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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Jaffar Sidek
 

The Alt attribute still shows up the text on screen.  What I am saying is that you could hide the text of the alt attribute from sighted users with CSS and still expose it to screen readers.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 8:41 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.
But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image code.
HTH,
Richard
  

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On May 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

David Ingram
 

Hi, this is to the originater of the subjectline, have you been able to install more ram in your system first of all, next If you can, why not change synthesizers just to see if some of your problems go away.  These are just a few suggestions, I hope that they are helpful to you?

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: May 3, 2019 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.



On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Curtis Delzer
 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.



On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Randy Barnett
 

Depends. A SATA 3 HDD is very slow compared to RAM at 50MBs. a SATA 3 SSD is slow compared to RAM at  500MBS. But 10 times faster than a HDD. A NVME SSD is still slow compared to Ram at 2.5GBs.  but 50 times faster than a HDD and 5 times faster than a SATA SSD.
AS for RAM: DDR 1 average of 2.6GBs DDR 2 average of 5.3GBs DDR 3 average of 11.5GBs and DDR 4 average of 20.2GBs. So as you can see only the DDR 1 compares to a NVME SSD and you wont find that or DDR 2 on a NVME capable motherboard. So Ram is still way faster than any other mainstream storage at this time.

On 5/2/2019 5:44 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:


What if one has a SSD?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

 


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I still think Accent sounds better than Double Talk, but we all know how subjective we are when it comes to synthesizers. It’s like how some people prefer to read audio books and I mean novels like best sellers and such with a TTS rather than listening to a human reader, I’ll never understand that given how much a good reader can bring to a book.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.

 

My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You can Google it and find samples, it sounds horrible, but as Rick said, to each their own and I won't argue with somebody's opinion even if I feel it's an outdated one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Cool! Thanks for the explanation. I'd love to hear Tripple Talk in action one day.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt...



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: more Jaws problems from my list...

Hi All,

To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence.

I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously.

Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me.

Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

Thanks to all,

Rick

c cleaner 5.56 accessibility

Marvin Hunkin <startrekvoyager@...>
 

Hi, using the latest version of c cleaner, 5.56. not very accessible with jaws and go to the tools section, it just says when go to start up, just says 1 of how ever apps. Does not read the apps list. So do I contact Vispero and see if they can fix accessibility with c cleaner or contact the developers.

Any one got the latest c cleaner.

Thanks.

 

Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Rick Mladek
 

What if one has a SSD?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

 


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

Re: ElBraille

Michael Munn
 

I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy.
In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with   both 14 and 40 cells.  There are things that I need to tell you about this unit.  The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i  suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs.
I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach  the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display.
Conclusion: 
this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device.  if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Richard Turner
 


Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.
But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image code.
HTH,
Richard
  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On May 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: ElBraille

Tyler Wood
 

Hello,

I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable.

 

TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love.

 

Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low.

 

Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power.

 

I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing.

 

Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows.

 

I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille

 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

Curtis Delzer
 

Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10.  It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes.  Just an observation.  Yours and anyone elses thoughts?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Yes, I use Office 365.  JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 bit:

 

 


Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.

 

To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software.

 

Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row

 

For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading.

 

Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section.

 

To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting.

 

Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents

 

You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:

 

• Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
 and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.

 

When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail.

 

Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.

 

See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
 for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content.

 

Visit the
Design Science
 website for more details about MathType.

 

Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher

 

In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app.

 

To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.

 

Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

 

 

ElBraille

Justin Mcdevitt
 

Hello List-members,

 

I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.

If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.

I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.

The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.

I would appreciate any and all responses.

 

Best, Justin

Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets.  These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them:  like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen readers.  Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links.  This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from them.  So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter.  Contact me off list if you are interested to take this approach.  Cheers!

On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Richard Turner
 

Kevin,
As for colors, mainly you want to be sure there is a clear contrast between the words and the background.
Don't use dark gray on light gray. If possible, set up a way for people to adjust it on the fly for themselves.
I don't know the coding to do that.
Test your page in several browsers.
Label graphics that give meaningful information; like if a link is going to a PDF file, or what it is to.
If it is just a blue line to separate sections, I wouldn't tag it with anything but a blank tag.
If it is a logo, like Dave's, then you want to give it a useful tag.
HTH,
Richard


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On May 2, 2019, at 3:52 PM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...> wrote:

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Kevin Meyers

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: Sage 50

Richard B. McDonald
 

Many thanks!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sage 50

 

To me it is very accessible, but I know Sage 50 like the back of my hand because I have been using it and its previous version, Simply Accounting, for well over 20 years.

There are things  you have to do with the Jaws cursor, sometimes the touch cursor and under Windows 10 you are generally better off not to use the traditional accessibility display driver which is still the default. The new so-called “GDI Hooking” method reads more in Sage, for example, if I lookup a transaction I entered in the purchases journal or bring up a trial balance or vendor aged report then I can read this information with the Jaws cursor if I don’t use the accessibility display driver, if I use it the Jaws cursor only reads blank. You can of course get around this as well by bringing up the report and then press Alt + F followed by “O” which is the command to “Open in Excel”. It will ask you to save the file, but once you do Excel opens and loads whichever report you have on the screen. If I have to really do a lot of detailed checking of data and maybe search for something this is my preferred method.

Also, the main screen of Sage does not read at all, this is where you select if you want to use the General Journal, Bank Reconciliation, the Purchases or Payments modules/journals etc. I know that if I open Sage I have to tab 5 times for the general journal, 6 times for bank reconciliation, 7 times for the Suppliers list, 8 times for purchases and 9 times for payments.

Somebody who wasn’t as familiar with the program and who tried to use it for the first time would probably be very frustrated and conclude that it is largely inaccessible.

I haven’t upgraded because I was sick and tired of paying them hundreds of Dollars every year for their so-called support which I never use and to get a new version which essentially was no different than the previous one. I also used to use their payroll module and during that time I had no choice because my annual payment also included the updates to the tax tables for Canada and so on. But for some years now I use a payroll service called Payworks where all we have to do is log in and enter each employees hours and they do the rest. A few days later (I do payroll every 2 weeks) the wages are auto-deposited into each employees bank account, Payworks does the monthly payments to the government for employment insurance, Canada Pension Plan and the income tax deductions and if an employee quits they file the Record of Employment and all that. I am a member of the Canadian Federation for Independent Business and as such I get a pretty big discount for this service, it only costs I think $11.95 per pay period (26 per year) and 99 Cents per employee for the auto deposit etc.

If you need a comprehensive accounting solution and are not invested in one yet I would absolutely recommend Quickbooks. They have an accessibility department and have done a lot to make their online solution which works via a monthly subscription accessible. If you want to use their desktop version you do have to pay for scripts which some company developed. Intuit also sponsors Aira so if you use their software or service you can call Aira for free to get help with anything. The person you want to contact about accessibility is Ted Drake:

 

Ted Drake

Principal Engineer, Intuit Accessibility

Work Phone: 650-944-5265

Cell Phone: 650-245-4825

Email: ted_drake@...

Twitter: @ted_drake

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 8:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Sage 50

 

Hi Sieghard!

 

I noticed in your below that you use Sage 50 Accounting 2014.  How accessible is it with JAWS 2019?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New

 

I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare.

I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

David & his pack of dogs
 

Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs.  My logo is a picture of my former guide dog.  On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture.  For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.  The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded.  So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.

Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.

I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

I just noticed that when I begin to type in an email address, Outlook 2010, it does not automaticly store and yes, this is checked in settings to do so. Another big frustrating point is the total inability to get spellchecker in Outlook, to work. All freezes up until I either hit escape or alt tab back to the email being proofed. This is by hitting  F7.

 

Suggestions or fixes highly appreciated,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal  
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 4:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

My understanding is that for some stand alone license users, this problem is no longer an issue either.

Vispero said they’d get back to me today with a possible fix and that they’d also maybe follow up via phone.

We’ll see.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

I use Office 365 and it’s not an issue on any of my machines.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Just updated. And … That damn email address announcement bug is still there.

Good God. Off to let Vispero know. Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sieghard,

I haven’t had time to run the install on the latest update, but hopefully can get around to doing it tonight.

This particular email address issue is present on both my Windows 10 machines. Running a stand-alone Office 2016 license on both computers.

Hopefully, after I update and reboot, this will all be moot.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi Christobal,

 

Granted I am on a Jaws Beta built, but the auto-suggest feature has worked for me now consistently for many month and while you may not have the official April update (or May update since we are almost in May), this definitely worked for the March update and the February update. Here is an example, I start a new email and type the letter “j”:

 

JAWS Private Beta Group. JAWSBETA@.... (Recent People).
1 of 5
Jonathan Mosen. jmosen@.... (Recent People).
2 of 5
Johnna Simmons. johnnascat@.... (Other Suggestions).
3 of 5
James Robinson. jardatalearningcenter@.... (Other Suggestions).
4 of 5
Jenifer Barr. claudastar@.... (Other Suggestions).
5 of 5

 

As soon as I typed the “J” it read me out the address for the Jaws list, then I simply arrowed down through the other suggestions.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

This is a known bug that is still frustratingly present for some of us Jaws 2019 and Office 2016 users.

Every time a new JFW update comes out, I report it and it’s acknowledged and am told that Vispero’s working on a fix. I think the last message I got that hopefully it would finally be addressed with the next Jaws update was back in March of this year. Who knows.

Anyway, one partial workaround is to execute the alt+K command after typing out a few letters of an email address. You’ll then be taken to a list of emails where you can choose from. This won’t work if you don’t have that particular email saved in your address book though.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

I use JAWS 2019 and MS 2016 and still get the suggestions when I type the first letter.  Sounds like a setting has changed in your Outlook.  At times my settings have changed  due to updates.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 3:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

I’m using Outlook 2016 and Jaws 2019. When I was using Jaws 2018 I would create an email. I would be on the to line, type in a character and would get a list of email addresses that begin with that character. Now using jaws 2019 the list doesn’t exist. Is the list in a Jaws file? Thanks, Kevin

Re: Eloquence is the easiest due to hearing problem

Van Lant, Robin
 

Fascinating, since I actually find that something in the vibration Eloquence causes in my ears is hard for me to tolerate.  I was a huge DecTalk fan for 20 years, but now that I’m on JAWS, I have moved to Vocalizer Nathan.  Not crazy about some of  the assumptions Vocalizer  makes for abbreviations and pronunciations, but there is just something about Eloquence that I find fuzzy with the way my hearing works.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Eloquence is the easiest due to hearing problem

 

I have used eloquence for 25 years; guess just got used to it; for some reason, due to having chronic ringing in the ears; other synthesizers are hard for me to hear.

Marv

 

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