Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
This is not an alt text problem. It is java script that Jaws is reading and
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gettting stuck in/on for some reason...I took the advice and went into default settings and turned off the graphics labeling... in time we'll see if this helps...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Marty, Most likely the numbers are bing read as the person that created the web site didn't use an alt label to tell a screen reader what the graphic shows. Does it say link by that graphic? Which web site does happen on? Did you get the email I sent you the other day about graphics/pictures on a web site? This is related to my web development class. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Chris Hill
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards, Sieghard
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Marty, Most likely the numbers are bing read as the person that created the
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web site didn't use an alt label to tell a screen reader what the graphic shows. Does it say link by that graphic? Which web site does happen on? Did you get the email I sent you the other day about graphics/pictures on a web site? This is related to my web development class.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Chris Hill
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
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On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Hi Marty, I'll look through the settings and turn off these labled
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graphics... Thanks for the tip...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
It would help if you guys could provide some concrete examples, i.e. links to web pages where you experience this issue so others on the list can go there and see if it also happens for them.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you. Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Marty Hutchings
Rick, I am using an internal synth and also experience JAWS reading seemingly endless strings of numbers, characters and letters when down arrowing through a web page. I can usually get JAWS to stop by hitting the Control Key, but sometimes, that does not even work. I was told just yesterday that these may be labeld graphics. I have changed the way JAWS reads graphics. I can't remember where I was able to do this as a friend walked me through it over the phone. I do remember that there were three options, All graphics, Labeld Graphics only, or No graphics. Maybe someone else on this list can help find this setting for you.
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Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13
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From: Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 8:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Agreed...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:30 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Tripple Talk and Double Talk speech is sooooo much more pleasant than any other synthesizer. At 08:23 AM 5/2/2019, you wrote: Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Ann Byrne
Tripple Talk and Double Talk speech is sooooo much more pleasant than any other synthesizer.
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At 08:23 AM 5/2/2019, you wrote:
Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The tripleother... simultaneously. Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
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Re: Times Jaws not coming up during boot up
Dan Longmore
Freedom Scientific reports that on certain models jaws may not always respond correctly at the lock screen and logon. If this occurs at the escape key on your keyboard, if there is still no response use your jars shortcut keys to start the program. This is
apparently an intermittent issue not on all systems.
From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:58 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Times Jaws not coming up during boot up Hello, I’m using Jaws2019 which is set to start up at logon screen. There are times it occurs and times it doesn’t. I have it on my desktop so I can just press window key plus D, j and hit enter to get it to start. Is there a reason this occurs? Thanks Kevin
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Re: Times Jaws not coming up during boot up
Chris Hill
Yep. If you don't have to enter a password on the logon screen, make sure jaws isn't set to start on the logon screen, just have it set to start after logon.
On 5/2/2019 07:58, Kevin Meyers wrote:
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Chris Hill
Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age.
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On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:
I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple talk,
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G mail tutorial with JAWs
Palmer Loux
Friends I am interested in helping a JAWS user client to access her Gmail effectively. She does not have outlook unfortunately so she is having to use her browser and go to GMail
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Can anyone supply me with some JAWS and gmail hit keys to help? I know when G Mail opens she can press T for table to get to the inbox. Anything else would be much appreciated Thank you kindly, Palmer
On May 2, 2019, at 7:28 AM, John Covici <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote: --
Palmer from CBVI
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
No harm in trying Eloquence and see if you indeed experience the same problems. When dealing with stuff like that any solution is usually a process of trial and error or, if you prefer, of elimination.
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I haven't used a hardware synthesizer probably since the days of Windows 95 or at least Windows 98. I am not saying it's wrong to use one, but most systems especially nowadays have more than enough computing power and RAM to handle a software synthesizer especially one like Eloquence, but even Vocalizer nowadays is super responsive.in
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 5:44 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides blame the other... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Times Jaws not coming up during boot up
Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
Hello, I’m using Jaws2019 which is set to start up at logon screen. There are times it occurs and times it doesn’t. I have it on my desktop so I can just press window key plus D, j and hit enter to get it to start. Is there a reason this occurs? Thanks Kevin
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick Mladek
I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple talk,
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being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides blame the other...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Covici Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence. synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously. is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me. hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
John Covici
Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other
synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, Rick Mladek wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com
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Office 365 invitation received
Rick Mladek
Hi,
I'm not sure but who is Pamela Barnett? I received an invitation, from her, where she is sharing her Microsoft 365 program with me. As so damned nice of you to offer this Pam, this truly makes me nervous where I have to click on this tab or that and click to accept your invitation. Am I offering someone to get into my network? As much as I love your offer Pam, I'm nervous as hell to do anything. Your biggest fan, Rick
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