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moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Dan Longmore
 

Rt you’re right on it’s not your PC. It’s the latest version of JAWS 2019. FS does not seem to have any answers. But at least it reboots as annoying as it is. 
 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of James Homuth <james@...>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?
 

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?



On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Well hell. I suppose if that’s my only complaint it could be worse, but man is that going to annoy me.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June-24-19 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

No, there is no way to disable the auto restart thing.


On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

No, there is no way to disable the auto restart thing.

On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 



On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 



On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Using Skype

 

You definitely want the desktop version, current  is Skype 8.46.

Jaws has pretty good support for Skype without third party scripts and in the “What’s new in Jaws 2019” there is a section about Skype support which lists some of the keyboard shortcuts you get with the Jaws scripts.

Just do a virtual find for “Skype” or go through the sections with the quick nav key for heading level 3.

 

Furthermore, Brian Hartgen has done a Skype course and you can purchase a recorded version which includes additional scripts for approx. $42 US.

For this you get three 60 minute or so sessions as well as the scripts.

The course is called “Reach for the Skype.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Skype

 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin


moderated Re: Using Skype

The Iowa Gal <iowagal728@...>
 

Hi Justin,

 

If you  are using Jaws, I encourage you to read the info about Skype in the Jaws help. It will tell you what version of Skype to get to work best with Jaws and I believe also has keystrokes for basic commands.

If you’re not using Jaws, I would advise you download and install Skype for Desktop. This is what Jaws recommends and I would think it would be the version best suited for use with screen readers.

 

HTH

Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Skype

 

Dear friend, first of all, there is no accessibility issue using Skype Electron with screen readers.

For more information, feel free to visit:

www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skypeelectron.htm

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

arguing with a woman is just like reading software’s lisence agreement.

At the end you ignore Her everything  and click I agree button.

You can contact me via gmail:

inamuddin09@...

outlook:

inam092@...

yahoo:

inamuddin2010@...

AOL:

charlsdarwin1969@...

Join me with my Skype ID:

charlsdarwin1

See me on facebook:

www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter:

www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Mobile phone:

+92-334-3348409

Google voice:

+1-631-5335683

 

 

From: Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Skype

 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin

 


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

That is not how I understood it. I know this may not be the original message, but at one point he said :

At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the command window if run as administrator.
If I virtualize the window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing

He says "Jaws cursor reads nothing" and that is not my experience or that of many others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

The original question was why isn't it reading it automatically...

On Jun 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar
Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...










moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

Exactly, as soon as I type IPConfig and press enter I press the control key to silence speech, then I press page up and I can down arrow and review the information line by line. When I use this command I am usually interested in the IP address of my system on the local network so why would I sit there and listen to all that stuff I have no interest in.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...






moderated Re: Using Skype

inamuddin khan
 

Dear friend, first of all, there is no accessibility issue using Skype Electron with screen readers.

For more information, feel free to visit:

www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skypeelectron.htm

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

arguing with a woman is just like reading software’s lisence agreement.

At the end you ignore Her everything  and click I agree button.

You can contact me via gmail:

inamuddin09@...

outlook:

inam092@...

yahoo:

inamuddin2010@...

AOL:

charlsdarwin1969@...

Join me with my Skype ID:

charlsdarwin1

See me on facebook:

www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter:

www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Mobile phone:

+92-334-3348409

Google voice:

+1-631-5335683

 

 

From: Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Skype

 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin

 


moderated Using Skype

Justin Mcdevitt
 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing while using jaws

Melissa Stott
 

I’m also having this issue with the mail app closing.  I’ve had to reopen it a couple of times.

 

Melissa

 

From: marvin kotler
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing while using jaws

 

Good morning listers; running jaws 2019 and windows 1903.  Windows mail keeps closing on me using jaws; nvda reads the mail fine.  If anyone knows what is going on and how to fix this, would appreciate hearing about it.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

The original question was why isn't it reading it automatically...

On Jun 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...










moderated Re: Question: How to Use the On Screen Keyboard with JAWS

David Goldfield
 

Hello, again.

I am now able to get the on-screen keyboard to appear. For whatever reason it was not appearing at the time when I first wrote this message but I can now get it to work. I am still noticing some problems, however, and wonder if others have noticed this, as well.

First, I always have to double-tap the letter in order for it to be entered. What I want is for the letter or character to be entered as soon as I lift my finger off of the screen. I have found the setting which adjusts this mode from within Settings Center but this setting is not being respected and I am uncertain as to why.

Also, the characters and words are not being echoed as they are being entered, in spite of the fact that I have it set to do so in Settings Center under the Touch Navigation section. Does anybody know why this might be?


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 6/23/2019 10:19 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. I'm running JAWS 2019 using Windows 10 build 1803 on a Dell Lattitude 2-in-1 device with a touch screen, along with a detachable keyboard.

I have been asked to deliver a demo regarding the touch screen gestures used by JAWS. As I make my way through the relevant help topic in the JAWS help system I am having little difficulty with most of the gestures, except for one. I am not able to invoke the on-screen keyboard using the four finger swipe down/up gesture. At first I had wondered if the on-screen keyboard would not be available if the physical keyboard was attached. However, even after removing the keyboard the gesture still doesn't work. I have so far tried doing this in Word 365 and in Wordpad. What's the secret to accessing the on-screen keyboard? Should it not work in Word and in Wordpad? I welcome any feedback from any users who have experience with this.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


moderated Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Kevin Minor
 

Hi Bill.

I really appreciate all the information you've given me concerning the ElBraille. I've done some thinking, however, and I think a laptop is a better solution with the Focus. The reason I say this is I have things hooked up to my laptop via USB, such as two sound cards and a large external drive. One thing I like about the Focus Blue is just that, that you can pair it with a PC over blue tooth and totally control it from the Perkins keyboard. In my case, this would be more portable than having the ElBraille with cables running from it to my devices. Also, for me, the Focus 40 5th Gen is half the cost of it and the ElBraille, so for now I'll just settle for the display.

Thank you again for all the information you've shared. It's very much appreciated, and if you have any ideas on how I could have the ElBraille and not all the cables hooked to it while I'm wearing it around my neck, I'd appreciate learning about them.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Kevin, I just read a fairly new article that reviews the newest ElBraille focus 40 blue generation 5 (part of the transcript up to how much the processor part of the ElBraille costs). Yes, a complete unit would be about $5,700, but the processor alone is around $2,700 and is now fully dockable (unlike the original focus 40 blu prototype.) So, if you get a generation 5 display now, then you can theoretically get just the processor at another time down the road. Of course cost is a big factor, but it seems like the companies that’ve partnered to produce this device have been listening to those that want an all-in-one portavle computing device with the familiar Perkin’s style input system we’ve come to expect from a note taker, but with much of the computing capabilities that have, til now, only been available in a lap top environment. And they’re being more responsive, in my view, to those desires than other companies have been. Please don’t take my enthusiasm wrong. You do what’s best for you. i just hope if something I wrote here helps, then it’s been worthwhile.


Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@...
On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, kriegler01@... wrote:

I think I should add to my comments regarding my statement about lack of communication on the ElBraille and in general. The elBraille was talked about for release last year, but we're now in June of this year. I wrote FS last week about problems with the Mail app and I heard nothing back from support. If you go to the News link on FS's web site, you'll see that there have been no updates since December of last year. The Training Department has been busy and communicative, but not sure about other departments.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill
Tessore
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Hi folks, for what it’s worth, the ElBraille is a device that couples the attributes of a computer with the focus 40 blue. That way one need not go through all the set up and blue tooth connection procedures some have discussed here. i’ve been following it for some time now and have recently learned it’ll be upgraded in July.


This will include a shift from the Focus 40 blue generation 4 to the newer generation five display. Furthermore, it will include a larger processor, from 32 to 64 bit. The ElBraille 14 and 40 are sold through a partnership with Elita group under the Freedom Scientific umbrella. So if you have a pre-existing JAWS license, then you can download a copy of it to the ElBraille instead of needing to buy a full package. Likewise, if you already have a focus 40 display, generation four or five, you can send it in to have it coupled with the processor portion. The downside is this makes it a solid-state device. Thusly, if you wish to use The display with a laptop or computer, then I assume the entire device must be used to do so. I’m looking forward to getting one myself and then using it in my literary Braille transcribing. As I said earlier, for what it’s worth, I hope this will be of help.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@... <mailto:billtessore@...>


On Jun 22, 2019, at 5:17 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@... <mailto:hillco@...> > wrote:



Hello.




I can help with some of this. I've not bothered to install my Focus with bluetooth on my computer, seems kinda pointless so far. To know if your laptop has bluetooth, there are several things you can do. One of the easiest is to hit windows plus r and type in devmgmt.msc and press enter.

Hit tab once and arrow down. If you have bluetooth, there will be a section in device manager that says "bluetooth".




Now, as far as the com port, that is for bluetooth. I never needed that when installing my braille display via usb, I think all I did is plug it in with jaws running and I went and selected it in the braille section of jaws options. I think that was all there was to it.







On 6/21/2019 18:06, Kevin Minor wrote:


Hi.



I’m not sure when, but in a couple of weeks to a month or so I will be getting a brand new Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation, and I have questions concerning it. Since this is a JAWS list, I’ll keep most of them to using it with JAWS. I have used a Focus 40 before, but it was one that used USB to hook up to the PC, and that was over ten years ago, and this technology has sure changed. So, here are my questions.



The first one is a general Windows question, but it is JAWS related, because The first thing I need to do is to get the Focus and the computer to communicate with each other, and then I’ll add JAWS to the mix. The first is how should you set up connections for the Focus to work. I want it to work with both USB as well as blue tooth, so is there a particular order to do these? I have read the User’s manual, and I’m not sure what to do. I’m pretty good at plug and play, but the documentation mentions to refer to the device manager in Windows and see what COM port the Focus is using. Does that concern USB or blue tooth? Also, I know that you can connect with blue tooth before setting up USB, but is it better to do it the other way? Finally, how do I find out if my laptop has blue tooth on it in the first place? I think I’ve seen it in a list or so, but I can’t find where to see if it is available or not. If it is, but it somehow got turned off, how do I get it working again? This is Windows 10 1803, and I’m not real familiar with network settings other than connecting to internet, so guidance would be appreciated.



Now for my JAWS questions. I’m using the most current update of JAWS 2019, so I know it supports the Focus. I think I understand how to get JAWS to connect with both USB as well as blue tooth, but is there an order to do it so both will work? Also, just how do use this thing with JAWS and Windows. I know that the Blue will let you control a PC using its keyboard, and I pretty well can figure out things like hitting JAWS and another key to do something, but I’m not sure about working in Windows itself. My main questions have to deal with working with Windows Explorer and files. First, how do you cut, copy and paste files? Next, I have Windows displaying in a list view with certain details of files that I’d like to check. This brings up two questions concerning this. First, how do you do a right arrow to move to something in the details you want to read. For example, I have a lot of music that I’m organizing, and I organize songs by year. In the details, I have the year of the file, and next is how long it is. How can I check this information. Also, with speech, when I check out these fields, JAWS will tell me the position in the list they are, for example, the file is 100 out of 379. Does the Focus display this as well, and is there a command I need to issue to hear it?



My final Windows Explorer question concerns moving through a list. When I tried to use a braille display way back when, I would have liked it to navigate through the entire whatever, and not just what was on the screen. How do you simulate pressing the arrow keys on a regular keyboard so that focus is moved to the next or previous item? This doesn’t just apply to Windows Explorer, but other programs such as Outlook, Word, and Excel. I know the Focus keyboard can do this, but I don’t know how, and I’ve read the Braille In help, and most of it makes sense, but some of it doesn’t. Can anybody tell me what to do, or give me a comprehensive tutorial concerning this?



That’s pretty much all I can think of concerning the Focus Blue
and JAWS. I do have a question about something that you can get to
work with Windows itself, as well as some other questions regarding
the Focus 40 Blue itself. I don’t know where else to ask right now,
but since the same company makes both, I figure here’s a good place to
ask. If this would be considered as off topic, or clutter on the
list, either let me know of a better group to join, or send your
answers directly to me. Let me put my email address here before I ask
my questions. My email address is



Kminor65@... <mailto:Kminor65@...>



Now for my first question, and it has to do with translating a text file into contracted braille. Is there a good, inexpensive translator that works with Windows to do this? I have a .txt file that I want to work with on the Focus scratchpad, and if I just had it as a text file, when I opened it, it would be in computer braille. I’d like it translated to grade 2 braille so I can transfer it to the scratchpad to work with it. Any suggestions out there are appreciated on this one. The translator doesn’t have to be really fancy, doing things such as math or other languages, or even UEB. I just want good old grade 2 braille. Come to think of it, a grade 3 translator would be fun to have, and I would like to learn that form of braille just to know it. That way I could have stuff that hardly anyone else would understand, so any grade 3 tutorials or translators would be fun.



My next general question concerning the Focus concerns transferring files to it. I know you can export from the scratchpad to a file in Windows, but can you go the other way? Let’s say I get my nice file translated to grade 2 on Windows, and I want to work with it on the Focus. Can I do it, and if so, how do I do it?



I do have a final question, and that’s simply, where can I learn more about refreshable braille displays, and using them in general, and specifically the Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen. I want to learn how to use it completely. Another thing I want to do is to pair it with my iPhone X so I can control my iPhone with it. Where do I learn to do this?



That’s it from me. I’m so glad I happened to think of this group for most of my questions, and I figure people will steer me to Focus email lists, web sites, and other good resources. I’m one of those who wants to learn as much as I can before I get new technology, so I can be that farther ahead. I know, however, that you can do only so much without actually having something to work with, and I figure the Focus is such a device. I do understand panning buttons, and I have seen cursor routing buttons, but I’m not as familiar with these. Other things like select buttons, the menu button and navigator buttons really don’t make sense to me, and oh yeah, there are those SHIFT buttons that are used with the keyboard to do some JAWS stuff. I don’t understand a lot of this stuff, but I will when I get my Focus. I just wish I could find someone who could help me learn, but I don’t have that, so I’ll have to go it alone. That’s part of the fun, though. I know a lot about the Echo and Alexa, for instance, because I did find a great tutorial for it, and I just tinkered around myself to see what would happen, and now if someone has some questions about Lady A, I can tell what I know in simple terms. I want to do that with the Focus, so others can ask questions on the proper lists, and I can help.



Thank you all in advance for the help that I get. It’s much appreciated.



Have a blessed day, and don’t work too hard.



Kevin Minor and Jilly, my Seeing Eye dog, Lexington, KY






moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

JM Casey
 

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...






moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...





moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

JM Casey
 

Jeez, command prompt had better be supported, if nothing else is. Lol

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June 22, 2019 7:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and
reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did
horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@...> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...