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Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

Cristóbal
 

My understanding is that for some stand alone license users, this problem is no longer an issue either.

Vispero said they’d get back to me today with a possible fix and that they’d also maybe follow up via phone.

We’ll see.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

I use Office 365 and it’s not an issue on any of my machines.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Just updated. And … That damn email address announcement bug is still there.

Good God. Off to let Vispero know. Again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi Sieghard,

I haven’t had time to run the install on the latest update, but hopefully can get around to doing it tonight.

This particular email address issue is present on both my Windows 10 machines. Running a stand-alone Office 2016 license on both computers.

Hopefully, after I update and reboot, this will all be moot.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi Christobal,

 

Granted I am on a Jaws Beta built, but the auto-suggest feature has worked for me now consistently for many month and while you may not have the official April update (or May update since we are almost in May), this definitely worked for the March update and the February update. Here is an example, I start a new email and type the letter “j”:

 

JAWS Private Beta Group. JAWSBETA@.... (Recent People).
1 of 5
Jonathan Mosen. jmosen@.... (Recent People).
2 of 5
Johnna Simmons. johnnascat@.... (Other Suggestions).
3 of 5
James Robinson. jardatalearningcenter@.... (Other Suggestions).
4 of 5
Jenifer Barr. claudastar@.... (Other Suggestions).
5 of 5

 

As soon as I typed the “J” it read me out the address for the Jaws list, then I simply arrowed down through the other suggestions.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

This is a known bug that is still frustratingly present for some of us Jaws 2019 and Office 2016 users.

Every time a new JFW update comes out, I report it and it’s acknowledged and am told that Vispero’s working on a fix. I think the last message I got that hopefully it would finally be addressed with the next Jaws update was back in March of this year. Who knows.

Anyway, one partial workaround is to execute the alt+K command after typing out a few letters of an email address. You’ll then be taken to a list of emails where you can choose from. This won’t work if you don’t have that particular email saved in your address book though.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

I use JAWS 2019 and MS 2016 and still get the suggestions when I type the first letter.  Sounds like a setting has changed in your Outlook.  At times my settings have changed  due to updates.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 3:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: email addresses using Outlook 2016

 

I’m using Outlook 2016 and Jaws 2019. When I was using Jaws 2018 I would create an email. I would be on the to line, type in a character and would get a list of email addresses that begin with that character. Now using jaws 2019 the list doesn’t exist. Is the list in a Jaws file? Thanks, Kevin


Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Marty Hutchings
 

Kevin,  It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link.  A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”  All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.
Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them.  I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.”  I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address.  The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.
I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine.  By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting.  I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM
Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 


Re: copy JFW settings

Mike B
 

Hi Mark,
 
Try the following:
You export all your settings by going into the Jaws context menu with, Jaws key + J, if you run Jaws from the system tray.  Then go to, Utilities / Import 
/ Export settings submenu and press enter.  Now arrow down to, Export settings..., press enter, now make sure that the, Export all settings radio  button
is selected.  Tab to, next, press spacebar.  You're now in a dialog to select a name & save location, but the file will already be named and the default
location is the desktop, so tab to finish , press enter and all your settings for that Jaws version will be saved to the desktop.  After you install Jaws
just import this settings file.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 6:48 AM
Subject: copy JFW settings

Hi Listers,

 

I want to copy all of my JFW settings from an old computer to a new computer.  JFW is already installed and authorized on both computers. 

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yours,

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Mark


Re: copy JFW settings

David Moore
 

Hi, here is what you need to do, to get your jaws settings to your second computer. Step number one, go to the utilities menu in Jaws. Press enter on that, in go to export settings. You need to export these settings as a vial that will be stored on your default storage folder. Now, find that file that just got exported to your computer, and copy it, and paste it in Dropbox, other cloud service, or a external drive. Now, go to your second computer, go to the utilities menu of Jaws, and select import settings. Now, make sure you know where your file is in the cloud or you will have to hook up your external drive to that second computer. when you press enter on import settings a dialog will open and you can find the file of settings that you exported. press enter on open, and your settings will be imported into Jaws on your second computer. I hope that makes sense.
David Moore


On Thu, May 2, 2019, 4:20 PM Mark McCracken <markmccracken@... wrote:

Hi Listers,

 

I want to copy all of my JFW settings from an old computer to a new computer.  JFW is already installed and authorized on both computers. 

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yours,

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Mark


JAWS and SmartBoard

Justin Mcdevitt
 

Hello Group,

 

I am writing to inquire if anyone is familiar with the SmartBoard technology and its compatibility with JAWS?

 

Best,  Justin


copy JFW settings

Mark McCracken <markmccracken@...>
 

Hi Listers,

 

I want to copy all of my JFW settings from an old computer to a new computer.  JFW is already installed and authorized on both computers. 

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yours,

 

                                                                                                                                                                                            Mark


where is graphics accelerator located

marvin kotler
 

Good afternoon list; I have  the same problem writing messages in windows ten mail; jaws is sluggish.  I have to type real slow to hear what is what.  So, where would I find graphics accelerator?

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Office 365 invitation received

Rick Mladek
 

Thanks Randy... cleared that up lol...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365 invitation received

Hi Pam it’s just the one that pays the subscription so everything is sent under her name. But no it doesn’t allow anyone access to anything it just gives you full access as a licensed user to the office suite that’s it nothing else. And it’s just temporary just let you know if you want to switch if that’s your issue or not. After a few days I’ll disable it. As we use the family plan with Pam gets her subscription and then we have five other ones we can share. And we don’t use all of them so that’s why I can offer you one temporarily.
Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On May 2, 2019, at 3:51 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm not sure but who is Pamela Barnett? I received an invitation, from her, where she is sharing her Microsoft 365 program with me. As so damned nice of you to offer this Pam, this truly makes me nervous where I have to click on this tab or that and click to accept your invitation. Am I offering someone to get into my network? As much as I love your offer Pam, I'm nervous as hell to do anything.

Your biggest fan,

Rick


Re: Times Jaws not coming up during boot up

Randy Barnett
 

Hi this behavior started with windows 10 sometimes jobs comes on at the logon screen for me and sometimes narrator comes on and sometimes nothing comes on at all I have no raider set to never come on under any circumstances for any reason but it still will hijack the logon screen from time to time. And if Josh is the tax narrator it doesn’t start but then again sometimes it does neither one starts so I’m not sure why but yeah head to windows 10 thing.

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On May 2, 2019, at 5:58 AM, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote:

Hello, I’m using Jaws2019 which is set to start up at logon screen. There are times it occurs and times it doesn’t. I have it on my desktop so I can just press window key plus D, j and hit enter to get it to start. Is there a reason this occurs? Thanks Kevin


Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Randy Barnett
 

Hi Rick it’s kind of counterintuitive in this situation. The graphics acceleration is supposed to offload the graphics rendering to your video card that’s freeing up CPU cycles for your other programs. But for some reason with jaws it seems to do the opposite and slows things down. And yes it’s strictly for sighted people and graphics it doesn’t help us at all in fact as you’ve noticed it makes things worse at times. Although this is strange just like I said it’s actually offloading CPU load to the graphics card and sharing that processing load with the graphics processor.

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On May 2, 2019, at 3:44 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi,

What is this for, I mean to ask what is graphics acceleration needed when we do not use graphics in text to speech software? I have checked the box and my pc seemingly is running some better although not perfectly...

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

No, it needs t be checked, the control reads as follows:
Disable hardware graphics acceleration
You "disable" it if you check the box.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Hi, Rick. You wrote:

Hi,

There was only 5 add-ins so I ignored them. I got the graphics accelerator box checked and the other unchecked.

I think the Accellerator box is supposed to be unchecked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Hi,

There was only 5 add-ins so I ignored them. I got the graphics accelerator box checked and the other unchecked. I'll let you know and thanks for your help.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Another thing that can be attempted is to disable Outlook add-ons. These can sometimes monkey around with Outlook.
Obviously you don't want to disable an add-on that you need, but you'd be surprised what gets enabled. Poke around and turn off what you don't need.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Hi, Rick. Cristóbal wrote:

File, options advanced. You can either tab forever or shift tab a few times till you get to these options.
Disable hardware graphics acceleration check box checked Play animated GIFs check box not checked I as you can see, also have the JIF's disabled and in general, I have pretty much anything having to do with visual indicators or animations turned off wherever I find them.
I believe there's another place in Outlook options where you can access the hardware acceleration checkbox, but this is the one I know of off hand.
Cristóbal

I hope this helps you, Rick.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Would you please repeat the steps to disable graphic acceleration?

Thank you,

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Is there any reason you can’t use Thunderbird?

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On May 1, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...> wrote:

Hi All,

So I implemented your suggestion of disabling graphic acceleration, and that has certainly improved things, but it still becomes sluggish sometimes with JAWS. It does emit air when it does this. I have to type out my mails elsewhere and then copy-paste them, which is a real pain. I also have to keep going to desktop or elsewhere and then coming up, for the short respite of being able to use Outlook seamlessly.

Best,
Rahul

On 22/04/2019, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Hi,
Sounds like you got the issue fixed. No, plain text vs HTML should
not make a difference but was trying to eliminate the small stuff
first. The extra air indicates , as has been said, increased CPU load.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Dan, I think plain text, but I am not sure. Could that make a difference?
Also, my laptop emits some air from the vents on the side - more than
usual
- when it becomes sluggish like this.
On Apr 21, 2019, at 12:06 AM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
wrote:

Hi,
This is a tough one. Are you using plain text or HTML to respond? I
cannot think of any Outlook options that may cause this behavior when
typing. Could it be a JAWS setting? Sorry, not much help I know.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Hi all,

I use JAWS 2018, Windows 10, Outlook 16. JAWS behaves very sluggishly
in
Outlook when crafting messages. I have uninstalled and reinstalled
Outlook, and that has not fixed the issue. I currently write my emails
in Notepad and then copy-paste them which is inconvenient.

Can anyone think of other workarounds? I know that this problem does
not
come up for most, but I would nonetheless like to know what you would
do in case you were facing this issue. Thank you so much.

Best,
Rahul



--
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Rahul Bajaj
Candidate for the BCL
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford













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Rahul Bajaj
Candidate for the BCL
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


Re: Office 365 invitation received

Randy Barnett
 

Hi Pam it’s just the one that pays the subscription so everything is sent under her name. But no it doesn’t allow anyone access to anything it just gives you full access as a licensed user to the office suite that’s it nothing else. And it’s just temporary just let you know if you want to switch if that’s your issue or not. After a few days I’ll disable it. As we use the family plan with Pam gets her subscription and then we have five other ones we can share. And we don’t use all of them so that’s why I can offer you one temporarily.
Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On May 2, 2019, at 3:51 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm not sure but who is Pamela Barnett? I received an invitation, from her, where she is sharing her Microsoft 365 program with me. As so damned nice of you to offer this Pam, this truly makes me nervous where I have to click on this tab or that and click to accept your invitation. Am I offering someone to get into my network? As much as I love your offer Pam, I'm nervous as hell to do anything.

Your biggest fan,

Rick


do have a small problem;

marvin kotler
 

Good afternoon again list; marv here.  When I type when jaws speaks characters, the speech is slow this is only while typing a message in windows ten mail.  Can I do anything without speeding up the speech rate?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Eloquence is the easiest due to hearing problem

marvin kotler
 

I have used eloquence for 25 years; guess just got used to it; for some reason, due to having chronic ringing in the ears; other synthesizers are hard for me to hear.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


glad jaws has an adjustable speech rate

marvin kotler
 

Good afternoon list; I started using jaws in 1995; due to a hearing problem, cannot run jaws faster than speech in a human conversation.  Good day to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Rick Mladek
 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Sandra Streeter
 

Having my initial experience with computers in the late 1980s, I had so much fun with that demo—chuckled all the way through it. I, too, prefer Eloquence over the newer ones, which, although better for inflection,  have a slight garble I just can’t live with.

 

Sandra

 

Something is wrong, I know it, if I don't keep my attention on eternity. May I be the tiniest nail in the house of the universe, tiny but useful.

(Mary Oliver)

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

JM Casey
 

God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.

 

My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

JM Casey
 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

JM Casey
 

But, while it wouldn't necessarily solve the resource issue, Eloquence itself is not very resource-intensive (especially compared with the vocalizer software synth that now comes free with Jaws), you could always have the screen-reader audio go through a separate speaker connected to the PC's internal sound while your real audio system (for music, movies and so on) goes through another sound device. That's what I plan to do soon, anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt...



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: more Jaws problems from my list...

Hi All,

To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence.

I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously.

Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me.

Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

Thanks to all,

Rick


Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site

Zel Iscel
 

Hi Kevin,

 

Below are my preferences. Hope this helps.

 

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:19 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site

 

Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.

 

Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.

I’d like to know that the link is presented in a graphic, what the link does and possibly, a brief desdviption under the link of what the graphic is. What are those graphics around the link anyway? Is it the title of a link presented as an image, is it a logo or an actual picture? Ok, it’s not the most important thing in the world to know, but it will give us information that everyone else gets.

 

 

There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?

 

I’d prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture. I’m nosey so I’d like to know how the site is decorated. It may be good to state that it’s a decoration too because it may not be so obvious for those of us who’ve never had any sight.

 

When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.

 

I’d put a link for more details if necessary but I’d use it wisely. I think it would be useful for complex images like diagrams, maps, etc.

 

Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?

 

Can’t help you there but I understand that the emphasis is on colour contrasts, not necessarily any particular colours.

 

If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.

 

Forms AND CAPTCHAS ARE SOME OF MY BIGGEST HEADACHES.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers