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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David & his pack of dogs
 

This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.  In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree.  It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.                 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

Tyler,

            You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

             This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.   This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

              Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

              There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.   This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.   It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Richard Turner
 

Which synthesizer are you using?

 

I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom.

I wrote out several numbers  in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All.

I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read.  They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand.  With a dollar sign it speaks dollars.

Again, this was in a word document using say all.

 

Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others.

For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019.  This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…

 

Richard

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Greetings, Mike.

 

I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.

 

Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

Howdy Mr. Latey,

 

Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sameer

To: JFW Group

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM

Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Dear Listers,

 

When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.

 

Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.

 

Thanking all in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai


moderated Re: Unable to move into different email folders

 

Don,

             Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this:

1.  Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there.  The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end.

2.  Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again.   You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again.   There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS

Chris Hill
 

Hello.  Sounds like you did the right things, except for one.  If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again.  Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace.  I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours.  I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again.  Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable.  I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup.  That was the true fix to the problem.


Good luck.


CH

On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John

Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like to thank others on this list for their suggestions.

It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question.

Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive  and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house.

Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I tried it before my friend came to my house.

Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately, there was no data in those sectors.

When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software.

As I had all the data from the drive stored on another drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it was in when I purchased it. The function completed successfully, with no errors.

Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive.

I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It came back with no errors.

I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch again, and again, the program came back with no errors.

I restored the data from the backup drive to the original drive. So, everything is back to normal.

I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
Also, a great utility for disk repair is spinwrite at www.grc.com.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:00:21 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Everyone:

I have a system running Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT, which I
intend upgrading to Windows 10 when I get a new Motherboard for
it. I have JAWS 2018 installed on it. In addition to the CD-DVD
ROM, it has a 120 GB SSD, which is the system drive, and 2 1 TB
Hdd Drives, which ar F and G.

Yesterday, when I started the system, I tried to log onto drive
g. Windows reported a drive error. Of course, being Windows, the
operating system did not tell me what type of error was affecting
the drive, only that Windows could not access it.

I ran CMD, and in the DOS shell window, I used CHKDSK with the /f
switch. CHKDSK, reported that it could not attempt to scan the
drive because of a drive error and closed itself and returned me
to the DOS Shell window.

My question is, is anyone on this list, using a good disk repair
utility, which is accessible using JAWS
At  present, I have no idea, as to whether the problem is with
the partition, its format or the problem is with the files which
hold the information about the data stored on the drive.

Any Suggestions please.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber



--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

        John Covici wb2una
        covici@...




moderated Unable to move into different email folders

Don Walls
 

This past week my server was disrupted and customers did not have access to send or receive emails.  Mine was out for almost eight days.  Near the end of the disruption, a tech support person working for my server guided me through how to get to emails via website.  I found I could arrow up and down the lengthy list of new emails but very slowly.  I had trouble opening an email, then the process seemed to freeze.  I may have changed a setting as I floundered.  Now, if I wish to arrow down from my In folder to the Deleted folder or another, it seems that JAWS won’t enter the desired folder.  If I close my Windows Live Mail, then bring it up again, I’m sitting in the desired folder and can move around it and enter emails.  If I then try to arrow up to my In folder, again I can’t get into it without closing WLM and then bringing it up again.  Any suggestions on how I can correct this problem?
 
Thanks for any help.
 
Don


moderated Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS

Dave Durber
 

Hello John

Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like to thank others on this list for their suggestions.

It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question.

Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house.

Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I tried it before my friend came to my house.

Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately, there was no data in those sectors.

When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software.

As I had all the data from the drive stored on another drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it was in when I purchased it. The function completed successfully, with no errors.

Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive.

I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It came back with no errors.

I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch again, and again, the program came back with no errors.

I restored the data from the backup drive to the original drive. So, everything is back to normal.

I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
Also, a great utility for disk repair is spinwrite at www.grc.com.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:00:21 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Everyone:

I have a system running Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT, which I
intend upgrading to Windows 10 when I get a new Motherboard for
it. I have JAWS 2018 installed on it. In addition to the CD-DVD
ROM, it has a 120 GB SSD, which is the system drive, and 2 1 TB
Hdd Drives, which ar F and G.

Yesterday, when I started the system, I tried to log onto drive
g. Windows reported a drive error. Of course, being Windows, the
operating system did not tell me what type of error was affecting
the drive, only that Windows could not access it.

I ran CMD, and in the DOS shell window, I used CHKDSK with the /f
switch. CHKDSK, reported that it could not attempt to scan the
drive because of a drive error and closed itself and returned me
to the DOS Shell window.

My question is, is anyone on this list, using a good disk repair
utility, which is accessible using JAWS
At present, I have no idea, as to whether the problem is with
the partition, its format or the problem is with the files which
hold the information about the data stored on the drive.

Any Suggestions please.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber



--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Sameer
 

 
Greetings, Mike.
 
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.
 
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
 
Howdy Mr. Latey,
 
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
To: JFW Group
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
 
 
Dear Listers,
 
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
 
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
 
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
 
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai


moderated Error 6 (Feature is not licensed to run on this machine) Appears After Several Hours

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

At the same time, my DVD/CD ROM drive shuts off and disappears from Device Manager, Disk Management, and My Computer. Could it be that I need to reset the Bios on my computer? I'm pretty certain it was caused by an operating system update in Windows 7. How do I reset the Bios if I can't see?


moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Mike B
 

Howdy Mr. Latey,
 
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 
Dear Listers,
 
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
 
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
 
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
 
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai


moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

fenderwal@...
 

Hi, Dave.
 
Sentimental lug that I am, I still have my first computer with Vocal-Eyes 3.0 and the Sounding Board sound card.
 
Sounding Board has an awesome feature that not only allows me to set the punctuation pause length, but the interval between words. When I used V-E, I was able to crank the voice rate waaaay up without words smearing together.
 
Flor Lynch has given me the idea of experimenting with different punctuation marks and possibly adding spaces in the dictionary entries. Meanwhile, Vocalizer Expressive's Nathan and Zowie at least pause on punctuation. Looks like they break hard for links and hallucinations as well, though. I'm a big fan of Eloquence, so I'll not give it up without trying anything and everything.
 
Best,
Lou N.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hello there:
 
In JAWS for DOS, there was a feature, where you could set a parameter for comma, period/full stop, Exclamation mark, etc. By increasing or decreasing the parameter for each punctuation symbol you could vary the pause length for each symbol, thus giving you better structure to the text you were reading.
 
I have often asked why this feature has never been included in JAWS for Windows. 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 12:04 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.
 
I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles.
 
Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.
 
Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?
 
Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.


moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Dave Durber
 

Hello there:
 
In JAWS for DOS, there was a feature, where you could set a parameter for comma, period/full stop, Exclamation mark, etc. By increasing or decreasing the parameter for each punctuation symbol you could vary the pause length for each symbol, thus giving you better structure to the text you were reading.
 
I have often asked why this feature has never been included in JAWS for Windows. 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 12:04 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.
 
I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles.
 
Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.
 
Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?
 
Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.


moderated JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Sameer
 

 
Dear Listers,
 
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
 
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
 
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
 
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai


moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

I wish I had known that in 1998 when I was doing computer typing speed tests. <grin>.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi.

At the risk of going a bit off-topic for the list -- how long ago was your
keyboarding class?
The reason people used to put two spaces after periods had to do with manual
typewriters and the "monospace" font style they used. Every character took
up exactly the same amount of horizontal space on a piece of paper, so as a
result, it could sometimes be difficult to tell there was a space at all at
the end of some sentences unless the typist used two of them. This has
changed since the advent of electric typewriters, and, indeed, computers,
with their myriad numbers of proportional font styles. In fact though, the
so-called two space rule you would have learned in keyboarding class was
introduced *only* because of the typewriter. You would not have seen a
professionally typeset book done this way.

The tone is maybe a little bit strident, but this article from Slate
explains the history of it all pretty well.
https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/two-spaces-after-a-period-why-you-shoul
d-never-ever-do-it.html


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: August 19, 2019 4:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a
period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in
things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could
make some difference.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that
injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be.

Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital
letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and
those rules should approximate actual grammar rules.

What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using
JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't
guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like
a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their
default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period.
Eloquence is about right, for me.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a
period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this
is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why
does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period
and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong?

I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG
with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there
isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't
make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA
issue? if not, what can I do about it?





-------- Original Message --------
From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
[mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an
acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is
no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find
one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope.
I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So
some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core
voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between
both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in
a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has
anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this
isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft
voices.


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
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Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.

I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting
discoveries, and, a few puzzles.

Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of
rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals.
With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr
dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not
work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.

Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?

Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.



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moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

You don't have to do that any more. The reason has to do with there now being proportional fonts and proportional spacing, whereas in the past, different types had differently proportioned spacing. . Leaving one space between sentences is more efficient, and the two spaces doesn't make any difference to JAWS' pausing or not pausing between sentences.

There is a pause with Eloquence between properly constructed sentences; but the pause is very small - and that's a matter of opinion or reader/listener's judgment.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a
period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in
things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could
make some difference.



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in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
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-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that
injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be.

Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital
letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and
those rules should approximate actual grammar rules.

What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using
JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't
guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like
a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their
default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period.
Eloquence is about right, for me.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a
period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this
is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why
does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period
and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong?

I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG
with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there
isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't
make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA
issue? if not, what can I do about it?





-------- Original Message --------
From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
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To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an
acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is
no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find
one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope.
I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So
some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core
voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between
both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in
a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has
anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this
isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft
voices.


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
fenderwal@...<mailto:fenderwal@...>
Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.

I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting
discoveries, and, a few puzzles.

Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of
rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals.
With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr
dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not
work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.

Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?

Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.



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moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

Several Pro’s demonstrating JAWS like to have punctuation set to ALL in the JAWS general settings, so that every coma, semicolon, period, exclamation mark, question mark, ... you get the drift ... is spoken aloud. This is to me very artificial: but it does make JAWS Eloquence etc speak the punctuation marks, and therefore ‘pause’ between phrases.
 
Another avenue to explore is the Customize Punctuation dialogue, where you can set JAWS to SILENCE the speaking of ‘None, Some, Most, All’ occurrences of a punctuation mark. And the most drastic solution I can think of is to set JAWS to read ALL Punctuation, but then make JAWS dictionary replacements for your None silencing of punctuation  entries you have set, replacing them with SPACE. (You can enter the Customize Punctuation Dialogue per Application Quick Settings or Default Quick Settings, then Search for ‘'Customize in the Edit field. It’ll be one of 5 results.
 
Maybe one could make all entries be treated like the semicolon? I recall reading somewhere that there’s a longer pauase there than at most other punctuation marks?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Hi Lou,
 
Here are a couple of things you can try to see if they help.  It's the same setting change, but 1 changes the setting per application and the other makes the say all change across all applications.

For an individual application:
1. While in the application / program press, Insert + V, to open quick settings.
2. Navigate to the, Say All options, and right arrow to open if closed.
3. Arrow down to, Say all reads by..., and here you press the spacebar to toggle through your choices.  Below are your choices.
 
Line without pauses
1 of 4
Line with pauses
2 of 4
Sentence
3 of 4
Paragraph
4 of 4
4. After making your selection tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.
 
For all applications:
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down, to Settings Center, & press enter.
With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the Settings Center Default All Applications.
2. Down arrow to, Say All options, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 1 time and you will find the same thing as in step# 3 from above, so use the steps from above to make changes.  If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:04 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.
 
Hi, folks.
 
I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles.
 
Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.
 
Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?
 
Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.


moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel


moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Mike B
 

Hi Robin,
 
I gave various ways of enabling / disabling the language detection only to show that there's more than 1 way.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

Mike,

I‘m curious why the instructions in Step 1 aren’t enough in your view.  When Bill White replied, he just had the first steps under Quick Settings.  It seems redundant to have to do change something in Quick Settings and also in Settings Center.  Do you find that doing it in one place doesn’t suffice? 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want to turn it off in an individual application:

Steps 1:

 

1. Open the application, invoke the, Insert + V, keystroke to open quick settings.

2. Navigate to, Language detect change, and uncheck this checkbox.

3. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.


Steps 2:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row.

2. Down arrow to, Text processing, right arrow to open, down arrow to, General, and right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, Detect languages and uncheck this checkbox.

4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Steps 3 for all applications:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open settings center  default all applications.

Now follow steps 2 thru 4 from above.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: jfw list

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 



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moderated Re: Language Detection Question

 

JAWS, much like Windows, often offers multiple ways to accomplish the same end.

It seems to me that Mike's sets of steps in Steps 1 and Steps 2 are to turn off automatic language detection in any single application.  There appear to be at least these two ways to do it, if not more.

The Steps 3 set is to turn it off globally, regardless of application.
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moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Van Lant, Robin
 

Mike,

I‘m curious why the instructions in Step 1 aren’t enough in your view.  When Bill White replied, he just had the first steps under Quick Settings.  It seems redundant to have to do change something in Quick Settings and also in Settings Center.  Do you find that doing it in one place doesn’t suffice? 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want to turn it off in an individual application:

Steps 1:

 

1. Open the application, invoke the, Insert + V, keystroke to open quick settings.

2. Navigate to, Language detect change, and uncheck this checkbox.

3. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.


Steps 2:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row.

2. Down arrow to, Text processing, right arrow to open, down arrow to, General, and right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, Detect languages and uncheck this checkbox.

4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Steps 3 for all applications:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open settings center  default all applications.

Now follow steps 2 thru 4 from above.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: jfw list

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 



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moderated Re: The List

Maria Campbell
 

That's a good thing.


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On 8/23/2019 1:26 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:

The list is sure quiet today.

 

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