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moderated Re: Drag And Drop On A Web Page

 

Drag and drop, at least via the mouse (which is how I use it), is drag and drop regardless of the locale in which the action is being used.  I cannot imagine this is any different for screen reader emulation of same.

But I do know from past experience that screen reader emulation of same is not necessarily consistent and takes a while to "get the hang of."   I have no idea whether you may have access to a sighted assistant, but it's often very handy to have someone with "eyes on" when you're first trying to get this to work so that they can confirm that the visual result is what is expected based on what you're trying to accomplish.   It also helps you to avoid a lot of experimentation where you can't be certain that things are working as expected (and where you can teach yourself what you don't want to reinforce).

I just remember that, when I can avoid it, I encourage my students to avoid drag and drop.  Sometimes you can't, but practicing how to do this is always more complicated and lengthy than a lot of other things related to screen reader use.

If anyone happens to know of a web page (or web pages) out there that's set up to allow someone to play with dragging and dropping those would be good to know about for practice purposes.   It's just not used all that often, and I don't have any that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Drag And Drop On A Web Page

Glenn / Lenny
 


I watched a video by Denise R. and it was only for the task bar icons, and she used laptop layout, which I too use, but I would prefer to have steps include desktop mode as well, since for things like routing cursors, I reach for the number pad.
I think it may differ on a web page as opposed to her demo of moving task bar icons.
Thanks for the info on where the keystrokes are listed.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Drag And Drop On A Web Page

If you look under the For Cursors and Mouse section of the JAWS Keyboard Shortcuts documentation, you'll find Drag and Drop there.

It's been ages since I last used it, but if memory serves, once something is selected it's a toggle where the initial activation starts the drag action and the second activation does the drop.  I also seem to recall that I needed to route the PC cursor to the JAWS cursor (Desktop:  INSERT+NumPad Plus, Laptop: CAPS LOCK+Apostrophe) so that the actual system focus is on the thing to be dragged before starting the process.  I could be wrong about that, though.

Desktop keystroke is CTRL+INSERT+NumPad Slash  and laptop is CAPS LOCK+Ctrl+8

I remember this being finicky, to say the least, and I cannot recall how JAWS tells you where you are in terms of where the drop would occur.  Playing around with it is going to be your best bet for eventually figuring out what must be done and in what sequence for a JAWS drag and drop to actually work.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Drag And Drop On A Web Page

 

If you look under the For Cursors and Mouse section of the JAWS Keyboard Shortcuts documentation, you'll find Drag and Drop there.

It's been ages since I last used it, but if memory serves, once something is selected it's a toggle where the initial activation starts the drag action and the second activation does the drop.  I also seem to recall that I needed to route the PC cursor to the JAWS cursor (Desktop:  INSERT+NumPad Plus, Laptop: CAPS LOCK+Apostrophe) so that the actual system focus is on the thing to be dragged before starting the process.  I could be wrong about that, though.

Desktop keystroke is CTRL+INSERT+NumPad Slash  and laptop is CAPS LOCK+Ctrl+8

I remember this being finicky, to say the least, and I cannot recall how JAWS tells you where you are in terms of where the drop would occur.  Playing around with it is going to be your best bet for eventually figuring out what must be done and in what sequence for a JAWS drag and drop to actually work.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Gerald Levy
 


Yes there is.  The extension is called Sound On Click:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sound-on-click/ejchjkneplcffgcopialnjofdhhggjik?hl=en


Gerald



On 8/31/2019 11:05 AM, john clayton wrote:
Hi there,
 Apologies at the OP for the slight highjacking of the thread, but is there an addon for crome which adds the classic click sounds as you navigate the webpages?
 I am stuck using firefox 55 due to my inability to upgrade from jaws 18, and the fact that I am quite used to firefox with the way I have it setup with my addons and the like.
 I understand that it is rather foolish and a security risk to do so but it can't be helped at this point.
 however I do play around with the latest version of crome, but as others have pointed out, its menu access and keyboard shortcut controls could be a lot better.
 I could probably switch to crome entirely if I could get it to make the navigation sounds as I navigate the webpages similar to IE 11 and firefox with the soundnav addon.
 Rather silly, I know but that is a faster indicator for me to understand if a page is done loading completely and after having used the sound for years now I have rather grown used to it, so going without it is a distraction that slows me down. XD.
Cheers

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 at 19:43, Lev <literophilus@...> wrote:

Hi,

in my opinion, chrome works better, I only use chrome and I'm also a jaws 2019 user and everything runs smoothly,

of course, now that you have jumped to windows 10 and a new web browser, what you cannot expect is to continue doing things exactly as you did before, adaptation is the key, Good luck!


Best,
   Leo.
On 8/31/2019 7:04 AM, Rick Miller wrote:

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 



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moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 09:04 AM, Rick Miller wrote:
My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?
Chrome and Firefox definitely work well with screen readers.  The current version of Edge has never, in my opinion, "been ready for prime time" and not just in regard to screen reader accessibility, either.

The soon to be released Edge Dev works quite well with screen readers, as do most Chromium-based browsers.  Once it becomes the standard Edge in Windows 10 it will be right up there with Chrome.  If you want to try it out, activate the link I just gave and it will give you a save dialog for the Microsoft Edge Dev(elopment Version) installer.
 
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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

john clayton
 

Hi there,
 Apologies at the OP for the slight highjacking of the thread, but is there an addon for crome which adds the classic click sounds as you navigate the webpages?
 I am stuck using firefox 55 due to my inability to upgrade from jaws 18, and the fact that I am quite used to firefox with the way I have it setup with my addons and the like.
 I understand that it is rather foolish and a security risk to do so but it can't be helped at this point.
 however I do play around with the latest version of crome, but as others have pointed out, its menu access and keyboard shortcut controls could be a lot better.
 I could probably switch to crome entirely if I could get it to make the navigation sounds as I navigate the webpages similar to IE 11 and firefox with the soundnav addon.
 Rather silly, I know but that is a faster indicator for me to understand if a page is done loading completely and after having used the sound for years now I have rather grown used to it, so going without it is a distraction that slows me down. XD.
Cheers

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 at 19:43, Lev <literophilus@...> wrote:

Hi,

in my opinion, chrome works better, I only use chrome and I'm also a jaws 2019 user and everything runs smoothly,

of course, now that you have jumped to windows 10 and a new web browser, what you cannot expect is to continue doing things exactly as you did before, adaptation is the key, Good luck!


Best,
   Leo.
On 8/31/2019 7:04 AM, Rick Miller wrote:

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 



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***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Leo
 

Hi,

in my opinion, chrome works better, I only use chrome and I'm also a jaws 2019 user and everything runs smoothly,

of course, now that you have jumped to windows 10 and a new web browser, what you cannot expect is to continue doing things exactly as you did before, adaptation is the key, Good luck!


Best,
   Leo.
On 8/31/2019 7:04 AM, Rick Miller wrote:

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

David Csercsics
 

I like the new edge, but firefox murders it for customization. So if you’re the type that likes to tweak your browsing experience, firefox, otherwise the new edge dev is really stable, and I could recommend it. There’s also the edge beta channel. I tried Chrome for a bit when I had Android, but I find I don’t need the sync features anymore since I don’t really browse the web on mobile anyway, because I just don’t like touch screens that much, and I don’t need to be constantly signed into google services. But if you need google services extensively, then chrome is great. I haven’t found much that doesn’t work with Firefox, at least nothing that doesn’t work off the top of my head, so I wouldn’t worry too much about compatibility, but if you care about monopolies, or privacy or customization or keyboard shortcuts, then firefox is probably still winning for you. Hopefully this helps out a bit.

