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Re: switching off space marker.

CJ &AA MAY
 

Worked; thanks Steve.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 18 March 2019 15:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

No, Strong is a form of font, like Bold, only more emphasised.

Insert+V from within Word, then check what attributes you have turned
Insert+on,
for JAWS to read.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 18 March 2019 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Alison. I believe that the Strong, Normal and Weak refer to gramatical
construction within the document. I would suspect that the solution for this
will be in the "proofing" section of Word, within the Options section. You
should be able to reach the options with ALT plus F, followed by the letter
T. Then, once you are in Options, arrow down to proofing.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Whilst we are talking about editing features, In some documents Jaws says
"strong" and "normal" - what is it talking about and is there a way to
switch this feature off?
I am using Office 365 with Jaws 18.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 17 March 2019 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Ann. This setting may not affect space markers. On your system, does
turning off New Lines and Paragraphs Indication stop voicing of space
markers?

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be
off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.


Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Van Lant, Robin
 

It’s alt numpad delete to get the distance from top and left margins.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

 

It does that for me in most instances, too. Not when I’m in Word. In Word, if I’m in an empty document, and I press INS plus DELETE, JAWS says:

 

line -1 column -1

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

 

JAWSKey+delete announces the distance from the top and left edges of the page.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 5:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

 

Hi all,

 

I am working on a Microsoft Word document. I am wanting to evenly distribute information within the cover page. I hit insert and the #3 key to tell me what page I am on, Can anyone tell me what keystroke will tell me what line I am on within or on a certain page?

 

Thank you,

 

Rick

 

 

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Re: switching off space marker.

CJ &AA MAY
 

Thanks Steve.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 18 March 2019 15:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

No, Strong is a form of font, like Bold, only more emphasised.

Insert+V from within Word, then check what attributes you have turned
Insert+on,
for JAWS to read.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 18 March 2019 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Alison. I believe that the Strong, Normal and Weak refer to gramatical
construction within the document. I would suspect that the solution for this
will be in the "proofing" section of Word, within the Options section. You
should be able to reach the options with ALT plus F, followed by the letter
T. Then, once you are in Options, arrow down to proofing.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Whilst we are talking about editing features, In some documents Jaws says
"strong" and "normal" - what is it talking about and is there a way to
switch this feature off?
I am using Office 365 with Jaws 18.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 17 March 2019 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Ann. This setting may not affect space markers. On your system, does
turning off New Lines and Paragraphs Indication stop voicing of space
markers?

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be
off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Mario
 

when you reinstall Firefox, I believe you can disconnect from the
Internet, and set 52 to never install updates. reason being, if Firefox
has online access to the Internet while 52 is being reinstalled, 52 will
automatically be updated to the latest version after the installation
has completed. by disconnecting, 52 has no chance to automatically
update before setting it's setting to never update. but be aware that
you are significantly thwarting Firefox's security while using it.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

   Hi, thank you so very much!!!!!! that worked like a charm, Google
crome is now my default browser.
one more question if I can, I have firefox 52 as I deleted it but, I
have the program to install again if I wish, do you know how to get it
not to update??  It is something that has to be done quite quickly or it
will mess up again.  Thank you!! Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

press the windows key.
search for and enter on the phrase "set your default programs".
down arrow to Google Chrome.
tab twice and press space bar on the "Set this program as default button".
tab to and space bar on the OK button.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

    windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in  some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

           In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

           Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.








.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:09 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
The only problem I have is that Firefox updates too quickly and becomes the default browser..
If that's happening then something else is wrong with your Windows installation.   The default browser should not ever change unless you change it (and under Windows 10, at least up through version 1809, it wouldn't even change if you used the "set this as the default browser" choice when installing a new web browser - you had to do it under Default apps - though that decision "takes" in earlier Windows).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Dave...
 

Andrew,

Well, if your executable for installing Firefox is a file on your hard
drive, then try installing while you have your connection to the internet
turned off. Then launch Firefox, and wander around the options until you
find the checkbox to update automatically. Then when you're satisfied,
reconnect to the internet.

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew J. LaPointe" <alapointe89@comcast.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 08:23
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome


Hi, thank you so very much!!!!!! that worked like a charm, Google crome
is now my default browser.
one more question if I can, I have firefox 52 as I deleted it but, I have
the program to install again if I wish, do you know how to get it not to
update?? It is something that has to be done quite quickly or it will mess
up again. Thank you!! Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

press the windows key.
search for and enter on the phrase "set your default programs".
down arrow to Google Chrome.
tab twice and press space bar on the "Set this program as default button".
tab to and space bar on the OK button.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask. I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link. Can you help?? Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release both keys and press B. I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE's old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I've just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

Hi, thank you so very much!!!!!! that worked like a charm, Google crome is now my default browser.
one more question if I can, I have firefox 52 as I deleted it but, I have the program to install again if I wish, do you know how to get it not to update?? It is something that has to be done quite quickly or it will mess up again. Thank you!! Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

press the windows key.
search for and enter on the phrase "set your default programs".
down arrow to Google Chrome.
tab twice and press space bar on the "Set this program as default button".
tab to and space bar on the OK button.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask. I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link. Can you help?? Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release both keys and press B. I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Gerald Levy
 

Impossible.  I have tried the latest version of Chrome with JAWS 16 and it constantly crashes every time I try to access search results using Google.  According to the moderator of the other JAWS list, Chrome will not work with any version of JAWS below JAWS 18. So if anyone else on this list has been able to use the latest version of Chrome successfully with JAWS 17 or earlier, please let us know.


Gerald

On 3/18/2019 11:09 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
   Hi Google Crome works wonderfully with Jaws 13.  The only problem I have is that Firefox updates too quickly and becomes the default browser... I can't seem to find how to tell firefox not to update..  The Firefox 52 also works great with Jaws 13 as long as it doesn't update..  I just deleted firefox.. Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome


I don't think so.  Chrome does not work with JAWS 13.  It only works
with JAWS 18 or higher.


Gerald



On 3/18/2019 10:37 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.





Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Mario
 

Andrew, Gerald's right, since Chrome automatically updates, JAWS 13 is
not compatible with the current version of Chrome. if you were using
JAWS 2018 or above, then you'd be set in using either the latest version
of Chrome or Firefox. BTW, what version of Firefox are you using currently?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

press the windows key.
search for and enter on the phrase "set your default programs".
down arrow to Google Chrome.
tab twice and press space bar on the "Set this program as default button".
tab to and space bar on the OK button.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in  some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

Hi Google Crome works wonderfully with Jaws 13. The only problem I have is that Firefox updates too quickly and becomes the default browser... I can't seem to find how to tell firefox not to update.. The Firefox 52 also works great with Jaws 13 as long as it doesn't update.. I just deleted firefox.. Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome


I don't think so. Chrome does not work with JAWS 13. It only works
with JAWS 18 or higher.


Gerald



On 3/18/2019 10:37 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask. I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link. Can you help?? Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release both keys and press B. I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Mario
 

press the windows key.
search for and enter on the phrase "set your default programs".
down arrow to Google Chrome.
tab twice and press space bar on the "Set this program as default button".
tab to and space bar on the OK button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in  some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: switching off space marker.

Steve Nutt
 

No, Strong is a form of font, like Bold, only more emphasised.

Insert+V from within Word, then check what attributes you have turned on,
for JAWS to read.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 18 March 2019 00:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Alison. I believe that the Strong, Normal and Weak refer to gramatical
construction within the document. I would suspect that the solution for this
will be in the "proofing" section of Word, within the Options section. You
should be able to reach the options with ALT plus F, followed by the letter
T. Then, once you are in Options, arrow down to proofing.

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Whilst we are talking about editing features, In some documents Jaws says
"strong" and "normal" - what is it talking about and is there a way to
switch this feature off?
I am using Office 365 with Jaws 18.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 17 March 2019 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Ann. This setting may not affect space markers. On your system, does
turning off New Lines and Paragraphs Indication stop voicing of space
markers?

Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be
off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Gerald Levy
 

I don't think so.  Chrome does not work with JAWS 13.  It only works with JAWS 18 or higher.


Gerald

On 3/18/2019 10:37 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask. I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link. Can you help?? Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release both keys and press B. I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a
well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*/

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Curtis,

            To answer your question, I believe the answer is "no."  The "favorites as a central file" concept was dropped a long time ago, even by Microsoft, and bookmarks tend to be maintained by their respective browsers.   That being said, the first thing that shows at the top of the Chrome Bookmarks Manager page is the bookmarks search.  If you need to filter, and you use names for your bookmarks that allow you to zero in with a word or two, you can get down to a single bookmark very easily then just activate it from within bookmarks manager.  That's actually what I teach people to do, particularly those who really don't organize them in any folder hierarchy.  Of course, I find that I use bookmarks far more seldom these days with the "look through search history" function that's a part of the URL box.  With just a few characters of the site name or something else distinctive what I'm looking for is generally in the short list that one can just down arrow through to select from, and presented from most recently visited to older.

Andrew,

           If you're using Windows 10, then Settings, Apps, Default Apps Pane.  Search for Web Browser.  Your current default web browser will be listed and whatever it is it is a button.  If you activate it you will be presented with a list of installed web browsers on your machine and can choose whichever one you wish.

           If you're using an earlier version of Windows, then Control Panel, Default Programs Item, Default Programs link once the item is opened.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Mario
 

which operating system are you using?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in  some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

         In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

         Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a
well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*/

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Re: Sound volume on websites with Google Crome

Marty Hutchings
 

Good idea, but I tried it and Crome doesn't show up on the sound mixer. I just have the sound card volume, system sounds and Zoom volume. Where is Crome volume?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Shankar C
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 3:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sound volume on websites with Google Crome

I think, the chrome volume might be low.
open the chrome as well the volume mixer , and tab to the chrome
volume and increase the chrome volume using up/down arrow keys.




On 3/18/19, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@wi.rr.com> wrote:
I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7. I am using a phone messaging service
called iTellacenter and when I try to play my voice mail messages using
Google Crome, the volume is muted or extremely low. The volume slider on
the player shows that it is all the way up and the mute is off, but I still
hear nothing, unless I turn my amp way up. I do not have this problem when
using Firefox, but some functions of the website just work better with
Google Crome and it is faster. I have also encountered this when playing
You Tube videos with Google Crome. What am I missing?
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13




--
----------"Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point."
----------
email: harshalgips@gmail.com
msn: harshalgips@hotmail.com
skype: shankar.a
mobile:+919945860671
thanks and regards
shankar


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

As a rule of thumb, with the speed of computers now, if you write to the card, give it 10 or 15 seconds, then you can pull it out safely without ejecting.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 16 March 2019 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:46 PM, Bill White wrote:

I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option.

Which can only occur if you pull while a write process is active, period, as far as the end-user action being able to cause an issue.  They're not write-cached, either, as they're considered USB devices.  And I just checked that on my own machine, where I have an SD card that I routinely pull without ejecting without any ill effects.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

How do you know that the act of pulling it out corrupted it?  I would suggest that was a bit of a coincidence.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 16 March 2019 18:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

Maybe so, but I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option. And their system wasn’t customized.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:

Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

I have to agree with you here.  I haven’t used Safely Remove for ever.  I simply turned off write caching in Windows 7 anyway, and as you say, in Windows 10 it’s the default.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 16 March 2019 18:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:

Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore