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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Sandra Streeter
Having my initial experience with computers in the late 1980s, I had so much fun with that demo—chuckled all the way through it. I, too, prefer Eloquence over the newer ones, which, although better for inflection, have a slight garble I just can’t live with.
Sandra
Something is wrong, I know it, if I don't keep my attention on eternity. May I be the tiniest nail in the house of the universe, tiny but useful. (Mary Oliver)
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.
My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards, Sieghard
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Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources. The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
But, while it wouldn't necessarily solve the resource issue, Eloquence itself is not very resource-intensive (especially compared with the vocalizer software synth that now comes free with Jaws), you could always have the screen-reader audio go through a separate speaker connected to the PC's internal sound while your real audio system (for music, movies and so on) goes through another sound device. That's what I plan to do soon, anyway.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: May 2, 2019 10:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Zel Iscel
Hi Kevin,
Below are my preferences. Hope this helps.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:19 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link. I’d like to know that the link is presented in a graphic, what the link does and possibly, a brief desdviption under the link of what the graphic is. What are those graphics around the link anyway? Is it the title of a link presented as an image, is it a logo or an actual picture? Ok, it’s not the most important thing in the world to know, but it will give us information that everyone else gets.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
I’d prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture. I’m nosey so I’d like to know how the site is decorated. It may be good to state that it’s a decoration too because it may not be so obvious for those of us who’ve never had any sight.
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
I’d put a link for more details if necessary but I’d use it wisely. I think it would be useful for complex images like diagrams, maps, etc.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
Can’t help you there but I understand that the emphasis is on colour contrasts, not necessarily any particular colours.
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Forms AND CAPTCHAS ARE SOME OF MY BIGGEST HEADACHES.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
Hi. For web accessibility, it is important to take a balanced
approach. Don't make accessibility as a must do thingy, it must
be a priority. At the same time, having a page that is too
verbose in it's description can be a source of distraction. An
image is good for banner description, or a link that deserves
highlighting, or a point that is worth stressing, but not every
image needs a description in my opinion because your visitors are
more keen to get to the meat of your web site.s content. Cheers!
On 5/2/2019 10:18 PM, Kevin Meyers
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Rick Mladek
Hi Kevin,
Regarding the description of the graphics/images, alt text is your best bet to keep the page neat an uncluttered. Jaws will read all you put in and those that can see, they’ll see the graphic and know what to do visually…
Brief explanations may cause confusion, if to explain the link, a middle of the road amount will be beneficial other than more info. Ex: graphic of a more link. The alt text can say more but that tells us nothing, even for those sighted. If the graphic and alt text were to have something as, read more about common jobs for those vision impaired or blind. Then the visitor would not get frustrated searching a website longer than necessary. We all have experienced this haven’t we?
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:19 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Cool! Thanks for the explanation. I'd love to hear Tripple Talk in action one day.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Graphics and pictures on a web site
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Hi again Rick,
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I just found your message below so no need to respond to my previous email. Cheers Zel
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 8:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides blame the other... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
This is not an alt text problem. It is java script that Jaws is reading and
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gettting stuck in/on for some reason...I took the advice and went into default settings and turned off the graphics labeling... in time we'll see if this helps...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Marty, Most likely the numbers are bing read as the person that created the web site didn't use an alt label to tell a screen reader what the graphic shows. Does it say link by that graphic? Which web site does happen on? Did you get the email I sent you the other day about graphics/pictures on a web site? This is related to my web development class. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Chris Hill
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards, Sieghard
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Marty, Most likely the numbers are bing read as the person that created the
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web site didn't use an alt label to tell a screen reader what the graphic shows. Does it say link by that graphic? Which web site does happen on? Did you get the email I sent you the other day about graphics/pictures on a web site? This is related to my web development class.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Chris Hill
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
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On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Hi Marty, I'll look through the settings and turn off these labled
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graphics... Thanks for the tip...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
It would help if you guys could provide some concrete examples, i.e. links to web pages where you experience this issue so others on the list can go there and see if it also happens for them.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Marty Hutchings
Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you.
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Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13
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From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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