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moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

You're not wrong, but that has its own stability issues. And if you don't have money to burn, that's not going to be an option--I haven't found a machine sporting that kind of setup for less than about $1500, and honestly, $1500 can probably buy you something smaller with more storage if storage is your end game.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

There is also Intel optane memory, which I have no experience with, but is supposed to bring ssd-like performance to mechanical drives over time by writing important files, such as boot files and often used programs, to said memory.
You can also get laptops with ssd's and mechanical drives in one, though they often times are bulkier and heavier, but sometimes that can be far from a bad thing especially if this is your primary machine. A beefier chassis usually equals better cooling and better heat dissipation, too, which usually means more longevity in the long run, since heat is the killer of most things in a computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
No, there is an i9 processor out now.
The current 9th generation lineup for laptops as I understand it. There are i3 (4 cores, 4 threads) i5 (4 cores, 8 threads) i7 (depending on the variant of i7, either 4 cores, 8 threads or 6 core, 12 thread) and i9 (8 cores, 16 threads).
I would very much argue against i3 being quote on quote terrible. It has 4 true cores, the newer ones clock well over 4 ghz on their own, and they run cool and quiet. Back in the day they weren't all that special with 2 cores and 4 threads but now they give many CPUs a run for their money and aren't half bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

James Homuth
 

Okay. So not an issue with your computer. Interesting. Without knowing more
about your setup I think I'd just be guessing at this point. But it's fairly
safe to say nothing you're actually doing is doing it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't
know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?
At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have
one, in case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or
some other shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone,
allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all.
it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving
end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the
stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a
lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they
communicate with this individual. If this is the result when both
speak on the same side, then the employer surely will have a problem
with this. The only other option would be braille display for the
individual when still being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a
configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

I'd be inclined to agree, but then, I do most of my computer usage with a headset these days, and have a dedicated speaker system that used to be attached to a desktop for when I'm at home, so I honestly forget what the audio quality of my current rig is. LOL Still, most users--even most JAWS users--could probably get by with somewhere around 8 GB of memory as long as they've got a decent processor. However, most users are probably also going to want to consider upgrading in a couple years, at least the RAM. The same hardware won't run the same apps in the same way in 5 years, no matter how many times you wipe the drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August-25-19 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be
slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference
between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and
I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various
I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is
an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating
although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a
full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to
see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you
still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the
background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

There is also Intel optane memory, which I have no experience with, but is supposed to bring ssd-like performance to mechanical drives over time by writing important files, such as boot files and often used programs, to said memory.
You can also get laptops with ssd's and mechanical drives in one, though they often times are bulkier and heavier, but sometimes that can be far from a bad thing especially if this is your primary machine. A beefier chassis usually equals better cooling and better heat dissipation, too, which usually means more longevity in the long run, since heat is the killer of most things in a computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

So far it happens on two machines, the lap top and the desktop. I don't know how to shield it. Would a toroid help?

At 02:19 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have one, in
case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or some other
shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a
person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works
beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end
can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix,
but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery,
that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate
with this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same
side, then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only
other option would be braille display for the individual when still
being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured
device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.













moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Incorrect. It's actually an I9 processor. I don't know why they're calling it 9th generation, but yeah there's new hardware in there. I haven't looked into it in detail because being real, I can't justify putting one in my machines just at the minute, but you're going to see more and more machines with them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3,
I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences
between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video
editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.







moderated Re: New computer specs

Glenn / Lenny
 

Performance is a relative term.
What sort of performance is being sought?
It's important to know where one is looking for improvements over their current system.
Whenever someone has asked me advice for buying a computer, my first question is, what are you going to be doing with it?
Gamers will benefit from a fast processor and performance video and a fast Internet connection, meaning the network card.
Others will benefit from a ton of storage. It may be good to have several internal large drives for storing media.
One thing here that has not been addressed, is the form factor of the computer being sought.
The keyboard may be tactilely bad, may not have needed keys for screenreader use, and the audio quality is too important.
I think these things are more important to look at than processor and video.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <james@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

It is in desktop class. Notebooks simply don't have the cooling capabilities to take advantage of the turbo boost when all cores are in use - and single core performance from i7 to i9, while definitely there, for someone who is doing basic office tasks, email and web browsing just isn't going to notice that, and the cost to performance ratio isn't worth it (and neither is the heat). Video editing, on the other hand, or other CPU intensive tasks, go for it, as those 16 threads would make a difference in overall throughput.

Again, it all depends on what a user wants. I5's generally run cooler with less heat, get better batterylife and, in some instances, especially in the ultra low voltage chips, can slightly outperform their i7 counterparts (as notebookcheck demonstrates in the review I posted of the i5 ThinkBook).
In this case, though, Better to get a bit more power than you actually need if you plan on keeping this for 6 years (so an i7 would be worth that extra money, especially if it can keep itself cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

Randy Barnett
 

OK, It is a 9th gen processor. But it will still have a I3, I5 or I7 CPU. It is very important you know which one you are getting as  a I3 is a terrible CPU for cheap PC's. and a I7 is more expensive and a I5 is just right. Of course if you have the money a I7 will give the best performance. if you will notice the difference in everyday use is another matter...

On 8/25/2019 12:05 PM, James Homuth wrote:
I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.






moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

James Homuth
 

Could be interference? I'd say try with another machine if you have one, in
case the audio input and power connectors are two close, or some other
shielding issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: August-25-19 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a
person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works
beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when
we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its
perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end
can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix,
but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery,
that would work.

Hmmmmmm.
At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate
with this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same
side, then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only
other option would be braille display for the individual when still
being able to hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be.
He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to
demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and
one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured
device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.








moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

That depends on your use case. If your laptop's going to be your primary machine, an SSD probably isn't the way to go unless you can pair it with a mechanical drive for storage. In my case, for instance, I'd outgrow the SSD's in most of the laptops in the price range I'm looking at in about a month just by virtue of the fact I only have one machine, and it comes with me to and from work. I can still get a 1 TB mechanical and not break the bank, and make up for the performance hickups in other ways--slightly faster processor, or more RAM, for example. SSD is great and all, but their prices still need to come way, way down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

We have put together a mixer which hears both JAWS and the phone, allowing a person to speak to the phone without hearing JAWS at all. it works beautifully with a lap top computer on battery. when we plug in the computer, though, the whole thing looses its perspective. You can make a phone call, but the guy on the receiving end can't hear it. I have no idea why plugging in destroys the stinkin' mix, but it sure as the world does. If he could just use a lap top on battery, that would work.

Hmmmmmm.

At 01:45 PM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
The concern is the caller being able to hear jaws when they communicate with
this individual. If this is the result when both speak on the same side,
then the employer surely will have a problem with this. The only other
option would be braille display for the individual when still being able to
hear the caller undisturbed.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is
looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate
that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to
sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it
will work, perhaps with any system.








moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hello,
The i9 is, in fact, not a typo, and is far ahead of its time. In a laptop cooling just isn't enough. In desktops not so much - but in the laptop form factor it is a 45 wat chip that has 8 cores and 16 threads. Intel is getting far too big for its britches since most Windows applications that we use on a daily basis are not optimized for multi core usage apart from video or audio editing.
That said, 16 GB of ram is beyond sufficient for someone who is simply doing office and web browsing tasks. In 6 years it may become equal to the 4 GB we have now, but generally with a fast NVME solid state drive you're going to do just fine regardless of i3, i5 or i7. An i5 is a nice compromise though and I'd certainly recommend at least that versus the i3. An i7 and mechanical drive is going to be a heck of a lot slower overall than an i3 with that fast ssd. These 8th and 9th generation Intel processors are already ridiculously fast and we're at an age when programs need to become optimized to take advantage of the power we have rather than the opposite.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August 25, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: RestoringtJaws access

Randy Barnett
 

You need the 26 digit authorization code from FS entered  before you can activate jaws.

Although you can go to FS Activate and see if you have any luck.

On 8/25/2019 5:46 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Chris:

He can do that, as long as he has keys on the sight, which can be used to activate JAWS.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: RestoringtJaws access


You shouldn't have to call them. If you have your serial number and all that good stuff, go over to fsactivate.com and you should be able to do what you need.



On 8/24/2019 22:39, Justin Mcdevitt wrote:

Sent from my iPhone hello Group,
Recently I had some issues with my PC which required a complete reinstallation of windows and the maintenance of other issues.
After bringing it home today I attempted to open Jaws which ended up being limited to a 40 minute trial mode. As I do not have my authorization number written down, I probably will not have access to Jaws until I make contact with freedom scientific this Monday.
In the meantime is there a way that I can access Jaws and itp’s  Full capacity.
I would appreciate any and all assistance.
Best, Justin




moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Randy Barnett
 

It's never a bother. :) I am here to help. Glad you got it worked out.

On 8/25/2019 6:49 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Oh, I just found it. Sorry to bother you. And thank you very much for your help.

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 9:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Thanks Randy.

 Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?

 

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 3:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel


moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

I9 is a newer chipset than I7. 9th generation, I believe, though I may be slightly off on the naming scheme. Reviews say the performance difference between the two is fairly significant, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: August-25-19 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing and
I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose.
Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz.
But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.



moderated Re: New computer specs

James Homuth
 

Eh, that's even less of a problem now if you're running Windows 10. Look up
"Fast Startup". Basically, "shut down" doesn't mean what it used to. Even if
you're running a mechanical drive if you want performance increases that'll
do it. That being said, if you need to restart your computer, turning it off
and back on again no longer does the trick unless that option's
disabled--you need to actually hit restart. To address the rest of your
point though, everything's relative. I haven't had to replace the mechanical
drive in this 4-year-old laptop yet. I did have to replace the drive in a
7-year-old desktop, and the replacement outlasted the desktop--it became an
external drive when the desktop gave up the ghost. On the other hand, your
SSD could fail tomorrow. The difference is when that goes, you're a lot more
pooched--the data recovery tricks of old won't work on it quite so well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August-25-19 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting 15
hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology from
Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to power off
while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and that sounds
exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same action as
applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys to remap a key
to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In that time
I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and only 2 of which
made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a laptop or computer in
general does not shut down, you will get a message popping up on screen from
your screen reader if you have it set to run at log on, telling you the
following programs are still running in the background and giving you the
option to shut down anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to
batterylife and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning
mechanical drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds
regardless what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to
get said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to check a
simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from sleep
happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they
often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It
seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15
hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card
in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and
maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it
booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew










moderated Re: New computer specs

Randy Barnett
 

More info on the Processor please: I am assuming I9 is a typo as I3, I5 and I7 are what I am used to seeing. Then there are differences between various I5 processors. I7 is for 3D video games and video editing  and I5 is more for business PC's like what we do. I have a 8th gen I5 K witch is an unlocked processor that can be ran at any speed I choose. Currently I am running it at 4.0GHz. I have ran it as high as 4.3GHz. But without water cooling in this rig I was worried about overheating although I didn't see any.

I3 is for cheap entry level PC's. Dont bother with them.

On 8/24/2019 10:33 PM, David Ingram wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
Sent: Aug 24, 2019 11:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New computer specs

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew




Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.


moderated Re: New computer specs

Jason White
 

The reviews at notebookcheck.net appear to be thorough and informed. It's a good site for anyone contemplating a new laptop.

A screen reader such as JAWS inevitably consumes CPU time and memory resources. If the computer has more capacity than you need (which I would recommend - unless you're planning another purchase in the next three years), then this should raise any problems.

If it fits your budget, a laptop with an NVM Express SSD would be worth investigating. These are, as I understand it, considerably faster than drives connected via a traditional SATA interface. My current Windows laptop has NVM-Express.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi Andrew,
Sorry for all of the messages from me in particular, but here is an example of a notebookcheck review of, in this case, the Think Book 13s.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkBook-13s-Laptop-Review-A-Business-
Laptop-but-no-TrackPoint.428235.0.html
Note that each part of the review is separated by headings. There are a few images which you can arrow past in these reviews, but overall you will get an idea.
I hope this helps in your research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Don't worry about it. We are on the same page.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hello David,
I'm still struggling to understand your point.
They do use it on a daily basis for youtube, Microsoft word/excel, and some music listening. Yet they don't store anything of value on the internal hard drive - their music is streamed via spotify (which, by the way, is accessible with jaws). My point being that use cases are different. I was in no way implying that he shouldn't get a larger drive, but what you or I may do may be far different than what someone else does, and therefore their storage needs might be different. Remember that daily web browsing and light office work doesn't add up to much space used in the grand scheme of things and even in the last 10 years that has hardly changed a bit. A bigger drive doesn't translate to faster speeds, either. Though with the prices of solid state drives decreasing I don't see a problem with 512 gb if you can afford it - years ago that could have made the price skyrocket, not so much anymore.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew