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moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

JM Casey
 

I just realised that this is *your* product. Lol…so I’m sure you would encourage me to purchase. Don’t blame you for the plug here though; many could likely benefit.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: August 27, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

Let me try to sort this all out.

 

On the ribbon, draft view is alt+w, e.  Print View is alt+w, p.  Draft View can be invoked by the keystroke alt+ctrl+n unless that keystroke is being used by a Windows program, like NVDA, for launching. Draft view used to be called Normal View in the old days

 

Print View used to be called Page view, and can be invoked, again if no Windows shortcut using this keystroke has been created, with alt+Ctrl+p.

 

None of this affects the appearance of the format marks. In the Keyboard Manager, the command to which the keystroke ctrl+shift+8 is linked bears the cryptic name Show All.  It is a toggle, and those marks can be shown or hidden no matter which document view you use.  You can also toggle showing of some or all of those format marks in Word settings, alt+f, t, on the Display page. (D)

 

Should you be interested, the skills that enable me to figure some of this out can be gleaned in Windows Keyboard Power User Guide, available from

https://techforblind.us.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I don’t think it is a toggle, so you would need another keystroke to invoke a different view.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: August 27, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

JM Casey
 

Thanks, Dean.

I consider myself a pretty adequate keyboard manipulator, but I’m looking at this book you mentioned, now. I guess you consider it a worthy investment?

I didn’t know about the keyboard assignments for the views, either, or that “draft” is the same as “normal”, or rather, that the former term has replaced the latter. So, this is all good.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: August 27, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

Let me try to sort this all out.

 

On the ribbon, draft view is alt+w, e.  Print View is alt+w, p.  Draft View can be invoked by the keystroke alt+ctrl+n unless that keystroke is being used by a Windows program, like NVDA, for launching. Draft view used to be called Normal View in the old days

 

Print View used to be called Page view, and can be invoked, again if no Windows shortcut using this keystroke has been created, with alt+Ctrl+p.

 

None of this affects the appearance of the format marks. In the Keyboard Manager, the command to which the keystroke ctrl+shift+8 is linked bears the cryptic name Show All.  It is a toggle, and those marks can be shown or hidden no matter which document view you use.  You can also toggle showing of some or all of those format marks in Word settings, alt+f, t, on the Display page. (D)

 

Should you be interested, the skills that enable me to figure some of this out can be gleaned in Windows Keyboard Power User Guide, available from

https://techforblind.us.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I don’t think it is a toggle, so you would need another keystroke to invoke a different view.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: August 27, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Let me try to sort this all out.

 

On the ribbon, draft view is alt+w, e.  Print View is alt+w, p.  Draft View can be invoked by the keystroke alt+ctrl+n unless that keystroke is being used by a Windows program, like NVDA, for launching. Draft view used to be called Normal View in the old days

 

Print View used to be called Page view, and can be invoked, again if no Windows shortcut using this keystroke has been created, with alt+Ctrl+p.

 

None of this affects the appearance of the format marks. In the Keyboard Manager, the command to which the keystroke ctrl+shift+8 is linked bears the cryptic name Show All.  It is a toggle, and those marks can be shown or hidden no matter which document view you use.  You can also toggle showing of some or all of those format marks in Word settings, alt+f, t, on the Display page. (D)

 

Should you be interested, the skills that enable me to figure some of this out can be gleaned in Windows Keyboard Power User Guide, available from

https://techforblind.us.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I don’t think it is a toggle, so you would need another keystroke to invoke a different view.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: August 27, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

JM Casey
 

I don’t think it is a toggle, so you would need another keystroke to invoke a different view.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: August 27, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: keystroke for closing a search in windows explorer

JM Casey
 

HI.

This probably isn’t the only way, but, backspace key will do the trick.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 27, 2019 3:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: keystroke for closing a search in windows explorer

 

Hi,

Hoping someone here knows.

Maybe I did not have enough coffee today, but I forgot the keystroke for closing a search from a folder, which takes you back into the folder without closing the folder.

Thanks.

Glenn


moderated keystroke for closing a search in windows explorer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
Hoping someone here knows.
Maybe I did not have enough coffee today, but I forgot the keystroke for closing a search from a folder, which takes you back into the folder without closing the folder.
Thanks.
Glenn


moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

mike mcglashon
 

Block quote:

Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away.

End block quote:

So, how do you switch from print view to draft view?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

JM Casey
 

Yeah, not a fan of that approach at all!

Even though it wasn’t official as such, I always thought the old JAWS list mods worked too hard to supress negative commentary. I am aware complaining can just go too far at times, but I think a “community” that’s not geared toward mere propaganda has a right to discuss something that they feel is an issue or not being properly addressed by the makers of certain software.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: August 26, 2019 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I have to agree with Brian here, regarding lists run by an agency.  On a guide dog list which was supposed to be an authorized group by the school.  It Was, and anything perceived as negative was quickly dealt with by school administrators.  Problem was the snitch was adept at the cut and paste method.  Thus would cut out of messages important details then forward the altered message to the powers that be. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 26, 2019 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.

I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.

Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

Brian,

I could not agree more.

Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 

 

On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

Cohn, Jonathan
 

I experimented with this, because there are times I would want to see this formatting information. In a new document, I pressed the control-shift-8 and got the marks as described, but they did not go away when I hit this keystroke a second time. Moving from printview to draft view did make the marks go away. But did I miss something with the original keystroke, and also does this function available via the ribbon also?
Thanks,
Jonathan


moderated Re: Listening to video on internet

Mario
 

(VideoLAN Client) Open source media player software that is part of
VideoLAN, an academic project
for streaming video that began in Paris in the mid-1990s.

VLC Definition from PC Magazine Encyclopedia
https://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/63750/vlcI think VLC stands for

-------- Original Message --------
From: John Covici [mailto:covici@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, August 26, 2019, 3:14 PM
Subject: Listening to video on internet

vlc is a media player which will play many formats, more than windows
media player.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:59:53 -0400,
Kevin Meyers wrote:

C stand for?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet

I think vlc would keep your place, windows media player does not, as far as
I know.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:32:56 -0400,
Kevin Meyers wrote:

Actually I go to a site which has a link to a mp3 file. I just looked
at it closer and there are two links One is to play it through the
browser. The next link allows me to download it to my laptop. I then
opened the zip file, selected the mp3 file and it starts playing through
windows media player.
With that in mind is there a way to advance the mp3 file to the point
I left off at after I closed the file?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet

Is this all videos, youtube only, or somme other site only?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:52:33 -0400,
Kevin Meyers wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
[2 <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Thanks and Neither
works.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean
Martineau
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet



Two thoughts, and there could be many others. First, put the JAWS
focus somewhere else, maybe you are focused on the time display.
Second,
assuming you?re just listening to the video and don?t need JAWS for
anything else at the moment, press insert+space, S to have JAWS just
give speech on the demand, then switch it back.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Listening to video on internet



Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and
listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that
has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off?
Thanks, Kevin



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moderated Re: indeed.com inability to use website

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I too don't have an issue with Indeed, from the perspective of an employer looking for an assistant.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 23 July 2019 00:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indeed.com inability to use website

Am I the only person who doesn't have an issue on Indeed? I must have applied to like half a dozen jobs on that site this week. Or is the fact I'm on the north side of the US/Canada border what saves me from the madness? I still use the .com version, though, as there's no indeed.ca that I know of.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July-22-19 5:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indeed.com inability to use website

Hi,

I went to the website, went to apply to any job and when the screen came up that cannot be used, I went to the touch cursor. How do I navigate to the fields to enter information and then to upload my resume etc.?? the arrow keys mentioned did nothing by hitting right or left arrow key...

Thanks,

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indeed.com inability to use website

If the PC and Jaws cursors fail this is the new cursor to try and keep up with the current tech.

The Touch cursor is activated by pressing shift and the plus key on the numpad at the same time. This cursor is required more and more. Now use the left and right arrow keys to navigate like swiping left and right on a IPhone. use space bar or enter to activate items.On 7/22/2019 1:06 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi,

This is a problem with all browsers. Using the touch cursor? Perhaps my definition of the jaws or pc cursor is and has been used. Failed with both. If touch cursor is different, I've truly never heard of this, please explain.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 3:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: indeed.com inability to use website

Have you tried the touch cursor? Or other browsers and yes even IE 11?


On 7/20/2019 12:02 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Hi all,

From time to time, I jump on indeed.com and apply to jobs here and there.

I went to apply for a job and clicked on the apply button, no problem at this point. Now, when the page opened that had you put your name, email, phone number, attach your resume and copy/paste a cover letter... this page is not working where jaws reads it. I only am hearing the page I am on and arrowing or tabbing does nothing to move to these points as mentioned. Even hitting the letter e to go to an edit field is not working.

Any help surely appreciated.

Using Jaws 2019 latest update
Windows 10 all up to date
this happens on firefox, internet explorer and google crome...

This was not a problem the last time I was on this site, before the last update, July 2019, I believe last update...

I look forward to your help, ideas etc...

Rick









moderated Re: Sending Multiple attachments in gmail

Robbie Miller
 

Hey, thanks. I’ll give it a try when I get to work.

 

By the way, I’m using the gmail web site to do this.

 

Robbie

 

millerrobbie@...

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sending Multiple attachments in gmail

 

No snark intended:  The same way you do elsewhere.

If you need to make multiple attachments from a single folder, once you've activated the Attachments button select the file or files from that folder in the same way you do in any other Windows program in the file selection dialog.

If it's from multiple folders, you will have to activate the attachments button and navigate to each folder successively, selecting the file or files you wish from each.

If there's some other specific problem please elaborate.

--

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: New computer specs

James English
 

Hello,

I am the owner of 27 computers, largely performing backup or server
integration duties. If you tell me exactly what you intend to do on
it, I'm likely as good as the guy in the computer shop to tell you
which model is best.

On 8/27/19, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
I bought an low end Asus computer at Walmart, and it is five years old, and
is more snappy now than it ever was with new versions of Win10. I quit
buying high end computer years ago, because I had the same problem of them
falling apart faster than cheap Walmart ones LOL!
I never had a dell last past a few years. My HP and Asus, both dirt cheap,
are lasting and working much better than my expensive Dell computers ever
did LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Andy
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

In 2012 i bought a high end Dell desktop PC for over a thousand dollars and
it lasted 5 years.  in 2017 I read about refurb PCs on walmart.com and found
an HP desktop with 8 GB RAM and an AMD 3.7 GH processor amd a 2 TB HD for
$184.  At that price I bought 2, one for me and one for my wife.  After
almost 2.5 years, both machines are running like Timex watches.  What I
learned is that you should consider your use case.  Most folks buy far more
PC than they need, and could save a lot of money that they could use for
software, etc.  The other thing I liked about these units was a clean copy
of Windows with no bloatware.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Diederick
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello all:
Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and
browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I
seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card.
That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it
states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six
years plus I would be very happy with that.

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
wrote:
The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large
audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software,
which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he
mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be
surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for
a year.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open
some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs



A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to
be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.

Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

























moderated Re: Is there a Skype users list?

Lino Morales
 

Hi Ann. Yes their is. The Skype English list is on groups.io.

On 8/26/2019 10:46 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
I am struggling with Skype 8.5 and JAWS.  Is there a Skype list to come to my rescue???

Thanks,



moderated Is there a Skype users list?

Ann Byrne
 

I am struggling with Skype 8.5 and JAWS. Is there a Skype list to come to my rescue???

Thanks,


moderated cannot reinstall JAWS 2019 on Windows 10

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all,
After seeing some posts about Winaero Tweaker, I downloaded, installed and tweaked my system with it. Everything appeared to be going swimmingly after a reboot, except that JAWS would crash and close each time I ran Google Chrome or the new Edge. I was also having trouble finding the start menu search box using JAWS, but not with NVDA, Window-eyes or Narrator. So, I repaired JAWS, to no avail. I then uninstalled JAWS through add/remove programs; again, to no avail.

Finally, I used the Microsoft Program Installer troubleshooting app to uninstall each and every Freedom Scientific component. But now, when I attempt to reinstall JAWS, I only get a repair option. I've gone through the registry and deleted all references to Freedom Scientific and JAWS. But each time I try to rerun the JAWS installer, I only get a repair option, an error and a close button. How the heck can JAWS want to repair itself if it's not installed anywhere on my system? Furthermore what can I do? I would really hate to reinstall Windows over this.
Many thanks,
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
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moderated Re: New computer specs

David Moore
 

I bought an low end Asus computer at Walmart, and it is five years old, and is more snappy now than it ever was with new versions of Win10. I quit buying high end computer years ago, because I had the same problem of them falling apart faster than cheap Walmart ones LOL!

I never had a dell last past a few years. My HP and Asus, both dirt cheap, are lasting and working much better than my expensive Dell computers ever did LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andy
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

In 2012 i bought a high end Dell desktop PC for over a thousand dollars and it lasted 5 years.  in 2017 I read about refurb PCs on walmart.com and found an HP desktop with 8 GB RAM and an AMD 3.7 GH processor amd a 2 TB HD for $184.  At that price I bought 2, one for me and one for my wife.  After almost 2.5 years, both machines are running like Timex watches.  What I learned is that you should consider your use case.  Most folks buy far more PC than they need, and could save a lot of money that they could use for software, etc.  The other thing I liked about these units was a clean copy of Windows with no bloatware.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

Hello all:
Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card. That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six years plus I would be very happy with that.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.

And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.

Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.

I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs



A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was  

dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a  

refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to

be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted

up.

Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G

Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

 

Feliciano

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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick

<andrew.diederick@...>

wrote:

 

Hello all.

Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:

I9 processor

16 GB ram

256 GB SSD

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

 

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of

these

specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should

make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?

Appreciate any advise.

 

Thank you-

Andrew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 








 


moderated Re: Sending Multiple attachments in gmail

 

No snark intended:  The same way you do elsewhere.

If you need to make multiple attachments from a single folder, once you've activated the Attachments button select the file or files from that folder in the same way you do in any other Windows program in the file selection dialog.

If it's from multiple folders, you will have to activate the attachments button and navigate to each folder successively, selecting the file or files you wish from each.

If there's some other specific problem please elaborate.

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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Diamond
 

I left the NVDA list a long time ago because of petty discussions and debates.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: August 26, 2019 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list


Not any more.  There will soon be a second list devoted to NVDA, just as a second list has been created for JAWS users. Apparently, the creator of the new NVDA list, who has had a long history of being argumentative and confrontational on every list he belongs to, was stripped of his co-moderator status on the original NVDA list because of complaints from other list members and so, like the creator of the new JFW Users list, he decided to get even  and start his own NVDA list, where he can be as confrontational as he wants. I won't mention his name, but anyone who belongs to the Blind Tech or Tech Talk lists knows who I'm talking about.

Gerald



On 8/26/2019 5:34 PM, Mario wrote:
I agree. there should be one list for JAWS, just like there's one for
NVDA, Windows 10, Thunderbird, etc. questions.

------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 26, 2019, 5:17 PM
Subject: how does one join the new JAWS list

Sounds reasonable to me. Besides which, if there are 2+ lists
essentially covering the same ground, and a bunch of people are on
both/all of them, what’ll happen is that you’ll end up seeing the same
question repeated multiple times.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK, I hope that our estimable group owner here on this group will not
find what I'm about to do upsetting, but now I must:

Why, oh why, does there even need to be another JAWS users group on
Groups.io?

It seems that all the refugees (for lack of a better term) from the
now defunct group that have landed on our shores have been welcomed to
our island.  Why on earth form another island, again, for information
sharing about exactly the same software that we share about here?  Why
not just come here and join our happy family?

What is the pressing need for JAWS user's groups two through N, at
least within any given language community? What am I missing?


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Diamond
 

I have to agree with Brian here, regarding lists run by an agency.  On a guide dog list which was supposed to be an authorized group by the school.  It Was, and anything perceived as negative was quickly dealt with by school administrators.  Problem was the snitch was adept at the cut and paste method.  Thus would cut out of messages important details then forward the altered message to the powers that be. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 26, 2019 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.

I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.

Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

Brian,

I could not agree more.

Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
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