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moderated Re: New computer specs

James English
 

Hello,

I am the owner of 27 computers, largely performing backup or server
integration duties. If you tell me exactly what you intend to do on
it, I'm likely as good as the guy in the computer shop to tell you
which model is best.

On 8/27/19, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
I bought an low end Asus computer at Walmart, and it is five years old, and
is more snappy now than it ever was with new versions of Win10. I quit
buying high end computer years ago, because I had the same problem of them
falling apart faster than cheap Walmart ones LOL!
I never had a dell last past a few years. My HP and Asus, both dirt cheap,
are lasting and working much better than my expensive Dell computers ever
did LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Andy
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

In 2012 i bought a high end Dell desktop PC for over a thousand dollars and
it lasted 5 years.  in 2017 I read about refurb PCs on walmart.com and found
an HP desktop with 8 GB RAM and an AMD 3.7 GH processor amd a 2 TB HD for
$184.  At that price I bought 2, one for me and one for my wife.  After
almost 2.5 years, both machines are running like Timex watches.  What I
learned is that you should consider your use case.  Most folks buy far more
PC than they need, and could save a lot of money that they could use for
software, etc.  The other thing I liked about these units was a clean copy
of Windows with no bloatware.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Diederick
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello all:
Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and
browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I
seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card.
That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it
states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six
years plus I would be very happy with that.

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
wrote:
The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large
audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software,
which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he
mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be
surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for
a year.

Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open
some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs



A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to
be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.

Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

























moderated Re: Is there a Skype users list?

Lino Morales
 

Hi Ann. Yes their is. The Skype English list is on groups.io.

On 8/26/2019 10:46 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
I am struggling with Skype 8.5 and JAWS.  Is there a Skype list to come to my rescue???

Thanks,



moderated Is there a Skype users list?

Ann Byrne
 

I am struggling with Skype 8.5 and JAWS. Is there a Skype list to come to my rescue???

Thanks,


moderated cannot reinstall JAWS 2019 on Windows 10

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all,
After seeing some posts about Winaero Tweaker, I downloaded, installed and tweaked my system with it. Everything appeared to be going swimmingly after a reboot, except that JAWS would crash and close each time I ran Google Chrome or the new Edge. I was also having trouble finding the start menu search box using JAWS, but not with NVDA, Window-eyes or Narrator. So, I repaired JAWS, to no avail. I then uninstalled JAWS through add/remove programs; again, to no avail.

Finally, I used the Microsoft Program Installer troubleshooting app to uninstall each and every Freedom Scientific component. But now, when I attempt to reinstall JAWS, I only get a repair option. I've gone through the registry and deleted all references to Freedom Scientific and JAWS. But each time I try to rerun the JAWS installer, I only get a repair option, an error and a close button. How the heck can JAWS want to repair itself if it's not installed anywhere on my system? Furthermore what can I do? I would really hate to reinstall Windows over this.
Many thanks,
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
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moderated Re: New computer specs

David Moore
 

I bought an low end Asus computer at Walmart, and it is five years old, and is more snappy now than it ever was with new versions of Win10. I quit buying high end computer years ago, because I had the same problem of them falling apart faster than cheap Walmart ones LOL!

I never had a dell last past a few years. My HP and Asus, both dirt cheap, are lasting and working much better than my expensive Dell computers ever did LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andy
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

In 2012 i bought a high end Dell desktop PC for over a thousand dollars and it lasted 5 years.  in 2017 I read about refurb PCs on walmart.com and found an HP desktop with 8 GB RAM and an AMD 3.7 GH processor amd a 2 TB HD for $184.  At that price I bought 2, one for me and one for my wife.  After almost 2.5 years, both machines are running like Timex watches.  What I learned is that you should consider your use case.  Most folks buy far more PC than they need, and could save a lot of money that they could use for software, etc.  The other thing I liked about these units was a clean copy of Windows with no bloatware.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

Hello all:
Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card. That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six years plus I would be very happy with that.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.

And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.

Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.

I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs



A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was  

dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a  

refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to

be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted

up.

Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G

Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: New computer specs

 

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

 

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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick

<andrew.diederick@...>

wrote:

 

Hello all.

Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:

I9 processor

16 GB ram

256 GB SSD

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

 

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of

these

specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should

make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?

Appreciate any advise.

 

Thank you-

Andrew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 








 


moderated Re: Sending Multiple attachments in gmail

 

No snark intended:  The same way you do elsewhere.

If you need to make multiple attachments from a single folder, once you've activated the Attachments button select the file or files from that folder in the same way you do in any other Windows program in the file selection dialog.

If it's from multiple folders, you will have to activate the attachments button and navigate to each folder successively, selecting the file or files you wish from each.

If there's some other specific problem please elaborate.

--

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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Diamond
 

I left the NVDA list a long time ago because of petty discussions and debates.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: August 26, 2019 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list


Not any more.  There will soon be a second list devoted to NVDA, just as a second list has been created for JAWS users. Apparently, the creator of the new NVDA list, who has had a long history of being argumentative and confrontational on every list he belongs to, was stripped of his co-moderator status on the original NVDA list because of complaints from other list members and so, like the creator of the new JFW Users list, he decided to get even  and start his own NVDA list, where he can be as confrontational as he wants. I won't mention his name, but anyone who belongs to the Blind Tech or Tech Talk lists knows who I'm talking about.

Gerald



On 8/26/2019 5:34 PM, Mario wrote:
I agree. there should be one list for JAWS, just like there's one for
NVDA, Windows 10, Thunderbird, etc. questions.

------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 26, 2019, 5:17 PM
Subject: how does one join the new JAWS list

Sounds reasonable to me. Besides which, if there are 2+ lists
essentially covering the same ground, and a bunch of people are on
both/all of them, what’ll happen is that you’ll end up seeing the same
question repeated multiple times.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK, I hope that our estimable group owner here on this group will not
find what I'm about to do upsetting, but now I must:

Why, oh why, does there even need to be another JAWS users group on
Groups.io?

It seems that all the refugees (for lack of a better term) from the
now defunct group that have landed on our shores have been welcomed to
our island.  Why on earth form another island, again, for information
sharing about exactly the same software that we share about here?  Why
not just come here and join our happy family?

What is the pressing need for JAWS user's groups two through N, at
least within any given language community? What am I missing?


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Diamond
 

I have to agree with Brian here, regarding lists run by an agency.  On a guide dog list which was supposed to be an authorized group by the school.  It Was, and anything perceived as negative was quickly dealt with by school administrators.  Problem was the snitch was adept at the cut and paste method.  Thus would cut out of messages important details then forward the altered message to the powers that be. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 26, 2019 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.

I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.

Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

Brian,

I could not agree more.

Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Kendra Schafer <redwing731@...>
 

Hi all! 
I went ahead and joined this group when all of my other blindness related email lists kept sending around the way to subscribe to this group. I’m glad they did because I’m a user of JAWS and this is one way to keep updated and ask questions regarding JAWS as they come up. 

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On Aug 26, 2019, at 16:44, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.
I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.
Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Brian,
I could not agree more.
Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.
And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

James Homuth
 

This is actually the longest running list for JAWS I know of. It started I believe in the late 90’s or early 2000’s. This website alone has archives going back as far as 2011, when I hosted it myself. Freelists has older ones than that, and if you feel like giving yourself brain damage, I think Yahoo Groups still has the original. The only one I don’t have admin rights on is the Yahoo group—that’s before my time, but not by much. So, basically what I’m saying is clearly I need to get this list out more. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-26-19 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.

I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.

Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

Brian,

I could not agree more.

Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Diamond
 

Well, speaking for myself, the moderator of the group determines whether I stay or leave. On one group that I am on with some of you, the moderator wants all the glory but seems to be unwilling to do any work. I was put on moderated status by a moderator that left.  No one knew why I was put on moderated status.  The narcistic moderator was unwilling to look into it however, their co-moderator was, and found out why it took sometimes a entire week for my posts to be posted. Why was I put on moderated status?  Because I foolishly praised the mods for the job they were doing and one of the mods decided I was brown nosing, so put me on moderated status.  Btw, the rules stated that list members were supposed to be informed of a violation of the rules. I was not informed of anything.  Just all of a sudden, my posts were taking hours or days to be posted. Oh, Richard, I love your tag line at the end of your messages.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 26, 2019 2:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

The only issue is that people can create groups almost at the drop of the hat.

I guess, if people decided to only join one group, eventually the other group would go away.

 

But, which group?

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

I know there are multiple groups out there for most every topic, but I personally only belong to I think 4 distinct groups.

Well, as far as I know, there are no officially sponsored groups for most things.

Anyone can start a group, so good luck with getting the number of groups narrowed down.

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

I agree. there should be one list for JAWS, just like there's one for
NVDA, Windows 10, Thunderbird, etc.  questions.

------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 26, 2019, 5:17 PM
Subject: how does one join the new JAWS list

Sounds reasonable to me. Besides which, if there are 2+ lists
essentially covering the same ground, and a bunch of people are on
both/all of them, what’ll happen is that you’ll end up seeing the same
question repeated multiple times.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK, I hope that our estimable group owner here on this group will not
find what I'm about to do upsetting, but now I must:

Why, oh why, does there even need to be another JAWS users group on
Groups.io?

It seems that all the refugees (for lack of a better term) from the now
defunct group that have landed on our shores have been welcomed to our
island.  Why on earth form another island, again, for information
sharing about exactly the same software that we share about here?  Why
not just come here and join our happy family?

What is the pressing need for JAWS user's groups two through N, at least
within any given language community? What am I missing?

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

          ~ Eric Hoffer






moderated Sending Multiple attachments in gmail

Robbie Miller
 

Hello guys,

Can anyone tell me how to send multiple attachments on the gmail web site?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Robbie Miller

millerrobbie@...

 


moderated Re: JAWS Dump Command

JM Casey
 

"dump " isn't a euphemism for trashing something in this case, it's a file containing memory values of some kind pertaining to JAWS. I wouldn't know what to look for in a dump file, but certainly high-level tech support staff might.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: August 26, 2019 8:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

I thought the Jaws and f4 keys just closed down Jaws, but didn't completely dump it.

If I'm wrong about this, I hope someone will correct me.

I think the Jaws dump command clears certain temporary Jaws configurations in addition to closing it down.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

jaws key and f4 dumps and reloads jaws.
it depends on your keyboard layout.
the jaws key can be the insert keys or the caps lock key and the f4 key.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Can someone tell me what the Jaws dump command is?

I simply can't remember the key combination.

Thank you!

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Sure. It will only restart if it isn't so "broken" that it can't recognise the command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: August 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Dump Command

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: JAWS Dump Command

Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Dan.

I thought there was more to the Jaws dump command.

You have successfully jogged my memory.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Slight correction, JAWS key & Windows key & F4 dumps and reloads JAWS. JAWS key and F4 simply dumps JAWS without reload .

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

jaws key and f4 dumps and reloads jaws.
it depends on your keyboard layout.
the jaws key can be the insert keys or the caps lock key and the f4 key.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Can someone tell me what the Jaws dump command is?

I simply can't remember the key combination.

Thank you!

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Sure. It will only restart if it isn't so "broken" that it can't recognise the command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: August 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Dump Command

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: JAWS Dump Command

Tom Behler
 

I thought the Jaws and f4 keys just closed down Jaws, but didn't completely dump it.

If I'm wrong about this, I hope someone will correct me.

I think the Jaws dump command clears certain temporary Jaws configurations in addition to closing it down.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

jaws key and f4 dumps and reloads jaws.
it depends on your keyboard layout.
the jaws key can be the insert keys or the caps lock key and the f4 key.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 12:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Can someone tell me what the Jaws dump command is?

