Date   

Re: $100 for a new computer?

David & his pack of dogs
 

Marty, years ago when I took my keyboard in to be fixed the tech said to get a new one would be far cheaper.  Because they would have to take all the keys out, dust them off then put them back together.  That was when keyboards were around $100 to buy.  Now, they are much cheaper.   One can get good ones on Amazon or Best Buy for around $30-50. If one shops around and look for sales on them, which happen all the time. Of course if one wants or needs an ergonomic or a fancy keyboard with media controls and other such bells and whistles, one could spend a lot of money, if that was what one really wanted to do.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: April 23, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

This is a new keyboard. It's one of those ones with buckling springs rather than rubber domes. I got it in August of 2018, and I think it's really amazing.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.  How about a new keyboard.

 

Marty

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:35 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),

Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


This is a new keyboard. It's one of those ones with buckling springs rather than rubber domes. I got it in August of 2018, and I think it's really amazing.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.  How about a new keyboard.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),
Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: One note and JAWS

 

Which Office 2016? The retail or subscription version? Jaws will work better with the subscription version and while I can’t really say too much being on the Jaws private Beta, well, I just can’t say too much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maurine Park
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:22 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: One note and JAWS

 

Hello,

I’m using JAWS 19 with one note 2016.

I’m wondering if there’s any work arounds for the 2 applications not working well together? I’m using one note with my ipad and iphone both running voice over and having no issues.

I’d appreciate any feedback.

Thanks,

 

 

Maurine Park

Assistive Technology Instructor in Training

E-mail park@...


Google privacy.

Randy Barnett
 

Google privacy settings.
Google privacy.
If you haven't looked at your Google settings lately you may want to. I noticed today that there is all kinds of personal settings that can be changed
now. It was a little surprising to see how much google was saving to use for advertising and 3rd parties.


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

That is not an uncommon price for a good keyboard and Annabell has a nice american made one so it wasnt cheap.

On 4/23/2019 8:13 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Wow, $80 for a keyboard.  I’ve got at least 3 of them just sitting around here collecting dust.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.
Takes all of 5 minutes, and costs nothing.  After I've plonked down over $80 for a keyboard, I would gladly use a key remapper.  They get used with some frequency, particularly when assistive technology is involved.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

Wow, $80 for a keyboard.  I’ve got at least 3 of them just sitting around here collecting dust.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.
Takes all of 5 minutes, and costs nothing.  After I've plonked down over $80 for a keyboard, I would gladly use a key remapper.  They get used with some frequency, particularly when assistive technology is involved.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Marty Hutchings wrote:
Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key. 
Takes all of 5 minutes, and costs nothing.  After I've plonked down over $80 for a keyboard, I would gladly use a key remapper.  They get used with some frequency, particularly when assistive technology is involved.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to change one key.  How about a new keyboard.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),
Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry about that. It seems Brian's suggestion is the best option right now. Dont give up on it. If you need help just ask and I will download the program and see if I can help you figure it out.

On 4/23/2019 6:23 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell





Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Oops, forgot to mention that you either need to log out and log in again, or restart Windows to make any remapping take effect after doing the Write to Registry.  It's not instant.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Just played with the portable version, and it's accessible.

I am guessing you'll end up mapping what Sharp Keys calls Special Right Alt (or, if it detects it, Special Right Alt GR) to the key Special Left Alt.  The "Type" key option in mapping doesn't work, at least on my laptop, for the "control sequence" keys to the left and right of the spacebar, so I have to go through the list for the From and To key in order to find the Special Key designations noted above.   You must use the "Write to Registry" button if you wish to make the change permanent (at least until you would undo it or redo it via Sharpkeys or a manual registry edit).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

No, SharpKeys is free, and I gave this link to where it can be obtained in my last message:   SharpKeys

If you want to go straight to the download page, thats:  https://github.com/randyrants/sharpkeys/releases

I do not know whether SharpKeys is accessible or not as I've never used it with a screen reader.  I'd appreciate a report back regarding it's accessibility.  Given the nature of the utility I expect it will be accessible, particularly since it uses an "old style" Windows interface and has been around a long while.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Does Sharp Keys cost anything? If so, how much? Where would I find it?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),
Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 08:11 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you),
Uh, no.  No one's signature "attacks you" or anyone else.  You are perfectly free to ignore them.

Back to the beginning, at least two of us have recommended you try a key remapper like SharpKeys or similar.  All appearances are that, for whatever reason, the output from your right ALT key is being interpreted as ALT-GR on your machine.  A key remapper, changing that key to straight ALT, is the fastest way to achieve your stated goal.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?

On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...

On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle Susan Morison.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle Susan Morison, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle Susan Morison and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Win 7 is exactly the same in this regard...

On 4/23/2019 3:23 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:
Yes when does 10 is more stable than seven And I find easier to use thanks to the windows key


On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

Which when it opens up a search box  so you can use the search box to find anything like settings on your computer  so you don’t have to worry about is it in control panel system settings etc.  But if you do you want to go to specific places  then it went to ski hill down with another key will do different things for you  search for short cut keys and windows 10 to learn more    Have a good day everyone  shan Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: upgrading to a newer computer?

Randy Barnett
 

I have to disagree with the windows 10 is more stable. Due to the nature of windows as a service with major changes every six months you never know what will break accessibility. I see lots of questions on the net concerning how win 10 is not working as expected just as I have with Win 7.
I dont have any issues with my win 7 machine at my shop. It just does what i need as I dont play around with it or keep installing all kinds of software. I have a set of programs and that is it and they arent buggy so I dont have issues.

On 4/23/2019 3:13 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

There is a learning curb with anything new.  My sister could not understand the lingo when she upgraded from windows  XP to windows 7  and gave me her computer.  Then listening to trouble making people asked for it back because they felt she got taken. She too, I don’t think wanted to learn. She could have had help in learning but refused.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell