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Re: Unable to move into different email folders
Don Walls
Brian, thanks very much for your swift and helpful reply. Much
appreciated!
Don
From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to move into different email
folders Don, Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this: 1. Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there. The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end. 2. Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again. You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again. There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that. -- Brian
- Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build
18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
khalfan bin dhaher <khalfan.bindhaher@...>
I love this group and how everyone is active and kind to us. Hope this continues.
Regards. Khalfan.
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Dave Durber
Hello Chris:
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I just checked the hard drives serial number, on the Western Digital web site, and discovered, that the drive is over five years old, it has served me well. So, off to hard drive heaven it goes. I have decided to order a 3 TB hard drive, which is the same size as the external drive which has the data recovered from the defective drive. When it comes, I will use Image for Windows to copy the partitions stored on the external hard drive to the new internal hard drive, which will save time in initializing, partitioning, formatting and then copying the data.
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From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@earthlink.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
Richard Turner
You said, “This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.”
In fact, David had warned that he was going to take down the list if the behavior continued at least two times that I recall, but kept it going for the sake of those who needed it. People pushed him over the edge. I will not continue this thread.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same. In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree. It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Tyler, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: how does one join the new JAWS list
David & his pack of dogs
This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same. In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree. It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Tyler, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Richard Turner
Which synthesizer are you using?
I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom. I wrote out several numbers in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All. I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read. They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand. With a dollar sign it speaks dollars. Again, this was in a word document using say all.
Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others. For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019. This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…
Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Greetings, Mike.
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.
Regards Mr. Sameer Latey
From: Mike B Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the following:
----- Original Message ----- From: Sameer To: JFW Group Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards Mr. Sameer Latey
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Re: Unable to move into different email folders
Don,
Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this: 1. Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there. The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end. 2. Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again. You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again. There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Chris Hill
Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.
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Good luck. CH
On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John
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Unable to move into different email folders
Don Walls
This
past week my server was disrupted and customers did not have access to send or
receive emails. Mine was out for almost eight days. Near the end of
the disruption, a tech support person working for my server guided me through
how to get to emails via website. I found I could arrow up and down the
lengthy list of new emails but very slowly. I had trouble opening an
email, then the process seemed to freeze. I may have changed a setting as
I floundered. Now, if I wish to arrow down from my In folder to the
Deleted folder or another, it seems that JAWS won’t enter the desired
folder. If I close my Windows Live Mail, then bring it up again, I’m
sitting in the desired folder and can move around it and enter emails. If
I then try to arrow up to my In folder, again I can’t get into it without
closing WLM and then bringing it up again. Any suggestions on how I can
correct this problem? Thanks
for any help. Don
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Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS
Dave Durber
Hello John
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Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like to thank others on this list for their suggestions. It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question. Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house. Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I tried it before my friend came to my house. Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately, there was no data in those sectors. When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software. As I had all the data from the drive stored on another drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it was in when I purchased it. The function completed successfully, with no errors. Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive. I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It came back with no errors. I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch again, and again, the program came back with no errors. I restored the data from the backup drive to the original drive. So, everything is back to normal. I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.
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From: "John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Sameer
Greetings, Mike.
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your
mail.
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a
comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem
does not happen when reading line by line.
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
From: Mike
B
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers
properly Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in the application / program & skip step #2. If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below. 1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard. 2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications. 3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open. 4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open. Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation. 5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options. Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer. 6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer. 7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked. 8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked. 9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up. ----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
To: JFW Group
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before
& after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading
7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading
it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad,
Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this
problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before &
after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards
Mr. Sameer
Latey Mulund, Mumbai
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Error 6 (Feature is not licensed to run on this machine) Appears After Several Hours
Annabelle Susan Morison
At the same time, my
DVD/CD ROM drive shuts off and disappears from Device Manager, Disk Management,
and My Computer. Could it be that I need to reset the Bios on my computer? I'm
pretty certain it was caused by an operating system update in Windows 7. How do
I reset the Bios if I can't see?
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Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Mike B
Howdy Mr. Latey,
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in the application / program & skip step #2. If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below. 1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard. 2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications. 3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open. 4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open. Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation. 5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options. Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer. 6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer. 7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked. 8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked. 9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
To: JFW
Group
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before
& after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading
7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading
it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad,
Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this
problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before &
after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards
Mr. Sameer
Latey Mulund, Mumbai
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Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
fenderwal@...
Hi, Dave.
Sentimental lug that I am, I still have my first computer with
Vocal-Eyes 3.0 and the Sounding Board sound card.
Sounding Board has an awesome feature that not only allows me
to set the punctuation pause length, but the interval between words. When I used
V-E, I was able to crank the voice rate waaaay up without words smearing
together.
Flor
Lynch has given me the idea of experimenting with different punctuation
marks and possibly adding spaces in the dictionary entries. Meanwhile, Vocalizer
Expressive's Nathan and Zowie at least pause on punctuation. Looks like they
break hard for links and hallucinations as well, though. I'm a big fan of
Eloquence, so I'll not give it up without trying anything and
everything.
Best,
Lou
N.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:39 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. Hello there:
In JAWS for DOS, there was a feature, where you
could set a parameter for comma, period/full stop, Exclamation mark,
etc. By increasing or decreasing the parameter for each punctuation symbol
you could vary the pause length for each symbol, thus giving you better
structure to the text you were reading.
I have often asked why this feature has never
been included in JAWS for Windows.
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Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Dave Durber
Hello there:
In JAWS for DOS, there was a feature, where you
could set a parameter for comma, period/full stop, Exclamation mark,
etc. By increasing or decreasing the parameter for each punctuation symbol
you could vary the pause length for each symbol, thus giving you better
structure to the text you were reading.
I have often asked why this feature has never
been included in JAWS for Windows.
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JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
Sameer
Dear Listers,
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before
& after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading
7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading
it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad,
Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this
problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before &
after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
Regards
Mr. Sameer
Latey Mulund, Mumbai
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Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Flor Lynch
I wish I had known that in 1998 when I was doing computer typing speed tests. <grin>.
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From: JM Casey Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi. At the risk of going a bit off-topic for the list -- how long ago was your keyboarding class? The reason people used to put two spaces after periods had to do with manual typewriters and the "monospace" font style they used. Every character took up exactly the same amount of horizontal space on a piece of paper, so as a result, it could sometimes be difficult to tell there was a space at all at the end of some sentences unless the typist used two of them. This has changed since the advent of electric typewriters, and, indeed, computers, with their myriad numbers of proportional font styles. In fact though, the so-called two space rule you would have learned in keyboarding class was introduced *only* because of the typewriter. You would not have seen a professionally typeset book done this way. The tone is maybe a little bit strident, but this article from Slate explains the history of it all pretty well. https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/two-spaces-after-a-period-why-you-shoul d-never-ever-do-it.html -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: August 19, 2019 4:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could make some difference. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: JM Casey Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be. Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and those rules should approximate actual grammar rules. What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period. Eloquence is about right, for me. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong? I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too. -------- Original Message -------- From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA issue? if not, what can I do about it? -------- Original Message -------- From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io [mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope. I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft voices. From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of fenderwal@sbcglobal.net<mailto:fenderwal@sbcglobal.net> Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io> Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi, folks. I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles. Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question. Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals? Thank you in advance for your help, Lou N. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Flor Lynch
You don't have to do that any more. The reason has to do with there now being proportional fonts and proportional spacing, whereas in the past, different types had differently proportioned spacing. . Leaving one space between sentences is more efficient, and the two spaces doesn't make any difference to JAWS' pausing or not pausing between sentences.
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There is a pause with Eloquence between properly constructed sentences; but the pause is very small - and that's a matter of opinion or reader/listener's judgment.
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From: Marty Hutchings Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could make some difference. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: JM Casey Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be. Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and those rules should approximate actual grammar rules. What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period. Eloquence is about right, for me. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong? I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too. -------- Original Message -------- From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA issue? if not, what can I do about it? -------- Original Message -------- From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io [mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope. I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question. I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft voices. From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of fenderwal@sbcglobal.net<mailto:fenderwal@sbcglobal.net> Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io> Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi, folks. I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles. Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question. Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals? Thank you in advance for your help, Lou N. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 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Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Flor Lynch
Several Pro’s demonstrating JAWS like to have punctuation set to ALL in
the
JAWS general settings, so that every coma, semicolon, period, exclamation
mark,
question mark, ... you get the drift ... is spoken aloud. This is to me very
artificial: but it does make JAWS Eloquence etc speak the punctuation marks,
and
therefore ‘pause’ between phrases.
Another avenue to explore is the Customize Punctuation dialogue, where
you
can set JAWS to SILENCE the speaking of ‘None, Some, Most, All’ occurrences
of a
punctuation mark. And the most drastic solution I can think of is to set
JAWS to
read ALL Punctuation, but then make JAWS dictionary replacements for your
None
silencing of punctuation entries you have set, replacing them
with
SPACE. (You can enter the Customize Punctuation Dialogue per Application
Quick
Settings or Default Quick Settings, then Search for ‘'Customize in the Edit
field. It’ll be one of 5 results.
Maybe one could make all entries be treated like the semicolon?
I
recall reading somewhere that there’s a longer pauase there than at most
other
punctuation marks?
From:
Mike
B
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation
question. Hi Lou,
Here are a couple of things you can try to
see
if they help. It's the same setting change, but 1 changes the setting
per
application and the other makes the say all change across all
applications.
For an individual application: 1. While in the application / program press,
Insert + V, to open quick settings.
2. Navigate to the, Say All options, and
right
arrow to open if closed.
3. Arrow down to, Say all reads by..., and
here
you press the spacebar to toggle through your choices. Below are your
choices.
Line without pauses
1 of 4 Line with pauses 2 of 4 Sentence 3 of 4 Paragraph 4 of 4 4. After making your selection tab to, Okay, press enter to save and
close.
For all applications:
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard. B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down, to Settings Center, & press enter. With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the Settings Center Default All Applications. 2. Down arrow to, Say All options, and right
arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 1 time and you will find the
same
thing as in step# 3 from above, so use the steps from above to make
changes. If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar,
tab
to, Okay, press enter to save and close.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go
dodgers! I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: fenderwal@...
To: jfw@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:04 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question. Hi,
folks.
I decided to get
serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few
puzzles.
Here is one. I
noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past
what I
consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes,
I
was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries,
thereby
increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence
voice,
however. To my question.
Is there a
setting
in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?
Thank you in
advance
for your help,
Lou
N.
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Re: Changing Jaws Key
Randy Barnett
Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for
the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key
Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you
get the key you want for the Jaws key.
On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:
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