have access to (not mine, but I helped set it up) only gives you the option of delaying the inevitable.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August-31-19 8:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows updates

 

To find out what Version and Build of Windows 10 you're running hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver then hit Enter.  If you prefer, you can hit WinKey+R and enter winver in run box then hit enter.

Turning off automatic updates is a very, very bad idea.

What version of Office are you using?  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Windows updates

 

To find out what Version and Build of Windows 10 you're running hit the Windows Key and immediately type winver then hit Enter.  If you prefer, you can hit WinKey+R and enter winver in run box then hit enter.

Turning off automatic updates is a very, very bad idea.

What version of Office are you using?  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Windows updates

Denise J Moses
 

How do I find out what version of Windows I have?  Is there a way to turn off automatic updates?  Every time it updates it screws up something with JAWS.  Now in Excel I can’t get it to read the title name of each column.  I go under quick settings & turn it on but it won’t stay checked on.  I am using the latest version of JAWS 2018 with Windows 10.

Thank you for the help.

Denise


moderated solving captchas

netbat66
 

usually this only works if the web server is useing the google captcha engine. but not all sites use google. many have developed there own captcha engine and it wouldn't by pass it
the servers that do will have a varify button when you are logged into your google account before you go to them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?


This seems to be the case for me. I just check the "I am not a robot" box and am passed through to the web site.

Andy


----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?


re-captcha thing?

You mean there is a way to do that if you are always signed into Google?

Sharon





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?





I agree with most everything you’ve said, but I would just add that there isn’t really a universal answer to the OP. You should really have Chrome and Firefox on your system and use them both as needed. Really not enough difference in how you actually *operate* each browser to claim that there isa disadvantage in having and using both of them.



I mostly use Firefox as well, but some sites do work better in Chrome. Youtube is *much* more responsive in Chrome on my Windows 10 machine, for instance, and yes, it’sa google service, so I suppose that makes sense. Being signed in all the time is alright if you need to use the re-captcha thing. But therea re indeed privacy concerns that make me lean a little heavier on firefox, even though it is not quite as snappy and really takes forever to load very large pages into JAWS virtual buffer (not 100% sure that is the issue, but it’s definitely a pain).

Anyway, tldr: use both of them.









From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: August 31, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?





I like the new edge, but firefox murders it for customization. So if you’re the type that likes to tweak your browsing experience, firefox, otherwise the new edge dev is really stable, and I could recommend it. There’s also the edge beta channel. I tried Chrome for a bit when I had Android, but I find I don’t need the sync features anymore since I don’t really browse the web on mobile anyway, because I just don’t like touch screens that much, and I don’t need to be constantly signed into google services. But if you need google services extensively, then chrome is great. I haven’t found much that doesn’t work with Firefox, at least nothing that doesn’t work off the top of my head, so I wouldn’t worry too much about compatibility, but if you care about monopolies, or privacy or customization or keyboard shortcuts, then firefox is probably still winning for you. Hopefully this helps out a bit.


moderated Re: Brave web browser

JM Casey
 

Went ahead and downloaded it today myself. I’ve a gig to play, but I will install it tomorrow probably and see how things go.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 31, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Brave web browser

 

I took the plunge and installed Brave.

So far so good.

I let it import my bookmarks from Firefox and it seems quite good and snappy to use.

I will work with it more, but I can see myself making it my default if all goes well.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

jredlichspeaks@...
 

I think Google Chrome works okay.  Microsoft Edge is not supported by Jaws yet.

 

Judy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 8:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?
Importance: High

 

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Andy
 


This seems to be the case for me.  I just check the "I am not a robot" box and am passed through to the web site.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

re-captcha thing?

You mean there is a way to do that if you are always signed into Google?

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I agree with most everything you’ve said, but I would just add that there isn’t really a universal answer to the OP. You should really have Chrome and Firefox on your system and use them both as needed. Really not enough difference in how you actually *operate* each browser to claim that there isa  disadvantage in having and using both of them.

 

I mostly use Firefox as well, but some sites do work better in Chrome. Youtube is *much* more responsive in Chrome on my Windows 10 machine, for instance, and yes, it’sa  google service, so I suppose that makes sense. Being signed in all the time is alright if you need to use the re-captcha thing. But therea re indeed privacy concerns that make me lean a little heavier on firefox, even though it is not quite as snappy and really takes forever to load very large pages into JAWS virtual buffer (not 100% sure that is the issue, but it’s definitely a pain).

Anyway, tldr: use both of them.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: August 31, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I like the new edge, but firefox murders it for customization. So if you’re the type that likes to tweak your browsing experience, firefox, otherwise the new edge dev is really stable, and I could recommend it. There’s also the edge beta channel. I tried Chrome for a bit when I had Android, but I find I don’t need the sync features anymore since I don’t really browse the web on mobile anyway, because I just don’t like touch screens that much, and I don’t need to be constantly signed into google services. But if you need google services extensively, then chrome is great. I haven’t found much that doesn’t work with Firefox, at least nothing that doesn’t work off the top of my head, so I wouldn’t worry too much about compatibility, but if you care about monopolies, or privacy or customization or keyboard shortcuts, then firefox is probably still winning for you. Hopefully this helps out a bit.

 

 


moderated Brave web browser

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I took the plunge and installed Brave.

So far so good.

I let it import my bookmarks from Firefox and it seems quite good and snappy to use.

I will work with it more, but I can see myself making it my default if all goes well.

 

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 


moderated MalwareBytes Adware Tool

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I was annoyed at these pop up ads that started when I went to a send space site.
I downloaded a MalwareBytes tool for adware, and it found three threats that were in Internet Explorer.
I had to use the touch cursor (a jaws tool) to activate the scan button and other parts of the tool.
The Jaws touch cursor can be activated with shift + PC cursor.
tap PC cursor twice to disable it.
Here's the link to the scanner:
Glenn
 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Mike Rogers
 

Thanks Brian. I really like Brave and Chrome is giving m me constant notifications, that I don't want.

Mike

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 11:54:07 -0700
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike,

Brave Settings, Sync in the settings tree.   In the sync settings pane, go to the Additional Settings dropdown control at the bottom of that pane and expand it.  Search for Autofill.  The first Autofill entry is for passwords, expand it.   Throw the toggle for Offer to save passwords to on.  If you also wish to have auto sign-in for sites for which you're saving passwords, then throw the toggle for Auto Sign-in to on.

Even when both are on you can decline to save password information for specific sites, and Brave will remember those that you do not wish to save passwords for as well as the passwords for those you do.  There is also a search box at the top if you need to search for a specific site in those lists or password in those lists to deal with either later.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer



moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

Mike,

Brave Settings, Sync in the settings tree.   In the sync settings pane, go to the Additional Settings dropdown control at the bottom of that pane and expand it.  Search for Autofill.  The first Autofill entry is for passwords, expand it.   Throw the toggle for Offer to save passwords to on.  If you also wish to have auto sign-in for sites for which you're saving passwords, then throw the toggle for Auto Sign-in to on.

Even when both are on you can decline to save password information for specific sites, and Brave will remember those that you do not wish to save passwords for as well as the passwords for those you do.  There is also a search box at the top if you need to search for a specific site in those lists or password in those lists to deal with either later.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Mike Rogers
 

hey Brian.

Question. I like Brave, but can't get it to remember passwords. I have to enter the password every time. Would like to use it more, if I can get an answer.

Mike

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:03:08 -0700
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

JM,

Just remember that there are a plethora of Chromium-based browsers other than the Google Chrome browser.  It's worth trying out Brave, for instance, if privacy (and not having the browser itself be a data collection device) is of concern.  I've transitioned to Brave from Chrome for precisely that reason, and so far, with a few minor exceptions, it behaves as Chrome did.  So, for that matter, does Edge Dev.

I agree, though, that not only is "best" a subjective descriptor, but it is entirely context specific.  Some websites work better in one browser than another, and some screen readers work better with certain websites using a specific browser.  The same is true in regard to screen readers, on certain programs or sites some "play better" with those than others do.

You've got to be ready to use more than one browser and more than one screen reader, even if your proficiency with your second and third choices is not quite what it is when you're using your favorites.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer



moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

JM Casey
 

So far in my experience, if you are signed in, you will be presented with a checkbox, which you activate, and then are pushed through to whatever webpage requires the capcha.

Of course you can do this in Firefox also, but Chrome keeps you logged in to your google account, always, until you specifically log out, for better or worse.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: August 31, 2019 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

re-captcha thing?

You mean there is a way to do that if you are always signed into Google?

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I agree with most everything you’ve said, but I would just add that there isn’t really a universal answer to the OP. You should really have Chrome and Firefox on your system and use them both as needed. Really not enough difference in how you actually *operate* each browser to claim that there isa  disadvantage in having and using both of them.

 

I mostly use Firefox as well, but some sites do work better in Chrome. Youtube is *much* more responsive in Chrome on my Windows 10 machine, for instance, and yes, it’sa  google service, so I suppose that makes sense. Being signed in all the time is alright if you need to use the re-captcha thing. But therea re indeed privacy concerns that make me lean a little heavier on firefox, even though it is not quite as snappy and really takes forever to load very large pages into JAWS virtual buffer (not 100% sure that is the issue, but it’s definitely a pain).

Anyway, tldr: use both of them.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: August 31, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I like the new edge, but firefox murders it for customization. So if you’re the type that likes to tweak your browsing experience, firefox, otherwise the new edge dev is really stable, and I could recommend it. There’s also the edge beta channel. I tried Chrome for a bit when I had Android, but I find I don’t need the sync features anymore since I don’t really browse the web on mobile anyway, because I just don’t like touch screens that much, and I don’t need to be constantly signed into google services. But if you need google services extensively, then chrome is great. I haven’t found much that doesn’t work with Firefox, at least nothing that doesn’t work off the top of my head, so I wouldn’t worry too much about compatibility, but if you care about monopolies, or privacy or customization or keyboard shortcuts, then firefox is probably still winning for you. Hopefully this helps out a bit.

 

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Sharon
 

re-captcha thing?

You mean there is a way to do that if you are always signed into Google?

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 12:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I agree with most everything you’ve said, but I would just add that there isn’t really a universal answer to the OP. You should really have Chrome and Firefox on your system and use them both as needed. Really not enough difference in how you actually *operate* each browser to claim that there isa  disadvantage in having and using both of them.

 

I mostly use Firefox as well, but some sites do work better in Chrome. Youtube is *much* more responsive in Chrome on my Windows 10 machine, for instance, and yes, it’sa  google service, so I suppose that makes sense. Being signed in all the time is alright if you need to use the re-captcha thing. But therea re indeed privacy concerns that make me lean a little heavier on firefox, even though it is not quite as snappy and really takes forever to load very large pages into JAWS virtual buffer (not 100% sure that is the issue, but it’s definitely a pain).

Anyway, tldr: use both of them.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: August 31, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

I like the new edge, but firefox murders it for customization. So if you’re the type that likes to tweak your browsing experience, firefox, otherwise the new edge dev is really stable, and I could recommend it. There’s also the edge beta channel. I tried Chrome for a bit when I had Android, but I find I don’t need the sync features anymore since I don’t really browse the web on mobile anyway, because I just don’t like touch screens that much, and I don’t need to be constantly signed into google services. But if you need google services extensively, then chrome is great. I haven’t found much that doesn’t work with Firefox, at least nothing that doesn’t work off the top of my head, so I wouldn’t worry too much about compatibility, but if you care about monopolies, or privacy or customization or keyboard shortcuts, then firefox is probably still winning for you. Hopefully this helps out a bit.

 

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

JM Casey
 

Hey Brian.

 

I have not tried Brave; I was going to look into it but some little piece of info that I can’t recall at the moment made me decide (for that particular moment) not to bother.

I have Vivaldi though, and it is, I think, a chromium-based browser, now. It is usable, but JAWS, my primary screen reader, does not work so well with the way things are laid out. Essentially the experience appears a bit cluttered and messy. I would like to enjoy this thing as it seems like a terrific browser, and extremely customisable – so there might well be ways to set it up to work better for me, but I haven’t really taken much time to fiddle with it. On paper at least, I just love how customisable it is.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 31, 2019 1:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

JM,

           Just remember that there are a plethora of Chromium-based browsers other than the Google Chrome browser.  It's worth trying out Brave, for instance, if privacy (and not having the browser itself be a data collection device) is of concern.  I've transitioned to Brave from Chrome for precisely that reason, and so far, with a few minor exceptions, it behaves as Chrome did.  So, for that matter, does Edge Dev.

            I agree, though, that not only is "best" a subjective descriptor, but it is entirely context specific.  Some websites work better in one browser than another, and some screen readers work better with certain websites using a specific browser.  The same is true in regard to screen readers, on certain programs or sites some "play better" with those than others do.

            You've got to be ready to use more than one browser and more than one screen reader, even if your proficiency with your second and third choices is not quite what it is when you're using your favorites.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer