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Re: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

Mario
 

Brian, I'd like to copy the address of the link to your document for
future download, and usually Thunderbird does have a copy link location
command if I right click the link, but for some reason when I right
click the link in your post below, TB doesn't have the copy link
location command. do you know why, and can I please have the address for
my note?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

Coming in on this one late.  Here's the tutorial I wrote on this ages ago:

* Ripping a CD Using Windows Media Player

<https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOMG92Z1JYMlFYX1U>

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*/   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/

Re: OpenTween tutorial?

 

Cristóbal,

          I "don't do" social media of any sort, but many business people consider it an absolute must, so I wasn't sure what your level of desperation/interest might have been.

          I seldom go for paid resources until I've at least tried the free ones that are available and that I can find.

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Orlando,

           I do not know what you are actually doing, but your assertions are incorrect, plain and simple.  If you have nested folders, those will not be presented in the simple dropdown after hitting CTRL+D to create a bookmark, you have to select the top level folder from that short list then hit the More button in the same dialog, which opens a full blown navigator dialog for your bookmarks folder structure.

           Like most things on Windows, there are multiple methods to do what you're doing, but the more complex your folder structure the less that can be initially exposed in the "short version" of the pop-up dialog for creating a bookmark.  You have to use the More button when you want to drill down.

           I've already revised my earlier advice with regard to a 4-step process to relocate a bookmark to use copy and paste instead.
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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Larry Wayland
 

Thanks for this Paul.

I was trying to deal with book marks just last night in Croam and this was exactly what I was needing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Hi Orlando,

 

Personally, I bring up the bookmarks in Chrome  by holding Alt and then pressing F, then release  both keys and press  B.  I find that the quickest method for me, plus it feels most like IE’s  old favourites bookmarks which I like. But when you are in this bookmark menu you can right click a bookmark , select cut then go to the folder you want it in and paste there. I find this helpful if I’ve just added a quick bookmark without assigning it a folder since its at the bottom of my bookmarks list and I can just then cut and paste it into the folder I want it if I decide to keep the bookmark and want to file/organise it away in  some folder in my bookmarks list.

 

Paul

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Orlando,

         When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item in the dialog is "Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you wish to place it from among your existing folders or create a new one.

         In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag and drop or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing bookmark, copying its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to where you want it. then shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu button and create it anew using the URL you copied.

         Every web browser gives you the ability to create bookmarks where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them around at will.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: OpenTween tutorial?

Cristóbal
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks, yes. I’m aware of this tutorial. Honestly though, I don’t think I’m that enamored enough with Twitter to pay for a tutorial. I’m generally good about figuring stuff out with help files or a little documentation, but for whatever reason, the OpenTween stuff for me at least is kind of garbled.

I know I can do trial and error, but I was feeling kind of lazy.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenTween tutorial?

 

Cristóbal,

It's not free, but appears to be incredibly comprehensive and is targeted at screen reader users:

Don't Be Twixt, Be Tween! Working With OpenTween Using Screen ...

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: switching off space marker.

CJ &AA MAY
 

Whilst we are talking about editing features, In some documents Jaws says
"strong" and "normal" - what is it talking about and is there a way to
switch this feature off?
I am using Office 365 with Jaws 18.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 17 March 2019 20:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

Hi, Ann. This setting may not affect space markers. On your system, does
turning off New Lines and Paragraphs Indication stop voicing of space
markers?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be
off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.

Office 365 and Downloading Office 2019

Milton Ota <mota1252@...>
 

Hello,

I'm trying to figure out what link to use/to get Office 2019 after logging into Office365.com to download the Office2019 package for Home Users.

I already have an active subscription to Office 365 and just want to be up-to-date with the latest. I understand that one should be able to download and install Office 2019 for no additional cost.

It probably would be best to reply to me privately.

Re: switching off space marker.

Bill White
 

Hi, Ann. This setting may not affect space markers. On your system, does
turning off New Lines and Paragraphs Indication stop voicing of space
markers?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be
off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.

Re: switching off space marker.

CJ &AA MAY
 

I am using Office 365 with Jaws 18 and solved the problem with alt h followed by the figure 8.

I have no idea how I enable it with such keystrokes, but this does toggle it on and off.

Alison

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: 17 March 2019 19:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

 

What version of Word are you using? I'm using the latest Office 365 version, and I did this exact same thing a few days ago. I wish I knew how it got accidentally turned on because it can really drive you crazy!

The Control+Shift+8 keystroke did work for me. Maybe closed your document and/or Word, then re-open everything and try again.

If all else fails, unload Jaws with Insert+F4, then restart Jaws again and try it.

~Ann


On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 02:49 PM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I have accidentally enabled space marker; I thought it was control plus shift 8 to switch it off but this doesn't seem to work.
Help!
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: 17 March 2019 15:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

umm, I believe the keystroke is:

insert+.




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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

oh, okay, got it. discard my below response.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

huh. I don't think so because the zero key on the numpad acts as an insert when the numlock is off. so according to what you said, the keystroke is insert+insert.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Insert and zero key on numpad

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

would you mind enlightening us on what is the keystroke or how you did it?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Sorry. figured it out by playing with different combinations.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Rick Mladek
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 8:34 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Hi all,

I am working on a Microsoft Word document. I am wanting to evenly distribute information within the cover page. I hit insert and the #3 key to tell me what page I am on, Can anyone tell me what keystroke will tell me what line I am on within or on a certain page?

Thank you,

Rick

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Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 10:47 AM 3/17/2019, Brian Vogel wrote:
Orlando,
When you create a bookmark with CTRL+D, the second item
in the dialog is "Folder" where you can choose the folder in which you
wish to place it from among your existing folders or create a new one.
I know that. I'm saying that it is precisely in the second portion of that dialogue where I would expect all my bookmarks folders to appear, sorted alphabetically. In fact, there are only a few of those folders, randomly sorted.

In Bookmarks Manager you can either use emulated drag
and drop or, after bringing up the context menu for an existing
bookmark, copying its URL, deleting it where it is, navigating to
where you want it. then shift+TAB back to the Organize Bookmarks Menu
button and create it anew using the URL you copied.
Doesn't that seem like a lot of unnecessary work? Internet Explorer and Edge present me with all my favorites folders. Adding a new URL to any folder is as easy as selecting that folder from a combo box.

Every web browser gives you the ability to create
bookmarks where you want them in a folder hierarchy and move them
around at will.
That is absolutely not true in Chrome. Chrome's bookmarks dialogue only presents me with four to six folders out of 24, which means I must save a bookmark in a temporary location, then go into the organize bookmarks dialogue and move it. At least, that works.


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Re: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

 

Coming in on this one late.  Here's the tutorial I wrote on this ages ago:
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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

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Re: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

David Ingram
 

hi, how are you? You can do what they call rip a cd which is to take the songs that are on a cd and copy it to your computer. Yes you can do this in windows 10 go to windows media player and there is a tools menu that has rip as one of the choices. the cd will eject when the process is completed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario <mrb620@...>
Sent: Mar 17, 2019 10:40 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

I don't use WMP, but I'd imagine you'd have to set WPM to automatically
rip the tracks upon inserting the CD. I don't know how to do this in
WMP. sorry.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Lee Maschmeyer [mailto:leemer1@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019, 8:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How can I copy a CD to my computer using Windows 10?

Hi folks,

In Windows 7 and earlier I could use Windows Explorer or Media Player to
copy my CDs to my computer using Ctrl+C to copy and Ctrl+V to paste.
This appears not to work in Windows 10. I like Windows Media Player
best. These are CDs I have purchased or copied from my LP's so storing
them on my PC is legitimate. Anybody know how I can do this nowadays?
I'd prefer not to have to learn a new program but that's an option I guess.

Thanks,




Re: switching off space marker.

Ann Byrne
 

there is also a JAWS setting under insert+v.
Under editing: new lines and paragraph indication. It wants to be off. Well, *you want it to be off, whether it wants to or not.

Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Thank you so much for this information.

I'll be giving this a look.


On 2019-03-17 2:32 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
Tyler,

           The Organize Bookmarks menu button, which can be accessed by SHIFT+TAB from anywhere in the folder tree (2 times if your within a folder list itself) presents the following six items when you down arrow once you have focus on it:

Sort by name
Add new bookmark
Add new folder
Import bookmarks
Export bookmarks
Help Center

When you are actually resting on any given folder or bookmark you can use cut (CTRL+X) to pick it up for moving and paste (CTRL+V) when you have focus on the folder in which you wish to place it  or are in the items list for that folder.   True drag and drop works, too, but I am not having much success with emulated drag and drop in this instance, and cut and paste works (which is a better way of moving a bookmark from place to place than my earlier recommendation to copy URL, delete existing, create new, and paste URL).  Live and learn.
  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: OpenTween tutorial?

James Homuth
 

Or, you can use this, which is free.

https://docs.the-jdh.com/software/tween

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March-17-19 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OpenTween tutorial?

 

Cristóbal,

It's not free, but appears to be incredibly comprehensive and is targeted at screen reader users:

Don't Be Twixt, Be Tween! Working With OpenTween Using Screen ...

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: OpenTween tutorial?

 

Cristóbal,

It's not free, but appears to be incredibly comprehensive and is targeted at screen reader users:

Don't Be Twixt, Be Tween! Working With OpenTween Using Screen ...

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Tyler,

           The Organize Bookmarks menu button, which can be accessed by SHIFT+TAB from anywhere in the folder tree (2 times if your within a folder list itself) presents the following six items when you down arrow once you have focus on it:

Sort by name
Add new bookmark
Add new folder
Import bookmarks
Export bookmarks
Help Center

When you are actually resting on any given folder or bookmark you can use cut (CTRL+X) to pick it up for moving and paste (CTRL+V) when you have focus on the folder in which you wish to place it  or are in the items list for that folder.   True drag and drop works, too, but I am not having much success with emulated drag and drop in this instance, and cut and paste works (which is a better way of moving a bookmark from place to place than my earlier recommendation to copy URL, delete existing, create new, and paste URL).  Live and learn.
  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: switching off space marker.

ann
 

What version of Word are you using? I'm using the latest Office 365 version, and I did this exact same thing a few days ago. I wish I knew how it got accidentally turned on because it can really drive you crazy!

The Control+Shift+8 keystroke did work for me. Maybe closed your document and/or Word, then re-open everything and try again.

If all else fails, unload Jaws with Insert+F4, then restart Jaws again and try it.

~Ann


On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 02:49 PM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:
I have accidentally enabled space marker; I thought it was control plus shift 8 to switch it off but this doesn't seem to work.
Help!
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: 17 March 2019 15:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

umm, I believe the keystroke is:

insert+.




The impossible is the untried, Never under estimate the power of a dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

oh, okay, got it. discard my below response.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

huh. I don't think so because the zero key on the numpad acts as an insert when the numlock is off. so according to what you said, the keystroke is insert+insert.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Insert and zero key on numpad

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

would you mind enlightening us on what is the keystroke or how you did it?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Sorry. figured it out by playing with different combinations.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Rick Mladek
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 8:34 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Hi all,

I am working on a Microsoft Word document. I am wanting to evenly distribute information within the cover page. I hit insert and the #3 key to tell me what page I am on, Can anyone tell me what keystroke will tell me what line I am on within or on a certain page?

Thank you,

Rick

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Re: switching off space marker.

Bill White
 

Hi, Alison. Maybe one of the following will work for you in turning off the space markers. Note that when using CONTROL plus SHIFT plus 8 that it is the eight key just below the function keys, not the eight key on the NumPad.

To Stop Announcement of Paragraphs And Spaces


press ALT, then F for the file ribbon, then T for options dialog.
Type D or arrow to select the Display category and press TAB until you get to the "Show these formatting marks" on the screen section.
Make sure the following are unchecked (press the spacebar to check or uncheck and continue to TAB to the next setting):

Tab characters check box
Spaces check box
Paragraph marks check box
Show all formatting marks check box

the last one, the all checkbox, is important to uncheck.
keep pressing TAB to and SPACEBAR on the OK button.


Two Alternate Ways To Stop Announcement of Paragraph And Space Markers


1. Press CONTROL SHIFT 8 (on the numbers row.


Second Way:

Press ALT plus H, followed by 8 (on the numbers row)

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: switching off space marker.

I have accidentally enabled space marker; I thought it was control plus shift 8 to switch it off but this doesn't seem to work.
Help!
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: 17 March 2019 15:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

umm, I believe the keystroke is:

insert+.




The impossible is the untried, Never under estimate the power of a dream.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

oh, okay, got it. discard my below response.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

huh. I don't think so because the zero key on the numpad acts as an insert when the numlock is off. so according to what you said, the keystroke is insert+insert.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Insert and zero key on numpad

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

would you mind enlightening us on what is the keystroke or how you did it?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019, 8:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Sorry. figured it out by playing with different combinations.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Rick Mladek
*Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2019 8:34 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* keystroke to say what line you are on in MS Word

Hi all,

I am working on a Microsoft Word document. I am wanting to evenly distribute information within the cover page. I hit insert and the #3 key to tell me what page I am on, Can anyone tell me what keystroke will tell me what line I am on within or on a certain page?

Thank you,

Rick

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OpenTween tutorial?

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

I was wondering if anyone has or could point me to a tutorial for OpenTween? I’m a TW-Blue user with Jaws on the PC, but wanted to give OpenTween a spin. Installing and whatnot was easy enough, but … The interface is rather kind of funky. The help documentation as much as there is any is also really kind of rough.

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal