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Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>

#68914

Hi, Marty. Yes, it can be changed without reinstalling JAWS.
1. Just press JAWS key plus J.
2. Press the ALT key.
3. If it says JAWS Options, press ENTER.
4. If it then says Basics, press ENTER again.
5. TAB five times, and make sure Run JAWS from System Tray is checked, by
using the Space Bar.
6. TAB another five times, and press Space Bar on the OK button.
7. Now restart the computer. When JAWS comes up, it will now be running in
the system tray.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Can this be changed without reinstalling JAWS?

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, 
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the 
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave...
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
  JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Dave...

#68913

Yes, Options menu in JAWS, Basics, Check the box "run from system tray", 
press OK

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings@wi.rr.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 08:18
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Can this be changed without reinstalling JAWS?

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave...
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
  JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Dave...

#68912

Mario,

Nope. Nothing was missed or cut off. It was a three-word reply with 
appropriate punctuation.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 07:31
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Dave, most of your email didn't make it. something went awry.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dave... [mailto:dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019, 10:19 AM
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
    JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice
in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

.

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Van Lant, Robin

#68911

David,

I don't think anyone suggested using Alt F4 and the JAWS key.  Alt F4 closes a program.  JAWS key F4 closes JAWS.  For thos of us with laptops where the F4 key is set to a media key by default, we must press the FN key along with F4 and the JAWS key to uninstall JAWS.  On the HP lapop, the F4 key provides options for screen projection, even when pressing the JAWS key with F4.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

why do you need to use, jaws/insert key+alt+f4,
you should be able to use insert+f4 to unload jaws.
this is true whether you use a wireless or not.

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
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Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Marty Hutchings

#68910

Can this be changed without reinstalling JAWS?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

Show quoted text

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave...
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
 JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Mario

#68909

Dave, most of your email didn't make it. something went awry.

Show quoted text

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dave... [mailto:dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019, 10:19 AM
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
    JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice 
in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

.

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Dave...

#68908

James -- system tray.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 00:34
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws
runs best.

James B

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by
default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup
wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will
have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind
of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
  JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my
thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key
plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all
you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4
will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to
run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be
a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not
sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  - An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work
for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Mario

#68907

I understand that running JAWS from the systray uses less RAM and is a 
tad quicker to respond to commands. and I guess it's mostely a matter of 
preference.

Show quoted text

-------- Original Message --------
From: James Bentley [mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019, 3:34 AM
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where
Jaws runs best.

James B

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked
by default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the
setup wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they
will have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.
What kind of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as
possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
   JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice
in my thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws
key plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you
that all you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then,
insert/Jaws  F4 will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and
tab to run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely
must be a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining
authorization? I am not sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

-- 
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

-- 
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to
work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

.

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Dave Durber

#68906

Hello surendra:

As far as I know, the only way to change the behaviour of the function keys for an HP Laptop, is to have someone with vision go into the BIOS and make the change. If your friend bought the laptop from a local supplier, he/she could take the laptop there and ask them to make the change for them.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "surendra KUMAR GUPTA" <skg.dhanbad@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I don't know the exact model number, but he told me that he purchased
an HP laptop.

On 4/17/19, david <davidmac1957@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello; I forgot to mention, if you tell us which model of computer your
talking about, obviously it's a laptop,
there is a function key keystroke to turn on and off certain behaviors.
example, mousepad,
volume up and down, etc.

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a
dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR
GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just
wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you
get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra
KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps
and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I installed
JAWS
and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform the Insert+F4
command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting keyboard layout to
laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks "Windows+P" and opens a
projection listbox with 4 options like, "Computer only," "Extend" etc. I
tried the same via an external USB keyboard, but to no avail. Besides,
Application key for bringing up a context menu is non-functional, I can
easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality
Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to
work for in 2012
Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and
ISO 27001:2005 Compliant Company

-- 
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to
work for in 2012
Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and
ISO 27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>

#68905

I am using a converted Mac Book pro and have the JAWS settings to function as a desktop computer.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: April 17, 2019 10:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

A wireless keyboard won't solve the issue if your laptop uses the function keys as media keys. If that is the case by default then the function keys on the wireless keyboard will mimic this behaviour. 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
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Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>

#68904

The insert key has also been called the JAWS key or NVDA key. Thus we are talking about the same key strokes here. Smile.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: April 18, 2019 5:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

why do you need to use, jaws/insert key+alt+f4, you should be able to use insert+f4 to unload jaws.
this is true whether you use a wireless or not.

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
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Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>

#68903

One other thought. I would mention to the author of the web site they should follow ARIA: Accessible Rich Internet Applications and look at w3.org which Provides information on making sites accessible to the visually impaired as well as other disabilities. The url has information about ARIA and other ways to help make their site accessible. You could even mention that there are about 19 million people in this country with a disability. Not a small market.

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Hi Kevin,

Huge thanks for the reply, that’s actually really helpful to have an understanding of why it’s not working, I can now go back to the author of the site and see if he is able to make the appropriate changes.

Thanks again for the help

Paul

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

I finally took a look at the html on the site. One of the things a developer should do is test their web site on more than one browser. Plus they should have individuals with different disabilities test the site. They probably didn’t think of how a screen reader picks up on text or graphics. The site is using what I think is an attribute I never saw before. I think the internet explorer recognize it and the other browsers do not. I would suggest to them to use the alt attribute. The code uses the alt attribute in other locations. Yet it sets the alt attribute associated value to blank. A screen reader needs the alt attribute to have text.

For example:

Alt=”Facebook”

I hop;e this helps.

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

You will hear the following in IE but not Edge, Chrome or Firefox:
list of 6 items
Link Facebook
Link Twitter
Link Reddit
Link LinkedIn
Link WhatsApp
Link Email
Here is the link the text is near the top before the article:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613285/the-uks-online-laws-could-be-the-future-of-the-internetand-thats-got-people-worried/?utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=71575324&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_Im2pCyP5sLaa_xrrjLAVc_2gqBwoVSGnPjoSitk2NWaJLYc8tSs-zmzbGV7zG7mBeoeMPxB7b8Jh7I_PNUFWhm8PU5IEas4Sxp9IaTEqYenab4jk&_hsmi=71575324
On 4/9/2019 3:49 AM, Kevin Meyers wrote:

I have been creating web sites for a html/css class I’m taking. I could take a look at the actual code and maybe find out what is going on behind the sceens. Do you have the site you are looking at promoted so I can use a url to look at it?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

I have come across this with links when I am reading the MIT articles. Edge, Chrome and Firefox will just say link but IE says the name of the link... Funny the oldist "outdated browser is the only one working correctly. So it is not that they arent labled correctly... Not sure why this happens but it is strange.
On 4/8/2019 2:38 PM, paul lemm wrote:
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. I have seen that kind of behaviour before with links in chrome, but for these links , even if I move up or down from the link the link name is still not being spoken by Jaws for some reason. I’ve even tried CTRL and f to bring up the search, but even the search function can’t seem to find the link names , it’s like they just aren’t showing for some strange reason in chrome and Firefox.

Paul

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Hi Paul,

Sometimes I find in Chrome, it will say the word Link, then underneath will be the name of the link when you down arrow. Is it doing that? Like this:-

Link
Favourites
Link
Whatever

On separate lines in the browse buffer.

You see this too on the Wordpress Dashboard, if you go into any option like Updates, then look for the dashboard link, it is not spoken.

I believe this to be a Chrome problem.

All the best

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: 08 April 2019 15:50
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Hi everyone,

I’m building a word press site. The theme I’m using seems nice and accessible and is working well with screen readers, but I’ve come across 4 links which aren’t being read out by jaws in chrome and Firefox and jaws just says link, but yet if I use IE the links are read out fine by Jaws and will for example say ‘link favorites’. I’ve tried with NVDA too and get the same issue. I’m hoping to reach out to the developer/author of the word press theme and see if they can make any adjustments so Jaws will read out what these four links actually are , rather than just saying link, but I wanted to go back to him with a solution as to how to possibly fix the link, so does anyone know the technical reason links wouldn’t read their names in chrome and Firefox but yet would work fine in internet explorer?

Many thanks in advance for any help

Paul

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

david

#68902

why do you need to use, jaws/insert key+alt+f4,
you should be able to use insert+f4 to unload jaws.
this is true whether you use a wireless or not.


       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO 27001:2005 Compliant Company

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

paul lemm

#68901

Hi Kevin,

Huge thanks for the reply, that’s actually really helpful to have an understanding of why it’s not working, I can now go back to the author of the site and see if he is able to make the appropriate changes.

Thanks again for the help

Paul

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 3:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

I finally took a look at the html on the site. One of the things a developer should do is test their web site on more than one browser. Plus they should have individuals with different disabilities test the site. They probably didn’t think of how a screen reader picks up on text or graphics. The site is using what I think is an attribute I never saw before. I think the internet explorer recognize it and the other browsers do not. I would suggest to them to use the alt attribute. The code uses the alt attribute in other locations. Yet it sets the alt attribute associated value to blank. A screen reader needs the alt attribute to have text.

For example:

Alt=”Facebook”

I hop;e this helps.

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

You will hear the following in IE but not Edge, Chrome or Firefox:
list of 6 items
Link Facebook
Link Twitter
Link Reddit
Link LinkedIn
Link WhatsApp
Link Email
Here is the link the text is near the top before the article:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613285/the-uks-online-laws-could-be-the-future-of-the-internetand-thats-got-people-worried/?utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=71575324&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_Im2pCyP5sLaa_xrrjLAVc_2gqBwoVSGnPjoSitk2NWaJLYc8tSs-zmzbGV7zG7mBeoeMPxB7b8Jh7I_PNUFWhm8PU5IEas4Sxp9IaTEqYenab4jk&_hsmi=71575324
On 4/9/2019 3:49 AM, Kevin Meyers wrote:

I have been creating web sites for a html/css class I’m taking. I could take a look at the actual code and maybe find out what is going on behind the sceens. Do you have the site you are looking at promoted so I can use a url to look at it?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

I have come across this with links when I am reading the MIT articles. Edge, Chrome and Firefox will just say link but IE says the name of the link... Funny the oldist "outdated browser is the only one working correctly. So it is not that they arent labled correctly... Not sure why this happens but it is strange.
On 4/8/2019 2:38 PM, paul lemm wrote:
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply. I have seen that kind of behaviour before with links in chrome, but for these links , even if I move up or down from the link the link name is still not being spoken by Jaws for some reason. I’ve even tried CTRL and f to bring up the search, but even the search function can’t seem to find the link names , it’s like they just aren’t showing for some strange reason in chrome and Firefox.

Paul

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Hi Paul,

Sometimes I find in Chrome, it will say the word Link, then underneath will be the name of the link when you down arrow. Is it doing that? Like this:-

Link
Favourites
Link
Whatever

On separate lines in the browse buffer.

You see this too on the Wordpress Dashboard, if you go into any option like Updates, then look for the dashboard link, it is not spoken.

I believe this to be a Chrome problem.

All the best

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: 08 April 2019 15:50
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: links not being read in chrome, but being read fine in IE

Hi everyone,

I’m building a word press site. The theme I’m using seems nice and accessible and is working well with screen readers, but I’ve come across 4 links which aren’t being read out by jaws in chrome and Firefox and jaws just says link, but yet if I use IE the links are read out fine by Jaws and will for example say ‘link favorites’. I’ve tried with NVDA too and get the same issue. I’m hoping to reach out to the developer/author of the word press theme and see if they can make any adjustments so Jaws will read out what these four links actually are , rather than just saying link, but I wanted to go back to him with a solution as to how to possibly fix the link, so does anyone know the technical reason links wouldn’t read their names in chrome and Firefox but yet would work fine in internet explorer?

Many thanks in advance for any help

Paul

JAWS Freezes When Hyperlinking in Word

Rahul Bajaj

#68900

Hi,

I use JAWS 2018. I have Word 10 as well as 16. JAWS simply freezes
whenever I press control+k and start hyperlinking. In word 16, it
still manages to remain afloat and you can turn it back on, but in
2010, it simply stops working completely.

NVDA does slightly better, but it freezes a bit as well. Any ideas?

Best,
RahulJ

-- 
--
Rahul Bajaj
Candidate for the BCL
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

James Bentley

#68899

I hate Jaws in the task bar too.  And, I'm still curious as to where Jaws runs best.

James B

Show quoted text

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible.
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
 JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4 will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like,
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Jaws not talking when tabing through the network section

Steve Nutt

#68898

Yes, that’s right too.

All the best

Steve

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 17 April 2019 03:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not talking when tabing through the network section

Yes, enter may give you these two options, but selecting the “left double click” option let’s you easily choose a Wi-Fi network if you are at a hotel or somewhere else without ever having to open Network Settings.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not talking when tabing through the network section

Hi,

Again, working for me. I went to the JFW system tray list with JAWS Key and F11, then selected my network, pressed enter, and got Troubleshooting, or Open Network Sharing etc. Everything speaks fine.

All the best

Steve

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: 14 April 2019 23:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not talking when tabing through the network section

Go over to your system tray then arrow to where jaws says your network name and press enter and try to tab around the screen. Jaws 2018 will not say anything unless I turn narrator

On Apr 14, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Can you explain in more detail what you mean by “Network area”? I just went to Settings > Network and Internet” and Jaws reads many things when tabbing through these different categories although I am using Jaws 2019.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not talking when tabing through the network section

Yes, a good example of where one needs to launch Narrator since Jaws through 2019 seem to be mostly useless in there.
Richard

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On Apr 13, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Maria Reyes <mgreyes901@...> wrote:
Hi I am using Jaws 2018 and Windows 10. When I tab around the network area Jaws doesn't say anything. I just hear tab tab tab. Is this fixable or is this a bug?

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>

#68897

A wireless keyboard won't solve the issue if your laptop uses the function keys as media keys. If that is the case by default then the function keys on the wireless keyboard will mimic this behaviour.

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
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Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>

#68896

If this is the case I wonder why "Run from system tray" is not checked by default if you install Jaws on a new system.
It is always one of the first things I do either manually or in the setup wizard since I hate having Jaws in the taskbar.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Greetings,

Now, you got me curious.  FS use to always tell users of Jaws that they will have a better experience if they run Jaws from the system tray.  What kind of problems do you run in to if it is run from the system tray.

Naturally, we all want Jaws to be as effective and problem free as possible. 
So, Any advice will be appreciated.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Longmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,
  JAWS in the system tray does not always respond well.  Best practice in my thought is to quit JAWS with JAWS key and F4.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Are you not running Jaws from the system tray?  If doing an insert/jaws key plus J doesn't put you in to the Jaws options, that is telling you that all you need to do is put Jaws in to the system tray.  Then, insert/Jaws  F4 will work the way you want it to.

If you can alt tab to the Jaws options menu, then go in to basics and tab to run Jaws in the system tray and check that check box.

Good luck,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi,

I am using latest 2019 JAWS and Windows 10. Working for me... surely must be a setting. Has all been accomplished with obtaining authorization? I am not sure if this works with laptop setting Vs desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted
Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO
27001:2005 Compliant Company

Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>

#68895

I do it the old fashion way.  Use a wireless keyboard This way I have the 6 pack of keys and just use the insert or JAWS key with Alt. F4, to close JAWS

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: April 17, 2019 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

The problem is that the laptop has function keys set to be media keys by default.  So, you need to press the FN key with the JAWS key and F4.  I do this on my personal laptop.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Yes, I have already tested this one and it works as expected. I just wanted Insert+F4 command to somehow work, but no success so far.

On 4/17/19, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Surendra,

When you alt tab to the JAWS screen/application, try alt F4 and see if 
you get the shut down command.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of 
surendra KUMAR GUPTA
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:00 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Unable to quit JAWS using Insert+F4

Hi all,

I hope this Email finds you all in good spirit.

My friend has recently purchased a laptop equipped with Windows10.
Since he is not that tech savvy, he wanted me to install his prefered 
apps and do all the necessary settings according to his liking. I 
installed JAWS and NVDA successfully; however, I was unable to perform 
the Insert+F4 command to quit JAWS by any means, even when setting 
keyboard layout to laptop. As I hit Caps lock+F4, JAWS speaks 
"Windows+P" and opens a projection listbox with 4 options like, 
"Computer only," "Extend" etc. I tried the same via an external USB 
keyboard, but to no avail. Besides, Application key for bringing up a 
context menu is non-functional, I can easily launch the same with
Shift+F10 though. Now, it really makes me wonder why such a strange is
happening. Your tips and tricks will be highly appreciated.

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Engineer,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and 
Quality Assurance Company Skype Id: surendrathegreat24

--
Regards,
Surendra Kumar Gupta
Accessibility Testing Trainee,
QA InfoTech,
http://www.qainfotech.com  – An Independent Software Testing and Quality Assurance Company
100 Best Companies to work for in 2010 and 2011 & 50 Best Companies to work for in 2012 Skype Id: surendrathegreat24
M: 91-8010648093

QA InfoTech is an ISO 9001:2008, CMMi Level 3, ISO 20000-1:2011 and ISO 27001:2005 Compliant Company

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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