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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:35 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I was browsing subjects, not content, which is my own fault.
Apology accepted.  I was shocked because "this is not you," that's for sure.

There's a reason that I included a rule elsewhere (that shall remain nameless) that reads, "Use threaded or conversation view in your e-mail client program or webmail and read through the entirety of a topic before replying.  It gets you completely up to speed and avoids a lot of repetition.  If you choose not to use threaded/conversation view, please take the time to read through all messages from the group that are in your inbox prior to adding any reply to the group.  It’s the only way you can be sure you’re up to speed on any topic when not using threaded/conversation view."

That used to be basic netiquette, specifically for e-mailing lists, that went without saying.   Alas, it doesn't anymore.
 
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moderated Changing Jaws Key

Zel Iscel
 

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Tyler Wood
 

Sorry. All I needed to know. I was browsing subjects, not content, which is my own fault.  I took ‘the list’ to mean this list and a question about subscribing, unsubscribing, etc, which happens quite often despite a footer at the bottom of every message pertaining to exactly that, so I ignored it.

 

Regardless I’ll be remaining here. No need for even more fragmentation.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

Tyler,

            You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

             This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.   This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

              Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

              There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.   This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.   It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.
 
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         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

cecropia64
 

amen to that.

On 8/22/2019 2:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is the first I???ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the
issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

Tyler,

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.?? ??This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.?? ??This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.?? ??It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.

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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:21 PM, Flor Lynch wrote:
As far as we are concerned, this list is staying put.
Indeed.  And I have never, even once, stated or implied otherwise.  Quite the contrary, in fact, while still trying to clarify what is actually going on.
 
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         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?
Tyler,

            You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

             This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.   This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

              Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

              There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.   This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.   It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Flor Lynch
 

Hi,
 
As far as we are concerned, this list is staying put. There’s another list (the jaws-users list) that closed two days ago, and a new one has been created to replace it. Those are the facts.
 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

I might be behind here, however I’m also curious why the list is being migrated? This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.

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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Gerald Levy
 

To be perfectly blunt, the guy who started the competing JFW-Users list seems to have a compulsion for creating new lists. He has created dozens of lists which have started with a lot of activity only to eventually fizzle out.  I agree that one list devoted to JAWS is plenty sufficient, but this guy has a huge ego, and thinks his JFW-Users list will somehow be better.  Right now, it is little more than a shout out group with new members introducing themselves.  When I created my own Blind Hearing Aid Users email list last year, I put a quick end to this nonsense before it could get out of hand.


Gerald

On 8/22/2019 2:08 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:
I agree. As far as I know, JAWS discussion is the purpose of this list. How many lists are needed for the same subject?




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From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Don H via Groups.Io [lmddh50=adams.net@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list? If I understand it the
FS staff doesn't monitor any of the lists so why not just promote and
use this list.

On 8/22/2019 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here. You
already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to
their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2Fjfw-users&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cc1ecba48d78b48b2d68a08d7272a49b4%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637020934884878849&amp;sdata=jrRGDIc4IY7fRnfKyqXvpMdStjxbSqrqxeByPNglq%2B0%3D&amp;reserved=0>, has been posted, by me, already and
also directions about how to search for any group you might want. That
group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found
immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to
do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions
specific to that group above. Doing searches is not rocket science and
should be a basic skill.

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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer





moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Tyler Wood
 

I might be behind here, however I’m also curious why the list is being migrated? This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 01:58 PM, Don H wrote:
OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list?
Nothing.   If I had my way it would simply become the single list on Groups.io for English-speaking users to seek assistance and information.   The amount of fragmentation in the blind technology arena is already too significant, in my opinion.

I will note that I was simply trying to answer the question as posed.   I would hope that "the refugees from the now defunct JAWS Users list" would find a home here rather than trying to re-create it, which will probably be a futile exercise if history is any indicator (and that's not a personal swipe at those who created it, but is based on what I've observed in situations such as this before).    Finding a new home among folks who already have a long established group covering the same territory simply makes the most sense.  And, without exception, I've found those groups that are "the surviving one(s)" welcome those displaced.

There's a part of me hoping that these very topics get closed, and closed very soon.
 
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         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I agree. As far as I know, JAWS discussion is the purpose of this list. How many lists are needed for the same subject?




________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Don H via Groups.Io [lmddh50=adams.net@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list? If I understand it the
FS staff doesn't monitor any of the lists so why not just promote and
use this list.

On 8/22/2019 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here. You
already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to
their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2Fjfw-users&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cc1ecba48d78b48b2d68a08d7272a49b4%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637020934884878849&amp;sdata=jrRGDIc4IY7fRnfKyqXvpMdStjxbSqrqxeByPNglq%2B0%3D&amp;reserved=0>, has been posted, by me, already and
also directions about how to search for any group you might want. That
group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found
immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to
do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions
specific to that group above. Doing searches is not rocket science and
should be a basic skill.

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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Don H
 

OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list? If I understand it the FS staff doesn't monitor any of the lists so why not just promote and use this list.

On 8/22/2019 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.
The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.
If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.

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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated how does one join the new JAWS list

Gaylen Kapperman
 

Gaylen Kapperman

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

Hi Pastor,

 

Yes I am.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: The List

 

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil

moderated Re: The List

Mike B
 

Hi Pastor,
 
Yes I am.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: The List

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil

moderated The List

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil

moderated Re: confused

cecropia64
 

roger that.?? thanks

On 8/22/2019 12:24 PM, Mike B wrote:
???
Hi Stew,
Mike Capell is the owner of the,
jfw-users@groups.io <mailto:jfw-users@groups.io>
list.
Take care.?? Mike.?? Sent from my iBarstool.?? Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* cecropia64 <mailto:cecropia64@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:53 AM
*Subject:* confused

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it
this list or another list.?? help!


stew



moderated Re: confused

Mike B
 


Hi Stew,
 
Mike Capell is the owner of the,
list.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:53 AM
Subject: confused

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it
this list or another list.?? help!


stew



moderated Re: confused

cecropia64
 

brian:


thank you.?? now that was a helpful answer to an innocent question.?? i appreciate you clearing it up for me.?? have a great one.


stew

On 8/22/2019 12:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is confusing.

This group, as in /The JAWS for Windows Support List/, is owned by James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge, been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm about to post this message to (James Homuth).?? If I'm wrong I am certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io, <mailto:jfw-users@groups.io,>??home page here, https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>??which includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.?? It came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling around in various topics here.?? It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in those other messages.
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Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: confused

 

I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is confusing.

This group, as in The JAWS for Windows Support List, is owned by James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge, been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm about to post this message to (James Homuth).  If I'm wrong I am certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io, home page here, https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, which includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.  It came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling around in various topics here.  It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in those other messages.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer