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moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 01:58 PM, Don H wrote:
OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list?
Nothing.   If I had my way it would simply become the single list on Groups.io for English-speaking users to seek assistance and information.   The amount of fragmentation in the blind technology arena is already too significant, in my opinion.

I will note that I was simply trying to answer the question as posed.   I would hope that "the refugees from the now defunct JAWS Users list" would find a home here rather than trying to re-create it, which will probably be a futile exercise if history is any indicator (and that's not a personal swipe at those who created it, but is based on what I've observed in situations such as this before).    Finding a new home among folks who already have a long established group covering the same territory simply makes the most sense.  And, without exception, I've found those groups that are "the surviving one(s)" welcome those displaced.

There's a part of me hoping that these very topics get closed, and closed very soon.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I agree. As far as I know, JAWS discussion is the purpose of this list. How many lists are needed for the same subject?




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From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Don H via Groups.Io [lmddh50=adams.net@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list? If I understand it the
FS staff doesn't monitor any of the lists so why not just promote and
use this list.

On 8/22/2019 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here. You
already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to
their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2Fg%2Fjfw-users&;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cc1ecba48d78b48b2d68a08d7272a49b4%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637020934884878849&amp;sdata=jrRGDIc4IY7fRnfKyqXvpMdStjxbSqrqxeByPNglq%2B0%3D&amp;reserved=0>, has been posted, by me, already and
also directions about how to search for any group you might want. That
group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found
immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to
do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions
specific to that group above. Doing searches is not rocket science and
should be a basic skill.

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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Don H
 

OK I have to ask, what is wrong with this list? If I understand it the FS staff doesn't monitor any of the lists so why not just promote and use this list.

On 8/22/2019 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.
The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.
If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

I honestly cannot believe that this question is being asked here.   You already know how to join a Groups.io group, send an e-mail message to their subscribe address.

The direct link to the new Jfw-Users group, jfw-users, has been posted, by me, already and also directions about how to search for any group you might want.  That group's addresses, like those of any Groups.io group, can be found immediately after the phrase "Group Email Addresses" on the home page.

If you are a member of any Groups.io group, you had ought to know how to do this already, but those are pretty much step-by-step instructions specific to that group above.  Doing searches is not rocket science and should be a basic skill.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated how does one join the new JAWS list

Gaylen Kapperman
 

Gaylen Kapperman

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

Hi Pastor,

 

Yes I am.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: The List

 

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: The List

Mike B.
 

Hi Pastor,
 
Yes I am.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: The List

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil


moderated The List

Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...>
 

Mike,

Are you a member of the new jaws list??

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: confused

cecropia64
 

roger that.?? thanks

On 8/22/2019 12:24 PM, Mike B wrote:
???
Hi Stew,
Mike Capell is the owner of the,
jfw-users@groups.io <mailto:jfw-users@groups.io>
list.
Take care.?? Mike.?? Sent from my iBarstool.?? Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* cecropia64 <mailto:cecropia64@att.net>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:53 AM
*Subject:* confused

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it
this list or another list.?? help!


stew




moderated Re: confused

Mike B.
 


Hi Stew,
 
Mike Capell is the owner of the,
list.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:53 AM
Subject: confused

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it
this list or another list.?? help!


stew




moderated Re: confused

cecropia64
 

brian:


thank you.?? now that was a helpful answer to an innocent question.?? i appreciate you clearing it up for me.?? have a great one.


stew

On 8/22/2019 12:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is confusing.

This group, as in /The JAWS for Windows Support List/, is owned by James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge, been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm about to post this message to (James Homuth).?? If I'm wrong I am certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io, <mailto:jfw-users@groups.io,>??home page here, https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>??which includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.?? It came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling around in various topics here.?? It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in those other messages.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: confused

 

I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is confusing.

This group, as in The JAWS for Windows Support List, is owned by James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge, been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm about to post this message to (James Homuth).  If I'm wrong I am certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io, home page here, https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, which includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.  It came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling around in various topics here.  It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in those other messages.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: confused

cecropia64
 

i only asked because there are so many different angles of basically the same issue that it just got confusing.?? i really don't care either but i just want to know?? what is going on.?? not a big deal just confusing.

On 8/22/2019 11:56 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Perhaps you should write to:??main+owner@jfw.groups.io
and ask.
I suspect Mike has been the owner of this list, but I'm not sure and also not interested enough to go find out.

HTH,


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:53 AM, cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> wrote:

???okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it this list or another list.?? help!


stew




moderated Re: confused

Richard Turner
 

Perhaps you should write to: main+owner@jfw.groups.io
and ask.
I suspect Mike has been the owner of this list, but I'm not sure and also not interested enough to go find out.

HTH,


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:53 AM, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it this list or another list.?? help!


stew





moderated confused

cecropia64
 

okay, now i am confused.?? what list is mike the new owner of??? is it this list or another list.?? help!


stew


moderated Re: JAWS guide for MS Word?

David Kingsbury
 

Hello,

 

With the risk of sounding self-promoting, you could check out the book I wrote entitled “Format Your Word Documents with JAWS and NVDA: A Guide for Students and Professionals.” Depending on format chosen, you can purchase it for between 18 and 20 dollars at:

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WORD-FORMAT.html

 

Regards,

David

 


moderated Re: the list

Maria Campbell
 

Thanks.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/22/2019 11:06 AM, Larry Gassman wrote:
Maria,
Mike Capelle is the owner of the new list.
Larry



moderated the list

Larry Gassman <larrygassman@...>
 

Maria,
Mike Capelle is the owner of the new list.
Larry


moderated Re: The List

Maria Campbell
 

Who is the owner and moderators of the new list?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/22/2019 5:50 AM, Flor Lynch wrote:

Your messages arrive out-of-filter. The correct group address to send messages to, is: main@jfw.groups.io >.
 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:59 AM
Subject: The List

Is Mike B a member of this list?

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: A potential suggestion for the list:

 

Also, "what's accessible with JAWS" comes up as part of the natural flow of topics on this very group, and the material can be accessed easily by searching the group archive.

Not that I don't think having a centralized repository isn't a good thing, but it does already exist and will continue to exist.

To Angel, if this is something you want it would be welcome here.  But if someone else isn't doing it, think about becoming that someone who is.  That's how this stuff generally gets started in the first place.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: A potential suggestion for the list:

Gerald Levy
 


First of all, the list you are referring to was called JAWS Lite, not JFW Lite, an important distinction.?? This list is still in existence, but is mostly inactive and hence does not qualify as a bone fide list for the discussion of JAWS issues.?? There is already a resource that contains a comprehensive list of free, JAWS-accessible programs.?? It is the programs page of the JAWS-Users web site, which will continue to be accessible even though the JAWS-Users list has been shut down.


Gerald



On 8/21/2019 5:58 PM, Angel wrote:
???
When the old J F W lite list existed, its moderator and owner, debbie Scales, ??deliberately found free programs which were Jaws compliant.?? She shared them with the list.?? She died prior to the advent of the Windows 7 release.?? Thus the list was never continued.?? It would be nice if??similar free programs might be found.?? To share with the list.??