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Re: having trouble with a web page
Jed,
No snark whatsoever is intended with what follows. Try a different web browser (pick any Chromium based one), screen reader, or both. What I get when I hit the state box is a bit odd, but if you begin typing out the whole state name the correct one appears as soon as you've given enough characters to make it distinct. For example, typing V shows Virginia, Vermont, and Virgin Islands. Add the letter I and Vermont disappears, add the "rgini" and you only have Virginia as the choice. When I hit Enter it fills in Virginia and says something like "Virginia link" or similar. This thing is not a conventional combo box. It is a new thing that I have never encountered before, and I actually like it far better than a conventional combo box. I cannot figure out why the list of options is not being read as one arrows down through them, but either this new object is not exposing the text to the screen reader or screen readers have not yet been updated to deal with this new web object. I was using NVDA and Brave (which is Chromium-based) for my quick test. If you need to fill in Rhode Island then all you need to do is type the letter R and hit Enter. The screen reader should tell you that Rhode Island now appears in the state box. Over time I have certainly learned that different browsers and different screen readers may "play better" with specific web pages. When push comes to shove I change one variable at a time, typically changing the browser first, and the screen reader second. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: having trouble with a web page
dennis
i'm lost on that one.
On 8/24/2019 5:48 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
so when i am going through this form, after the zipcode, there is an edit box, after that, it says black down pointing small triangle. What the hell is that supposed to mean. so i depress the enter key. Then as i am arrowing through the states, they just look like words. So i get to rhode island and depress the enter key. Then it says starting microsoft edge. Why would it launch edge, i'm not even running edge, i'm running firefox. What am i missing here guys. I have to get this form filled out this weekend. Cheers, Jed On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone would design a web page like this. When i hit the enter button on the edit box, it makes like a beep sound like it's going into forms mode. Then when i hit alt and down arrow, it sounds like it's coming out off forms mode. I arrow down to Rhode Island, depress the enter key, and it keeps telling me something about edge, like it's launching the edge web browser. Now i'm really confused. Any help guys? On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@...> wrote:after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then just down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using latest jaws and waterfox. hope this helps. On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:Hey guys So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue with their web page. So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes the way they are supposed to. Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the state, cause i can't submit the form. https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk-- Dennis Cornelison [image] Virus-free. www.avast.com --
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Re: having trouble with a web page
Jed Barton
so when i am going through this form, after the zipcode, there is an
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edit box, after that, it says black down pointing small triangle. What the hell is that supposed to mean. so i depress the enter key. Then as i am arrowing through the states, they just look like words. So i get to rhode island and depress the enter key. Then it says starting microsoft edge. Why would it launch edge, i'm not even running edge, i'm running firefox. What am i missing here guys. I have to get this form filled out this weekend. Cheers, Jed
On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@jedbarton.com> wrote:
so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone
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Re: having trouble with a web page
Jed Barton
so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone
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would design a web page like this. When i hit the enter button on the edit box, it makes like a beep sound like it's going into forms mode. Then when i hit alt and down arrow, it sounds like it's coming out off forms mode. I arrow down to Rhode Island, depress the enter key, and it keeps telling me something about edge, like it's launching the edge web browser. Now i'm really confused. Any help guys?
On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@jedbarton.com> wrote:
ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox
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Re: having trouble with a web page
Jed Barton
ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox
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On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@gmail.com> wrote:
after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms
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Re: having trouble with a web page
dennis
after it says state there is a blank
line. press enter to activate forms mode. press alt plus down
arrow like you would open a dialog box. then just down and up
arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using latest
jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.
On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue with their web page. So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes the way they are supposed to. Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the state, cause i can't submit the form. https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk --
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Re: having trouble with a web page
Joseph Hudson
Hi Jed, the states and jobs are split I'm going to Collins, so you have to interact with the column in that state jobs as you want. Does that help you any? There's no pop up box or anything.
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Jed Barton <jed@jedbarton.com> wrote:
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having trouble with a web page
Jed Barton
Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue with their web page. So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes the way they are supposed to. Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the state, cause i can't submit the form. https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Dave Durber
Hello Chris:
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As I said in my previous email, the hard drive is over 5 years old, which is why I have decided to get a new one, probably, a Western Digital black. Thanks again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS You might also want to check the drive periodically with smartmontools
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Mike B
Try checking your, Say All, settings in both the
Settings Center and Jaws quick settings, Insert + V, while in any
application.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly Greetings, Mike.
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your
mail.
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a
comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem
does not happen when reading line by line.
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai From: Mike
B
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers
properly Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in the application / program & skip step #2. If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below. 1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard. 2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications. 3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open. 4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open. Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation. 5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options. Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer. 6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer. 7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked. 8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked. 9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up. ----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
To: JFW Group
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before
& after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading
7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading
it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad,
Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this
problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before &
after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards
Mr. Sameer
Latey Mulund, Mumbai
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Sameer
I am using Eloquence.
I will try with the Vocaliser voices.
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers
properly Which synthesizer are you using?
I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom. I wrote out several numbers in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All. I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read. They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand. With a dollar sign it speaks dollars. Again, this was in a word document using say all.
Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others. For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019. This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…
Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Sameer
Greetings, Mike.
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.
Regards Mr.
Sameer Latey
From: Mike B Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the
following:
----- Original Message ----- From: Sameer To: JFW Group Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards Mr.
Sameer Latey
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
John Covici
You might also want to check the drive periodically with smartmontools
and if the reallocated sectors are anything but 0, get a new drive. On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:51:48 -0400, Dave Durber wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: Unable to move into different email folders
Don Walls
Brian, thanks very much for your swift and helpful reply. Much
appreciated!
Don
From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to move into different email
folders Don, Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this: 1. Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there. The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end. 2. Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again. You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again. There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that. -- Brian
- Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build
18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
khalfan bin dhaher <khalfan.bindhaher@...>
I love this group and how everyone is active and kind to us. Hope this continues.
Regards. Khalfan.
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Dave Durber
Hello Chris:
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I just checked the hard drives serial number, on the Western Digital web site, and discovered, that the drive is over five years old, it has served me well. So, off to hard drive heaven it goes. I have decided to order a 3 TB hard drive, which is the same size as the external drive which has the data recovered from the defective drive. When it comes, I will use Image for Windows to copy the partitions stored on the external hard drive to the new internal hard drive, which will save time in initializing, partitioning, formatting and then copying the data.
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From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@earthlink.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
Richard Turner
You said, “This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.”
In fact, David had warned that he was going to take down the list if the behavior continued at least two times that I recall, but kept it going for the sake of those who needed it. People pushed him over the edge. I will not continue this thread.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same. In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree. It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Tyler, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
David & his pack of dogs
This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same. In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree. It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Tyler, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Richard Turner
Which synthesizer are you using?
I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom. I wrote out several numbers in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All. I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read. They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand. With a dollar sign it speaks dollars. Again, this was in a word document using say all.
Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others. For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019. This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…
Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Greetings, Mike.
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.
Regards Mr. Sameer Latey
From: Mike B Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the following:
----- Original Message ----- From: Sameer To: JFW Group Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards Mr. Sameer Latey
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Re: Unable to move into different email folders
Don,
Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this: 1. Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there. The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end. 2. Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again. You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again. There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Chris Hill
Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.
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Good luck. CH
On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John
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