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moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Steve Nutt
 

You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the command
window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I see the text,
but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as well. Tech support
says its not supported, but that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it
fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: downloading PDFs in Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Actually, it’s better to read PDFs in Chrome now than Reader DC.  It’s quite a nice experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: downloading PDFs in Google Chrome

 

Steve,

            I am aware of that, but many of us just don't want PDFs to ever open in our web browsers, even if we don't intend to download them for saving purposes (they do get downloaded for viewing no matter what).

            I far prefer for PDF files to open in my chosen PDF viewer, as they're easier to review there.  The few extra seconds taken to fire it up when I hit a PDF link is more than worth it for me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

       ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Question: How to Use the On Screen Keyboard with JAWS

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello. I'm running JAWS 2019 using Windows 10 build 1803 on a Dell Lattitude 2-in-1 device with a touch screen, along with a detachable keyboard.

I have been asked to deliver a demo regarding the touch screen gestures used by JAWS. As I make my way through the relevant help topic in the JAWS help system I am having little difficulty with most of the gestures, except for one. I am not able to invoke the on-screen keyboard using the four finger swipe down/up gesture. At first I had wondered if the on-screen keyboard would not be available if the physical keyboard was attached. However, even after removing the keyboard the gesture still doesn't work. I have so far tried doing this in Word 365 and in Wordpad. What's the secret to accessing the on-screen keyboard? Should it not work in Word and in Wordpad? I welcome any feedback from any users who have experience with this.


--
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

If you turn legacy console option on, you might have more success with JAWS reading in the CMD window, but you will also lose some of the newer features of CMD.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

My legacy console option is off.

On 6/23/2019 1:02 PM, John Covici wrote:
I might have to try that, it does read if you virtualize the text,
which is strange. I wonder if the legacy console features have
anything to do with this? Is yours on or off?

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:05:22 -0400,
Bill White wrote:
I had an incident where the CMD as admin command wouldn't work properly.
Everybody else's machine worked in this respect. I called the Microsoft
Disability answer desk, and they did a reinstall of Windows using the ISO
file, and after the repair, my cmd as admin command would read properly.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever
had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in 1903.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been
supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years
ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.
On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
wrote:
Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com












moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

My legacy console option is off.

On 6/23/2019 1:02 PM, John Covici wrote:
I might have to try that, it does read if you virtualize the text,
which is strange. I wonder if the legacy console features have
anything to do with this? Is yours on or off?

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:05:22 -0400,
Bill White wrote:
I had an incident where the CMD as admin command wouldn't work properly.
Everybody else's machine worked in this respect. I called the Microsoft
Disability answer desk, and they did a reinstall of Windows using the ISO
file, and after the repair, my cmd as admin command would read properly.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever
had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in 1903.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been
supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years
ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.
On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
wrote:
Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com












moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Once Microsoft repaired my copy of Windows, I didn't need the legacy
features of the Command console.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I might have to try that, it does read if you virtualize the text,
which is strange. I wonder if the legacy console features have
anything to do with this? Is yours on or off?

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:05:22 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

I had an incident where the CMD as admin command wouldn't work properly.
Everybody else's machine worked in this respect. I called the Microsoft
Disability answer desk, and they did a reinstall of Windows using the ISO
file, and after the repair, my cmd as admin command would read properly.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever
had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in
1903.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been
supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10
years
ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question
is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com











--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

John Covici
 

I might have to try that, it does read if you virtualize the text,
which is strange. I wonder if the legacy console features have
anything to do with this? Is yours on or off?

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:05:22 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

I had an incident where the CMD as admin command wouldn't work properly.
Everybody else's machine worked in this respect. I called the Microsoft
Disability answer desk, and they did a reinstall of Windows using the ISO
file, and after the repair, my cmd as admin command would read properly.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever
had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in 1903.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been
supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years
ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com











--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I had an incident where the CMD as admin command wouldn't work properly.
Everybody else's machine worked in this respect. I called the Microsoft
Disability answer desk, and they did a reinstall of Windows using the ISO
file, and after the repair, my cmd as admin command would read properly.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever
had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in 1903.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been
supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years
ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com>
wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

I remember using the admin command prompt in 1809 and I don't think I ever had any issues with Jaws not reading it, but it definitely reads it in 1903.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just
fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated windows mail keeps closing while using jaws

marvin kotler
 

Good morning listers; running jaws 2019 and windows 1903.  Windows mail keeps closing on me using jaws; nvda reads the mail fine.  If anyone knows what is going on and how to fix this, would appreciate hearing about it.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

John Covici
 

Jaws 2019 latest update.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:18:37 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it
just fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Question of a couple of Firefox settings

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

These settings won't affect your experience; I've never changed them from the default and also have not found any warnings saying to turn them off when using JAWS.

On 6/23/2019 12:36 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

I hadn’t used Firefox in a good long while and went in today to update it and the extensions. While poking through the browser options and making sure everything was as I wanted it to be, I came across these two setting options. Since I rarely if ever have the need to delve into these settings, I don’t recall if it matters from a screen reader standpoint to have them enabled or disabled.

I would appreciate a reminder and some enlightenment. Please see below.

Browsing
 Use autoscrolling Alt+Shift+a check box‑ checked‑
 Use smooth scrolling Alt+Shift+m check box‑ checked‑

I’m mainly a Jaws 2019 user and sometimes NVDA in a pinch if that makes any sort of difference.

 

Thanks,

Cristobal


moderated Question of a couple of Firefox settings

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

I hadn’t used Firefox in a good long while and went in today to update it and the extensions. While poking through the browser options and making sure everything was as I wanted it to be, I came across these two setting options. Since I rarely if ever have the need to delve into these settings, I don’t recall if it matters from a screen reader standpoint to have them enabled or disabled.

I would appreciate a reminder and some enlightenment. Please see below.

Browsing
 Use autoscrolling Alt+Shift+a check box‑ checked‑
 Use smooth scrolling Alt+Shift+m check box‑ checked‑

I’m mainly a Jaws 2019 user and sometimes NVDA in a pinch if that makes any sort of difference.

 

Thanks,

Cristobal


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

Hi,

I just tried elevating to Admin Command Prompt and JAWS reads it just fine. What version of JAWS are you running?


I'm running an admin account with UAC set to the highest setting.

On 6/22/2019 8:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:
Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

John Covici
 

Its only a problem in admin mode, running as administrator.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:34:00 -0400,
Munawar Bijani wrote:

Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com




--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

Not sure why tech support says it's not supported. It has been supported and reads well for as long as I can remymver. Sure about 10 years ago jaws did horribly with command prompt but not in recent years.

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com



moderated Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Bill Tessore
 

Kevin, I just read a fairly new article that reviews the newest ElBraille focus 40 blue generation 5 (part of the transcript up to how much the processor part of the ElBraille costs). Yes, a complete unit would be about $5,700, but the processor alone is around $2,700 and is now fully dockable (unlike the original focus 40 blu prototype.) So, if you get a generation 5 display now, then you can theoretically get just the processor at another time down the road. Of course cost is a big factor, but it seems like the companies that’ve partnered to produce this device have been listening to those that want an all-in-one portavle computing device with the familiar Perkin’s style input system we’ve come to expect from a note taker, but with much of the computing capabilities that have, til now, only been available in a lap top environment. And they’re being more responsive, in my view, to those desires than other companies have been. Please don’t take my enthusiasm wrong. You do what’s best for you. i just hope if something I wrote here helps, then it’s been worthwhile.


Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com

On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, kriegler01@optimum.net wrote:

I think I should add to my comments regarding my statement about lack of communication on the ElBraille and in general. The elBraille was talked about for release last year, but we're now in June of this year. I wrote FS last week about problems with the Mail app and I heard nothing back from support. If you go to the News link on FS's web site, you'll see that there have been no updates since December of last year. The Training Department has been busy and communicative, but not sure about other departments.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Hi folks, for what it’s worth, the ElBraille is a device that couples the attributes of a computer with the focus 40 blue. That way one need not go through all the set up and blue tooth connection procedures some have discussed here. i’ve been following it for some time now and have recently learned it’ll be upgraded in July.


This will include a shift from the Focus 40 blue generation 4 to the newer generation five display. Furthermore, it will include a larger processor, from 32 to 64 bit. The ElBraille 14 and 40 are sold through a partnership with Elita group under the Freedom Scientific umbrella. So if you have a pre-existing JAWS license, then you can download a copy of it to the ElBraille instead of needing to buy a full package. Likewise, if you already have a focus 40 display, generation four or five, you can send it in to have it coupled with the processor portion. The downside is this makes it a solid-state device. Thusly, if you wish to use The display with a laptop or computer, then I assume the entire device must be used to do so. I’m looking forward to getting one myself and then using it in my literary Braille transcribing. As I said earlier, for what it’s worth, I hope this will be of help.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com <mailto:billtessore@gmail.com>


On Jun 22, 2019, at 5:17 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net <mailto:hillco@earthlink.net> > wrote:



Hello.




I can help with some of this. I've not bothered to install my Focus with bluetooth on my computer, seems kinda pointless so far. To know if your laptop has bluetooth, there are several things you can do. One of the easiest is to hit windows plus r and type in devmgmt.msc and press enter.

Hit tab once and arrow down. If you have bluetooth, there will be a section in device manager that says "bluetooth".




Now, as far as the com port, that is for bluetooth. I never needed that when installing my braille display via usb, I think all I did is plug it in with jaws running and I went and selected it in the braille section of jaws options. I think that was all there was to it.







On 6/21/2019 18:06, Kevin Minor wrote:


Hi.



I’m not sure when, but in a couple of weeks to a month or so I will be getting a brand new Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation, and I have questions concerning it. Since this is a JAWS list, I’ll keep most of them to using it with JAWS. I have used a Focus 40 before, but it was one that used USB to hook up to the PC, and that was over ten years ago, and this technology has sure changed. So, here are my questions.



The first one is a general Windows question, but it is JAWS related, because The first thing I need to do is to get the Focus and the computer to communicate with each other, and then I’ll add JAWS to the mix. The first is how should you set up connections for the Focus to work. I want it to work with both USB as well as blue tooth, so is there a particular order to do these? I have read the User’s manual, and I’m not sure what to do. I’m pretty good at plug and play, but the documentation mentions to refer to the device manager in Windows and see what COM port the Focus is using. Does that concern USB or blue tooth? Also, I know that you can connect with blue tooth before setting up USB, but is it better to do it the other way? Finally, how do I find out if my laptop has blue tooth on it in the first place? I think I’ve seen it in a list or so, but I can’t find where to see if it is available or not. If it is, but it somehow got turned off, how do I get it working again? This is Windows 10 1803, and I’m not real familiar with network settings other than connecting to internet, so guidance would be appreciated.



Now for my JAWS questions. I’m using the most current update of JAWS 2019, so I know it supports the Focus. I think I understand how to get JAWS to connect with both USB as well as blue tooth, but is there an order to do it so both will work? Also, just how do use this thing with JAWS and Windows. I know that the Blue will let you control a PC using its keyboard, and I pretty well can figure out things like hitting JAWS and another key to do something, but I’m not sure about working in Windows itself. My main questions have to deal with working with Windows Explorer and files. First, how do you cut, copy and paste files? Next, I have Windows displaying in a list view with certain details of files that I’d like to check. This brings up two questions concerning this. First, how do you do a right arrow to move to something in the details you want to read. For example, I have a lot of music that I’m organizing, and I organize songs by year. In the details, I have the year of the file, and next is how long it is. How can I check this information. Also, with speech, when I check out these fields, JAWS will tell me the position in the list they are, for example, the file is 100 out of 379. Does the Focus display this as well, and is there a command I need to issue to hear it?



My final Windows Explorer question concerns moving through a list. When I tried to use a braille display way back when, I would have liked it to navigate through the entire whatever, and not just what was on the screen. How do you simulate pressing the arrow keys on a regular keyboard so that focus is moved to the next or previous item? This doesn’t just apply to Windows Explorer, but other programs such as Outlook, Word, and Excel. I know the Focus keyboard can do this, but I don’t know how, and I’ve read the Braille In help, and most of it makes sense, but some of it doesn’t. Can anybody tell me what to do, or give me a comprehensive tutorial concerning this?



That’s pretty much all I can think of concerning the Focus Blue and JAWS. I do have a question about something that you can get to work with Windows itself, as well as some other questions regarding the Focus 40 Blue itself. I don’t know where else to ask right now, but since the same company makes both, I figure here’s a good place to ask. If this would be considered as off topic, or clutter on the list, either let me know of a better group to join, or send your answers directly to me. Let me put my email address here before I ask my questions. My email address is



Kminor65@outlook.com <mailto:Kminor65@outlook.com>



Now for my first question, and it has to do with translating a text file into contracted braille. Is there a good, inexpensive translator that works with Windows to do this? I have a .txt file that I want to work with on the Focus scratchpad, and if I just had it as a text file, when I opened it, it would be in computer braille. I’d like it translated to grade 2 braille so I can transfer it to the scratchpad to work with it. Any suggestions out there are appreciated on this one. The translator doesn’t have to be really fancy, doing things such as math or other languages, or even UEB. I just want good old grade 2 braille. Come to think of it, a grade 3 translator would be fun to have, and I would like to learn that form of braille just to know it. That way I could have stuff that hardly anyone else would understand, so any grade 3 tutorials or translators would be fun.



My next general question concerning the Focus concerns transferring files to it. I know you can export from the scratchpad to a file in Windows, but can you go the other way? Let’s say I get my nice file translated to grade 2 on Windows, and I want to work with it on the Focus. Can I do it, and if so, how do I do it?



I do have a final question, and that’s simply, where can I learn more about refreshable braille displays, and using them in general, and specifically the Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen. I want to learn how to use it completely. Another thing I want to do is to pair it with my iPhone X so I can control my iPhone with it. Where do I learn to do this?



That’s it from me. I’m so glad I happened to think of this group for most of my questions, and I figure people will steer me to Focus email lists, web sites, and other good resources. I’m one of those who wants to learn as much as I can before I get new technology, so I can be that farther ahead. I know, however, that you can do only so much without actually having something to work with, and I figure the Focus is such a device. I do understand panning buttons, and I have seen cursor routing buttons, but I’m not as familiar with these. Other things like select buttons, the menu button and navigator buttons really don’t make sense to me, and oh yeah, there are those SHIFT buttons that are used with the keyboard to do some JAWS stuff. I don’t understand a lot of this stuff, but I will when I get my Focus. I just wish I could find someone who could help me learn, but I don’t have that, so I’ll have to go it alone. That’s part of the fun, though. I know a lot about the Echo and Alexa, for instance, because I did find a great tutorial for it, and I just tinkered around myself to see what would happen, and now if someone has some questions about Lady A, I can tell what I know in simple terms. I want to do that with the Focus, so others can ask questions on the proper lists, and I can help.



Thank you all in advance for the help that I get. It’s much appreciated.



Have a blessed day, and don’t work too hard.



Kevin Minor and Jilly, my Seeing Eye dog, Lexington, KY






moderated Re: New windows 10 update & Bluetooth

Chris Hill
 

Interesting you mention that.  I just checked on this machine which has an intel bluetooth chip, and it was running December 2018, so I told it to update driver.  Low and behold, now I have April 2019.


Thanks.


CH


On 6/22/2019 11:03, Brian Vogel wrote:
And if your WiFi/Bluetooth card (they're often in combination these days) is from Intel, regardless of your computer's OEM, Intel has been churning out driver updates specifically for Windows 10 at an incredible rate of speed.  I installed the Intel Driver & Support Assistant to keep that specific driver up to date, as they have not been supplying these to the computer OEMs (or at least not yet, and they keep updating the driver).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

       ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Chris Hill
 

Works fine in 1903.

On 6/22/2019 13:51, John Covici wrote:
Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


moderated Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Les Kriegler
 

I think I should add to my comments regarding my statement about lack of communication on the ElBraille and in general. The elBraille was talked about for release last year, but we're now in June of this year. I wrote FS last week about problems with the Mail app and I heard nothing back from support. If you go to the News link on FS's web site, you'll see that there have been no updates since December of last year. The Training Department has been busy and communicative, but not sure about other departments.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Tessore
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions from someone who will soon be a Focus 40 Blue owner.

Hi folks, for what it’s worth, the ElBraille is a device that couples the attributes of a computer with the focus 40 blue. That way one need not go through all the set up and blue tooth connection procedures some have discussed here. i’ve been following it for some time now and have recently learned it’ll be upgraded in July.


This will include a shift from the Focus 40 blue generation 4 to the newer generation five display. Furthermore, it will include a larger processor, from 32 to 64 bit. The ElBraille 14 and 40 are sold through a partnership with Elita group under the Freedom Scientific umbrella. So if you have a pre-existing JAWS license, then you can download a copy of it to the ElBraille instead of needing to buy a full package. Likewise, if you already have a focus 40 display, generation four or five, you can send it in to have it coupled with the processor portion. The downside is this makes it a solid-state device. Thusly, if you wish to use The display with a laptop or computer, then I assume the entire device must be used to do so. I’m looking forward to getting one myself and then using it in my literary Braille transcribing. As I said earlier, for what it’s worth, I hope this will be of help.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com <mailto:billtessore@gmail.com>


On Jun 22, 2019, at 5:17 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@earthlink.net <mailto:hillco@earthlink.net> > wrote:



Hello.




I can help with some of this. I've not bothered to install my Focus with bluetooth on my computer, seems kinda pointless so far. To know if your laptop has bluetooth, there are several things you can do. One of the easiest is to hit windows plus r and type in devmgmt.msc and press enter.

Hit tab once and arrow down. If you have bluetooth, there will be a section in device manager that says "bluetooth".




Now, as far as the com port, that is for bluetooth. I never needed that when installing my braille display via usb, I think all I did is plug it in with jaws running and I went and selected it in the braille section of jaws options. I think that was all there was to it.







On 6/21/2019 18:06, Kevin Minor wrote:


Hi.



I’m not sure when, but in a couple of weeks to a month or so I will be getting a brand new Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation, and I have questions concerning it. Since this is a JAWS list, I’ll keep most of them to using it with JAWS. I have used a Focus 40 before, but it was one that used USB to hook up to the PC, and that was over ten years ago, and this technology has sure changed. So, here are my questions.



The first one is a general Windows question, but it is JAWS related, because The first thing I need to do is to get the Focus and the computer to communicate with each other, and then I’ll add JAWS to the mix. The first is how should you set up connections for the Focus to work. I want it to work with both USB as well as blue tooth, so is there a particular order to do these? I have read the User’s manual, and I’m not sure what to do. I’m pretty good at plug and play, but the documentation mentions to refer to the device manager in Windows and see what COM port the Focus is using. Does that concern USB or blue tooth? Also, I know that you can connect with blue tooth before setting up USB, but is it better to do it the other way? Finally, how do I find out if my laptop has blue tooth on it in the first place? I think I’ve seen it in a list or so, but I can’t find where to see if it is available or not. If it is, but it somehow got turned off, how do I get it working again? This is Windows 10 1803, and I’m not real familiar with network settings other than connecting to internet, so guidance would be appreciated.



Now for my JAWS questions. I’m using the most current update of JAWS 2019, so I know it supports the Focus. I think I understand how to get JAWS to connect with both USB as well as blue tooth, but is there an order to do it so both will work? Also, just how do use this thing with JAWS and Windows. I know that the Blue will let you control a PC using its keyboard, and I pretty well can figure out things like hitting JAWS and another key to do something, but I’m not sure about working in Windows itself. My main questions have to deal with working with Windows Explorer and files. First, how do you cut, copy and paste files? Next, I have Windows displaying in a list view with certain details of files that I’d like to check. This brings up two questions concerning this. First, how do you do a right arrow to move to something in the details you want to read. For example, I have a lot of music that I’m organizing, and I organize songs by year. In the details, I have the year of the file, and next is how long it is. How can I check this information. Also, with speech, when I check out these fields, JAWS will tell me the position in the list they are, for example, the file is 100 out of 379. Does the Focus display this as well, and is there a command I need to issue to hear it?



My final Windows Explorer question concerns moving through a list. When I tried to use a braille display way back when, I would have liked it to navigate through the entire whatever, and not just what was on the screen. How do you simulate pressing the arrow keys on a regular keyboard so that focus is moved to the next or previous item? This doesn’t just apply to Windows Explorer, but other programs such as Outlook, Word, and Excel. I know the Focus keyboard can do this, but I don’t know how, and I’ve read the Braille In help, and most of it makes sense, but some of it doesn’t. Can anybody tell me what to do, or give me a comprehensive tutorial concerning this?



That’s pretty much all I can think of concerning the Focus Blue and JAWS. I do have a question about something that you can get to work with Windows itself, as well as some other questions regarding the Focus 40 Blue itself. I don’t know where else to ask right now, but since the same company makes both, I figure here’s a good place to ask. If this would be considered as off topic, or clutter on the list, either let me know of a better group to join, or send your answers directly to me. Let me put my email address here before I ask my questions. My email address is



Kminor65@outlook.com <mailto:Kminor65@outlook.com>



Now for my first question, and it has to do with translating a text file into contracted braille. Is there a good, inexpensive translator that works with Windows to do this? I have a .txt file that I want to work with on the Focus scratchpad, and if I just had it as a text file, when I opened it, it would be in computer braille. I’d like it translated to grade 2 braille so I can transfer it to the scratchpad to work with it. Any suggestions out there are appreciated on this one. The translator doesn’t have to be really fancy, doing things such as math or other languages, or even UEB. I just want good old grade 2 braille. Come to think of it, a grade 3 translator would be fun to have, and I would like to learn that form of braille just to know it. That way I could have stuff that hardly anyone else would understand, so any grade 3 tutorials or translators would be fun.



My next general question concerning the Focus concerns transferring files to it. I know you can export from the scratchpad to a file in Windows, but can you go the other way? Let’s say I get my nice file translated to grade 2 on Windows, and I want to work with it on the Focus. Can I do it, and if so, how do I do it?



I do have a final question, and that’s simply, where can I learn more about refreshable braille displays, and using them in general, and specifically the Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen. I want to learn how to use it completely. Another thing I want to do is to pair it with my iPhone X so I can control my iPhone with it. Where do I learn to do this?



That’s it from me. I’m so glad I happened to think of this group for most of my questions, and I figure people will steer me to Focus email lists, web sites, and other good resources. I’m one of those who wants to learn as much as I can before I get new technology, so I can be that farther ahead. I know, however, that you can do only so much without actually having something to work with, and I figure the Focus is such a device. I do understand panning buttons, and I have seen cursor routing buttons, but I’m not as familiar with these. Other things like select buttons, the menu button and navigator buttons really don’t make sense to me, and oh yeah, there are those SHIFT buttons that are used with the keyboard to do some JAWS stuff. I don’t understand a lot of this stuff, but I will when I get my Focus. I just wish I could find someone who could help me learn, but I don’t have that, so I’ll have to go it alone. That’s part of the fun, though. I know a lot about the Echo and Alexa, for instance, because I did find a great tutorial for it, and I just tinkered around myself to see what would happen, and now if someone has some questions about Lady A, I can tell what I know in simple terms. I want to do that with the Focus, so others can ask questions on the proper lists, and I can help.



Thank you all in advance for the help that I get. It’s much appreciated.



Have a blessed day, and don’t work too hard.



Kevin Minor and Jilly, my Seeing Eye dog, Lexington, KY