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Re: Times Jaws not coming up during boot up
Randy Barnett
Hi this behavior started with windows 10 sometimes jobs comes on at the logon screen for me and sometimes narrator comes on and sometimes nothing comes on at all I have no raider set to never come on under any circumstances for any reason but it still will hijack the logon screen from time to time. And if Josh is the tax narrator it doesn’t start but then again sometimes it does neither one starts so I’m not sure why but yeah head to windows 10 thing.
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Randy Barnett owner of soundtique
On May 2, 2019, at 5:58 AM, Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...> wrote:
Hello, I’m using Jaws2019 which is set to start up at logon screen. There are times it occurs and times it doesn’t. I have it on my desktop so I can just press window key plus D, j and hit enter to get it to start. Is there a reason this occurs? Thanks Kevin
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Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook
Randy Barnett
Hi Rick it’s kind of counterintuitive in this situation. The graphics acceleration is supposed to offload the graphics rendering to your video card that’s freeing up CPU cycles for your other programs. But for some reason with jaws it seems to do the opposite and slows things down. And yes it’s strictly for sighted people and graphics it doesn’t help us at all in fact as you’ve noticed it makes things worse at times. Although this is strange just like I said it’s actually offloading CPU load to the graphics card and sharing that processing load with the graphics processor.
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On May 2, 2019, at 3:44 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi, What is this for, I mean to ask what is graphics acceleration needed when we do not use graphics in text to speech software? I have checked the box and my pc seemingly is running some better although not perfectly... Rick -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook No, it needs t be checked, the control reads as follows: Disable hardware graphics acceleration You "disable" it if you check the box. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Hi, Rick. You wrote: Hi, There was only 5 add-ins so I ignored them. I got the graphics accelerator box checked and the other unchecked. I think the Accellerator box is supposed to be unchecked. Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 5:20 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Hi, There was only 5 add-ins so I ignored them. I got the graphics accelerator box checked and the other unchecked. I'll let you know and thanks for your help. Rick -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Another thing that can be attempted is to disable Outlook add-ons. These can sometimes monkey around with Outlook. Obviously you don't want to disable an add-on that you need, but you'd be surprised what gets enabled. Poke around and turn off what you don't need. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 4:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Hi, Rick. Cristóbal wrote: File, options advanced. You can either tab forever or shift tab a few times till you get to these options. Disable hardware graphics acceleration check box checked Play animated GIFs check box not checked I as you can see, also have the JIF's disabled and in general, I have pretty much anything having to do with visual indicators or animations turned off wherever I find them. I believe there's another place in Outlook options where you can access the hardware acceleration checkbox, but this is the one I know of off hand. Cristóbal I hope this helps you, Rick. Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 3:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Would you please repeat the steps to disable graphic acceleration? Thank you, Rick -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook Is there any reason you can’t use Thunderbird? Randy Barnett owner of soundtique On May 1, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@gmail.com> wrote: Hi All, So I implemented your suggestion of disabling graphic acceleration, and that has certainly improved things, but it still becomes sluggish sometimes with JAWS. It does emit air when it does this. I have to type out my mails elsewhere and then copy-paste them, which is a real pain. I also have to keep going to desktop or elsewhere and then coming up, for the short respite of being able to use Outlook seamlessly. Best, Rahul On 22/04/2019, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@gmail.com> wrote: -- -- Rahul Bajaj Candidate for the BCL Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford
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Re: Office 365 invitation received
Randy Barnett
Hi Pam it’s just the one that pays the subscription so everything is sent under her name. But no it doesn’t allow anyone access to anything it just gives you full access as a licensed user to the office suite that’s it nothing else. And it’s just temporary just let you know if you want to switch if that’s your issue or not. After a few days I’ll disable it. As we use the family plan with Pam gets her subscription and then we have five other ones we can share. And we don’t use all of them so that’s why I can offer you one temporarily.
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On May 2, 2019, at 3:51 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi, I'm not sure but who is Pamela Barnett? I received an invitation, from her, where she is sharing her Microsoft 365 program with me. As so damned nice of you to offer this Pam, this truly makes me nervous where I have to click on this tab or that and click to accept your invitation. Am I offering someone to get into my network? As much as I love your offer Pam, I'm nervous as hell to do anything. Your biggest fan, Rick
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do have a small problem;
marvin kotler
Good afternoon again list; marv here. When I type when jaws speaks characters, the speech is slow this is only while typing a message in windows ten mail. Can I do anything without speeding up the speech rate?
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Eloquence is the easiest due to hearing problem
marvin kotler
I have used eloquence for 25 years; guess just got used to it; for some reason, due to having chronic ringing in the ears; other synthesizers are hard for me to hear. Marv
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glad jaws has an adjustable speech rate
marvin kotler
Good afternoon list; I started using jaws in 1995; due to a hearing problem, cannot run jaws faster than speech in a human conversation. Good day to all. Marv
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Hey all,
Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?
Rick
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources. The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Sandra Streeter
Having my initial experience with computers in the late 1980s, I had so much fun with that demo—chuckled all the way through it. I, too, prefer Eloquence over the newer ones, which, although better for inflection, have a slight garble I just can’t live with.
Sandra
Something is wrong, I know it, if I don't keep my attention on eternity. May I be the tiniest nail in the house of the universe, tiny but useful. (Mary Oliver)
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.
My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards, Sieghard
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Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources. The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
JM Casey
But, while it wouldn't necessarily solve the resource issue, Eloquence itself is not very resource-intensive (especially compared with the vocalizer software synth that now comes free with Jaws), you could always have the screen-reader audio go through a separate speaker connected to the PC's internal sound while your real audio system (for music, movies and so on) goes through another sound device. That's what I plan to do soon, anyway.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: May 2, 2019 10:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Zel Iscel
Hi Kevin,
Below are my preferences. Hope this helps.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:19 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link. I’d like to know that the link is presented in a graphic, what the link does and possibly, a brief desdviption under the link of what the graphic is. What are those graphics around the link anyway? Is it the title of a link presented as an image, is it a logo or an actual picture? Ok, it’s not the most important thing in the world to know, but it will give us information that everyone else gets.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
I’d prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture. I’m nosey so I’d like to know how the site is decorated. It may be good to state that it’s a decoration too because it may not be so obvious for those of us who’ve never had any sight.
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
I’d put a link for more details if necessary but I’d use it wisely. I think it would be useful for complex images like diagrams, maps, etc.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
Can’t help you there but I understand that the emphasis is on colour contrasts, not necessarily any particular colours.
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Forms AND CAPTCHAS ARE SOME OF MY BIGGEST HEADACHES.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Jaffar Sidek
Hi. For web accessibility, it is important to take a balanced
approach. Don't make accessibility as a must do thingy, it must
be a priority. At the same time, having a page that is too
verbose in it's description can be a source of distraction. An
image is good for banner description, or a link that deserves
highlighting, or a point that is worth stressing, but not every
image needs a description in my opinion because your visitors are
more keen to get to the meat of your web site.s content. Cheers!
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Rick Mladek
Hi Kevin,
Regarding the description of the graphics/images, alt text is your best bet to keep the page neat an uncluttered. Jaws will read all you put in and those that can see, they’ll see the graphic and know what to do visually…
Brief explanations may cause confusion, if to explain the link, a middle of the road amount will be beneficial other than more info. Ex: graphic of a more link. The alt text can say more but that tells us nothing, even for those sighted. If the graphic and alt text were to have something as, read more about common jobs for those vision impaired or blind. Then the visitor would not get frustrated searching a website longer than necessary. We all have experienced this haven’t we?
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:19 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Cool! Thanks for the explanation. I'd love to hear Tripple Talk in action one day.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Graphics and pictures on a web site
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Hi again Rick,
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I just found your message below so no need to respond to my previous email. Cheers Zel
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 8:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides blame the other... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Zel Iscel
Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: more Jaws problems from my list... Hi All, To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. Any thoughts on this baffling issue? I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. Thanks to all, Rick
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
This is not an alt text problem. It is java script that Jaws is reading and
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gettting stuck in/on for some reason...I took the advice and went into default settings and turned off the graphics labeling... in time we'll see if this helps...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Marty, Most likely the numbers are bing read as the person that created the web site didn't use an alt label to tell a screen reader what the graphic shows. Does it say link by that graphic? Which web site does happen on? Did you get the email I sent you the other day about graphics/pictures on a web site? This is related to my web development class. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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