Hi Google Crome works wonderfully with Jaws 13.  The only problem I have is that Firefox updates too quickly and becomes the default browser... I can't seem to find how to tell firefox not to update..  The Firefox 52 also works great with Jaws 13 as long as it doesn't update..  I just deleted firefox.. Andy and Shubert

-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome


I don't think so.  Chrome does not work with JAWS 13.  It only works
with JAWS 18 or higher.


Gerald



On 3/18/2019 10:37 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:

   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask. I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link. Can you help?? Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release both keys and press B. I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

   windows 7 with jaws 13.

-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

which operating system are you using?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Andrew J. LaPointe [mailto:alapointe89@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

*Hi, I know that this is not about book marks but, it is the only way I
have to ask.  I have google crome and I need to get the short cut to
make google crome my default browser... Fire Fox loads when I click on
to an email or some other link.  Can you help??  Thanks so much, Andy
and Shubert*
*From:* paul lemm <mailto:paul.lemm@sky.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Hi Orlando,

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then
pressing F, then release  both keys and press B.  I find that the
quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites
bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can
right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in
and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark
without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks
list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I
decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in some
folder in my bookmarks list.

Paul

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando,

When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is
"Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it
from among your existing folders or create a new one.

          In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop
or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying
its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then
shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew
using the URL you copied.

          Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks
where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

I am running JAWS 18 with Windows 7. I am using a phone messaging service
called iTellacenter and when I try to play my voice mail messages using
Google Crome, the volume is muted or extremely low. The volume slider on
the player shows that it is all the way up and the mute is off, but I still
hear nothing, unless I turn my amp way up. I do not have this problem when
using Firefox, but some functions of the website just work better with
Google Crome and it is faster. I have also encountered this when playing
You Tube videos with Google Crome. What am I missing?
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 16 March 2019 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:46 PM, Bill White wrote:

I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option.

Which can only occur if you pull while a write process is active, period, as far as the end-user action being able to cause an issue.  They're not write-cached, either, as they're considered USB devices.  And I just checked that on my own machine, where I have an SD card that I routinely pull without ejecting without any ill effects.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Maybe so, but I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option. And their system wasn’t customized.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:

Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 16 March 2019 18:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:

Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

I'm not even sure what the objective is here. When the System Tray is opened with JAWS Key + F11, you can use first-letter navigation to find anything. Is it that critical to have the icons arranged in a certain order if you're using JAWS?

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.

That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore