Date   

moderated Re: The List

 

For any Groups.io group, including this one, to independently locate the group and its addresses:

1. Go to the Groups.io Search page.

2. Navigate to the search box and enter your search terms, in this case try JAWS or JAWS Users, but you can use any word, words, or quote-enclosed phrase just like on any search.

3. All groups whose names or descriptions include your search terms are returned, arranged by name.

4. All group home pages are presented as links, that are also at heading level 5, so use your favored method to cruise through all headings at level 5, which will vary by screen reader.

5. Activate the link when you find what you think is the group of interest.

6. After reading whatever you may want to check out, probably the group description, use screen reader search to locate "Group Email Addresses".

7. The actual post, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. addresses are presented as a list directly after the "Group Email Addresses" heading.  Each address is a mailto link.

The better you are about your initial search criteria when doing the search the less dross you'll have to slog through in terms of groups returned.   If you search on something like, say, "horses" you are going to get many, many pages of results.   If you use something like the phrase "Morgan Horses" (or any specific breed, enclosed in quotes) you'll get fewer, in the case of this particular example as of this writing, one.

You can always add search terms and search again if you get too many results or remove a search term or two if what you gave gets you zero results.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Angel
 


How does one subscribe to the newly created group?

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: The List

Yeah… It just came off as a small and petty. Anyway… I think I’m going to hold off on joining. Who knows how many refugees from the old list will even hear about the new one. I’m guessing at first anyway, the majority of folks who join will be the same people on this blindtech and the other JFW list. Seriously… To just blow it up like that without even a heads up. There were probably a lot of folks on that list who need more help than others to find their way. Just to cast them out like that… Messed up. I believe that David guy is also a member of one or two other lists I belong too. Who knows if he’ll interact with them or if it was an entire withdrawal type of deal. 

On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cristobal,

          As so many owner martinets do!

          However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement.  I am mentioning this only because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here:  Jaws Help Website

           If there's a way to get at the help content historically available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion, even on a "competing list" like this one.  And I really don't consider the lists in competition in any meaningful sense.

            I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc.  I still, for myself, would prefer a grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or easily translatable to the others.   But history often dictates structure, and it sure does at the moment.

             With list management software like Groups.io has, each user can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they wish to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated A potential suggestion for the list:

Angel
 


When the old J F W lite list existed, its moderator and owner, debbie Scales,  deliberately found free programs which were Jaws compliant.  She shared them with the list.  She died prior to the advent of the Windows 7 release.  Thus the list was never continued.  It would be nice if similar free programs might be found.  To share with the list. 


moderated The List

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Is Mike B a member of this list?

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Re: The List

Melissa Stott
 

Yes, we are talking about the Jaws Users group.  I had a feeling that it would come to this, but still, it was quite a shock.

 

                Melissa

 

From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the

owner?

 

On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:

> That’s terrible!

>

> I hope all the other list members from that list come here.

>

> Pastor Gil

>

> *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey

> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM

> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: The List

>

> I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there

> were years and years of data there.

>

> *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel

> *Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM

> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: The List

>

> JM,

>

>            My central point being, if you want to walk away from list

> ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it

> offline.

>

>            It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if

> you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have

> it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list)

> to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now

> unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head

> out the door.

>

>             Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do

> than just closing up shop and blowing it up.

> --

>

> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

>

> Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

>

>           ~ Eric Hoffer

>

>

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws issue

Chris Hill
 

 think you might have one more thing to try.  Call Freedom Scientific.  I suspect your problem is something nobody else is likely to solve for you.  I haven't heard anyone mention it here before and all is well on my stuff.



On 8/21/2019 19:20, Michael Munn wrote:
Hi all, this is Michael. I'm currently experiencing an issue with Jaws in Word.
Yestrerday, I asked my school's tech department to update my computer to the latest Windows 10 built 1903. After the update was completed, Jaws begin to act weird in Word. When I press the Left and right arrow key to read work by word instead of reading it, Jaws skip's them and read the next word proceeded to the word next to it.
Some time, It won't read the next word period. I want to know what really cause Jaws to do this? My tech instructor and I  tried every possible ways  to troubleshoot  and the issue still not resolved.
here are the  ways that we take to troubleshoot:
·       Open a series of documents in Word to make sure that it wasn’t one particular doc causing the problem.

·        and pasted text only into Word and this would work for a line or two.

·       Found a Windows 1903 packet that needed to be installed, downloaded and installed it.

·       Removed old downloads of JAWS, temp file cleanup, disk clean up.

·       Downloaded fresh JAWS install and ran a JAWS repair successfully.
NVDA was able to, but not JAWS.

We then opened Out look and did the same thing and  Outlook  can read the same text that I pasted from word with out any issue.




All feed back are greatly appreciate it.
Thanks 
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
--

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
 Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




moderated Jaws issue

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, this is Michael. I'm currently experiencing an issue with Jaws in Word.
Yestrerday, I asked my school's tech department to update my computer to the latest Windows 10 built 1903. After the update was completed, Jaws begin to act weird in Word. When I press the Left and right arrow key to read work by word instead of reading it, Jaws skip's them and read the next word proceeded to the word next to it.
Some time, It won't read the next word period. I want to know what really cause Jaws to do this? My tech instructor and I  tried every possible ways  to troubleshoot  and the issue still not resolved.
here are the  ways that we take to troubleshoot:
·       Open a series of documents in Word to make sure that it wasn’t one particular doc causing the problem.

·        and pasted text only into Word and this would work for a line or two.

·       Found a Windows 1903 packet that needed to be installed, downloaded and installed it.

·       Removed old downloads of JAWS, temp file cleanup, disk clean up.

·       Downloaded fresh JAWS install and ran a JAWS repair successfully.
NVDA was able to, but not JAWS.

We then opened Out look and did the same thing and  Outlook  can read the same text that I pasted from word with out any issue.




All feed back are greatly appreciate it.
Thanks 
Best regards 
Michael Munn 
--

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
 Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




moderated Re: The List

Mario
 

yes, that's the one.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 5:48 PM
Subject: The List

i believe they are talking about the Jaws Users list that was run by
Rick Justice and David Farren, (I am not sure how David spells his last
name) but things had gotten pretty ugly at times there.
In any case, that list is no more.
That list showed "Jaws Users" in the subject line, so it was easy to
tell which list messages were coming from.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was
the owner?

On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
That’s terrible!
I hope all the other list members from that list come here.
Pastor Gil
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there
were years and years of data there.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
JM,
My central point being, if you want to walk away from list
ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it
offline.
It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away
if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and
have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private
list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is
now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you
head out the door.
Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do
than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Cristóbal
 

Yeah… It just came off as a small and petty. Anyway… I think I’m going to hold off on joining. Who knows how many refugees from the old list will even hear about the new one. I’m guessing at first anyway, the majority of folks who join will be the same people on this blindtech and the other JFW list. Seriously… To just blow it up like that without even a heads up. There were probably a lot of folks on that list who need more help than others to find their way. Just to cast them out like that… Messed up. I believe that David guy is also a member of one or two other lists I belong too. Who knows if he’ll interact with them or if it was an entire withdrawal type of deal. 

On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Cristobal,

          As so many owner martinets do!

          However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement.  I am mentioning this only because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here:  Jaws Help Website

           If there's a way to get at the help content historically available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion, even on a "competing list" like this one.  And I really don't consider the lists in competition in any meaningful sense.

            I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc.  I still, for myself, would prefer a grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or easily translatable to the others.   But history often dictates structure, and it sure does at the moment.

             With list management software like Groups.io has, each user can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they wish to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Flor Lynch
 

The programs page, Scripts page, Tips & Tricks page, and Audio page, are still at www.jaws-users.com >>.

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer
the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss


stew

On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I didn???t realise the archive was also gone. That???s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List

JM,

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.?? But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Richard Turner
 

i believe they are talking about the Jaws Users list that was run by Rick Justice and David Farren, (I am not sure how David spells his last name) but things had gotten pretty ugly at times there.
In any case, that list is no more.
That list showed "Jaws Users" in the subject line, so it was easy to tell which list messages were coming from.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner?

On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
That’s terrible!
I hope all the other list members from that list come here.
Pastor Gil
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
JM,
          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.
          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.
           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
         ~ Eric Hoffer





moderated Re: The List

Don H
 

Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner?

On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
That’s terrible!
I hope all the other list members from that list come here.
Pastor Gil
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List
JM,
          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.
          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.
           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

That’s terrible!

I hope all the other list members from that list come here.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

JM,

          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

 

Cristobal,

          As so many owner martinets do!

          However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement.  I am mentioning this only because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here:  Jaws Help Website

           If there's a way to get at the help content historically available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion, even on a "competing list" like this one.  And I really don't consider the lists in competition in any meaningful sense.

            I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc.  I still, for myself, would prefer a grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or easily translatable to the others.   But history often dictates structure, and it sure does at the moment.

             With list management software like Groups.io has, each user can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they wish to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Cristóbal
 

I’m sure David would say that since it was his list, he could do whatever he wanted etc. etc.… Still though, seems like a bunch of weak sauce to just abruptly pull the plug on it like that. 

On Aug 21, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

JM,

          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

cecropia64
 

yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss


stew

On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I didn???t realise the archive was also gone. That???s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List

JM,

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.?? But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

JM Casey
 

I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

JM,

          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

cecropia64
 

yes maria.?? that is the same list.?? i guess i was just very surprised that this decision was made just like that without any regard to the folks who relied on the information they got from it.?? just very disappointed.?? glad this list is still here.?? not too many lists out there for jaws.


stew

On 8/21/2019 4:46 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I'm not sure what list you are talking about, unless it's the JAWS users list of that same name.?? I left it quite a while ago, because I was chastised for not being a passive follower of all things VFO.?? The owner appeared to be on a power trip with a very heavy hand.?? Too bad it's gone, but no surprise.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/21/2019 4:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I???m not always so good at ???reading??? peoples??? emotions twhom I don???t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don???t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too???

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:15 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The List

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for
quite a while

Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general.

It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced.?? ??It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all.?? The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership.?? It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: The List

Maria Campbell
 

I'm not sure what list you are talking about, unless it's the JAWS users list of that same name.  I left it quite a while ago, because I was chastised for not being a passive follower of all things VFO.  The owner appeared to be on a power trip with a very heavy hand.  Too bad it's gone, but no surprise.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/21/2019 4:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’m not always so good at “reading” peoples’ emotions twhom I don’t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don’t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 21, 2019 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while

Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general.

It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced.   It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all.  The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership.  It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

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moderated Re: The List

 

JM,

          My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.  But you can do that without literally taking it offline.

          It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door.

           Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer