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moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

The problem is not only Firefox. However, Crome is not my favorite simply because so different, as I see it, from Internet Explorer and/or Firefox. Creature of habit I am guilty of being.

 

Using the most current jaws, Windows 10

 

Another notice… when I am receiving email, jaws will practically freeze up or at best, severely lag. What is this now about? All my problems are since Jaws 2019 was installed and with the Office headaches, in the last week since upgrading from Office 2010 to 2019.

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Based on what Richard said this sounds more like it’s how Firefox renders the page since it is not spoken in Edge or Chrome. Chrome in my opinion is by far the best browser option right now, it is extremely accessible and very fast.

Just out of curiosity, what is it you dislike about Chrome?

Also, if you want to know exactly what Jaws is saying, let it speak a line where this word is spoken and then go into Jaws speech history with Jaws Key + Spacebar and H and you can then review the text in the virtual cursor.

Which version of Jaws do you use, don’t think you mentioned it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Richard,

 

Also a problem with IE but everything is a problem with that browser. I dislike Edge and Crome so not a concern. I’ll notify the Jaws folks to have them look into this when I find the time…

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

I can confirm it is likely a Firefox issue since Edge doesn’t say the word “all” before those items either.

But, since I use Firefox I went and checked and yes it does say all.

But, I use DuckDuckGo as my home page, so I never deal with that as I am not a fan of google.

 

Richard

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This is the information I am also hearing. I hear the word all, or sounds like all. This is only within the pc curser, not the jaws cursor.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Based on what Richard said this sounds more like it’s how Firefox renders the page since it is not spoken in Edge or Chrome. Chrome in my opinion is by far the best browser option right now, it is extremely accessible and very fast.

Just out of curiosity, what is it you dislike about Chrome?

Also, if you want to know exactly what Jaws is saying, let it speak a line where this word is spoken and then go into Jaws speech history with Jaws Key + Spacebar and H and you can then review the text in the virtual cursor.

Which version of Jaws do you use, don’t think you mentioned it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Richard,

 

Also a problem with IE but everything is a problem with that browser. I dislike Edge and Crome so not a concern. I’ll notify the Jaws folks to have them look into this when I find the time…

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

I can confirm it is likely a Firefox issue since Edge doesn’t say the word “all” before those items either.

But, since I use Firefox I went and checked and yes it does say all.

But, I use DuckDuckGo as my home page, so I never deal with that as I am not a fan of google.

 

Richard

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This is the information I am also hearing. I hear the word all, or sounds like all. This is only within the pc curser, not the jaws cursor.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: jaws quick / hot key

Rick Mladek
 

Can this also be toggled to turn back on?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws quick / hot key

 

 

insert-f4 will do the exit of Jaws.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

Sorry for my constant inquiries but is there a short cut for turning jaws on and off? Something more quick than alt tabbing to jaws and hitting alt F4?

 

Thanks

 

Rick


moderated Re: jaws quick / hot key

Richard Turner
 


insert-f4 will do the exit of Jaws.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

Sorry for my constant inquiries but is there a short cut for turning jaws on and off? Something more quick than alt tabbing to jaws and hitting alt F4?

 

Thanks

 

Rick


moderated jaws quick / hot key

Rick Mladek
 

Hi all,

 

Sorry for my constant inquiries but is there a short cut for turning jaws on and off? Something more quick than alt tabbing to jaws and hitting alt F4?

 

Thanks

 

Rick


moderated Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

Steve Nutt
 

That’s because they are no longer upcoming, they are here.  Fispero have been a bit slow to fix that one.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 06 June 2019 04:16
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

James:

 

You’re correct.

 

I don’t have the usual checkbox here either which used to turn off upcoming features in Outlook or whatever it was called for a while.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 10:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

I see this exact same problem, now. It looks like Outlook was updated on the 3rd of the month, and that may have broken things. Interested if you can find an answer, because I don't even appear to have that checkbox.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 

 


 On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

Steve Nutt
 

Confirmed.  They just say Not Available.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 04 June 2019 16:06
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: JAWS stops speaking

Steve Nutt
 

Sounds like a power management setting to me. Check in Power Options that
no hardware is shutting down after ten minutes.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 04 June 2019 13:51
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS stops speaking

Hi all,

I'm running JAWS 2018 on a Lenovo laptop running Windows 10. This is one of
two identical machines I have for work.

The machine used to work fine. However, JAWS now stops speaking after around
5 or 10 minutes of use. It is apparently still running, there are no errors
and the laptop continues to function in all other respects.

If I close JAWS and reload it, it speaks again until it stops after another
5 or 10 minutes.

I have restarted several times but this hasn't fixed the problem.

The issue does not occur on the other machine.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this?

Many thanks,

Ed


moderated Re: google chrome anouncements

Steve Nutt
 

Yes there is, press Alt+Shift+A.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 03 June 2019 15:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: google chrome anouncements

I don't think there is a way to access that notification like there was in Internet Explorer, but often, if the dialog has buttons that warrant a response, the buttons will often have a keyboard shortcut where you can press it to respond accordingly. for example, the notification pops up, and JAWS reads the message, and there is a button to OK the message.
the OK button might have a shortcut that you can press instead of clicking it. for instance, alt+o or what ever.

I think there might be a way in windows 10 that can access any notification and allow you to review/respond accordingly.

-------- Original Message --------
From: William Windels [mailto:william.windels@vdab.be]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019, 9:45 AM
Subject: google chrome anouncements

Hello



I use chrome version 74.0.3729.169 64 bit and there, websites could give somme messages on my computer with windows10.



This messages are spoken by jaws just as popup.

It would be nice if I could activate that popup to go directly to the message so I can answer from there.

Any idea how I can activate this chat-window?



Many thx for any answer.



William Windels



Incident Manager SWF

02/506 0 487 / 0477 88 4276 (ik werk niet op maandag- en vrijdag namiddag)


moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

Rick Mladek
 

Hi Richard,

 

Also a problem with IE but everything is a problem with that browser. I dislike Edge and Crome so not a concern. I’ll notify the Jaws folks to have them look into this when I find the time…

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 9:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

I can confirm it is likely a Firefox issue since Edge doesn’t say the word “all” before those items either.

But, since I use Firefox I went and checked and yes it does say all.

But, I use DuckDuckGo as my home page, so I never deal with that as I am not a fan of google.

 

Richard

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This is the information I am also hearing. I hear the word all, or sounds like all. This is only within the pc curser, not the jaws cursor.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

Richard Turner
 

I can confirm it is likely a Firefox issue since Edge doesn’t say the word “all” before those items either.

But, since I use Firefox I went and checked and yes it does say all.

But, I use DuckDuckGo as my home page, so I never deal with that as I am not a fan of google.

 

Richard

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This is the information I am also hearing. I hear the word all, or sounds like all. This is only within the pc curser, not the jaws cursor.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

Rick Mladek
 

This is the information I am also hearing. I hear the word all, or sounds like all. This is only within the pc curser, not the jaws cursor.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

This sounds like not an issue with Jaws but an issue with the website. I have come across many websites where some word or string of characters is spoken which visually is not there, but it is somehow part of the websites code and Jaws picks it up. Have you tried a different browser like Chrome?

Having said this, I just went to Google.com and clicked on this item “How search works” and I don’t hear Jaws saying anything extra, here is a portion of that site from Jaws speech history, I use Chrome as my browser and I use Jaws 2019:

 

heading level 2 How Google Search works

Every time you search, there are thousands, sometimes millions, of webpages with helpful information. How Google figures out which results to show starts
long before you even type, and is guided by a commitment to you to provide the best information.
same page link 


separator

heading level 2 Organizing the
heading level 2 content of the web

Even before you search, Google organizes information about webpages in our Search index. The index is like a library, except it contains more info than
in all the world’s libraries put together.
Link Learn more about crawling and indexing

separator

 

heading level 2 Instantly matching
heading level 2 your search
blank
In a fraction of a second, Google’s Search algorithms sort through hundreds of billions of webpages in our Search index to find the most relevant, useful
results for what you’re looking for.
lank
Link Learn more about Search algorithms
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 Presenting results
heading level 2 in helpful ways
blank
To help you find what you’re looking for quickly, Google provides results in many useful formats. Whether presented as a map with directions, images, videos
or stories, we’re constantly evolving with new ways to present information.
lank
Link Learn more about useful responses
blank
separator
blank
heading level 2 We only sell ads, not
heading level 2 search results
blank
While advertisers can pay to be displayed in clearly marked sections of the page, no one can buy better placement in the search results.
lank
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

separator
blank
heading level 2 Always improving
heading level 2 your experience
blank
We know Search can always be better. That’s why Google engineers spend every day testing it, conducting hundreds of thousands of experiments every year,
resulting in thousands of improvements.
lank
Link Learn more about our rigorous testing
blank
visited Link Google
list of 4 items
Link Privacy
Link Terms
Link About Google
Link Google Products
list end
list of 2 items
Link Help
Change language or region Combo box Change language or region
list end
Link Learn more about how we make money with advertising

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws reading or indicating "all"

 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws n ot to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

I have been running my retail business successfully for 20 years now because I have Jaws. I graduated from University with a Bachelor of Commerce back in 1995 because I had Jaws (and other software and technology).

This was a long time before NVDA was even made possible because of the collaboration today’s internet allows and even longer before companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft suddenly made accessibility a priority.

“But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!”

I am a great fan of sarcasm, but I wonder about the “magical job” the Jaws team did with features like Jaws Convenient OCR, now Picture Smart which allows me to often get a good idea of what is in a picture where before I always had to ask a sighted person to tell me, what about the amazing support for browsers like Chrome and Firefox which allow any blind person to independently look up information online, read newspapers online, shop online, do their banking etc?

Also, what about the dedication of people like Mr. Dammery who probably would be quite capable as well as qualified to land a job with any number of big software companies where they might even make more money yet they seem to be dedicated to Jaws and other Vispero products so that people like me and many others can be productive running their own business or holding down a job.

I would have assumed that our mysterious Soner who doesn’t sign his or her emails would be using NVDA, but he/she/it (let’s not forget those who want to be neither boys or girls) is on the Jaws list and apparently enjoys biting the hand that helped them for however many years they have been using Jaws. I kindly would ask why not switch to NVDA if you can’t appreciate how difficult it is to develop and maintain a product like Jaws especially nowadays when Microsoft seems to change things sometimes on a weekly bases which often can effect how the screenreader can get its information.

Do I face issues and challenges with Jaws? Absolutely. Do I sometimes complain and get frustrated about some set back which doesn’t make sense? Absolutely. Is it always the fault of Vispero when something doesn’t work in Jaws? Absolutely not.

I have been a Jaws user for 30 years and would consider myself to be a pretty advanced user of Jaws, computers and technology in general, but for the most part instead of bitching about it at every opportunity just because I enjoy being negative I decided to get on the Jaws Beta team so I can make my experience available and try and do what I can to help Vispero to make Jaws a better product.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Portia Mason via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

This is the friend who stayed with you?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Hello, adding to your point, has been years that we herd no improvement about it from Freedom. They preferred investing on useless and naturally unsustainable features like research it.

I do not know what goes on in those technology showcases, but at least wish some Canadian and American mates appearing in those places with their real comments and feed-backs.

I sometimes listen FSCast podcasts, however, it is nothing more than a commercial session with some plastic questions and comments rather than a real community driven discussion on the product itself.

But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!

Regards

 


On 6 Jun 2019, at 04:02, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:

Hi,

Going back even as far as Windows XP, I’ve seen many instances in which invoking the Jaws cursor and then using the arrow keys results in “blank, blank, blank”  et cetera and I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer regarding why that happens. I’ve tried tweaking the screen resolution and other settings, to no avail. 

As for the John’s cursor, I’ve never actually encountered one of those but I would speculate that it must be some device that kicks into high gear when a guy hanging out in the red-light district gets busted and hauled in for soliciting.

 


On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:

Hi,

  JAWS is what was meant.  Sorry I did not proof better.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

The John’s cursor?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

 I am not sure of the solution, but this is a typical John’s Kurtzer response. As windows has advanced and technology increased the John’s cursor has become less useful. I understand that Freedom Scientific is working on that and hopes to have major changes soon. 

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of soner <soner.boun@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Dear listers, on Windows 10, I encounter a strange problem in Jaws
cursor mode with all web browsers. that while it reads properly
through arrow keys, it just says: "space", if I would like to move
word by word or character by character to move and click an element or
a word to read. So I am literally unable to grabb anything clickable
or any word to locate in Jaws cursor mode.
I have tested through various Jaws versions from April 2019 down to
2018, but it gives the same result.
I use a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P20W-C laptop with all the drivers
and firmwares up to date.

Any tip or help greatly appreciated.


 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Jaws reading or indicating "all"

Rick Mladek
 

Hi Everybody,

 

Here is an odd one, I turn on my computer and went into my internet browser, Mozilla Firefox. My homepage is set to google.com and I was just going down to see if anything new is on this page and a link I haven’t noticed before, how search works, was found. I clicked on it to see what they say about how their search works and I’ve noticed a very disturbing issue. As I arrow down, I hear “all” before each link or section. What is this? How do I get jaws not to read or say all before all as I move down through this information? This is new to me, I hope someone understands what I’ve come across. This is not the “say all” command. I actually hear the word, all, as it comes to a new link or paragraph or section of information.

 

This is also same on Internet Explorer and I am to believe with all browsers.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick


moderated Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

Portia Mason
 

Sorry everyone. That post did not belong here.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Portia Mason via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

This is the friend who stayed with you?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Hello, adding to your point, has been years that we herd no improvement about it from Freedom. They preferred investing on useless and naturally unsustainable features like research it.

I do not know what goes on in those technology showcases, but at least wish some Canadian and American mates appearing in those places with their real comments and feed-backs.

I sometimes listen FSCast podcasts, however, it is nothing more than a commercial session with some plastic questions and comments rather than a real community driven discussion on the product itself.

But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!

Regards

 


On 6 Jun 2019, at 04:02, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:

Hi,

Going back even as far as Windows XP, I’ve seen many instances in which invoking the Jaws cursor and then using the arrow keys results in “blank, blank, blank”  et cetera and I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer regarding why that happens. I’ve tried tweaking the screen resolution and other settings, to no avail. 

As for the John’s cursor, I’ve never actually encountered one of those but I would speculate that it must be some device that kicks into high gear when a guy hanging out in the red-light district gets busted and hauled in for soliciting.

 


On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:

Hi,

  JAWS is what was meant.  Sorry I did not proof better.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

The John’s cursor?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

 I am not sure of the solution, but this is a typical John’s Kurtzer response. As windows has advanced and technology increased the John’s cursor has become less useful. I understand that Freedom Scientific is working on that and hopes to have major changes soon. 

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of soner <soner.boun@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Dear listers, on Windows 10, I encounter a strange problem in Jaws
cursor mode with all web browsers. that while it reads properly
through arrow keys, it just says: "space", if I would like to move
word by word or character by character to move and click an element or
a word to read. So I am literally unable to grabb anything clickable
or any word to locate in Jaws cursor mode.
I have tested through various Jaws versions from April 2019 down to
2018, but it gives the same result.
I use a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P20W-C laptop with all the drivers
and firmwares up to date.

Any tip or help greatly appreciated.


 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

Portia Mason
 

This is the friend who stayed with you?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of soner
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Hello, adding to your point, has been years that we herd no improvement about it from Freedom. They preferred investing on useless and naturally unsustainable features like research it.

I do not know what goes on in those technology showcases, but at least wish some Canadian and American mates appearing in those places with their real comments and feed-backs.

I sometimes listen FSCast podcasts, however, it is nothing more than a commercial session with some plastic questions and comments rather than a real community driven discussion on the product itself.

But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!

Regards

 


On 6 Jun 2019, at 04:02, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:

Hi,

Going back even as far as Windows XP, I’ve seen many instances in which invoking the Jaws cursor and then using the arrow keys results in “blank, blank, blank”  et cetera and I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer regarding why that happens. I’ve tried tweaking the screen resolution and other settings, to no avail. 

As for the John’s cursor, I’ve never actually encountered one of those but I would speculate that it must be some device that kicks into high gear when a guy hanging out in the red-light district gets busted and hauled in for soliciting.

 


On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:

Hi,

  JAWS is what was meant.  Sorry I did not proof better.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

The John’s cursor?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

 I am not sure of the solution, but this is a typical John’s Kurtzer response. As windows has advanced and technology increased the John’s cursor has become less useful. I understand that Freedom Scientific is working on that and hopes to have major changes soon. 

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of soner <soner.boun@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Dear listers, on Windows 10, I encounter a strange problem in Jaws
cursor mode with all web browsers. that while it reads properly
through arrow keys, it just says: "space", if I would like to move
word by word or character by character to move and click an element or
a word to read. So I am literally unable to grabb anything clickable
or any word to locate in Jaws cursor mode.
I have tested through various Jaws versions from April 2019 down to
2018, but it gives the same result.
I use a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P20W-C laptop with all the drivers
and firmwares up to date.

Any tip or help greatly appreciated.




Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

soner
 

Hello, adding to your point, has been years that we herd no improvement about it from Freedom. They preferred investing on useless and naturally unsustainable features like research it.
I do not know what goes on in those technology showcases, but at least wish some Canadian and American mates appearing in those places with their real comments and feed-backs.
I sometimes listen FSCast podcasts, however, it is nothing more than a commercial session with some plastic questions and comments rather than a real community driven discussion on the product itself.
But, actually, you could ignore all my comments above and could keep on offering your gratitudes to Mr. Dammery and to his team for their "magical job" enabling us to use notepad!
Regards


On 6 Jun 2019, at 04:02, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:

Hi,
Going back even as far as Windows XP, I’ve seen many instances in which invoking the Jaws cursor and then using the arrow keys results in “blank, blank, blank”  et cetera and I’ve never gotten a satisfactory answer regarding why that happens. I’ve tried tweaking the screen resolution and other settings, to no avail. 
As for the John’s cursor, I’ve never actually encountered one of those but I would speculate that it must be some device that kicks into high gear when a guy hanging out in the red-light district gets busted and hauled in for soliciting.
 

On Jun 5, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:

Hi,

  JAWS is what was meant.  Sorry I did not proof better.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

The John’s cursor?

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

 I am not sure of the solution, but this is a typical John’s Kurtzer response. As windows has advanced and technology increased the John’s cursor has become less useful. I understand that Freedom Scientific is working on that and hopes to have major changes soon. 

 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of soner <soner.boun@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws Cursor İssue

 

Dear listers, on Windows 10, I encounter a strange problem in Jaws
cursor mode with all web browsers. that while it reads properly
through arrow keys, it just says: "space", if I would like to move
word by word or character by character to move and click an element or
a word to read. So I am literally unable to grabb anything clickable
or any word to locate in Jaws cursor mode.
I have tested through various Jaws versions from April 2019 down to
2018, but it gives the same result.
I use a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P20W-C laptop with all the drivers
and firmwares up to date.

Any tip or help greatly appreciated.



moderated Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

Tom Behler
 

James:

 

You’re correct.

 

I don’t have the usual checkbox here either which used to turn off upcoming features in Outlook or whatever it was called for a while.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 10:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

I see this exact same problem, now. It looks like Outlook was updated on the 3rd of the month, and that may have broken things. Interested if you can find an answer, because I don't even appear to have that checkbox.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 

 


 On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

James Homuth
 

I see this exact same problem, now. It looks like Outlook was updated on the 3rd of the month, and that may have broken things. Interested if you can find an answer, because I don't even appear to have that checkbox.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.

 

 

 

 

 


 On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Mike:

 

I used to get other fields by pressing alt 1, 2, and 3.  I think they were from, to, and the date of the e-mail.

 

I found access to those fields with this method to be very quick and useful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hi Tom.  When I press alt plus the number four on my number row, I hear JAWS say CC.  Alt plus five, I hear JAWS say subject, and then the subject.  Alt plus six, I hear the BCC field.  Can you try those key strokes and see if you get this feedback?  Would that be what you're looking for?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 11:06 AM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: E-mail Message Fields Have Disappeared Again

 

Hello, everyone.

 

My e-mail header fields have disappeared again, in that they are now no longer able to be accessed via the alt 1, 2, 3, and 4 commands.

 

I used to be able to re-instate the fields via the following instructions, but these instructions no longer seem to work.

 

I’m using the latest build of Jaws 2019, and the Office 365 version of Outlook 2016 on this Windows 10 computer.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Tom Behler

 

Instructions for restoring fields in an e-mail message if they disappear

 

If e-mail message fields disappear, and are not able to be accessed with the alt 1, 2, 3, or 4 commands, you must turn off features coming soon.

 

To do this, put focus on your in-box, and then hit the alt key to get to the home menu.

 

Then, arrow left once or twice, and you should get to the check box to turn this function on or off.

 

If it says “turn features coming soon off”, you know it’s on.  Just un-check the box, and you should be ok.

 

Note:  You will have to re-start Outlook and possibly even your computer for the change to take effect.