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moderated Re: Hello All Jaws2019 Gmail question on bcc Addison here

david
 

Good afternoon,

no disrespect, you really need to do something about your typing, it's really not readable. or you need to use a spellchecker, which may not even work.

never the less,

to get the BCC field in outlook,

 

1, ctrl+n=new message,

2, alt+p=options,

3, press the letter b=bcc,

so, alt+p/b

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 12:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Hello All Jaws2019 Gmail question on bcc Addison here

 

Helo All  I’musigj2019 ad desktop court wiow10  and hae mrosotolook 2007 emclints Does anybody know h t used bcc in gmil  ? This isy first tie trtodo t.If yone have nswer for I’l piated so much .

Thnks

Addison


moderated Hello All Jaws2019 Gmail question on bcc Addison here

O.Addison Gethers
 

Helo All  I’musigj2019 ad desktop court wiow10  and hae mrosotolook 2007 emclints Does anybody know h t used bcc in gmil  ? This isy first tie trtodo t.If yone have nswer for I’l piated so much .

Thnks

Addison


moderated Re: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Alternatively just delete the Dropbox shortcut from your desktop and create a new shortcut which points to your Dropbox folder.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Hi,

 

I have tried doing the operation as described below to get DB to open in Windows Explorer, like how the older version worked.  However, so far I have not been successful at making this setting stick.  Is there some trick to try, or some other way of accomplishing this?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:36 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Maybe call Microsoft Accessibility and see if they can  help you to get it changed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Hi,

 

I have tried doing the operation as described below to get DB to open in Windows Explorer, like how the older version worked.  However, so far I have not been successful at making this setting stick.  Is there some trick to try, or some other way of accomplishing this?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:36 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: New Dropbox Navigation

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi,

 

I have tried doing the operation as described below to get DB to open in Windows Explorer, like how the older version worked.  However, so far I have not been successful at making this setting stick.  Is there some trick to try, or some other way of accomplishing this?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:36 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: I am looking for the following type of laptop

 

Any laptop with at least 1 spot for a 2.5 inch drive nowadays should also be able to take an M.2 form factor SSD. Those are SSD's which are basically a card you plug into a slot in your laptop and you can then use the 2.5 inch drive bay for either another SSD or a traditional hard drive.

SSD prices are coming down fast as capacities go up, here is one example of a 1 Tb SSD which is $229 Canadian, probably would be $179 or so in the US:

Samsung MZ-N6E1T0BW 860 EVO M.2 SATA III 1 TB Internal SSD

Unless  you need more than 1 Tb of space I’d seriously consider spending the money for a drive like that rather than spending $80 or $100 for a smaller SSD and another $50 to $70 for a larger regular hard drive since it will of course greatly impact the battery life of the laptop to run two drives and in the end you wouldn’t save that much.

If of course you need 2 or 4 Tb it’s a different story.

Also, if the laptop has a DVD drive and you don’t need it you can get very inexpensive little caddies which allow you to put a regular 2.5 or 3.5 inch hard drive into the spot where the DVD drive usually goes.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 8:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: I am looking for the following type of laptop

 

Hello everyone:

 

I am looking for either a brand name laptop or one I can build myself or have built for me, which has room for not only the system hard drive but also has an additional hard drive for data.

 

I want the speed of an SSD drive and an HDD drive for storing my data files.

 

I have looked on the internet for a laptop with this configuration, with no success.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: I am looking for the following type of laptop

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
You'd be in the market for a ggaming laptop, which most likely meets your
needs.
I own a Lenovo thinkpad x1 extreme which can hold 2 solid state drives. Note
that a 1 tb solid state drive can now be found for less than $100 - and the
speed is so very worth it. So in theory, you could have 2 1 tb drives
installed in there. I'm not sure what your budget is - but it's a very solid
machine that will last me for years to come. The keyboard is absolutely
fantastic, the build quality is top notch and it's very, very serviceable.
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: July 29, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: I am looking for the following type of laptop

Hello everyone:

I am looking for either a brand name laptop or one I can build myself or
have built for me, which has room for not only the system hard drive but
also has an additional hard drive for data.

I want the speed of an SSD drive and an HDD drive for storing my data files.

I have looked on the internet for a laptop with this configuration, with no
success.

Any ideas?


moderated I am looking for the following type of laptop

Dave Durber
 

Hello everyone:

I am looking for either a brand name laptop or one I can build myself or have built for me, which has room for not only the system hard drive but also has an additional hard drive for data.

I want the speed of an SSD drive and an HDD drive for storing my data files.

I have looked on the internet for a laptop with this configuration, with no success.

Any ideas?


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

David Csercsics
 

Sometimes, yes, and sometimes not. It appears to be kind of random. I'm thinking it's my configuration somewhere, but I'll have to poke around.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

David Csercsics
 

The one that got installed from Windows update. It's an NVidia k2200 card, and when I checked their drivers it seemed to be the same version as what was in Windows update, but I can check for other conflicts. It's probably something obscure. I'll have a look  at this, thank you, and see where I get to.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

 

David, have you established for sure it is not Jaws running out of demo time? If you reboot your computer and then start Jaws and work with it for say half an hour, do you run into problems in that first half hour directly after the restart?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

Never thought of MS accessibility. The thing is I haven't seen instability with other screen readers, so it's probably an obscure bug.
I'll check and see what we can sort out. Either that, or I have something set weirdly.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

Randy Barnett
 

What disPlay driver are you using? the one from the manufacture or the One from Microsoft?
Sometimes the generic Microsoft display driver works better.

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On Jul 28, 2019, at 7:47 AM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:

Never thought of MS accessibility. The thing is I haven't seen instability with other screen readers, so it's probably an obscure bug. I'll check and see what we can sort out. Either that, or I have something set weirdly.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

Shan Noyes
 

I know that sounds weird but hey the windows desktop environment is very complicated and who knows what interactions are taking place have a good day shan I would suggest calling Microsoft access ability desk because it may be some obscure setting is causing you grief because a year ago when I update it to 1803 my jaws would work fine with word excel however when I tried to use Internet explore chrome or Firefox to go on the Internet my keyboard echo would not report what I was typing correctly The solution and it up being liking my video monitor into landscape mode and as soon as I locked it in landscape mode G keyboard echo reported what I was typing correctly That solution came from the Microsoft accessibility helpdesk

On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:36 AM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:

Yes, that's why I am possibly thinking it is user error. But it's odd because I didn't think my hardware was that nonstandard. What's the likely source of crashes? As far as I can tell, I have all the Windows updates and I could not find newer drivers for hardware than what Windows 10 ships with. Where else does one look for instability?





moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

David Csercsics
 

Never thought of MS accessibility. The thing is I haven't seen instability with other screen readers, so it's probably an obscure bug. I'll check and see what we can sort out. Either that, or I have something set weirdly.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

David Csercsics
 

Yes', I did not know that, because it's not obvious. I'm just more  or less testing before I try to figure out how to pay for it. The subscription model seems helpful, but I'm mostly looking at braille support. Also might get back into programming as well. I'd used JAWS for a bit a few years ago, but the license got dropped when the college stopped paying for it, and I was moving a lot, and so I didn't keep up with it. I'm just trying to work out the best accessibility for all my devices and make sure all the screen readers everywhere will do what people need as much as possible. Do you know if they need extra beta testers?


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

Richard Turner
 

David,
Perhaps a call to Microsoft Accessibility would be useful. They can log in to your machine and check any crash reports and fix things for you if they find problems or at your request, tell you what to fix.
I have had very good success with them. You can call them at 800-936-5900.
It is pretty much impossible to speculate as to where the instability could be without knowing everything about your machine, add ins, etc.
That would take someone logging into your machine and finding the problem point if they can.

HTH,
Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

Yes, that's why I am possibly thinking it is user error. But it's odd because I didn't think my hardware was that nonstandard. What's the likely source of crashes? As far as I can tell, I have all the Windows updates and I could not find newer drivers for hardware than what Windows 10 ships with. Where  else does one look for instability?


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

David Csercsics
 

Yes, that's why I am possibly thinking it is user error. But it's odd because I didn't think my hardware was that nonstandard. What's the likely source of crashes? As far as I can tell, I have all the Windows updates and I could not find newer drivers for hardware than what Windows 10 ships with. Where  else does one look for instability?


moderated Re: Outlook and JFW freezes when saving message as text file

John Gurd
 

Thanks Sieghard and Richard

Looks like it’s something peculiar to my set up.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 28 July 2019 07:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JFW freezes when saving message as text file

 

Same here, I do use this feature on a fairly regular base sand have had no problems with it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 6:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook and JFW freezes when saving message as text file

 

Hi,

I just saved your message as a txt file running Outlook from Office 365 with latest Jaws 2019 and Windows 10 64 home build 1903.

The file name is

Outlook and JFW freezes when saving message as text file.txt and it saved with no problems.

 

Richard

 

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 3:18 AM
To: 'jfw World List' <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Outlook and JFW freezes when saving message as text file

 

Hi

Has anyone tried saving  a email message as a text file from Outlook 365 using latest version of JFW 2019? My PC locks up. It is possible this was introduced by an Outlook update as I’m sure it was working fine a week or two ago.

 

John

 


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

 

Hi Richard,

No, currently the subscription model Jaws offers in the US is restricted to the US only. Let's hope it will be offered here in Canada very soon since I think it's a great idea and while I will continue to buy SMA's as long as they are offered, for people like David who never had Jaws or for people who are 2 or 3 or even more versions behind the subscription model is great.

By the way, David, just in case you didn't know this, the 40 minutes start counting from the first time you turn Jaws on, if you have Jaws set to load on startup and turn it off right away it still counts so if you did this and then turned it on 35 minutes later all you would get before it stops working and you have to reboot is 5 minutes.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

No bother.
I didn't realize the $90 subscription offer from Freedom Scientific wasn't good in Canada.
It sounds like you could be using one of the free screen readers when not using Jaws, which to avoid list administrative ire, I won't mention.
But for many things, yes, Jaws is still more powerful.

Perhaps you could still write Eric Damery at FS to say that in demo mode of Jaws 2019 your desktop shortcuts don't work. So far, none of their 100 or so beta testers can duplicate it and none of their tech staff can either. edamery@...

Thanks,
Richard


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

I don't think I can get a full version in Canada, at least not easily, since it costs as much as 2 computers. I'm just testing it to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade. I like the braille support mostly, though it was a pain to get to work, compared with other screen readers. I was aware that someone would rip me for saying demo mode, which is why I said maybe commenting on it wasn't worth my time. Back to lurk mode, and sorry for the inconvenience. I was only away from my keyboard for 15 minutes to walk the dog, which shouldn't have crashed my keyboard and braille display to the point I couldn't load another screen reader or do anything else with the system. But again, back to lurk mode, and I won't bother anyone here.


moderated Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

 

Hi David,

I am also in Canada and I would hazard a guess and say there is something else going on which causes your problems. I have been a Jaws user since the DOS days (starting in 1989) and since then I have had every single version of Windows except 8.1 and every single version of Jaws on dozens of computers over those 30 years. I have a business and work on my computer and with Jaws every day for 8 to 10 hours and then again I use it at night on my laptop at home. At my retail store I have Jaws on 4 computers and not one exhibits the problems you describe.
Does Jaws have issues? Yes, of course it does, but so does every other software program in the world and certainly every screenreader, but I could not have run my store for the last 20 years without it and one thing is for certain, under Windows 10 the Jaws cursor isn't as useful as it used to be under Windows 7, but I go literally days and even weeks without any major Jaws crashes, at least not so I have to resort to rebooting my computer.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and desktop shortcut keys

I don't think I can get a full version in Canada, at least not easily, since it costs as much as 2 computers. I'm just testing it to see if it's a worthwhile upgrade. I like the braille support mostly, though it was a pain to get to work, compared with other screen readers. I was aware that someone would rip me for saying demo mode, which is why I said maybe commenting on it wasn't worth my time. Back to lurk mode, and sorry for the inconvenience. I was only away from my keyboard for 15 minutes to walk the dog, which shouldn't have crashed my keyboard and braille display to the point I couldn't load another screen reader or do anything else with the system. But again, back to lurk mode, and I won't bother anyone here.