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Re: The List Flor Lynch #71519 The programs page, Scripts page, Tips & Tricks page, and Audio page, are still at www.jaws-users.com >>. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:52 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss stew On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote: I didn???t realise the archive was also gone. That???s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. From:main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.?? But you can do that without literally taking it offline. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> #71518 i believe they are talking about the Jaws Users list that was run by Rick Justice and David Farren, (I am not sure how David spells his last name) but things had gotten pretty ugly at times there. In any case, that list is no more. That list showed "Jaws Users" in the subject line, so it was easy to tell which list messages were coming from. Richard Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote: Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner? On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: That’s terrible! I hope all the other list members from that list come here. Pastor Gil From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Don H #71517 Sorry I missed something which list are we talking about and who was the owner? toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: That’s terrible! I hope all the other list members from that list come here. Pastor Gil From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...> #71516 That’s terrible! I hope all the other list members from that list come here. Pastor Gil toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Brian Vogel #71515 Cristobal, As so many owner martinets do! However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement. I am mentioning this only because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here: Jaws Help Website If there's a way to get at the help content historically available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion, even on a "competing list" like this one. And I really don't consider the lists in competition in any meaningful sense. I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc. I still, for myself, would prefer a grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or easily translatable to the others. But history often dictates structure, and it sure does at the moment. With list management software like Groups.io has, each user can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they wish to do so. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Cristóbal #71514 I’m sure David would say that since it was his list, he could do whatever he wanted etc. etc.… Still though, seems like a bunch of weak sauce to just abruptly pull the plug on it like that. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Aug 21, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List cecropia64 #71513 yes.?? too bad there isn't a way when lists go belly up to maybe transfer the data so it doesn't just disappear for good.?? truly a loss stew toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 8/21/2019 4:50 PM, JM Casey wrote: I didn???t realise the archive was also gone. That???s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. From:main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine.?? But you can do that without literally taking it offline. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List JM Casey #71512 I didn’t realise the archive was also gone. That’s pretty bad; there were years and years of data there. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List cecropia64 #71511 yes maria.?? that is the same list.?? i guess i was just very surprised that this decision was made just like that without any regard to the folks who relied on the information they got from it.?? just very disappointed.?? glad this list is still here.?? not too many lists out there for jaws. stew toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 8/21/2019 4:46 PM, Maria Campbell wrote: I'm not sure what list you are talking about, unless it's the JAWS users list of that same name.?? I left it quite a while ago, because I was chastised for not being a passive follower of all things VFO.?? The owner appeared to be on a power trip with a very heavy hand.?? Too bad it's gone, but no surprise. Maria Campbell lucky1inct@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. On 8/21/2019 4:38 PM, JM Casey wrote: I???m not always so good at ???reading??? peoples??? emotions twhom I don???t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don???t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too??? From:main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote: The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced.?? ??It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all.?? The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership.?? It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to. -- Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,??Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Maria Campbell #71510 I'm not sure what list you are talking about, unless it's the JAWS users list of that same name. I left it quite a while ago, because I was chastised for not being a passive follower of all things VFO. The owner appeared to be on a power trip with a very heavy hand. Too bad it's gone, but no surprise. Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. On 8/21/2019 4:38 PM, JM Casey wrote: toggle quoted messageShow quoted text I’m not always so good at “reading” peoples’ emotions twhom I don’t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don’t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too… From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote: The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced. It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all. The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership. It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Brian Vogel #71509 JM, My central point being, if you want to walk away from list ownership, that's fine. But you can do that without literally taking it offline. It's a simple matter to either lock the list and walk away if you want to encase the current content of the archive in amber and have it accessible for others (or at least members, if it was a private list) to search or to announce that you're walking away and the list is now unmoderated, making sure you throw open the permissions before you head out the door. Either of those is a more decent and reasonable thing to do than just closing up shop and blowing it up. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List JM Casey #71508 I’m not always so good at “reading” peoples’ emotions twhom I don’t know in text, and I guess what came across as a bit of grumbling was actually some kinf of emotional distress. Don’t know what was going on behind the scenes or even if he tried to hand the list over to someone else. Perhaps there were no takers. That list existed for a very long time, too… toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: August 21, 2019 4:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote: The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced. It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all. The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership. It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: The List Brian Vogel #71507 On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 03:55 PM, JM Casey wrote: The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while Not that I have any experience with that list, but I have plenty with lists in general. It is a poor, poor list owner indeed that just shuts down a list unannounced. It simply isn't done if you have any integrity at all. The content created in lists and their archives may be "mechanically owned" by a list owner, but are actually owned by the membership. It is always possible to permanently lock a list, and walk away, leaving the archive content accessible if there is no one who you'd care to hand it over to. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: Netflix and audio description Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> #71506 The fire stick is the latest version with the Alexa remote so you can talk to it. The Sampson is a new 32 inch Samsung smart TV. Both are easy to use. the Roku is just an old Roku I don't know probably first gen. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:50 PM, William Hersh <billhsh@...> wrote: Thanks Randy Could you tell me which was easiest for you? I take it the Roku was not the best. Was it Roku 2 or 3? And which FireStick? From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Netflix and audio description Hi Bill, I've used audio description with Netflix successfully without issues on Samsung smart TV, Roku and Amazon fire stick. On All but the Roku I used voice feedback. on the Roku someone else did it. It was an older one that Didn't have voice feedback but it still work for audio description. Randy Barnett owner of soundtique On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:57 AM, William Hersh <billhsh@...> wrote: Hi Listers Any opinions on using Audio Description on Netflix? What are some winning combinations - smart TV with or without Roku 3? FireStick? Better on tablet? Better on PC? Better with Apple TV? Any failed combinations? Known issues? Thanks Bill
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Re: The List JM Casey #71505 Yeah, it was pretty sudden. The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while, but I really saw no evidence of poor behaviour at least in the public messages. Everyone has different standadrs, I guess. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64 Sent: August 21, 2019 8:27 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List yes, that was a total shocker.?? i was thinking the same thing. folks are going to need a place to talk all things jaws.?? hope this is it. stew On 8/21/2019 8:24 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote: Welll, now that the JAWS-Users list has been shut down, which happened abruptly and without warning last night, this list is likely to become even more active. Gerald to become even more On 8/21/2019 8:16 AM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: It was very active when I was a member before. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: The List on top of all that this list has been very quiet for a long time.? little going on On 8/21/2019 8:12 AM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote: My emails are taking a very long time to get back to me which means I am not approved as yet. Pastor Gil
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Re: Netflix and audio description William Hersh #71504 Thanks Randy Could you tell me which was easiest for you? I take it the Roku was not the best. Was it Roku 2 or 3? And which FireStick? toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Netflix and audio description Hi Bill, I've used audio description with Netflix successfully without issues on Samsung smart TV, Roku and Amazon fire stick. On All but the Roku I used voice feedback. on the Roku someone else did it. It was an older one that Didn't have voice feedback but it still work for audio description. Randy Barnett owner of soundtique On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:57 AM, William Hersh <billhsh@...> wrote: Hi Listers Any opinions on using Audio Description on Netflix? What are some winning combinations - smart TV with or without Roku 3? FireStick? Better on tablet? Better on PC? Better with Apple TV? Any failed combinations? Known issues? Thanks Bill
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Re: JAWS guide for MS Word? Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> #71503 You may also want to take a look at Perkins School's Paths To Literacy. Here is the link: http://www.pathstoliteracy.org/strategies/learning-jaws-lessons-and-review Richard Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Aug 21, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote: Hello guys, Is there a detailed guide for using JAWS with MS Word? would really appreciate if someone could guide me in the right direction. Regards
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Re: JAWS guide for MS Word? Brian Vogel #71502 Always search the Freedom Scientific site. There are generally, and definitely are in this case, webinars and other documentation. I just searched using the two keywords JAWS and Word in the search box and there's lots of material there, you just need to sift through and look at what's relevant to you. Free MS-Word with JAWS Webinar Free Improving JAWS Skills in Word Webinar There are downloadable documents associated with these, and they're only two things I found on the first page of search results at the FS site. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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JAWS guide for MS Word? Akshaya Choudhary #71501 Hello guys, Is there a detailed guide for using JAWS with MS Word? would really appreciate if someone could guide me in the right direction. Regards
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Re: Netflix and audio description Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...> #71500 Hi Bill, I've used audio description with Netflix successfully without issues on Samsung smart TV, Roku and Amazon fire stick. On All but the Roku I used voice feedback. on the Roku someone else did it. It was an older one that Didn't have voice feedback but it still work for audio description. Randy Barnett owner of soundtique toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:57 AM, William Hersh <billhsh@...> wrote: Hi Listers Any opinions on using Audio Description on Netflix? What are some winning combinations - smart TV with or without Roku 3? FireStick? Better on tablet? Better on PC? Better with Apple TV? Any failed combinations? Known issues? Thanks Bill
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