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moderated Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 

As much as you may not like this answer, there may not be a good solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and then open your program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row
2. Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + Shift + D
3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the search box, then tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, ReadingUse Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--


moderated Re: Posting a comment to FB

The Iowa Gal <iowagal728@...>
 

Hi, thanks for the comment but if you read my initial post carefully it will explain in detail what I’m trying to do and what I tried to do it. But it’s all good now.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Posting a comment to FB

 

Hi.

Not sure, the post  button is right there for me, though it’s labelled “comment button”. Perhaps facebook is temporarily broken for you. They have a number of servers and they’re not all always fully functional at the same time. If you tab once from the field you type into m.facebook.com though to leave a comment, you should normally find that button immediately using firefox.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Iowa Gal
Sent: July 1, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Posting a comment to FB

 

Hi group,

 

Using current Jaws with Firefox, Brave and I.E. I received a message saying I was mentioned in a comment. I use the link to go to FB but after I write my comment, I am unable to find a button to post. I see buttons for inserting an emoji, attaching a photo, posting a GIF or sticker only. I couldn’t even find the string on the mobile site. What am I missing here? Looking forward to someone ending my struggle…

 

Thanks,

Norma


moderated Re: JAWS and NVDA

Dan Longmore
 

Well said. 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and NVDA

 

What has been pointed out by the two prior correspondents, that this question is too vast to be tidily answered, and that the answers are entirely based on what one is trying to accomplish and under what specific circumstances, are both absolutely true.

I tutor JAWS but have never owned it (other than to have a copy in 40-minute mode) because of its expense.  I used (and still use) NVDA often when I'm even trying to figure out something for one of my JAWS clients, as the overlap is extensive and once you know where the differences lie "translation" between the command set for the two is not all that difficult.

With the introduction of Narrator, and the amount of work Microsoft has been putting into it (and is continuing to do so) there is definitely a "new kid on the block" for Windows 10 (and I think Windows 8.1) users as well.

Invariably there are situations where one screen reader "plays better" with a given application, website, etc., than another does.  You may only be able to be fully proficient with one, but it's not that difficult to get basically proficient with others, and it's distinctly to your advantage to do so.
--

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moderated Re: JAWS and NVDA

 

What has been pointed out by the two prior correspondents, that this question is too vast to be tidily answered, and that the answers are entirely based on what one is trying to accomplish and under what specific circumstances, are both absolutely true.

I tutor JAWS but have never owned it (other than to have a copy in 40-minute mode) because of its expense.  I used (and still use) NVDA often when I'm even trying to figure out something for one of my JAWS clients, as the overlap is extensive and once you know where the differences lie "translation" between the command set for the two is not all that difficult.

With the introduction of Narrator, and the amount of work Microsoft has been putting into it (and is continuing to do so) there is definitely a "new kid on the block" for Windows 10 (and I think Windows 8.1) users as well.

Invariably there are situations where one screen reader "plays better" with a given application, website, etc., than another does.  You may only be able to be fully proficient with one, but it's not that difficult to get basically proficient with others, and it's distinctly to your advantage to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

       ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: JAWS and NVDA

Tanguy LOHEAC
 

Hello Anna

To my personal experience I would say that NVDA fills most of your needs for home use. I mean if you use your computer just for mailing, basic word processing and media playing, that's good. But honnestly, i perosnnaly use both depending on the situation. There are cases where NVDA can detect things that Jaws doesn't and vice-versa. For example, on Windows 10 modern apps, NVDA makes the job better than Jaws. But on the Internet, I prefer using Jaws because it is smarter in rendering content.

For professional use,  to my opinion, Jaws is far more powerful, typically when you have to use dedicated job apps that are more and more web based applciations, or simply for using with Powerpoint..


But all of this is only my own point of view.

Tanguy

Le 29/06/2019 à 01:32, Anna Givens a écrit :

Good evening,

I’m wondering if someone could tell me about the differences between JAWS and NVDA. I know NVDA is free and JAWS is not. I’m wondering why people choose JAWS, and what NVDA is good for. Commonalities, differences, preferences, etc.

Thanks so much,
Anna E


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moderated Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Gudrun Brunot
 

Amen to that. I still use IE. I have Chrome as my default, but, when that
frustrates me, I got back to ol' IE.

Gudrun

Please note my new email of brunotgudrun@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Don't give up on IE yet. It will occasionally work when others wont do what
you need them too. The truth is you need multiple browsers because each will
work in a situation where the others wont. the new Chromium based Edge is
pretty good. I use it as my default browser and use IE and Firefox on
occasion. There will never be a single work on every webpage browser for us.

Vivaldi is not nearly as easy to use as advertised and I haven't tried water
fox or Brave but I will be after reading this.





On 6/26/2019 1:07 PM, James Gashel wrote:


Hi all:



Please post your recommendations of what you think is the best web
browser to use with the latest version of JAWS. I seem to go back and forth
on this and would like to settle down and really learn using what folks
think is best.



Thanks.





Best,



James Gashel



M: (808) 234-9259

E: jgashel0923@... <mailto:jgashel0923@...>



Connect with me on FaceBook <https://www.facebook.com/james.gashel>
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moderated Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

l. radical
 

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days
ago i upgrade to windows 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How
ever when i load the same programm in the new operating system the
jaws does not read any content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I
am able to read only the top and the bottom of the window. Any
recomentation for a solution is wellcome and thanks for any
assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--


moderated Re: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi all: I actually do alt-d to highlight the url in the address bar;
copy it to the clipboard. If I'm on a hunt for something and want to save a
few addresses as bookmark; I have a notepad file open. If I need to; ai
write som e identifier above the url; apst it in on its own line below the
identifier. When I have the ones I want to put into favorites; I call up old
Internet Explorer and do control-o; paste in the url; then alt-a to grab
that as a favorite. I do the same with the ones I've caught with Crome. So;
basically; I'm still using IE--instead of getting a third-party favorites
manager. I just can't stand not having my favorites conveniently available
on my hard drive ready to grab sith my hotkey anywhere. Yes; it may not be
the fastest way imaginable; but it works and I get the favorites where I
want them and can move them into their proper folder/subfolder to my heart's
content.

Gudrun

Please note my new email of brunotgudrun@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 6:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: bookmarks chrome RE: best web browser to use with JAWS?

But no way to actually organize them in folders like IE? What will happen if
I import all my folders from IE?

Sharon





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?



Hi Sharron,



I actually found bookmarks the hardest transition when I first moved from IE
to chrome, but now use chrome all the time and almost never use IE any more.
One tip I can give regarding bookmarks which I found really helpful with
Chrome is there is a key combination to quickly access bookmarks in a list
similar to how IE displays them. If you press and hold ALT and then press F
(it should say context menu at this stage), then release alt and f, press b
(it should say something like bookmarks sub menu), simply press right cursor
key and you're in the list of bookmarks. I realised As I wrote that it
actually sounds more complicated than it actually is , but I do find this
key stroke a really quick and easy way of accessing bookmarks in chrome.
Hope that helps.



Paul



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 27 June 2019 10:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?



What do you mean as menus being quite as deep as? I'm confused about
bookmarks for example in both Firefox and Google Chrome. IE is so simple. I
don't know what I'm missing here.

Sharon



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?



I don't think there is one best web browser. The chromium-based ones are
okay, although I try to avoid actual google chrome because of its spying.
I'd much rather use brave it blocks ads and lets me read things where other
browsers just say you have to subscribe or allow ads. I like firefox for
the fact that its menus aren't buried quite as deep as chromium-based
browsers. Other than the menus they all basically work the same, so there
really is no reason to restrict yourself to only using one browser.





On 6/26/2019 15:07, James Gashel wrote:

Hi all:



Please post your recommendations of what you think is the best web
browser to use with the latest version of JAWS. I seem to go back and forth
on this and would like to settle down and really learn using what folks
think is best.



Thanks.





Best,



James Gashel



M: (808) 234-9259

E: jgashel0923@... <mailto:jgashel0923@...>



Connect with me on FaceBook <https://www.facebook.com/james.gashel>
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moderated Re: Excel Formula

Gudrun Brunot
 

John,: If you want to make sure, use the ASCII characters alt-8220 for open
quote, alt-8221 for close quotes.

Gudrun

Please note my new email of brunotgudrun@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Formula

How do you type these smart quotes?

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:57:34 -0400,
Mario wrote:

left quotes and right quotes ar smart quotes. for example, left quote,
I said that, right quote. the quotes are rarely referred to as curly
quotes.
the left quote is actually like or close to a smaller left parenthesis
with a water droplet on the top half of the symbol pointing down, and
the right quote is a smaller version of the right parenthesis with a
water droplet at the bottom half of the symbol pointing up. in both
symbols, the water droplet is a part of the left or right small
parenthesis.
the concept is, the left quote marks the opening to what someone said,
and the right quote is the closing of what someone said.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 12:30 PM
Subject: Excel Formula

So Mario, which one has smart quotes?

Jaws speaks them the same to me.

Richard


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Formula

the smart quotes instead of strait quotes makes the difference.
crazy, isn't it? but true, watch out for these idiosyncrasies.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 12:02 PM
Subject: Excel Formula

I'm not sure why Russell's instructions didn't work for me, but I did
the following and it worked.
In b101: =COUNTIF(B2:B100,"Yes")
IN b102, =COUNTA(B2:B100)
In b103, =B101/B102

To test this, I put a Yes in b2 and No in b100.
I got 1 as the result of yes's, 2 in the result for number of cells
with data in b102, and .50 in b103 which then switching the number
type to percent, got 50.00. I did not bother changing the decimal
places from the default.

HTH,
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Formula

Hi Steve,

Let's say you have Yes or no in cells B2 to B100. In cell B101, or
wherever you wish, type the formula, CountIf(B2:B100,"Yes").
This will give you the number of cells with "Yes" in them.
Then, in B102, or whoever you wish, type the formula,
=CountA(B2:B100)
Note the letter "A" after "Count" in the above formula.
This will give you the total number of cells in column B that have data.
Now, to calculate the percentage of cells with "Yes" in them, in cell
B103, or wherever, type the formula,
=B101/B102
You are dividing the number of "Yes" by the total number of cells with
data.
You will get a number like 0.67 or something like that. Press CTRL + 1
while in that cell and change the number formatting to Percentage,
choose the number of decimal places you wish to show, and tab to OK.

Hope this helps.

Russell


On Jun 25, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Steve & Shannon Cook
<cookcafe@...<mailto:cookcafe@...>> wrote:

Hi All,

Using Excel 2016, Windows 10 and the current version of JAWS. I have
an Excel sheet in column A I have the task a person must perform. In
Column B I will answer yes or no if they can perform the task. Here
is my issue, I want to create a formula at the bottom of column B to
determine if they answered yes to 80% of the questions. I would
greatly appreciate your assistance!

Steve

















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moderated Re: JAWS and NVDA

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

That is a vast question. The more we know about what applications you use, what your aspirations are, and what your experience is, the more useful information we can give. JAWS is more often used in employment settings. Some say NVDA is better on the web, I don't know enough to make that comparison. JAWS is somewhat more configurable, with more settings. But NVDA is a very viable program now, and if you do not need JAWS for work, NVDA may well meet your needs. It is free, but they always ask their users for optional contributions of money.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Anna Givens
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:33 PM
To: Jaws Users <jaws-users-list@...>; Jaws List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: JAWS and NVDA

Good evening,

I’m wondering if someone could tell me about the differences between JAWS and NVDA. I know NVDA is free and JAWS is not. I’m wondering why people choose JAWS, and what NVDA is good for. Commonalities, differences, preferences, etc.

Thanks so much,
Anna E


moderated Customer Relationship Management Program (CRM)

Kevin Stone <kevinstone65@...>
 

Hi, has anyone used a program called Act with jaws? 

 

Kevin


moderated JAWS and NVDA

Anna Givens
 

Good evening,

I’m wondering if someone could tell me about the differences between JAWS and NVDA. I know NVDA is free and JAWS is not. I’m wondering why people choose JAWS, and what NVDA is good for. Commonalities, differences, preferences, etc.

Thanks so much,
Anna E


moderated Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

Loy
 


This does not work for me, is there something in JAWS  to change to make this work?
 

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

The OP explained in the very first post why this wasn’t what he was after.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: June 28, 2019 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

                Good afternoon listers; insert plus f4 unloads jaws, alt plus control plus jay restarts him.  I do not understand anything about command lines and such, but just use the two key strokes I mentioned above and you will be good to go.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Why use such a complicate method to do something one can do with the single keystroke, Jaws Key + F4.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 5:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi,

You can kill JAWS by executing the taskkill command:

taskkill /IM "jfw.exe" /f

 

The problem with this approach is that you will also need to kill all of JAWS' child processes. When I have some time I'll go through task manager and see all of the different processes that JAWS has. You would use taskkill to kill them off one by one before restarting JAWS.

 

You also need to be running an elevated command prompt to execute taskkill.

 

If done successfully, here is what the output looks like:

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.175]
(c) 2019 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>taskkill /IM "jfw.exe" /f
SUCCESS: The process "jfw.exe" with PID 8856 has been terminated.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>

On 6/28/2019 8:31 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:

I googled JAWS command Line Options and didn’t get anything that seemed helpful.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Dean,

My objective is to make Jaws restart seemlessly so that users are not forced to deal with keystrokes. Some of my cleints get nervous and lose self-trust when its time to shutdown jaws and restart it manually.

Since this process is used when installing Jaws (automatically restart when install is complete), i thought there was a command line that could do the job.

Tanguy

Le 28/06/2019 à 14:05, Dean Martineau a écrit :

                Why not use the Keyboard Manager and assign a new hotkey to the ShutDownJAWS script?  We go through this sort of thing in the forthcoming windows Keyboard Power User Guide book. You could add a keystroke like, perhaps, shift+ctrl+z, or some other keystroke that you can remember, that doesn’t use a JAWSKey, and that isn’t used by other programs you’re using, so that you can use it to do what we do with JAWSKey+F4.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Peter

thank you. However my initial was about Jaws restart, not Windows.

Nevertheless this would be helpful in other circumstances.

thank you

Le 28/06/2019 à 13:36, Peter Tesar a écrit :

Hello,

 

I have this DOS command in my desktop shortcut.

 

   C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00

 

the 's is for shutdown, -r is for reboot

the -f is for force (It doesn't work as well as it did in Win7

The -t is the time to wait -- 0 mili seconds

 

The command shutdown.exe might work without the path.

You could move the shutdown.exe file to your root directory.

 

Peter T.

 

 

On 6/28/2019 4:53 AM, Tanguy LOHEAC wrote:

Hello all

Do you know any command line that can force jaws to restart?

This is because i'm using a program on my laptop that disables the Jaws key. And th only way to restore it is to restart Jaws. But i wish i could write a batch file that would make it automatically after this program has been run.

thank you for any suggestions

 

Have a nice day

Tanguy

 


moderated Re: [External] Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

NFB Lab 4
 

There is a shortcut key that will do the same thing. Insert windows F4 will shut down and restart jaws


On Jun 28, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Tanguy. Insert plus F4 only quits JAWS. Winkey plus INSERT plus F4 quits JAWS and restarts it, as well as reporting any errors to Vispero.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

i I didn't know this command. How different is it from Insert+F4?

Le 28/06/2019 à 16:03, Cook, Steve a écrit :

Have you tried the JAWS dump command?  Insert Windows key and F4

 

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Dean,

My objective is to make Jaws restart seemlessly so that users are not forced to deal with keystrokes. Some of my cleints get nervous and lose self-trust when its time to shutdown jaws and restart it manually.

Since this process is used when installing Jaws (automatically restart when install is complete), i thought there was a command line that could do the job.

Tanguy

Le 28/06/2019 à 14:05, Dean Martineau a écrit :

                Why not use the Keyboard Manager and assign a new hotkey to the ShutDownJAWS script?  We go through this sort of thing in the forthcoming windows Keyboard Power User Guide book. You could add a keystroke like, perhaps, shift+ctrl+z, or some other keystroke that you can remember, that doesn’t use a JAWSKey, and that isn’t used by other programs you’re using, so that you can use it to do what we do with JAWSKey+F4.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Peter

thank you. However my initial was about Jaws restart, not Windows.

Nevertheless this would be helpful in other circumstances.

thank you

Le 28/06/2019 à 13:36, Peter Tesar a écrit :

Hello,

 

I have this DOS command in my desktop shortcut.

 

   C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00

 

the 's is for shutdown, -r is for reboot

the -f is for force (It doesn't work as well as it did in Win7

The -t is the time to wait -- 0 mili seconds

 

The command shutdown.exe might work without the path.

You could move the shutdown.exe file to your root directory.

 

Peter T.

 

 

On 6/28/2019 4:53 AM, Tanguy LOHEAC wrote:

Hello all

Do you know any command line that can force jaws to restart?

This is because i'm using a program on my laptop that disables the Jaws key. And th only way to restore it is to restart Jaws. But i wish i could write a batch file that would make it automatically after this program has been run.

thank you for any suggestions

 

Have a nice day

Tanguy

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moderated Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Randy Barnett
 

I will keep this in mind and give 16 a try if i have any issues.

On 7/1/2019 2:16 PM, dennis wrote:

i use jaws 16 with 2019. i never had luck with 17 or 18. 16 is a very solid backup for me, specially with older programs. for example, avast does not work with 2019. i have to use jaws 16.

On 7/1/2019 4:12 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
I have some programs for my work that will not work with anything later than jaws 17... They are criticle to my work and I cant go without them. For the same reason my work PC is still running win 7 with jaws 17 for some programs and jaws 2019 for general use.
Dreading the day they stop working with Jaws and windows... NVDA may be  in my future... No guaranty of this working in the future either.
On 6/28/2019 4:35 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 


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moderated Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?

dennis
 

i use jaws 16 with 2019. i never had luck with 17 or 18. 16 is a very solid backup for me, specially with older programs. for example, avast does not work with 2019. i have to use jaws 16.

On 7/1/2019 4:12 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
I have some programs for my work that will not work with anything later than jaws 17... They are criticle to my work and I cant go without them. For the same reason my work PC is still running win 7 with jaws 17 for some programs and jaws 2019 for general use.
Dreading the day they stop working with Jaws and windows... NVDA may be  in my future... No guaranty of this working in the future either.
On 6/28/2019 4:35 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 


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Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: best web browser to use with JAWS?

Randy Barnett
 

I have some programs for my work that will not work with anything later than jaws 17... They are criticle to my work and I cant go without them. For the same reason my work PC is still running win 7 with jaws 17 for some programs and jaws 2019 for general use.
Dreading the day they stop working with Jaws and windows... NVDA may be  in my future... No guaranty of this working in the future either.

On 6/28/2019 4:35 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 



moderated Re: Jaws Convenient OCr doesn't work either.

 

As I said, did you set up your scanner? Might want to call FS support since I definitely know this works for others who have compatible scanners.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws Convenient OCr doesn't work either.

i take it back.
the Jaws Convenient OCr only works with files. i haven't tried it on web pages.
but the Jaws Convenient OCr doesn't work either on my scanner.
it just says it could not detect text. even though the scanner head doesn't even move. the same with picture smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: netbat66 via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

yes it does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

Does the same scanner work with Jaws Convenient OCr?
I currently only have two Fujitsu Scansnap scanners at my business and they don't support TWAIN so I don't think I can use them with Openbook or Jaws Convenient OCR, but I am pretty sure you first have to somehow set up or select your scanner for it to work with Jaws Convenient OCR or Picture Smart.
Also, here is some information about Picture Smart in case others have problems with it:

To use Picture Smart, the "submit annonymous usage data" option must be enabled in Settings Center. This sends encrypted information to Freedom Scientific. The images from Picture Smart are then submitted to the various services (such as Microsoft and Google) which analyze the images and returns the descriptions back to us. These descriptions are then displayed in the Results Viewer. If you attempt to use Picture Smart and this setting is off, a message displays prompting you to turn it on.
Note: Picture Smart is currently only available while in the English Language UI of JAWS and Fusion as the services that perform the image analysis do not currently support international languages for descriptions of images. For users of localized versions of JAWS running in versions of Windows other than English, you must switch the JAWS UI language to English to try out this feature. We plan to make Picture Smart available in more languages in the future as these services continue to expand to include additional languages.

If you actually have physical photos I guess you can always scan and save a picture as a PDF or JPG file and then use Picture Smart to recognize the image file.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

it fails when i try to use the del all in one scanner to detect pictures.
it works on picture files.
all it does is say it failed to detect text. but the scanner doesn't even move.
the same scanner works with openbook and the windows paint program.


-----Original Message-----
From: Munawar Bijani
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

What error message do you get?
On 7/1/2019 1:42 PM, netbat66 wrote:
in my case the picture smart fails every time i tried to use it. not
very smart.
i gave up trying to figure out how to get it to work.

-----Original Message----- From: Shankar C
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How can I get information about a graphic on a webpage?

as for as my concern, if its just a image/graphic, you may use the
picture smart to read the information provided in the graphics.
but, if the graphic contains the link, you may expand and perform the
picture smart.


On 7/1/19, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
Hi!



I am using JAWS 2019, Windows 7 and Firefox. Suppose I have the
virtual cursor on a graphic on a webpage. Is there some JAWS
keystroke I can press that will tell me some basic information about
the graphic, such as its dimensions?



Thanks,

Richard





moderated Jaws Convenient OCr doesn't work either.

netbat66
 

i take it back.
the Jaws Convenient OCr only works with files. i haven't tried it on web pages.
but the Jaws Convenient OCr doesn't work either on my scanner.
it just says it could not detect text. even though the scanner head doesn't even move. the same with picture smart.

-----Original Message-----
From: netbat66 via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

yes it does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

Does the same scanner work with Jaws Convenient OCr?
I currently only have two Fujitsu Scansnap scanners at my business and they
don't support TWAIN so I don't think I can use them with Openbook or Jaws
Convenient OCR, but I am pretty sure you first have to somehow set up or select
your scanner for it to work with Jaws Convenient OCR or Picture Smart.
Also, here is some information about Picture Smart in case others have problems
with it:

To use Picture Smart, the "submit annonymous usage data" option must be enabled
in Settings Center. This sends encrypted information to Freedom Scientific. The
images from Picture Smart are then submitted to the various services (such as
Microsoft and Google) which analyze the images and returns the descriptions
back to us. These descriptions are then displayed in the Results Viewer. If you
attempt to use Picture Smart and this setting is off, a message displays
prompting you to turn it on.
Note: Picture Smart is currently only available while in the English Language
UI of JAWS and Fusion as the services that perform the image analysis do not
currently support international languages for descriptions of images. For users
of localized versions of JAWS running in versions of Windows other than
English, you must switch the JAWS UI language to English to try out this
feature. We plan to make Picture Smart available in more languages in the
future as these services continue to expand to include additional languages.

If you actually have physical photos I guess you can always scan and save a
picture as a PDF or JPG file and then use Picture Smart to recognize the image
file.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

it fails when i try to use the del all in one scanner to detect pictures.
it works on picture files.
all it does is say it failed to detect text. but the scanner doesn't even move.
the same scanner works with openbook and the windows paint program.


-----Original Message-----
From: Munawar Bijani
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

What error message do you get?
On 7/1/2019 1:42 PM, netbat66 wrote:
in my case the picture smart fails every time i tried to use it. not
very smart.
i gave up trying to figure out how to get it to work.

-----Original Message----- From: Shankar C
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How can I get information about a graphic on a webpage?

as for as my concern, if its just a image/graphic, you may use the
picture smart to read the information provided in the graphics.
but, if the graphic contains the link, you may expand and perform the
picture smart.


On 7/1/19, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
Hi!



I am using JAWS 2019, Windows 7 and Firefox. Suppose I have the
virtual cursor on a graphic on a webpage. Is there some JAWS
keystroke I can press that will tell me some basic information about
the graphic, such as its dimensions?



Thanks,

Richard





moderated Re: picture smart has never worked.

netbat66
 

yes it does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

Does the same scanner work with Jaws Convenient OCr?
I currently only have two Fujitsu Scansnap scanners at my business and they don't support TWAIN so I don't think I can use them with Openbook or Jaws Convenient OCR, but I am pretty sure you first have to somehow set up or select your scanner for it to work with Jaws Convenient OCR or Picture Smart.
Also, here is some information about Picture Smart in case others have problems with it:

To use Picture Smart, the "submit annonymous usage data" option must be enabled in Settings Center. This sends encrypted information to Freedom Scientific. The images from Picture Smart are then submitted to the various services (such as Microsoft and Google) which analyze the images and returns the descriptions back to us. These descriptions are then displayed in the Results Viewer. If you attempt to use Picture Smart and this setting is off, a message displays prompting you to turn it on.
Note: Picture Smart is currently only available while in the English Language UI of JAWS and Fusion as the services that perform the image analysis do not currently support international languages for descriptions of images. For users of localized versions of JAWS running in versions of Windows other than English, you must switch the JAWS UI language to English to try out this feature. We plan to make Picture Smart available in more languages in the future as these services continue to expand to include additional languages.

If you actually have physical photos I guess you can always scan and save a picture as a PDF or JPG file and then use Picture Smart to recognize the image file.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

it fails when i try to use the del all in one scanner to detect pictures.
it works on picture files.
all it does is say it failed to detect text. but the scanner doesn't even move.
the same scanner works with openbook and the windows paint program.


-----Original Message-----
From: Munawar Bijani
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: picture smart has never worked.

What error message do you get?
On 7/1/2019 1:42 PM, netbat66 wrote:
in my case the picture smart fails every time i tried to use it. not
very smart.
i gave up trying to figure out how to get it to work.

-----Original Message----- From: Shankar C
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How can I get information about a graphic on a webpage?

as for as my concern, if its just a image/graphic, you may use the
picture smart to read the information provided in the graphics.
but, if the graphic contains the link, you may expand and perform the
picture smart.


On 7/1/19, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
Hi!



I am using JAWS 2019, Windows 7 and Firefox. Suppose I have the
virtual cursor on a graphic on a webpage. Is there some JAWS
keystroke I can press that will tell me some basic information about
the graphic, such as its dimensions?



Thanks,

Richard