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moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

That is a fantastic recommendation.
Latitude series has always been reliable and Dell business warranty is very
nice, at least in my experience, and those are some specs that will do you
for quite some time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

There is a lot going on in here...
if you want a capable computer, the one I usually recommend to my students
is the Dell latitude 5500 With 512 GB SSD i7 16gb RAM. Boots fast and
performs well. Future proof as well.




Feliciano
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com>
wrote:

My 4th gen I7 4790K running at 4.0GHz is just as fast as my 8th gen I5
running at the same speed. Both have 16GB RAM and SSD's. You cant tell
whitch is whitch unless you check the system info.


On 8/25/2019 12:48 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same,
with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of the
same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th
generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score than
my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers,
especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if
someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may
be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference
between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K
witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating
although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have
a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to
see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still
have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the
background while other processes are going on.








moderated Re: New computer specs

Feliciano G
 

There is a lot going on in here...
if you want a capable computer, the one I usually recommend to my students is the Dell latitude 5500 With 512 GB SSD i7 16gb RAM. Boots fast and performs well. Future proof as well.




Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:

My 4th gen I7 4790K running at 4.0GHz is just as fast as my 8th gen I5 running at the same speed. Both have 16GB RAM and SSD's. You cant tell whitch is whitch unless you check the system info.


On 8/25/2019 12:48 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of the same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score than my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers, especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.








moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

As suggested earlyier use the standard headset provided by the company with a earbud under it. The guy will hear the customer and jaws and the customer will only hear the guy not jaws. You will need a usb earbud and direct jaws to send audio to it and that is it.

On 8/25/2019 11:45 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate with
this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same side,
then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only other
option would be braille display for the individual when still being able to
hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is
looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate
that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to
sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it
will work, perhaps with any system.








moderated Re: New computer specs

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

My 4th gen I7 4790K running at 4.0GHz is just as fast as my 8th gen I5 running at the same speed. Both have 16GB RAM and SSD's. You cant tell whitch is whitch unless you check the system info.

On 8/25/2019 12:48 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of the same generation?  That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score than my 4th generation i5 desktop.  Both are still adequate performers, especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram.  I'd take an i9 if someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing  and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course.  Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Benchmarks tell an 8th of the story. In every day performance, it means nothing. Slow to one person may not be slow to another and that $500 extra spent on the i9 processor wouldn't be noticeable to anyone but a tech enthusiast or someone who does heavy processing work, and would make more heat, thus likely lessening the laptop's lifespan. This isn't so much the case in a desktop with adequate cooling, where these days stock clock speeds hover right around 5 ghz, which even in our rapidly changing computing era, will last for years and years and again, 99% of people don't take advantage of 20% much less 100% of the power of their processors.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

No. i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of
the same generation? That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th
generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score
than my 4th generation i5 desktop. Both are still adequate performers,
especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram. I'd take an i9 if
someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH




On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Chris Hill
 

No.  i9 is just higher than i7, the generation number is still the same, with all the newest ones starting out with 9's.


I wonder if an i9 in a laptop could even outrun an i5 in a desktop of the same generation?  That's the silly thing about all of this, my 7th generation i5 laptop was barely able to get a better passmark cpu score than my 4th generation i5 desktop.  Both are still adequate performers, especially running ssd hard drives and plenty of ram.  I'd take an i9 if someone were handing them out for free, but I wouldn't spend extra for one.


CH

On 8/25/2019 14:05, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.






moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Microsoft will eventually have to write its OS to work on ARM processors.
That is the processors that our phones and tablets use.
ARM processors don't come close to the capability of some of the processors mentioned in this thread, but they do a few tasks faster than these big Intel processors. ARM was developed to be minimal and fast.
The fact is, what most of people do requires very little processor power, and if your OS is written to work on ARM processors, it will be fast and efficient.
Linux and Android and IOS operate on these ARM processors and perform well doing the same tasks we all do with our desktop/laptop systems.
I think desktop/laptop systems are going to go to ARM processors as soon as MS gets its OS ready for this.
MS does have a developer version of W10 that will run on ARM, but it is not ready for consumer use yet.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Wood" <tcwood12@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


16 GB of ram is the new 8 these days and is well worth the bump in price and will be in the long term, too. An internet browser that used to take up a few hundred MB can now take upwards of 2, 3, and 4 gb depending on how many tabs are open. It's infuriating, if I'm honest. It seems like programmers are just slapping things together with little forethought of how it effects overall performance since, apparently, we have so many resources to give away these days. Who cares if it takes 500 mb of ram to open a simple chat program? You have 32 gb!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I'd be inclined to agree, but then, I do most of my computer usage with a headset these days, and have a dedicated speaker system that used to be attached to a desktop for when I'm at home, so I honestly forget what the audio quality of my current rig is. LOL Still, most users--even most JAWS users--could probably get by with somewhere around 8 GB of memory as long as they've got a decent processor. However, most users are probably also going to want to consider upgrading in a couple years, at least the RAM. The same hardware won't run the same apps in the same way in 5 years, no matter how many times you wipe the drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and
I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various
I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't
have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also
check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course.
Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of
ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Eh, not really. This laptop runs 8 GB and its only problem is the processor's 4+ years old. If you're not slapping VMware on the thing you'll do fine in most cases. Just slap another stick of memory in the thing in a year or two.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

16 GB of ram is the new 8 these days and is well worth the bump in price and will be in the long term, too. An internet browser that used to take up a few hundred MB can now take upwards of 2, 3, and 4 gb depending on how many tabs are open. It's infuriating, if I'm honest. It seems like programmers are just slapping things together with little forethought of how it effects overall performance since, apparently, we have so many resources to give away these days. Who cares if it takes 500 mb of ram to open a simple chat program? You have 32 gb!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I'd be inclined to agree, but then, I do most of my computer usage with a headset these days, and have a dedicated speaker system that used to be attached to a desktop for when I'm at home, so I honestly forget what the audio quality of my current rig is. LOL Still, most users--even most JAWS users--could probably get by with somewhere around 8 GB of memory as long as they've got a decent processor. However, most users are probably also going to want to consider upgrading in a couple years, at least the RAM. The same hardware won't run the same apps in the same way in 5 years, no matter how many times you wipe the drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and
I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various
I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't
have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also
check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course.
Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of
ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Speaking of windows fast startup, I have had nothing but problems with it on everything I've tried. From missing system tray icons to issues with speech, I can't recommend running away from it fast enough, myself.
Of course that is me and your mileage may vary. And again, your usage is the most important. What are you going to be using the machine for and how much impact will the drive have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You're not wrong, but that has its own stability issues. And if you don't have money to burn, that's not going to be an option--I haven't found a machine sporting that kind of setup for less than about $1500, and honestly, $1500 can probably buy you something smaller with more storage if storage is your end game.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

There is also Intel optane memory, which I have no experience with, but is supposed to bring ssd-like performance to mechanical drives over time by writing important files, such as boot files and often used programs, to said memory.
You can also get laptops with ssd's and mechanical drives in one, though they often times are bulkier and heavier, but sometimes that can be far from a bad thing especially if this is your primary machine. A beefier chassis usually equals better cooling and better heat dissipation, too, which usually means more longevity in the long run, since heat is the killer of most things in a computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Nah, i3's are terrible. There's a reason they're in the entry level PC's. If you just need a $400 laptop so mom can check Facebook, it works. If you want to actually use it, though, probably go bigger.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi,
No, there is an i9 processor out now.
The current 9th generation lineup for laptops as I understand it. There are i3 (4 cores, 4 threads) i5 (4 cores, 8 threads) i7 (depending on the variant of i7, either 4 cores, 8 threads or 6 core, 12 thread) and i9 (8 cores, 16 threads).
I would very much argue against i3 being quote on quote terrible. It has 4 true cores, the newer ones clock well over 4 ghz on their own, and they run cool and quiet. Back in the day they weren't all that special with 2 cores and 4 threads but now they give many CPUs a run for their money and aren't half bad.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

16 GB of ram is the new 8 these days and is well worth the bump in price and will be in the long term, too. An internet browser that used to take up a few hundred MB can now take upwards of 2, 3, and 4 gb depending on how many tabs are open. It's infuriating, if I'm honest. It seems like programmers are just slapping things together with little forethought of how it effects overall performance since, apparently, we have so many resources to give away these days. Who cares if it takes 500 mb of ram to open a simple chat program? You have 32 gb!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I'd be inclined to agree, but then, I do most of my computer usage with a headset these days, and have a dedicated speaker system that used to be attached to a desktop for when I'm at home, so I honestly forget what the audio quality of my current rig is. LOL Still, most users--even most JAWS users--could probably get by with somewhere around 8 GB of memory as long as they've got a decent processor. However, most users are probably also going to want to consider upgrading in a couple years, at least the RAM. The same hardware won't run the same apps in the same way in 5 years, no matter how many times you wipe the drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and
I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various
I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't
have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also
check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course.
Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of
ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

You're not wrong, but that has its own stability issues. And if you don't have money to burn, that's not going to be an option--I haven't found a machine sporting that kind of setup for less than about $1500, and honestly, $1500 can probably buy you something smaller with more storage if storage is your end game.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

There is also Intel optane memory, which I have no experience with, but is supposed to bring ssd-like performance to mechanical drives over time by writing important files, such as boot files and often used programs, to said memory.
You can also get laptops with ssd's and mechanical drives in one, though they often times are bulkier and heavier, but sometimes that can be far from a bad thing especially if this is your primary machine. A beefier chassis usually equals better cooling and better heat dissipation, too, which usually means more longevity in the long run, since heat is the killer of most things in a computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
No, there is an i9 processor out now.
The current 9th generation lineup for laptops as I understand it. There are i3 (4 cores, 4 threads) i5 (4 cores, 8 threads) i7 (depending on the variant of i7, either 4 cores, 8 threads or 6 core, 12 thread) and i9 (8 cores, 16 threads).
I would very much argue against i3 being quote on quote terrible. It has 4 true cores, the newer ones clock well over 4 ghz on their own, and they run cool and quiet. Back in the day they weren't all that special with 2 cores and 4 threads but now they give many CPUs a run for their money and aren't half bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

James Homuth
 

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

I'd be inclined to agree, but then, I do most of my computer usage with a headset these days, and have a dedicated speaker system that used to be attached to a desktop for when I'm at home, so I honestly forget what the audio quality of my current rig is. LOL Still, most users--even most JAWS users--could probably get by with somewhere around 8 GB of memory as long as they've got a decent processor. However, most users are probably also going to want to consider upgrading in a couple years, at least the RAM. The same hardware won't run the same apps in the same way in 5 years, no matter how many times you wipe the drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be
slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference
between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and
I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various
I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is
an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating
although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a
full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to
see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you
still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the
background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

There is also Intel optane memory, which I have no experience with, but is supposed to bring ssd-like performance to mechanical drives over time by writing important files, such as boot files and often used programs, to said memory.
You can also get laptops with ssd's and mechanical drives in one, though they often times are bulkier and heavier, but sometimes that can be far from a bad thing especially if this is your primary machine. A beefier chassis usually equals better cooling and better heat dissipation, too, which usually means more longevity in the long run, since heat is the killer of most things in a computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?

At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have one, in
case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or some other
shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a
person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works
beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end
can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix,
but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery,
that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate
with this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same
side, then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only
other option would be braille display for the individual when still
being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured
device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Incorrect. It's actually an I9 processor. I don't know why they're calling it 9th generation, but yeah there's new hardware in there. I haven't looked into it in detail because being real, I can't justify putting one in my machines just at the minute, but you're going to see more and more machines with them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@the-jdh.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

It is in desktop class. Notebooks simply don't have the cooling capabilities to take advantage of the turbo boost when all cores are in use - and single core performance from i7 to i9, while definitely there, for someone who is doing basic office tasks, email and web browsing just isn't going to notice that, and the cost to performance ratio isn't worth it (and neither is the heat). Video editing, on the other hand, or other CPU intensive tasks, go for it, as those 16 threads would make a difference in overall throughput.

Again, it all depends on what a user wants. I5's generally run cooler with less heat, get better batterylife and, in some instances, especially in the ultra low voltage chips, can slightly outperform their i7 counterparts (as notebookcheck demonstrates in the review I posted of the i5 ThinkBook).
In this case, though, Better to get a bit more power than you actually need if you plan on keeping this for 6 years (so an i7 would be worth that extra money, especially if it can keep itself cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.