 

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Chris Hill
 

Depends on what you mean by works best.  Chrome-based browsers seem to have fewer compatibility issues on webpages.  I prefer Brave myself, it blocks ads without you having to install anything. 


As far as best access for menus and controlling the browser goes, though, Firefox wins hands down.


On 8/31/2019 08:04, Rick Miller wrote:

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

It doesn’t hurt to mention that FS will be holding a webinar on Chrome this Wednesday, September 5 at noon Eastern, then another one two weeks later.  Those webinars are recorded, so you don’t have to attend in person.  Meanwhile, my next book, Get Cracking with Chrome for Windows, is outlined. Some production would have happened by now, but I’m allowing the excuse of the possible impending hurricane to distract me.   

 

Dean

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?
Importance: High

 

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

When the new version of Microsoft Edge is officially released, I expect it will be at least as good as Chrome.  Right now, Edge is being replaced by a new version, so I wouldn’t use it. I agree with Chrome, and haven’t had good luck with FireFox but haven’t given it much of a chance. Chrome just pretty much works.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 9:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?
Importance: High

 

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

James Homuth
 

I switched to Chrome ages ago and wouldn’t go back if you paid me. I still keep IE around because some of the websites I use at work don’t play nice with anything else, but for anything that matters, it’s Chrome, Firefox if something trips out, or IE if there’s something they haven’t quite figured out how to properly read/interact with in Chrome yet.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Miller
Sent: August-31-19 9:04 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?
Importance: High

 

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Which Browser Works Best With JAWS?

Rick Miller
 

Dear Listers:

 

I have recently upgraded my computer from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  Whenever I visit any web site now, I am being told that soon the site will no longer be used with Internet Explorer, which I have always used as my Internet Browser, and I am being told to upgrade my browser to either Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft Edge.  My question is this—which one of these three browsers works best with JAWS 2019?  I have the latest version and the latest update to JAWS 2019.  I’m sure there are many of you out there who might have encountered this same thing, and who can perhaps tell me which browser works best with JAWS.

 

Thanks for any help or advice you can give.

 

 

 

Rick Miller

 


moderated Re: Excel and jaws;

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Seighar & List:

I meant excel stores the date internally in a firm that seems to make sense to the developers of Excel yes, you can format the date many ways.

 

All spreadsheets have internal date formats that make sense to their developers.

 

One point I am not familiar with is whether any spreadsheets have a common date format should you ever want to Import dates from a different spreadsheet, such as from Quatro Pro into Excel.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel and jaws;

 

What do you mean by “Microsoft has its own whacky internal date format”? How a date is displayed in Excel is entirely up to what you select it to be, here are some examples of today’s date:

 

Friday, August 30, 2019

8/30/2019

8/30/19

08/30/19

August 30, 2019

30-Aug-19

2019-08-30

8/30

30-Aug

August-19

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel and jaws;

 

 

Dear David & List:

Is the column you are entering dates in defined as being a date column?

Microsoft has its own whacky internal date format.

Brian K. Lingard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf of David
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel and jaws;

 

Good afternoon all; perhaps someone can help me.  this is from one of my clients.

 

I wonder if you had a suggestion about a problem, I am having with excel. I have gone through all of the help info with no luck at all. I don’t know if you can help but here it is. Excel does not recognize date formats as numbers only as text. When I enter a date in a date column, I need it to be recognized as a date in order to sort them to put them in order. I have no luck in using the date value or value function getting an error that my formula is wrong. I have gone on the internet and have had no luck with support.microsoft.com and it isn’t a disability issue for Microsoft accessibility help. Is there something I am missing? Do you have any suggestions ?

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 


moderated Drag And Drop On A Web Page

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi,
I'm trying to configure my router to prioritize devices connected, so my computer gets highest priority for speed.  It reads on the router web interface page to drag and drop items to move them between the normal and high priority sections.
Does anyone know how to drag and drop on a web page?
Thanks.
 


moderated Drag And Drop On A Web Page

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
I'm trying to configure my router to prioritize devices connected, so my computer gets highest priority for speed.  It reads on the router web interface page to drag and drop items to move them between the normal and high priority sections.
Does anyone know how to drag and drop on a web page?
Thanks.
 


moderated Re: Does anyone have any tips on using the Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin app?

Cristóbal
 

Sounds like he maybe installed an older version. I know that if you wanted to use Codex, you had to use an older installer where accessibility was pretty bad, so maybe that’s what he is trying to do? I got my sighted wife’s help to get past that barrier when I installed it on my machines back in the day.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 5:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Does anyone have any tips on using the Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin app?

 

Hmmm, are you sure you got the program you need?  I didn't remember having to seek out a special version last time I downloaded it, it just saw jaws running took it from there, I think.  You might also want to reboot and try again if you haven't done that.  I just looked in the tools/ options menu on mine and it read fine.

 

CH

 

 

On 8/30/2019 14:54, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 7 PC.  Recently, I downloaded and installed this app.  However, it does not seem to be nearly as accessible as I had hoped.  For example, I seem even to have trouble “registering” it at that screen under its “tools>options” menu where seemingly none of the buttons are accessible.  Am I missing something?  Is there any particular JAWS setting(s), or perhaps scripts, for it?  Is there somewhere I can read about how to use this app?  Does anyone have some tips to share about it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Does anyone have any tips on using the Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin app?

Chris Hill
 

Hmmm, are you sure you got the program you need?  I didn't remember having to seek out a special version last time I downloaded it, it just saw jaws running took it from there, I think.  You might also want to reboot and try again if you haven't done that.  I just looked in the tools/ options menu on mine and it read fine.


CH



On 8/30/2019 14:54, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 7 PC.  Recently, I downloaded and installed this app.  However, it does not seem to be nearly as accessible as I had hoped.  For example, I seem even to have trouble “registering” it at that screen under its “tools>options” menu where seemingly none of the buttons are accessible.  Am I missing something?  Is there any particular JAWS setting(s), or perhaps scripts, for it?  Is there somewhere I can read about how to use this app?  Does anyone have some tips to share about it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Does anyone have any tips on using the Kindle for PC with Accessibility Plugin app?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 7 PC.  Recently, I downloaded and installed this app.  However, it does not seem to be nearly as accessible as I had hoped.  For example, I seem even to have trouble “registering” it at that screen under its “tools>options” menu where seemingly none of the buttons are accessible.  Am I missing something?  Is there any particular JAWS setting(s), or perhaps scripts, for it?  Is there somewhere I can read about how to use this app?  Does anyone have some tips to share about it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Best headset for use with Jaws and call center

Amanda Crocker
 

For headsets, JAWS and Call Centers there are a lot of variables and a lot of things to consider, the biggest points are:

 

  1. Is going to be personal preference of the employee, are they ok with JAWS and the customer both coming in both ears? If so, and I’ve seen a lot of JAWS users use this method very effectively, then you can really use any quality headset. We use the Logitch USB headsets, they’re comfortable, decent quality, and fairly inexpensive. https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Headset-H390-Noise-Cancelling/dp/B000UXZQ42
  2. If they want JAWS and the customer to come through different ears then a headset that only has one earpiece and an earbud are relatively simple, if not very sophisticated solutions. You can then have your system sound come through the headset and route JAWS through the earbud.
  3. As far as I know there isn’t a super affordable way to split sound on a traditional 2 eared headset, especially if you’re going to use USB headsets, I could be wrong and just don’t know about it though. These are just some of the methods and tools I am familiar with.

 

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Hi I have a great one. It is currently not in use. I’ll have it available for you to check out.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:42 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Best headset for use with Jaws and call center

 

Hi all,

 

I’m hoping someone here can help advise me on the best or some of the best models of headsets to use in a call center environment while using Jaws.

 

Thank you for any information you can give.

 

Paul Sandoval

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