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The List
Pastor Gilbert Pries
Is Mike B a member of this list?
Pastor Gil
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Re: The List
Melissa Stott
Yes, we are talking about the Jaws Users group. I had a feeling that it would come to this, but still, it was quite a shock.
Melissa
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List
Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner?
On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: > That’s terrible! > > I hope all the other list members from that list come here. > > Pastor Gil > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM > *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > *Subject:* Re: The List > > I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there > were years and years of data there. > > *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel > *Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM > *To:* main@jfw.groups.io > *Subject:* Re: The List > > JM, > > My central point being, if you want to walk away from list > ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it > offline. > > It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if > you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have > it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) > to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now > unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head > out the door. > > Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do > than just closing up shop and blowing it up. > -- > > Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 > > Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. > > ~ Eric Hoffer > >
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Chris Hill
think you might have one more thing to try. Call Freedom Scientific. I suspect your problem is something nobody else is likely to solve for you. I haven't heard anyone mention it here before and all is well on my stuff.
On 8/21/2019 19:20, Michael Munn wrote:
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Jaws issue
Michael Munn
Hi all, this is Michael. I'm currently experiencing an issue with Jaws in Word. Yestrerday, I asked my school's tech department to update my computer to the latest Windows 10 built 1903. After the update was completed, Jaws begin to act weird in Word. When I press the Left and right arrow key to read work by word instead of reading it, Jaws skip's them and read the next word proceeded to the word next to it. Some time, It won't read the next word period. I want to know what really cause Jaws to do this? My tech instructor and I tried every possible ways to troubleshoot and the issue still not resolved. here are the ways that we take to troubleshoot: · Open a series of documents in Word to make sure that it wasn’t one particular doc causing the problem. · and pasted text only into Word and this would work for a line or two. · Found a Windows 1903 packet that needed to be installed, downloaded and installed it. · Removed old downloads of JAWS, temp file cleanup, disk clean up. · Downloaded fresh JAWS install and ran a JAWS repair successfully. NVDA was able to, but not JAWS. We then opened Out look and did the same thing and Outlook can read the same text that I pasted from word with out any issue. All feed back are greatly appreciate it. Thanks Best regards Michael Munn -- Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
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Re: The List
Mario
yes, that's the one.
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From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 5:48 PM Subject: The List i believe they are talking about the Jaws Users list that was run by Rick Justice and David Farren, (I am not sure how David spells his last name) but things had gotten pretty ugly at times there. In any case, that list is no more. That list showed "Jaws Users" in the subject line, so it was easy to tell which list messages were coming from. Richard Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote: Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner? On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: That’s terrible! I hope all the other list members from that list come here. Pastor Gil *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *JM Casey *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: The List I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel *Sent:* August 21, 2019 4:44 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: The List JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List
Cristóbal
Yeah… It just came off as a small and petty. Anyway… I think I’m going to hold off on joining. Who knows how many refugees from the old list will even hear about the new one. I’m guessing at first anyway, the majority of folks who join will be the same people on this blindtech and the other JFW list. Seriously… To just blow it up like that without even a heads up. There were probably a lot of folks on that list who need more help than others to find their way. Just to cast them out like that… Messed up. I believe that David guy is also a member of one or two other lists I belong too. Who knows if he’ll interact with them or if it was an entire withdrawal type of deal.
On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Flor Lynch
The programs page, Scripts page, Tips & Tricks page, and Audio page, are still at www.jaws-users.com >>.
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From: cecropia64 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:52 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss stew On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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Richard Turner
i believe they are talking about the Jaws Users list that was run by Rick Justice and David Farren, (I am not sure how David spells his last name) but things had gotten pretty ugly at times there.
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In any case, that list is no more.
That list showed "Jaws Users" in the subject line, so it was easy to tell which list messages were coming from.
Richard
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
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Don H
Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner?
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On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
That’s terrible!
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Re: The List
Pastor Gilbert Pries
That’s terrible! I hope all the other list members from that list come here.
Pastor Gil
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List
I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
JM, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List
Cristobal,
As so many owner martinets do! However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement. I am mentioning this only because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here: Jaws Help Website If there's a way to get at the help content historically available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion, even on a "competing list" like this one. And I really don't consider the lists in competition in any meaningful sense. I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc. I still, for myself, would prefer a grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or easily translatable to the others. But history often dictates structure, and it sure does at the moment. With list management software like Groups.io has, each user can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they wish to do so. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Cristóbal
I’m sure David would say that since it was his list, he could do whatever he wanted etc. etc.… Still though, seems like a bunch of weak sauce to just abruptly pull the plug on it like that.
On Aug 21, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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cecropia64
yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss
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On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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JM Casey
I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
JM, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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cecropia64
yes maria.?? that is the same list.?? i guess i was just very surprised that this decision was made just like that without any regard to the folks who relied on the information they got from it.?? just very disappointed.?? glad this list is still here.?? not too many lists out there for jaws.
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On 8/21/2019 4:46 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
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Maria Campbell
I'm not sure what list you are talking about, unless it's the JAWS users list of that same name. I left it quite a while ago, because I was chastised for not being a passive follower of all things VFO. The owner appeared to be on a power trip with a very heavy hand. Too bad it's gone, but no surprise.
Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. On 8/21/2019 4:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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JM,
My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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JM Casey
I’m not always so good at “reading” peoples’ emotions twhom I don’t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don’t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too…
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a whileNot that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced. It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all. The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership. It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Netflix and audio description
Randy Barnett
The fire stick is the latest version with the Alexa remote so you can talk to it. The Sampson is a new 32 inch Samsung smart TV. Both are easy to use. the Roku is just an old Roku I don't know probably first gen.
On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:50 PM, William Hersh <billhsh@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy Could you tell me which was easiest for you? I take it the Roku was not the best. Was it Roku 2 or 3? And which FireStick?
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Hi Bill, I've used audio description with Netflix successfully without issues on Samsung smart TV, Roku and Amazon fire stick. On All but the Roku I used voice feedback. on the Roku someone else did it. It was an older one that Didn't have voice feedback but it still work for audio description. Randy Barnett owner of soundtique
Hi Listers
Any opinions on using Audio Description on Netflix? What are some winning combinations - smart TV with or without Roku 3? FireStick? Better on tablet? Better on PC? Better with Apple TV? Any failed combinations? Known issues?
Thanks Bill
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