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moderated Re: New Dropbox Navigation

Mike B
 

Hi Sharon,
 
N, it doesn't.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: New Dropbox Navigation

If you don’t have a dropbox account, but do download files from other people, does any of this apply?

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:36 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: Problem with the Windows key

Gene Stevens
 

Why not simply put a shortcut for Internet Explorer on the desktop and access it that way?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 8:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with the Windows key

 

The Windows key or the Windows key + S brings up the search box but it will not allow me to type anything in that box. 

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 1:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with the Windows key

 

Try and see if Windows + S brings  up the search box.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with the Windows key

 

Hello,

 

I usually press the windows key, then the letter I and then enter to get on the internet.  This evening, when I press the windows key it will not allow me to type the letter I, or any other letter for that matter.

 

Using windows 10 and Jaws 18.

 

I can’t access the internet right now so any help would be greatly appreciated …… thank you in advance.  

 

Laura

 

 


moderated Re: New Dropbox Navigation

Sharon
 

If you don’t have a dropbox account, but do download files from other people, does any of this apply?

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:36 PM
To: JFW List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: New Dropbox Navigation

 

Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

 

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: Problem with the Windows key

Dan Longmore
 

 Try the arrow upkeep, sometimes this triggers the edit box. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of Laura Richardson <laurakr65@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with the Windows key
 

The Windows key or the Windows key + S brings up the search box but it will not allow me to type anything in that box. 

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 1:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with the Windows key

 

Try and see if Windows + S brings  up the search box.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with the Windows key

 

Hello,

 

I usually press the windows key, then the letter I and then enter to get on the internet.  This evening, when I press the windows key it will not allow me to type the letter I, or any other letter for that matter.

 

Using windows 10 and Jaws 18.

 

I can’t access the internet right now so any help would be greatly appreciated …… thank you in advance.  

 

Laura

 


moderated Re: Problem with the Windows key

Laura Richardson
 

The Windows key or the Windows key + S brings up the search box but it will not allow me to type anything in that box. 

 

Laura

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 1:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem with the Windows key

 

Try and see if Windows + S brings  up the search box.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with the Windows key

 

Hello,

 

I usually press the windows key, then the letter I and then enter to get on the internet.  This evening, when I press the windows key it will not allow me to type the letter I, or any other letter for that matter.

 

Using windows 10 and Jaws 18.

 

I can’t access the internet right now so any help would be greatly appreciated …… thank you in advance.  

 

Laura

 


moderated Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

Curtis Delzer
 

oh, the g-skill does not use battery, the g613 does, 2 double A cells.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...
On 7/12/2019 4:14 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
More throw? Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Does that refer to the travel of the keys as some speak of? Is this keyboard also made by Logitech? Does it also make use of a USB receiver type of apparatus and what batteries does it use? Why did you choose to have both of these keyboards? Do you have different use cases for each?
Thanks for expounding.
Robin
 
 
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 

the g-skill, looks a lot like this g613, with the same six keys down the left side, but 2 advantages; (1) you can program the macros yourself, and (2) there are three configurations you can save, e.g. if you've a set of macros in configuration one, and another in two, you save configuration three for the out-of-the-box configuration so you can have a dependable one you are sure of. I have both keyboards the g-skill 2980 and Logitech G613, and both of the setup utilities are not speech friendly except the reset function of the g-skill. I bought this g-skill from Amazon for about $80.

The way you program the macros yourself without sight is to press macro record, the key you wish to use, and then the sequence you want, and then turn macro record off. The only advantage of the software recording the macro is you can make it lightning fast, instead from direct keyboard recording is that the time and rhythms are also recorded, though it begins typing at the instant you touch, not waiting for a moment which you might have used getting your hands ready to record the macro.

This G-skill has very nice switches in it, with more throw as such than the g613, but, again, as in any keyboard, when you switch to it, you immediately get use to it's throw.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...
On 7/7/2019 5:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi,

 

I thought it would be OK to post a brief review here on the Logitech G613 wireless mechanical gaming keyboard since just as myself I assume others also are always looking for the “perfect” keyboard.

This Logitech G613 “Lightspeed” wireless mechanical gaming keyboard can connect to iOS via Bluetooth and to a PC using the supplied USB receiver which then let’s you take advantage of the “Lightspeed” 1 millisecond delay which is pretty impressive (if you connect to a PC with Bluetooth this does not apply and while it’s probably still just as good as any other Bluetooth keyboard, it sort of makes sense to make the most of this keyboard’s features).

I still use my trusty Logitech K780 at home where I have it connected to my laptop via Bluetooth as well as to my iPhone and Apple TV, but I bought the G613 for my main PC at work and I must say so far it’s getting pretty close to that perfect score.

Unlike most wired mechanical gaming keyboards this does not have all the fancy RGB lighting options which of course is fine for me. The one thing I am not super fond of are the 6 F1 through fF6 function keys in a vertical column down the left side of the keyboard with maybe half an inch of space between them and the left most keys like Control, Shift, Caps Lock, Tab, ` and Escape. But I also bought a wired Logitech mechanical keyboard and it also has them, most mechanical keyboards are designed for gamers rather than people who want a mechanical keyboard for typing. It takes a bit of getting used to not accidently pressing them. gamers can configure these keys as macro keys to perform whatever actions gamers want.

Apart from that the keyboard has a very traditional layout with nice spaces between the blocks of function keys, the inverted cursor T, the 6-pack with Insert/Delete, Page Up/Down and Home/End, of course the number pad and above that it has 4 more slightly lower media keys for Play/Pause, Stop, Rewind and Forward.

At the very top is a slider switch which locks the Windows key which apparently gamers like so they don’t accidently press it and Cortana/the search box pops up, then there are two buttons which switch between the USB Lightspeed connection and the Bluetooth connection and once the Bluetooth connection to the iPhone has been established all it takes is to press the Bluetooth button in order to switch to the phone and the USB button to switch back.

On the very top right is a large key which is a volume rocker, press the left side for down and the right side for up and beside that is a Mute button. Finally on the right side towards the back is a on/off slider switch.

The keyboard runs on 2 AA batteries and is supposed to give you 18 month of battery life.

There is a proper application key on the right side of the spacebar which works, but there is no Windows key on the right side which is something you don’t hardly see any more.

 

Logitech uses their own Romer-G switches and not Cherry MXswitches. The Romer-G are most like Cherry Brown, a nice distance of travel, but not hard to press and relatively quiet for mechanical keys.

They do take a bit of getting used to, but I quite like them. For those who want to read more about them, below is a link to a review from Tom’s Hardware:

 

Logitech’s Romer-G Switches – Are they any good?

 

The other nice thing about this keyboard is it’s relatively reasonable price, I paid $129.99 Canadian for it, believe I read that on a good deal you can pick it up in the US for as low as $70 US.

Wireless mechanical keyboards are not out there too much yet, I did find a couple more made by the company “Das Keyboard” but they are more expensive although I may order them from Amazon to test and if I don’t like them at least as much or better send them back. My other 2 computers at my store where I have a Logitech MK510 keyboard and mouse combo both start to show their wear on the keyboards and I want to see if using mechanical keyboards won’t change the fact that many of the keyboards which are mostly out there these days are typically done after 2 or at most 3 years of heavy use.

As with all mechanical keyboards keep in mind that the Logitech G613 is heavy compared to other non-mechanical wireless keyboards.

And one last thing which is nice, this keyboard has function keys which work as function keys out of the box and as much as I also like my K780, it’s a bit of a pain to have to install the not very accessible Logitech Options software just so you can change the function keys to behave like function keys instead of media keys.

 

 

Happy typing,

Sieghard

 


moderated Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

Curtis Delzer
 

Yes that refers to the travel of the keys up and down, but it is easy to get use too just as you would any touch device. :) The G-skill keyboard is a USB wired keyboard, with a couple of other nice advantages, besides the ability for a blind person to record macros on it using any of the G keys on the left side, and that is the connection of another couple of cables to your PC, for sound and extra USB so if you've a dongle for your headphones, you can connect it to the rear of the keyboard, for example, or any headphones which use USB for their power and keeps the cords length shorter. Also, if your setup is 1/8 inch mini- plug intensive, :) you can use for headphones and / or your microphone connector to the rear of the keyboard.

this extra stuff is all supported by a rather thick round cloth-covered cable with 4 connectors inside it, 1 for keyboard, 1 for USB, and 2 1/8 inch plugs that go into your PC if you wish to use for microphone and headphones. :)

I use this keyboard every day, and initially I bought the G613  for my wife, but I enjoy it's feel so much she bought me one in return for Father's day this year. :)


Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...
On 7/12/2019 4:14 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
More throw? Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Does that refer to the travel of the keys as some speak of? Is this keyboard also made by Logitech? Does it also make use of a USB receiver type of apparatus and what batteries does it use? Why did you choose to have both of these keyboards? Do you have different use cases for each?
Thanks for expounding.
Robin
 
 
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 

the g-skill, looks a lot like this g613, with the same six keys down the left side, but 2 advantages; (1) you can program the macros yourself, and (2) there are three configurations you can save, e.g. if you've a set of macros in configuration one, and another in two, you save configuration three for the out-of-the-box configuration so you can have a dependable one you are sure of. I have both keyboards the g-skill 2980 and Logitech G613, and both of the setup utilities are not speech friendly except the reset function of the g-skill. I bought this g-skill from Amazon for about $80.

The way you program the macros yourself without sight is to press macro record, the key you wish to use, and then the sequence you want, and then turn macro record off. The only advantage of the software recording the macro is you can make it lightning fast, instead from direct keyboard recording is that the time and rhythms are also recorded, though it begins typing at the instant you touch, not waiting for a moment which you might have used getting your hands ready to record the macro.

This G-skill has very nice switches in it, with more throw as such than the g613, but, again, as in any keyboard, when you switch to it, you immediately get use to it's throw.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...
On 7/7/2019 5:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi,

 

I thought it would be OK to post a brief review here on the Logitech G613 wireless mechanical gaming keyboard since just as myself I assume others also are always looking for the “perfect” keyboard.

This Logitech G613 “Lightspeed” wireless mechanical gaming keyboard can connect to iOS via Bluetooth and to a PC using the supplied USB receiver which then let’s you take advantage of the “Lightspeed” 1 millisecond delay which is pretty impressive (if you connect to a PC with Bluetooth this does not apply and while it’s probably still just as good as any other Bluetooth keyboard, it sort of makes sense to make the most of this keyboard’s features).

I still use my trusty Logitech K780 at home where I have it connected to my laptop via Bluetooth as well as to my iPhone and Apple TV, but I bought the G613 for my main PC at work and I must say so far it’s getting pretty close to that perfect score.

Unlike most wired mechanical gaming keyboards this does not have all the fancy RGB lighting options which of course is fine for me. The one thing I am not super fond of are the 6 F1 through fF6 function keys in a vertical column down the left side of the keyboard with maybe half an inch of space between them and the left most keys like Control, Shift, Caps Lock, Tab, ` and Escape. But I also bought a wired Logitech mechanical keyboard and it also has them, most mechanical keyboards are designed for gamers rather than people who want a mechanical keyboard for typing. It takes a bit of getting used to not accidently pressing them. gamers can configure these keys as macro keys to perform whatever actions gamers want.

Apart from that the keyboard has a very traditional layout with nice spaces between the blocks of function keys, the inverted cursor T, the 6-pack with Insert/Delete, Page Up/Down and Home/End, of course the number pad and above that it has 4 more slightly lower media keys for Play/Pause, Stop, Rewind and Forward.

At the very top is a slider switch which locks the Windows key which apparently gamers like so they don’t accidently press it and Cortana/the search box pops up, then there are two buttons which switch between the USB Lightspeed connection and the Bluetooth connection and once the Bluetooth connection to the iPhone has been established all it takes is to press the Bluetooth button in order to switch to the phone and the USB button to switch back.

On the very top right is a large key which is a volume rocker, press the left side for down and the right side for up and beside that is a Mute button. Finally on the right side towards the back is a on/off slider switch.

The keyboard runs on 2 AA batteries and is supposed to give you 18 month of battery life.

There is a proper application key on the right side of the spacebar which works, but there is no Windows key on the right side which is something you don’t hardly see any more.

 

Logitech uses their own Romer-G switches and not Cherry MXswitches. The Romer-G are most like Cherry Brown, a nice distance of travel, but not hard to press and relatively quiet for mechanical keys.

They do take a bit of getting used to, but I quite like them. For those who want to read more about them, below is a link to a review from Tom’s Hardware:

 

Logitech’s Romer-G Switches – Are they any good?

 

The other nice thing about this keyboard is it’s relatively reasonable price, I paid $129.99 Canadian for it, believe I read that on a good deal you can pick it up in the US for as low as $70 US.

Wireless mechanical keyboards are not out there too much yet, I did find a couple more made by the company “Das Keyboard” but they are more expensive although I may order them from Amazon to test and if I don’t like them at least as much or better send them back. My other 2 computers at my store where I have a Logitech MK510 keyboard and mouse combo both start to show their wear on the keyboards and I want to see if using mechanical keyboards won’t change the fact that many of the keyboards which are mostly out there these days are typically done after 2 or at most 3 years of heavy use.

As with all mechanical keyboards keep in mind that the Logitech G613 is heavy compared to other non-mechanical wireless keyboards.

And one last thing which is nice, this keyboard has function keys which work as function keys out of the box and as much as I also like my K780, it’s a bit of a pain to have to install the not very accessible Logitech Options software just so you can change the function keys to behave like function keys instead of media keys.

 

 

Happy typing,

Sieghard

 


moderated Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Zel Iscel
 

Hi Maria,

 

I havven’t read the previous emails so don’t know if this has already been said but when in Chrome:

 

Press Shift+ Control + o. Then press the down arrow key until you reach the items you have bookmarked.

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

 

That's very nice but it still needs to be resolved if Chrome is not the default browser.  I can't find my new bookmarks in Chrome but only if I do a search for them.  Where the heck are they stored?  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, which I think is the case.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
 

On 7/3/2019 4:18 PM, David Kingsbury wrote:

Hello,

 

There is a nice and easy way to deal with bookmarks in Chrome, favorites in IE, etc. Personally, I think that accessing and managing bookmarks in Chrome in Firefox is very clunky. By contrast, it is extremely easy to access and manage favorites in IE.

 

If you create a desktop shortcut for your favorites folder, you can open the favorites in whatever browser you have chosen as your default. I have Chrome as my default browser, maintain all my favorites in IE, and open them from the desktop with Chrome. I make no effort to maintain bookmarks in Chrome or Firefox, And in Windows 10, it is very easy to change your default browser via the Control Panel.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: Problem with the Windows key

 

Try and see if Windows + S brings  up the search box.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem with the Windows key

 

Hello,

 

I usually press the windows key, then the letter I and then enter to get on the internet.  This evening, when I press the windows key it will not allow me to type the letter I, or any other letter for that matter.

 

Using windows 10 and Jaws 18.

 

I can’t access the internet right now so any help would be greatly appreciated …… thank you in advance.  

 

Laura

 


moderated Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for your response! I'm thinking that I may purchase a cherry Blue keyboard for my iMac at home and if it's not too noisy, I'll purchase a Windows one for work. If it's too noisy, maybe I'll look at getting a cherry brown one for work. Right now I can't afford both because we just did a whole lot of kitchen Renos so funding is a little tight!

Yes, please let me know what the cherry brown keyboard is like, if you get one.

Thanks again.

Russell

On Jul 17, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hello Russell,
 
That’s difficult to say, I guess if you are a very fast typist and if you tend to hit the keys hard you could really go to town on this keyboard and somebody who was very close by could find it distracting.
I haven’t yet gotten a Das Keyboard 4 Professional with Cherry Brown switches, but I do plan to order one just to satisfy my curiosity and see if I like it better than the one with the blue switches. Once I do I’ll let you know.
As for the Insert key, it most certainly has it because it is about as classic a keyboard as it can be regarding the keys and layout, it has a Windows key on both sides of the spacebar as well as the application key on the right and it then has the traditional inverted T arrow keys and the 6-pack of keys above that with Insert/Delete, Home/End and Page Up/Page down.
I’ll probably order another 2, one more Blue and one with Brown switches, then I’ll decide which one I like best and send the other one back. For my own office I decided for now that I will stick with the Logitech G613 primarily because it is wireless and gives me the option to easily and quickly switch to my iPhone if I need to type a longer message there. But when it comes to built quality, the media controls and strictly the typing experience the Das Keyboard wins, but the Logitech is also very good which is why the other 1 or 2 Pros are enough that I decided to keep it in the office. I guess the other test will be how both keyboards do after a year or two.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 
Hi Sieghard,
 
Would the Das Keyboard 4 Professional be okay to use in a shared work environment? I'm wondering if the clicking sound would annoy my co-workers? Is the Cherry Brown version the identical keyboard, but only quieter?


Also, one Amazon customer review said that the keyboard didn't have an Insert key. Is this true?


Thanks,


Russell



On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
 
Well, as a final note I will say that now that I received my Das Keyboard 4 Professional which is a wired mechanical keyboard without the 6 gaming keys on the side I am truly impressed. I think for a non-gamer who simply wants an awesome keyboard for typing/office use it is about as good as it gets. It has a Windows key on each side of the spacebar and a working application key and it has a beautiful volume knob and media keys. Apart from that it’s just a fantastic keyboard with a regular old-style layout, good spacing between the blocks of function keys and all that. It is made from aluminum and while it is wired, it has only 1 USB plug, but there are 2 USB ports on the back of the keyboard which for me is great because I have sighted staff so I can continue to use a wireless mouse and use 1 port to plug in the mini USB receiver so I am not actually using up more ports on the computer. For my main register computer in my store I could even use the second port to plug in the USB barcode scanner.
I chose the version with the Cherry Blue switches which make a very satisfying click and the typing experience is just superb. You can also get it with Cherry Brown switches which are quieter and a bit softer, apparently more like the Romer-G switches Logitech has developed for the G613. When I first got that keyboard and got a bit used to it I thought I really liked it, but I must say the Cherry Blue switches on the 4 Professional are really something and I think this will be my keyboard of choice even though it is quite expensive and it’s wired. The main thing I like about the G613 is the fact that it is wireless and allows me to use it on the PC with the Lightspeed USB dongle and also to connect my iPhone via Bluetooth so that a simply button push switches between the two, but that is more convenience and I may give it up for the typing experience of the Das Keyboard.
The G-keys on the G613 are nice in a way and programming them with a few macros or commands  is OK, but I don’t think I would miss them especially not if I can again get used to having a Windows key on both sides which makes keyboard shortcuts like Windows Key + 1 through 5 or 6 much more convenient since I don’t have to reach all the way across with the right hand to press either the Windows key or one of the number keys on the left.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 
Hi,
More throw? Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Does that refer to the travel of the keys as some speak of? Is this keyboard also made by Logitech? Does it also make use of a USB receiver type of apparatus and what batteries does it use? Why did you choose to have both of these keyboards? Do you have different use cases for each?
Thanks for expounding.
Robin
 
 
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 
the g-skill, looks a lot like this g613, with the same six keys down the left side, but 2 advantages; (1) you can program the macros yourself, and (2) there are three configurations you can save, e.g. if you've a set of macros in configuration one, and another in two, you save configuration three for the out-of-the-box configuration so you can have a dependable one you are sure of. I have both keyboards the g-skill 2980 and Logitech G613, and both of the setup utilities are not speech friendly except the reset function of the g-skill. I bought this g-skill from Amazon for about $80.
The way you program the macros yourself without sight is to press macro record, the key you wish to use, and then the sequence you want, and then turn macro record off. The only advantage of the software recording the macro is you can make it lightning fast, instead from direct keyboard recording is that the time and rhythms are also recorded, though it begins typing at the instant you touch, not waiting for a moment which you might have used getting your hands ready to record the macro. 
This G-skill has very nice switches in it, with more throw as such than the g613, but, again, as in any keyboard, when you switch to it, you immediately get use to it's throw.
Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA
 
curtis@...
On 7/7/2019 5:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi,
 
I thought it would be OK to post a brief review here on the Logitech G613 wireless mechanical gaming keyboard since just as myself I assume others also are always looking for the “perfect” keyboard.
This Logitech G613 “Lightspeed” wireless mechanical gaming keyboard can connect to iOS via Bluetooth and to a PC using the supplied USB receiver which then let’s you take advantage of the “Lightspeed” 1 millisecond delay which is pretty impressive (if you connect to a PC with Bluetooth this does not apply and while it’s probably still just as good as any other Bluetooth keyboard, it sort of makes sense to make the most of this keyboard’s features).
I still use my trusty Logitech K780 at home where I have it connected to my laptop via Bluetooth as well as to my iPhone and Apple TV, but I bought the G613 for my main PC at work and I must say so far it’s getting pretty close to that perfect score.
Unlike most wired mechanical gaming keyboards this does not have all the fancy RGB lighting options which of course is fine for me. The one thing I am not super fond of are the 6 F1 through fF6 function keys in a vertical column down the left side of the keyboard with maybe half an inch of space between them and the left most keys like Control, Shift, Caps Lock, Tab, ` and Escape. But I also bought a wired Logitech mechanical keyboard and it also has them, most mechanical keyboards are designed for gamers rather than people who want a mechanical keyboard for typing. It takes a bit of getting used to not accidently pressing them. gamers can configure these keys as macro keys to perform whatever actions gamers want.
Apart from that the keyboard has a very traditional layout with nice spaces between the blocks of function keys, the inverted cursor T, the 6-pack with Insert/Delete, Page Up/Down and Home/End, of course the number pad and above that it has 4 more slightly lower media keys for Play/Pause, Stop, Rewind and Forward.
At the very top is a slider switch which locks the Windows key which apparently gamers like so they don’t accidently press it and Cortana/the search box pops up, then there are two buttons which switch between the USB Lightspeed connection and the Bluetooth connection and once the Bluetooth connection to the iPhone has been established all it takes is to press the Bluetooth button in order to switch to the phone and the USB button to switch back.
On the very top right is a large key which is a volume rocker, press the left side for down and the right side for up and beside that is a Mute button. Finally on the right side towards the back is a on/off slider switch.
The keyboard runs on 2 AA batteries and is supposed to give you 18 month of battery life.
There is a proper application key on the right side of the spacebar which works, but there is no Windows key on the right side which is something you don’t hardly see any more.
 
Logitech uses their own Romer-G switches and not Cherry MXswitches. The Romer-G are most like Cherry Brown, a nice distance of travel, but not hard to press and relatively quiet for mechanical keys.
They do take a bit of getting used to, but I quite like them. For those who want to read more about them, below is a link to a review from Tom’s Hardware:
 
 
The other nice thing about this keyboard is it’s relatively reasonable price, I paid $129.99 Canadian for it, believe I read that on a good deal you can pick it up in the US for as low as $70 US.
Wireless mechanical keyboards are not out there too much yet, I did find a couple more made by the company “Das Keyboard” but they are more expensive although I may order them from Amazon to test and if I don’t like them at least as much or better send them back. My other 2 computers at my store where I have a Logitech MK510 keyboard and mouse combo both start to show their wear on the keyboards and I want to see if using mechanical keyboards won’t change the fact that many of the keyboards which are mostly out there these days are typically done after 2 or at most 3 years of heavy use.
As with all mechanical keyboards keep in mind that the Logitech G613 is heavy compared to other non-mechanical wireless keyboards.
And one last thing which is nice, this keyboard has function keys which work as function keys out of the box and as much as I also like my K780, it’s a bit of a pain to have to install the not very accessible Logitech Options software just so you can change the function keys to behave like function keys instead of media keys.
 
 
Happy typing,
Sieghard
 
 



moderated Problem with the Windows key

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

I usually press the windows key, then the letter I and then enter to get on the internet.  This evening, when I press the windows key it will not allow me to type the letter I, or any other letter for that matter.

 

Using windows 10 and Jaws 18.

 

I can’t access the internet right now so any help would be greatly appreciated …… thank you in advance.  

 

Laura

 


moderated New Dropbox Navigation

Mike B
 

Howdy All,
 
I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.
 
1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.
 
2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.
 
3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close preferences.
Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.
If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


moderated Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=where+does+the+chrome+browser+store+bookmarks
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moderated Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

 

Hello Russell,

 

That’s difficult to say, I guess if you are a very fast typist and if you tend to hit the keys hard you could really go to town on this keyboard and somebody who was very close by could find it distracting.

I haven’t yet gotten a Das Keyboard 4 Professional with Cherry Brown switches, but I do plan to order one just to satisfy my curiosity and see if I like it better than the one with the blue switches. Once I do I’ll let you know.

As for the Insert key, it most certainly has it because it is about as classic a keyboard as it can be regarding the keys and layout, it has a Windows key on both sides of the spacebar as well as the application key on the right and it then has the traditional inverted T arrow keys and the 6-pack of keys above that with Insert/Delete, Home/End and Page Up/Page down.

I’ll probably order another 2, one more Blue and one with Brown switches, then I’ll decide which one I like best and send the other one back. For my own office I decided for now that I will stick with the Logitech G613 primarily because it is wireless and gives me the option to easily and quickly switch to my iPhone if I need to type a longer message there. But when it comes to built quality, the media controls and strictly the typing experience the Das Keyboard wins, but the Logitech is also very good which is why the other 1 or 2 Pros are enough that I decided to keep it in the office. I guess the other test will be how both keyboards do after a year or two.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

Would the Das Keyboard 4 Professional be okay to use in a shared work environment? I'm wondering if the clicking sound would annoy my co-workers? Is the Cherry Brown version the identical keyboard, but only quieter?



Also, one Amazon customer review said that the keyboard didn't have an Insert key. Is this true?



Thanks,



Russell



On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

 

Well, as a final note I will say that now that I received my Das Keyboard 4 Professional which is a wired mechanical keyboard without the 6 gaming keys on the side I am truly impressed. I think for a non-gamer who simply wants an awesome keyboard for typing/office use it is about as good as it gets. It has a Windows key on each side of the spacebar and a working application key and it has a beautiful volume knob and media keys. Apart from that it’s just a fantastic keyboard with a regular old-style layout, good spacing between the blocks of function keys and all that. It is made from aluminum and while it is wired, it has only 1 USB plug, but there are 2 USB ports on the back of the keyboard which for me is great because I have sighted staff so I can continue to use a wireless mouse and use 1 port to plug in the mini USB receiver so I am not actually using up more ports on the computer. For my main register computer in my store I could even use the second port to plug in the USB barcode scanner.

I chose the version with the Cherry Blue switches which make a very satisfying click and the typing experience is just superb. You can also get it with Cherry Brown switches which are quieter and a bit softer, apparently more like the Romer-G switches Logitech has developed for the G613. When I first got that keyboard and got a bit used to it I thought I really liked it, but I must say the Cherry Blue switches on the 4 Professional are really something and I think this will be my keyboard of choice even though it is quite expensive and it’s wired. The main thing I like about the G613 is the fact that it is wireless and allows me to use it on the PC with the Lightspeed USB dongle and also to connect my iPhone via Bluetooth so that a simply button push switches between the two, but that is more convenience and I may give it up for the typing experience of the Das Keyboard.

The G-keys on the G613 are nice in a way and programming them with a few macros or commands  is OK, but I don’t think I would miss them especially not if I can again get used to having a Windows key on both sides which makes keyboard shortcuts like Windows Key + 1 through 5 or 6 much more convenient since I don’t have to reach all the way across with the right hand to press either the Windows key or one of the number keys on the left.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

 

Hi,

More throw? Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Does that refer to the travel of the keys as some speak of? Is this keyboard also made by Logitech? Does it also make use of a USB receiver type of apparatus and what batteries does it use? Why did you choose to have both of these keyboards? Do you have different use cases for each?

Thanks for expounding.

Robin

 

 

From: Curtis Delzer

Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:17 PM

Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

 

the g-skill, looks a lot like this g613, with the same six keys down the left side, but 2 advantages; (1) you can program the macros yourself, and (2) there are three configurations you can save, e.g. if you've a set of macros in configuration one, and another in two, you save configuration three for the out-of-the-box configuration so you can have a dependable one you are sure of. I have both keyboards the g-skill 2980 and Logitech G613, and both of the setup utilities are not speech friendly except the reset function of the g-skill. I bought this g-skill from Amazon for about $80.

The way you program the macros yourself without sight is to press macro record, the key you wish to use, and then the sequence you want, and then turn macro record off. The only advantage of the software recording the macro is you can make it lightning fast, instead from direct keyboard recording is that the time and rhythms are also recorded, though it begins typing at the instant you touch, not waiting for a moment which you might have used getting your hands ready to record the macro. 

This G-skill has very nice switches in it, with more throw as such than the g613, but, again, as in any keyboard, when you switch to it, you immediately get use to it's throw.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA
 
curtis@...

On 7/7/2019 5:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi,

 

I thought it would be OK to post a brief review here on the Logitech G613 wireless mechanical gaming keyboard since just as myself I assume others also are always looking for the “perfect” keyboard.

This Logitech G613 “Lightspeed” wireless mechanical gaming keyboard can connect to iOS via Bluetooth and to a PC using the supplied USB receiver which then let’s you take advantage of the “Lightspeed” 1 millisecond delay which is pretty impressive (if you connect to a PC with Bluetooth this does not apply and while it’s probably still just as good as any other Bluetooth keyboard, it sort of makes sense to make the most of this keyboard’s features).

I still use my trusty Logitech K780 at home where I have it connected to my laptop via Bluetooth as well as to my iPhone and Apple TV, but I bought the G613 for my main PC at work and I must say so far it’s getting pretty close to that perfect score.

Unlike most wired mechanical gaming keyboards this does not have all the fancy RGB lighting options which of course is fine for me. The one thing I am not super fond of are the 6 F1 through fF6 function keys in a vertical column down the left side of the keyboard with maybe half an inch of space between them and the left most keys like Control, Shift, Caps Lock, Tab, ` and Escape. But I also bought a wired Logitech mechanical keyboard and it also has them, most mechanical keyboards are designed for gamers rather than people who want a mechanical keyboard for typing. It takes a bit of getting used to not accidently pressing them. gamers can configure these keys as macro keys to perform whatever actions gamers want.

Apart from that the keyboard has a very traditional layout with nice spaces between the blocks of function keys, the inverted cursor T, the 6-pack with Insert/Delete, Page Up/Down and Home/End, of course the number pad and above that it has 4 more slightly lower media keys for Play/Pause, Stop, Rewind and Forward.

At the very top is a slider switch which locks the Windows key which apparently gamers like so they don’t accidently press it and Cortana/the search box pops up, then there are two buttons which switch between the USB Lightspeed connection and the Bluetooth connection and once the Bluetooth connection to the iPhone has been established all it takes is to press the Bluetooth button in order to switch to the phone and the USB button to switch back.

On the very top right is a large key which is a volume rocker, press the left side for down and the right side for up and beside that is a Mute button. Finally on the right side towards the back is a on/off slider switch.

The keyboard runs on 2 AA batteries and is supposed to give you 18 month of battery life.

There is a proper application key on the right side of the spacebar which works, but there is no Windows key on the right side which is something you don’t hardly see any more.

 

Logitech uses their own Romer-G switches and not Cherry MXswitches. The Romer-G are most like Cherry Brown, a nice distance of travel, but not hard to press and relatively quiet for mechanical keys.

They do take a bit of getting used to, but I quite like them. For those who want to read more about them, below is a link to a review from Tom’s Hardware:

 

 

The other nice thing about this keyboard is it’s relatively reasonable price, I paid $129.99 Canadian for it, believe I read that on a good deal you can pick it up in the US for as low as $70 US.

Wireless mechanical keyboards are not out there too much yet, I did find a couple more made by the company “Das Keyboard” but they are more expensive although I may order them from Amazon to test and if I don’t like them at least as much or better send them back. My other 2 computers at my store where I have a Logitech MK510 keyboard and mouse combo both start to show their wear on the keyboards and I want to see if using mechanical keyboards won’t change the fact that many of the keyboards which are mostly out there these days are typically done after 2 or at most 3 years of heavy use.

As with all mechanical keyboards keep in mind that the Logitech G613 is heavy compared to other non-mechanical wireless keyboards.

And one last thing which is nice, this keyboard has function keys which work as function keys out of the box and as much as I also like my K780, it’s a bit of a pain to have to install the not very accessible Logitech Options software just so you can change the function keys to behave like function keys instead of media keys.

 

 

Happy typing,

Sieghard

 

 


moderated Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Maria Campbell
 

That's very nice but it still needs to be resolved if Chrome is not the default browser.  I can't find my new bookmarks in Chrome but only if I do a search for them.  Where the heck are they stored?  I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, which I think is the case.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 7/3/2019 4:18 PM, David Kingsbury wrote:

Hello,

 

There is a nice and easy way to deal with bookmarks in Chrome, favorites in IE, etc. Personally, I think that accessing and managing bookmarks in Chrome in Firefox is very clunky. By contrast, it is extremely easy to access and manage favorites in IE.

 

If you create a desktop shortcut for your favorites folder, you can open the favorites in whatever browser you have chosen as your default. I have Chrome as my default browser, maintain all my favorites in IE, and open them from the desktop with Chrome. I make no effort to maintain bookmarks in Chrome or Firefox, And in Windows 10, it is very easy to change your default browser via the Control Panel.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: Placing Bookmark File on Desktop for Browser Use

 

But Chrome has a function under More to create a desktop shortcut and you could then manually move this shortcut into a folder.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 1:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Placing Bookmark File on Desktop for Browser Use

This won't work for Chrome of course, because it stores favourites in the registry.

But to manually add a favourite to your desktop, just create a text file, give it the extension .url, put in a URL, save it to the desktop and you're done. Your default browser will load it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: 12 July 2019 13:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Placing Bookmark File on Desktop for Browser Use

Barbara: Are you asking how to put your favorites structure on your desktop?
I think Favorites is stored under c:\users\Barbara or whatever your user name is on your system. When you're there, just hit f for Favorites, and send it to the desktop. On the desktop, find Favorites, and create the shortcut key. Now, you can create folders and subfolders to your heart's content. I certainly do. Sometimes, you find that a certain favorites should have been in another folder or subfolder than the one you originally placed it in.

Gudrun

Please note my new email of brunotgudrun@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 1:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Placing Bookmark File on Desktop for Browser Use

OK. I am not sure I was clear enough with my first inquiry. I am not copying a specific web site, but an entire folder of them. Smile.

Barbara


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 3:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Placing Bookmark File on Desktop for Browser Use

This works with amy browser, hilight the URL by doing alt-d and ctrl-a and then copy to the clipboard using ctrl-c. Now go to that favorites folder and do alt-h-w-s and paste the URL into the edit box, hit next and name the shortcut.

On Fri, 05 Jul 2019 15:13:57 -0400,
Barbara wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
[2 <text/html; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Hello David,



I like your idea below. I have been using both Firefox and Internet
Explorer. I recently installed Chrome. I placed on my desktop a link
to
the Internet Explorer Favorites list folder. So now I can use this same list for both of the browsers. However when I tried to use this with Chrome, it did not work. I got garbage for web results. Do I need to change the Favorites file format for Chrome? Is there a specific method I must use to access the desktop folder?
Some other ideas?



I am using a Windows 7 computer.



Thanks.



Barbara

Home of the 2019 Stanley Cup Champion St. Louis Blues









From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of David Kingsbury

<davidkingsbury77@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 3:18 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?



Hello,

There is a nice and easy way to deal with bookmarks in Chrome,
favorites in IE, etc. Personally,

I think that accessing and managing bookmarks in Chrome in Firefox is
very clunky. By

contrast, it is extremely easy to access and manage favorites in IE.



If you create a desktop shortcut for your favorites folder, you can
open the favorites in whatever

browser you have chosen as your default. I have Chrome as my default
browser, maintain all my

favorites in IE, and open them from the desktop with Chrome. I make no
effort to maintain

bookmarks in Chrome or Firefox, And in Windows 10, it is very easy to
change your default

browser via the Control Panel.



Regards,

David





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How do
you spend it?

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covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: How do you activate the Windows key to search for something with JAWS on a Focus keyboard?

Jay <jcoffin@...>
 

Actually, there are several ways to do this. Yes, the first way is to press dots 8 and 4 to activate this. Another way is to hold down the right shift key, located on the bottom of the display below the space bar, and pressing dot 4, or press dots 3 4 and the spacebar at the same time.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Jay.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sally Hagarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do you activate the Windows key to search for something with JAWS on a Focus keyboard?

 

Try dots 4, 8 and the spacebar to activate the Windows key.


moderated Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Sieghard,

Would the Das Keyboard 4 Professional be okay to use in a shared work environment? I'm wondering if the clicking sound would annoy my co-workers? Is the Cherry Brown version the identical keyboard, but only quieter?

Also, one Amazon customer review said that the keyboard didn't have an Insert key. Is this true?

Thanks,

Russell

On Jul 12, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Well, as a final note I will say that now that I received my Das Keyboard 4 Professional which is a wired mechanical keyboard without the 6 gaming keys on the side I am truly impressed. I think for a non-gamer who simply wants an awesome keyboard for typing/office use it is about as good as it gets. It has a Windows key on each side of the spacebar and a working application key and it has a beautiful volume knob and media keys. Apart from that it’s just a fantastic keyboard with a regular old-style layout, good spacing between the blocks of function keys and all that. It is made from aluminum and while it is wired, it has only 1 USB plug, but there are 2 USB ports on the back of the keyboard which for me is great because I have sighted staff so I can continue to use a wireless mouse and use 1 port to plug in the mini USB receiver so I am not actually using up more ports on the computer. For my main register computer in my store I could even use the second port to plug in the USB barcode scanner.
I chose the version with the Cherry Blue switches which make a very satisfying click and the typing experience is just superb. You can also get it with Cherry Brown switches which are quieter and a bit softer, apparently more like the Romer-G switches Logitech has developed for the G613. When I first got that keyboard and got a bit used to it I thought I really liked it, but I must say the Cherry Blue switches on the 4 Professional are really something and I think this will be my keyboard of choice even though it is quite expensive and it’s wired. The main thing I like about the G613 is the fact that it is wireless and allows me to use it on the PC with the Lightspeed USB dongle and also to connect my iPhone via Bluetooth so that a simply button push switches between the two, but that is more convenience and I may give it up for the typing experience of the Das Keyboard.
The G-keys on the G613 are nice in a way and programming them with a few macros or commands  is OK, but I don’t think I would miss them especially not if I can again get used to having a Windows key on both sides which makes keyboard shortcuts like Windows Key + 1 through 5 or 6 much more convenient since I don’t have to reach all the way across with the right hand to press either the Windows key or one of the number keys on the left.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 
Hi,
More throw? Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Does that refer to the travel of the keys as some speak of? Is this keyboard also made by Logitech? Does it also make use of a USB receiver type of apparatus and what batteries does it use? Why did you choose to have both of these keyboards? Do you have different use cases for each?
Thanks for expounding.
Robin
 
 
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Logitech G613 Lightspeed wireless mechanical gaming keyboard
 

the g-skill, looks a lot like this g613, with the same six keys down the left side, but 2 advantages; (1) you can program the macros yourself, and (2) there are three configurations you can save, e.g. if you've a set of macros in configuration one, and another in two, you save configuration three for the out-of-the-box configuration so you can have a dependable one you are sure of. I have both keyboards the g-skill 2980 and Logitech G613, and both of the setup utilities are not speech friendly except the reset function of the g-skill. I bought this g-skill from Amazon for about $80.

The way you program the macros yourself without sight is to press macro record, the key you wish to use, and then the sequence you want, and then turn macro record off. The only advantage of the software recording the macro is you can make it lightning fast, instead from direct keyboard recording is that the time and rhythms are also recorded, though it begins typing at the instant you touch, not waiting for a moment which you might have used getting your hands ready to record the macro. 

This G-skill has very nice switches in it, with more throw as such than the g613, but, again, as in any keyboard, when you switch to it, you immediately get use to it's throw.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA
 
curtis@...
On 7/7/2019 5:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi,
 
I thought it would be OK to post a brief review here on the Logitech G613 wireless mechanical gaming keyboard since just as myself I assume others also are always looking for the “perfect” keyboard.
This Logitech G613 “Lightspeed” wireless mechanical gaming keyboard can connect to iOS via Bluetooth and to a PC using the supplied USB receiver which then let’s you take advantage of the “Lightspeed” 1 millisecond delay which is pretty impressive (if you connect to a PC with Bluetooth this does not apply and while it’s probably still just as good as any other Bluetooth keyboard, it sort of makes sense to make the most of this keyboard’s features).
I still use my trusty Logitech K780 at home where I have it connected to my laptop via Bluetooth as well as to my iPhone and Apple TV, but I bought the G613 for my main PC at work and I must say so far it’s getting pretty close to that perfect score.
Unlike most wired mechanical gaming keyboards this does not have all the fancy RGB lighting options which of course is fine for me. The one thing I am not super fond of are the 6 F1 through fF6 function keys in a vertical column down the left side of the keyboard with maybe half an inch of space between them and the left most keys like Control, Shift, Caps Lock, Tab, ` and Escape. But I also bought a wired Logitech mechanical keyboard and it also has them, most mechanical keyboards are designed for gamers rather than people who want a mechanical keyboard for typing. It takes a bit of getting used to not accidently pressing them. gamers can configure these keys as macro keys to perform whatever actions gamers want.
Apart from that the keyboard has a very traditional layout with nice spaces between the blocks of function keys, the inverted cursor T, the 6-pack with Insert/Delete, Page Up/Down and Home/End, of course the number pad and above that it has 4 more slightly lower media keys for Play/Pause, Stop, Rewind and Forward.
At the very top is a slider switch which locks the Windows key which apparently gamers like so they don’t accidently press it and Cortana/the search box pops up, then there are two buttons which switch between the USB Lightspeed connection and the Bluetooth connection and once the Bluetooth connection to the iPhone has been established all it takes is to press the Bluetooth button in order to switch to the phone and the USB button to switch back.
On the very top right is a large key which is a volume rocker, press the left side for down and the right side for up and beside that is a Mute button. Finally on the right side towards the back is a on/off slider switch.
The keyboard runs on 2 AA batteries and is supposed to give you 18 month of battery life.
There is a proper application key on the right side of the spacebar which works, but there is no Windows key on the right side which is something you don’t hardly see any more.
 
Logitech uses their own Romer-G switches and not Cherry MXswitches. The Romer-G are most like Cherry Brown, a nice distance of travel, but not hard to press and relatively quiet for mechanical keys.
They do take a bit of getting used to, but I quite like them. For those who want to read more about them, below is a link to a review from Tom’s Hardware:
 
 
The other nice thing about this keyboard is it’s relatively reasonable price, I paid $129.99 Canadian for it, believe I read that on a good deal you can pick it up in the US for as low as $70 US.
Wireless mechanical keyboards are not out there too much yet, I did find a couple more made by the company “Das Keyboard” but they are more expensive although I may order them from Amazon to test and if I don’t like them at least as much or better send them back. My other 2 computers at my store where I have a Logitech MK510 keyboard and mouse combo both start to show their wear on the keyboards and I want to see if using mechanical keyboards won’t change the fact that many of the keyboards which are mostly out there these days are typically done after 2 or at most 3 years of heavy use.
As with all mechanical keyboards keep in mind that the Logitech G613 is heavy compared to other non-mechanical wireless keyboards.
And one last thing which is nice, this keyboard has function keys which work as function keys out of the box and as much as I also like my K780, it’s a bit of a pain to have to install the not very accessible Logitech Options software just so you can change the function keys to behave like function keys instead of media keys.
 
 
Happy typing,
Sieghard
 



moderated Re: How do you activate the Windows key to search for something with JAWS on a Focus keyboard?

Sally Hagarty
 

Try dots 4, 8 and the spacebar to activate the Windows key.


moderated Re: Problems with edit boxes in latest Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

The only work around for now, is to download Chrome Canary, which is the very latest beta version.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: 14 July 2019 14:12
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problems with edit boxes in latest Chrome

Hi,


I am running the latest Chrome browser with the latest version of Jaws on the latest version of Windows 10. I find that when I go in to an edit box, I cannot arrow around to review what I've written. This action often takes me out of the field and to the next or previous parts of the web page, depending on which arrows I press. It just started doing this recently.


this does not happen with Firefox or IE11 or even Edge.


Is there a work around for this? Changing forms options in Jaws seems to have no effect.


Thanks,

~Ann

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