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Re: set Google as my default page

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

You should be able to go to firefox’s options in the tools menu. The first item you’ll land on should be home page. In this edit field, type in http://www.google.com

 

Hope that helps

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 3, 2019 3:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: set Google as my default page

 

Hi all, this is Michael. i have a question on using Mozilla Firefox. 

My primary web browser is Google and i want to know how to set it as my default browser every time i open Firefox. 

All comments are greatly appreciate. 

best regards 

Michael Munn 

 

--

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

 Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

Re: ElBraille

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

A clarification. The Elbraille 14 is also solid state. They both, to my knowledge, come with the same amount of storage e.g. 32 gb ssd paired with 160 gb secondary ssd.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 3, 2019 3:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I did heard something like this from Ellita Groups that they are updating the unit to more storage capacity. I never knew that 40 cell unit is solid state drive. that's much faster than the Hard disk drive. 

Thanks for that report. 

Best regards 

  

 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:

Hi gang, I don’t have an ElBraille of my own, but I have been keeping an eye on it for the last couple of years. I’d like to mention a couple things that I think have not been mentioned so far. First, the 40 cell version is a solid-state unit. That is, unlike it’s smaller cousin, The 40 cell device cannot be broken down into two units. Second, the 40 cell unit offers greater storage and processor capacity. Finally, I am told the upcoming updated ElBraille Will have even greater processor capacity, and include The fifth generation focus 40 braille display. I hope this information is useful.

 

Shalom,

 

Bill Tessore

 

 


On May 3, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

I don’t find mine runs hot at all, so it must have been doing something CPU intensive.

 

Any computer of this size is going to get at least a little warm, but not boiling by any means, even when the processor usage is maxed out completely.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 2, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.

In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.

I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.

Conclusion: 

this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

set Google as my default page

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, this is Michael. i have a question on using Mozilla Firefox. 
My primary web browser is Google and i want to know how to set it as my default browser every time i open Firefox. 
All comments are greatly appreciate. 
best regards 
Michael Munn 

--

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
 Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind



Re: ElBraille

Michael Munn
 

I did heard something like this from Ellita Groups that they are updating the unit to more storage capacity. I never knew that 40 cell unit is solid state drive. that's much faster than the Hard disk drive. 
Thanks for that report. 
Best regards 
  

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:
Hi gang, I don’t have an ElBraille of my own, but I have been keeping an eye on it for the last couple of years. I’d like to mention a couple things that I think have not been mentioned so far. First, the 40 cell version is a solid-state unit. That is, unlike it’s smaller cousin, The 40 cell device cannot be broken down into two units. Second, the 40 cell unit offers greater storage and processor capacity. Finally, I am told the upcoming updated ElBraille Will have even greater processor capacity, and include The fifth generation focus 40 braille display. I hope this information is useful.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore




On May 3, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

I don’t find mine runs hot at all, so it must have been doing something CPU intensive.

 

Any computer of this size is going to get at least a little warm, but not boiling by any means, even when the processor usage is maxed out completely.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 2, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.

In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.

I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.

Conclusion: 

this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: ElBraille

Michael Munn
 



Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:10 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

I don’t find mine runs hot at all, so it must have been doing something CPU intensive.

 

Any computer of this size is going to get at least a little warm, but not boiling by any means, even when the processor usage is maxed out completely.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 2, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.

In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.

I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.

Conclusion: 

this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: ElBraille

Bill Tessore
 

Hi gang, I don’t have an ElBraille of my own, but I have been keeping an eye on it for the last couple of years. I’d like to mention a couple things that I think have not been mentioned so far. First, the 40 cell version is a solid-state unit. That is, unlike it’s smaller cousin, The 40 cell device cannot be broken down into two units. Second, the 40 cell unit offers greater storage and processor capacity. Finally, I am told the upcoming updated ElBraille Will have even greater processor capacity, and include The fifth generation focus 40 braille display. I hope this information is useful.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore




On May 3, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,

I don’t find mine runs hot at all, so it must have been doing something CPU intensive.

 

Any computer of this size is going to get at least a little warm, but not boiling by any means, even when the processor usage is maxed out completely.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 2, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.

In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.

I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.

Conclusion: 

this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Richard Turner
 


Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?
Richard


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On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Curtis Delzer
 

Well I don't like the "breathing" which is like Darth Vader, :) but he can talk fast. Samantha needs to stop smoking. Alison is OK, Karen Australian, is excellent, but not for going real fast. The other male Ossie voice is quite nice as well.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/3/2019 7:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: saving a power point file

Palmer Loux
 

Did you try pressing F6? Try when in your document and hopefully you will in several times of pressing F 6 get to the enable:disable editing pane. Let me know if it works😍
Palmer


On May 1, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote:

Hello, I use to be able to save a power point file to a PDF file. The save as and export show up as not available. I’m using windows 10 and Jaws2018. I tried locating enable protect so I could turn it off and I cannot find. I’m not sure that would help. Any thoughts? Thanks, Kevin


--
Palmer from CBVI

Re: ElBraille

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I don’t find mine runs hot at all, so it must have been doing something CPU intensive.

 

Any computer of this size is going to get at least a little warm, but not boiling by any means, even when the processor usage is maxed out completely.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: May 2, 2019 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.

In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.

I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.

Conclusion: 

this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

Never discussed the processor but FYI… it is an I7.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I think Rick says it’s an I3, but I can’t remember if he said which generation of I3.

Rick, did you try Eloquence?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: ElBraille

Randy Meyer
 

I own an ElBraille 14.  I agree with everything that Tyler said.

 

I love that it runs MS Office.  I have not experienced any weird disk problems where I lost files.  I have had many lost files issues with all of my previous note takers over the last 20+ years.

 

It does run a little slow and I would not recommend having too many programs open at once.  I wish it had more than 2 gb of ram.  The storage is on the ssd drive is only 20, which is too small.  Elita and Freedom did have to help switch where outlook was storing emails to the data drive.  Once you install Jaws and MS Office the 20 gb drive is pretty full.  I wasn’t able to perform windows 10 updates because of lack of drive space, until they help relocate emails to the data drive.

 

Using the ElBraille did force me to learn the Braille key commands to work with Jaws.  Occasionally, there is some weird inconsistencies with Braille translation.  Some have been fixed and others are pending, but this is easily worked around.

 

I have ordered a very small laptop with a small 6 inch screen, which I am going to try using in place of my ElBraille for speed and storage reasons.  I ordered the small laptop through an IndiGogo campaign.  I would trade shorter battery life for more speed and storage.

 

All the above said, I am very happy I purchased the ElBraille, and I hope the product continues to be updated.

 

Randy Meyer

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ElBraille

 

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Rick Mladek
 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Cristóbal
 

I’ve tried Alex on my iPhone SE I still use for business and while I don’t really find anything special about it and indeed, I tend to think some of the pronunciations to be problematic from time to time, I also ran into the issue of VO going quiet with this voice. Clicks and taps and all that still worked, but the actual TTS would just stop working. I’d have to turn VO off and back on to get speech back. This happened with some other high quality voices too.

Since it’s a different phone from my main one, I prefer to use a male voice than the standard Samantha on my XR. I ended up with Tom since with this voice, I don’t get that weird TTS dropping behavior. Tom still mispronounces words from time to time, but it’s over all better at that sort of thing than Alex in my experience.

The standard Samantha voice for me at 100% speech rate is good enough. I’ve tried the high quality version and I just find it to be a bit too choppy at higher rates of speech for me.

Getting back to JFW, same goes for some of the newer TTS voices offered by Vispero. Some of them are nice and all, but I always find myself coming back to good old eloquence. Performs better at higher rates of speech and much less pronunciation issues.

Ah, if only it were ever to become an option in iOS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Mike,

 

I have 8GB in my desktop and 16 in my laptop, and don’t get crashes here with either.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 01 May 2019 05:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

 


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Sieghard,

 

When you have trouble reading with the JAWS cursor, try the touch cursor.  It’s not limited to having a touch sdcreen.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 01 May 2019 04:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

 


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I wonder if people ever suggested it to Apple. I’ll write an email to accessibility@... and do so, maybe  you should too, if enough people asked you never know. I’m sure it would be easy enough for Apple to do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I think Rick says it’s an I3, but I can’t remember if he said which generation of I3.

Rick, did you try Eloquence?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

marvin kotler
 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>