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moderated Re: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Press shift+ctrl+8 (number row) and things will return to normal. 

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ed Culpepper
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 11:28 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

 

Suddenly inn the past 2 days Jaws2019 has started voicing previously unspoken doc layout info not previously spoken. For example, a Word doc containing the line “Departure: October 31, 2019” will be spoken as “Departure:space marker October space marker 31, space marker 2019 paragraph mark.” I don’t know how this started or how to stop the unwanted verbosity. Running Jaws2019, Office 2016 Pro, Win 10, all latest versions. Any help greatly appreciated … although please be as step-by-step as possible.

 

J Edward Culpepper, PhD

Huntsville, Alabama

 


moderated Word Suddenly Verbose about Doc Layout

Ed Culpepper
 

Suddenly inn the past 2 days Jaws2019 has started voicing previously unspoken doc layout info not previously spoken. For example, a Word doc containing the line “Departure: October 31, 2019” will be spoken as “Departure:space marker October space marker 31, space marker 2019 paragraph mark.” I don’t know how this started or how to stop the unwanted verbosity. Running Jaws2019, Office 2016 Pro, Win 10, all latest versions. Any help greatly appreciated … although please be as step-by-step as possible.

 

J Edward Culpepper, PhD

Huntsville, Alabama

 


moderated Re: Listening to video on internet

Marty Hutchings
 

Kevin,  I usually have to hit Alt Tab while I am listening and Alt Tab back to the browser when the video is over.
 
Love in Christ
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet
 

Thanks and Neither works.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet

 

Two thoughts, and there could be many others.  First, put the JAWS focus somewhere else, maybe you are focused on the time display.  Second, assuming you’re just listening to the video and don’t need JAWS for anything else at the moment, press insert+space, S to have JAWS just give speech on the demand, then switch it back.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Listening to video on internet

 

Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Listening to video on internet

John Covici
 

Is this all videos, youtube only, or somme other site only?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:52:33 -0400,
Kevin Meyers wrote:

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Thanks and Neither works.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet



Two thoughts, and there could be many others. First, put the JAWS focus somewhere else, maybe you are focused on the time display. Second, assuming you’re just listening to the video and don’t need JAWS for anything else at the moment,
press insert+space, S to have JAWS just give speech on the demand, then switch it back.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Listening to video on internet



Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off? Thanks, Kevin

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Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: Listening to video on internet

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Thanks and Neither works.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Listening to video on internet

 

Two thoughts, and there could be many others.  First, put the JAWS focus somewhere else, maybe you are focused on the time display.  Second, assuming you’re just listening to the video and don’t need JAWS for anything else at the moment, press insert+space, S to have JAWS just give speech on the demand, then switch it back.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Listening to video on internet

 

Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: JAWS Dump Command

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I have observed this behavior of the JAWS Dump command. What with greater
stability, I have far fewer JAWS crashes than I had before, so it isn't the
problem it once would have been, but JAWS does not always restart after
pressing the keystroke.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Dump Command

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not
automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: Listening to video on internet

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Two thoughts, and there could be many others.  First, put the JAWS focus somewhere else, maybe you are focused on the time display.  Second, assuming you’re just listening to the video and don’t need JAWS for anything else at the moment, press insert+space, S to have JAWS just give speech on the demand, then switch it back.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Listening to video on internet

 

Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Listening to video on internet

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, There has been several times I will be on a web site and listening to a video. every 20 seconds or so the amount of time that has elapsed is read by Jaws. Is there a way to turn this off? Thanks, Kevin


moderated JAWS Dump Command

Cook, Steve
 

Hi All,

Has anyone else noticed when pressing the jaws dump command jaws does not automatically restart?

Steve


moderated Re: New computer specs

David Ingram
 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jason White via Groups.Io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
Sent: Aug 25, 2019 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

If you're using OCR extensively, you may notice. Likewise if you're a software developer who compiles large programs frequently, or you're doing something else that is computationally intensive. Otherwise, the CPU probably isn't the performance problem.

On 8/25/19, 15:55, "Tyler Wood" <main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of tcwood12@...> wrote:

Benchmarks tell an 8th of the story. In every day performance, it means nothing. Slow to one person may not be slow to another and that $500 extra spent on the i9 processor wouldn't be noticeable to anyone but a tech enthusiast or someone who does heavy processing work, and would make more heat, thus likely lessening the laptop's lifespan. This isn't so much the case in a desktop with adequate cooling, where these days stock clock speeds hover right around 5 ghz, which even in our rapidly changing computing era, will last for years and years and again, 99% of people don't take advantage of 20% much less 100% of the power of their processors.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of
the same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th
generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score
than my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers,
especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if
someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
> I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
> Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: New computer specs
>
> More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
> I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
> Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
> But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.
>
> I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.
>
> On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
>>> Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: New computer specs
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
>>> I9 processor
>>> 16 GB ram
>>> 256 GB SSD
>>> NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060
>>>
>>> I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
>>> Appreciate any advise.
>>>
>>> Thank you-
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>












I wrote, see if 32gb or 64gb should work because if you're using jaws and the latest version, you'll need ram just because jaws does use a nice amount of ram. Not to mention if you're using other screen reading programs.


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David Moore
 

Hi Jessica!

The subscription address for Mike Capelle’s JAWS list is:

Jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

David Faren closed his list all of a sudden, because he said that people were giving him a very hard time with threatening emails and the like!

His list was getting too strict!

The new list is so much better already!

Almost 200 people have subscribed already!

Take care, Jessica!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hozefa Tambawala
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 11:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

Hi David,

 

Please share the subscription mail Id.

 

On 8/25/19, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:

>> Hi, How do I join?

>> I'm very sad to hear about the closure of the other jaws list.

> Why did this happen?

> Thanks,

> Jessica

>> 

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> 

>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 10:47 PM, David & his pack of dogs

>> <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

>> 

>> Here is an email being circulated widely.  Hello Lists,

>> 

>> Michael Capelle recently started the jfw-users@groups.io list in response

>> to

>> the closure of the jaws-users-list@groups.io list. I am the moderator of

>> this new list and am seeking new members in order to make it the best

>> resource possible for JAWS information.

>> I will do my best to keep topics on point while encouraging

>> communication.

>> But we need as many JAWS savvy users as possible in order to have the

>> best

>> knowledgebase. Hope to see you on the list.

>> 

>> Alan Lemly

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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"Life is like a piano.

White keys are happy moments

& Black keys are sad moments.

But remember both keys are played together to give sweet music."

 

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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Hozefa Tambawala
 

Hi David,

Please share the subscription mail Id.

On 8/25/19, Jessica D <jldail13@...> wrote:
Hi, How do I join?
I'm very sad to hear about the closure of the other jaws list.
Why did this happen?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2019, at 10:47 PM, David & his pack of dogs
<myguidedogis@...> wrote:

Here is an email being circulated widely. Hello Lists,

Michael Capelle recently started the jfw-users@groups.io list in response
to
the closure of the jaws-users-list@groups.io list. I am the moderator of
this new list and am seeking new members in order to make it the best
resource possible for JAWS information.
I will do my best to keep topics on point while encouraging
communication.
But we need as many JAWS savvy users as possible in order to have the
best
knowledgebase. Hope to see you on the list.

Alan Lemly









--
"Life is like a piano.
White keys are happy moments
& Black keys are sad moments.
But remember both keys are played together to give sweet music."

"Focus on your abilities, not your disability."

Follow me on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/starhoze

Skype ID:
star.hoze

Warm Regards,
Hozefa...


moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Marty Hutchings
 

When you say that the mix changes when you plug in the computer to AC power tells me that this may have something to do with the power profile settings of the laptop. Sometimes, I have heard that things get reconfigured to save power when on battery power to save energy.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

Jason White
 

If you're using OCR extensively, you may notice. Likewise if you're a software developer who compiles large programs frequently, or you're doing something else that is computationally intensive. Otherwise, the CPU probably isn't the performance problem.

On 8/25/19, 15:55, "Tyler Wood" <main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of tcwood12@...> wrote:

Benchmarks tell an 8th of the story. In every day performance, it means nothing. Slow to one person may not be slow to another and that $500 extra spent on the i9 processor wouldn't be noticeable to anyone but a tech enthusiast or someone who does heavy processing work, and would make more heat, thus likely lessening the laptop's lifespan. This isn't so much the case in a desktop with adequate cooling, where these days stock clock speeds hover right around 5 ghz, which even in our rapidly changing computing era, will last for years and years and again, 99% of people don't take advantage of 20% much less 100% of the power of their processors.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of
the same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th
generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score
than my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers,
especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if
someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
> I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
> Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: New computer specs
>
> More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
> I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
> Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
> But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.
>
> I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.
>
> On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
>>> Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: New computer specs
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
>>> I9 processor
>>> 16 GB ram
>>> 256 GB SSD
>>> NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060
>>>
>>> I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
>>> Appreciate any advise.
>>>
>>> Thank you-
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


moderated Re: New computer specs

Jason White
 

Yes, I'm sure those are around, but I haven't read any announcement of JAWS for ARM yet. So, you probably can't run JAWS on ARM-based laptops yet.

At the very least, JAWS developers will probably have to rewrite any x86 assembly language code that they're using to make it run on ARM - and there may be other changes needed as well.

On 8/25/19, 16:38, "Glenn / Lenny" <main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of glennervin@...> wrote:

I was wondering when laptops will start being shipped with ARM processors,
like our phones use, and here is a good story on this:
Glenn


moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Rick Mladek
 

Be sure your using a duel channel device. If you can hear both, this is
good. However, you also need be sure you are connected properly to the audio
port, as well. And, as previously mentioned, that the settings are all
correct with microphone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Rick Mladek
 

Have you gone into settings and made sure this device is set as your
microphone?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a
person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works
beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end
can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix,
but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery,
that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate
with this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same
side, then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only
other option would be braille display for the individual when still
being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured
device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.








moderated what is a toroid?

Ann Byrne
 

We use it in ham radio to get rid of interference when our radios activate things like our neighbor's hammond organ. (LOL) It is a donut shaped/size metal thingy that goes around a cord and somehow removes the overpowering electronic whatsit.

At 03:48 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Please forgive me, but what on earth is a toroid?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.




















moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Marty Hutchings
 

Please forgive me, but what on earth is a toroid?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

I was wondering when laptops will start being shipped with ARM processors, like our phones use, and here is a good story on this:
Glenn
From:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/16734402/windows-10-arm-snapdragon-laptop-hp-asus-lenovo-hands-on


These are the first Windows 10 ARM laptops
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HP and Asus' ARM computers look familiar

By Dan Seifert@dcseifert Dec 5, 2017, 4:09pm EST
Share this storya.. Share this on Facebook (opens in new window)b.. Share this on Twitter (opens in new window)c.. SHAREAll sharing optionsHP Envy X2Earlier today, Qualcomm and Microsoft announced the first Windows 10 devices with ARM-based processors will be arriving early next year. HP, Asus, and Lenovo will all be launching laptops and convertibles with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 processor in them, with prices expected to range from $600 to $800.

Windows 10 on ARM is a reboot of Microsoft's earlier attempts to marry mobile processors with full laptop experiences. It promises to provide better power efficiencies, reliable performance, and always-on connectivity compared to the x86 Intel-based computers that have existed so far.

Contrary to what you might expect, the new Windows 10 ARM computers don't look hugely different from their Intel counterparts. They all support standard Windows 10 features, such as a touchscreen, Windows Hello, and pen input. HP Envy X2 looks just like the Spectre X2 detachable already available, while Asus' NovaGo is a standard laptop that is visually indistinguishable from the rest of its lineup. Both models will launch with Windows 10 S, but can be upgraded to the full Windows 10 experience.

HP Envy X2 HP Envy X2
As a result, first impressions from the new devices aren't hugely different from any other Windows 10 device. ARM computers aren't noticeably thinner or lighter than others, and though they lack any sort of fans, many newer Intel computers are fanless, as well. The Envy X2 is very similar to many of the Surface Pro types of computers that already exist, while the NovaGo feels just like any other budget to midrange laptop.

On the specs front, the Envy X2 is definitely the more premium-looking of the two models, and has a 12.3-inch 1920 x 1280 pixel display with up to 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. The NovaGo can be similarly equipped with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage, but its fixed display is a 13.3-inch 1920 x 1080 pixel panel. The NovaGo's screen can't be detached, but it does rotate 360 degrees for tablet mode. The Envy relies entirely on USB Type-C ports for its input and output, while the Asus has full-size USB Type-A ports and an HDMI port.

Asus NovaGo Asus NovaGo
The real differences with these computers will be felt once we've gotten a chance to use these computers in an everyday scenario. Qualcomm boasts battery life of up to 25 hours, plus instant power on and performance that is on par with an Intel computer. It also says that the built-in LTE connectivity will provide significantly faster speeds than other currently available LTE-equipped Windows 10 computers. To see how all of that works, we'll have to spend more time with these machines.

This first wave of Windows 10 ARM laptops are powered by the Snapdragon 835 processor and have the X16 LTE modem for connectivity. That's the same setup found in many Android phones released in 2017, including Samsung's Galaxy S8 and Google's Pixel 2. Qualcomm says that devices running the just-announced Snapdragon 845 processor and X20 modem will arrive next year.

Qualcomm is hosting its annual conference this week, where we expect to hear more about Snapdragon Windows 10 devices. Stay tuned for more.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


That is a fantastic recommendation.
Latitude series has always been reliable and Dell business warranty is very
nice, at least in my experience, and those are some specs that will do you
for quite some time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

There is a lot going on in here...
if you want a capable computer, the one I usually recommend to my students
is the Dell latitude 5500 With 512 GB SSD i7 16gb RAM. Boots fast and
performs well. Future proof as well.




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On Aug 25, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
wrote:

My 4th gen I7 4790K running at 4.0GHz is just as fast as my 8th gen I5
running at the same speed. Both have 16GB RAM and SSD's. You cant tell
whitch is whitch unless you check the system info.


On 8/25/2019 12:48 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same,
with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of the
same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th
generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score than
my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers,
especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if
someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may
be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference
between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K
witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating
although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have
a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to
see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still
have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the
background while other processes are going on.