I simply can't remember the key combination.

Thank you!

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

Sure. It will only restart if it isn't so "broken" that it can't recognise the command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: August 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Dump Command

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Glenn / Lenny
 


I personally did not know about this one until the other one failed.
I was considering creating one myself because of the manner that the old one was managed.
Then the other one closed and someone informed me of this one.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Brian,
I could not agree more.
Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.
And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Gerald Levy
 

Not any more.  There will soon be a second list devoted to NVDA, just as a second list has been created for JAWS users. Apparently, the creator of the new NVDA list, who has had a long history of being argumentative and confrontational on every list he belongs to, was stripped of his co-moderator status on the original NVDA list because of complaints from other list members and so, like the creator of the new JFW Users list, he decided to get even  and start his own NVDA list, where he can be as confrontational as he wants. I won't mention his name, but anyone who belongs to the Blind Tech or Tech Talk lists knows who I'm talking about.

Gerald

On 8/26/2019 5:34 PM, Mario wrote:
I agree. there should be one list for JAWS, just like there's one for
NVDA, Windows 10, Thunderbird, etc. questions.

------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 26, 2019, 5:17 PM
Subject: how does one join the new JAWS list

Sounds reasonable to me. Besides which, if there are 2+ lists
essentially covering the same ground, and a bunch of people are on
both/all of them, what’ll happen is that you’ll end up seeing the same
question repeated multiple times.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 26, 2019 4:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK, I hope that our estimable group owner here on this group will not
find what I'm about to do upsetting, but now I must:

Why, oh why, does there even need to be another JAWS users group on
Groups.io?

It seems that all the refugees (for lack of a better term) from the now
defunct group that have landed on our shores have been welcomed to our
island.  Why on earth form another island, again, for information
sharing about exactly the same software that we share about here?  Why
not just come here and join our happy family?

What is the pressing need for JAWS user's groups two through N, at least
within any given language community? What am I missing?


moderated Re: JAWS Dump Command

Rick Mladek
 

Pardon my ignorance here but what memory is cleared with this dump command?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Dump Command

I have not noticed that occuring when using the JAWS & Windows & F4 however
there is a long delay before it occurs as memory is being cleared.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Dump Command

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not
automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Cristóbal
 

Same reason why I’m not signed up to every single social media service out there. At one point, you end up following the same people and same topics. Can also be applied for communication platforms. No matter if I have FB messenger, Skype or sign up to WhatsApp, it’s still the same folks in my contacts. How many ways do I need to contact you or vice versa?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 2:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.

And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Richard Turner
 

Brian,
I could not agree more.
Why people were so quick to recreate a group when this one was running fine is a mystery to me.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Since, as far as know, there isn't an official group run by Freedom Scientific, nor one run by Mozilla for Thunderbird, etc.
And for this I am grateful, as I do not want my support groups beholden to the companies that make any given product or service.  User groups need to allow users to be entirely free to criticize the maker of the product being discussed, provided it's constructive or brief venting.  Intractable rants don't help anyone and drive serious participants away.

I realize that there sometimes more than one group/list for a given product, and a lot of that can be the result of history.   But when you have several groups, covering the same territory in the same first language on the same venue, common sense dictates trying to integrate them.  In this case, it was a perfectly convenient time to do that, but apparently it won't happen secondary to the "rush to reconstitute" rather than coming into this fold.

Unless there is some compelling case, I stand against fragmentation of information sharing for a given arena/product on principle.  It makes it harder to find what you need to know.

And I hasten to add that this is, in no way, saying that this group is superior to any other on the same topic.  It's just that it is one with a large membership and well-established reputation and track record with regard to JAWS.  Others (and I have been on some, typically briefly) have paled in comparison in my opinion and when they dissolve it would be nice to try to encourage those displaced to transfer allegiances rather than setting up replacements.   If this were the group that had less than half the membership of "its next competitor" and it were to go out of existence, I'd certainly say, "Well, it's time to join the one that's still standing."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer