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Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Nutt
 

It definitely still works in the March update to JAWS 2019. If I press Control+Insert+Slash on the number row, it tells me Drag Object, so it is still working. They ought to have a word with that support person.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: 14 March 2019 23:03
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

i have never used it either. windows copy and paste has been working for me since windows 95

-----Original Message-----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



Well Steve I don t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like
I said I don t use it. Most of us don t so have at it with big bad Vispero if
you want it back.






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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura
<number6@noisynotes.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


I think we all need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to
do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.




On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:


Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been
retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that
it has not been removed from the documentation files.



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

It hasn’t been dropped, it still works for me.

 

I can only imagine that maybe Bill changed the keystroke in keyboard manager?

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 March 2019 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:57 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

Which is all too true and all too sad.   There are times, not many, but enough, when drag and drop, either literal or emulated through the keyboard, is the only way to accomplish a given task.

Also, given that this is a fundamental function of any GUI OS, and has been part and parcel of every screen reader I've dealt with, the probability that documentation has gotten screwed up is incredibly higher than the probability of such a basic function ever being dropped (and for the reasons I mentioned).
 
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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Problem With Jaws Sluggishness With Outlook E-mail

Steve Nutt
 

But you can also change that behaviour, by changing the power plan to High Performance, bearing in mind the reduction of battery life.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 March 2019 20:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem With Jaws Sluggishness With Outlook E-mail

 

When on battery, your power settings can be set to slow the processor down to save battery life.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 13 March 2019 18:11
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem With Jaws Sluggishness With Outlook E-mail

 

Danny and all:

 

Well, I’ve solved, or at least partially explained my Jaws sluggishness issue.

 

This morning, when I experienced the issue, I was running my computer on the laptop battery.

 

At the time, the battery was about half charged.

 

As soon as I plugged the computer back into the power supply, things returned to normal.

 

I wouldn’t think running the computer on the battery would make a difference, but, in this instance, it seems to be the case.

 

It’s rather strange, I know.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Yates, Danney
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem With Jaws Sluggishness With Outlook E-mail

 

I’m using JAWS 18 and Outlook 13; experience similar, if not worse, issues.  Includes Sluggishness, and getting thrown out of Outlook when attempting to  open emails by pressing enter.  Also, this morning, when I’d tab or shift tab, within message, to get to an attachment, JAWS would just go completely silent on me for at least thirty seconds and when returning, had lost focus.kept

I use the email client, not web mail, which, I’m told by  our IT guy, is the reason for my issues.  I prefer to use Outlook email client, the web mail is more difficult to navigate, in my opinion.

Danney

 

 

 

Roosevelt Warm Springs

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Assistant Director

Campus Life

Office: (706) 655-5129  Fax: (706) 655-5118  Georgia Relay: 711

6135 Roosevelt Highway│P.O. Box 1000 │Warm Springs, GA 31830

www.gvs.ga.gov                                       

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:15 PM
To: jfw list <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Problem With Jaws Sluggishness With Outlook E-mail

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I am not sure if this is related to the recent Windows update I just experienced, but I am now finding that Jaws is rather sluggish when arrowing through an e-mail ffolder listview in Outlook.

 

It used to be that when arrowing through the list, I got an instant response from Jaws as I arrowed up or down through the list view.

 

Now, there appears to be a ½ to 1 second delay when working through the list view.

 

I also notice the sluggishness when tabbing through the fields in an individual message.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts as to what might have changed, and how I can correct the issue?

 

I’m using Outlook 2016, Windows 10 version 1809, and the latest build of Jaws 2019.

 

Thanks as always.

              

Tom Behler

 

 



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Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Mario
 

I know why. you seem to get ticked off when someone says to use the
feature. even if the person who has the question doesn't have enough
functional vision to see like you can.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019, 3:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 03:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

switched to the hardware tab

Sorry, Bill, I skipped an essential step here.  Don't ask me why, but
even if you open the hardware tab by opening a given device's
properties, there is a hardware list at the top of that tab, and often
the first thing or several things listed are not the actual drive you're
looking at.

For instance, if I get to the Hardware tab for my SD card, the label
above the list is "All Disk Drives," and the SDHC card is actually the
second one in that list.  You've got to navigate to the drive you're
actually trying to look at again in this particular tab before
continuing on with the rest of the instructions.

I apologize for the oversight.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 03:03 PM, Bill White wrote:
switched to the hardware tab
Sorry, Bill, I skipped an essential step here.  Don't ask me why, but even if you open the hardware tab by opening a given device's properties, there is a hardware list at the top of that tab, and often the first thing or several things listed are not the actual drive you're looking at.

For instance, if I get to the Hardware tab for my SD card, the label above the list is "All Disk Drives," and the SDHC card is actually the second one in that list.  You've got to navigate to the drive you're actually trying to look at again in this particular tab before continuing on with the rest of the instructions.

I apologize for the oversight.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:59 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
I ask again, sort of, how do we know a write task is done without sight?
I'll answer again, as best I can.   For virtually any write task that involves a single small file, or even a few small files.  It's just done before you or I or any human being could possibly move our hands to pull the drive connection.   If you've ever done a cut and paste that doesn't involve many, many files you have experienced this directly.  Also, in the case of File Explorer or Windows Explorer, if it is something that's taking a long time you should get a progress dialog.  You can try to force this, too, by trying to cut and paste a folder you know contains thousands upon thousands of files to a USB storage device.  A status box comes up giving you time estimate to completion as well as percent complete.

If I'm doing, say, a full system image backup to an external HDD, the backup utility has a status monitor that I go back and look at to see if it has completed, and whether it completed successfully.

While I access all of the above visually, they are equally accessible via screen reader.  And if you go to try to find a status box for a copy, and none is there, it's done, which it is in the vast majority of cases where a few files are being shuffled around.

What I was trying to get at is I do not rely on blinking activity lights and the like because it's entirely hit or miss whether a given USB thumb drive even has one, SD cards definitely don't, and HDDs vary as to what they show depending on the brand.  My Toshiba external backup drive happens to have an indicator light that tells me not only if there's any read/write activity going on, but whether it's at USB 2.0 (or lower) or USB 3.0 speeds.  My Western Digital drive, by contrast, has a constantly blinking light if it's connected and has power, which gives me nothing of use to go on.  Thus, the presence of an ongoing status from a long running program like a full system image backup, or the absence of a status box from something like a copy/paste or cut/paste, tells me what I need to know about whether there's any ongoing activity to a given drive.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I inserted a thumb drive. I brought up the properties, switched to the hardware tab, clicked the device properties button, clicked the Change settings button, and there was no policies tab. I am using Microsoft Windows

Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) home version.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

As a sighted person you may tell by looking, but we, the blind, have to tell by vibration.

I actually seldom use anything on the drive itself as far as thumb drives or SD cards go to determine whether a task is finished writing.  Virtually anything where I'm copying, saving, etc., to a drive (be it a HDD or thumb/SD) gives a status that it's done.   Saving something like a word file, unless it were to be a multi-thousand page tome, is always over before you could even move your hand to pull the plug.

I'm not telling anyone that they should not use Eject if they so choose.  But what I am saying is that if you are confident that there is no write activity currently in process for a USB connected storage device that using Eject gains you nothing.  Some will always use it just for the comfort factor, and that's fine.   Just don't panic if you have to pull a drive without being able to do so that you know was not being written to at the time.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

I ask again, sort of, how do we know a write task is done without sight?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 3/16/2019 2:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
As a sighted person you may tell by looking, but we, the blind, have to tell by vibration.
I actually seldom use anything on the drive itself as far as thumb drives or SD cards go to determine whether a task is finished writing.  Virtually anything where I'm copying, saving, etc., to a drive (be it a HDD or thumb/SD) gives a status that it's done.   Saving something like a word file, unless it were to be a multi-thousand page tome, is always over before you could even move your hand to pull the plug.

I'm not telling anyone that they should not use Eject if they so choose.  But what I am saying is that if you are confident that there is no write activity currently in process for a USB connected storage device that using Eject gains you nothing.  Some will always use it just for the comfort factor, and that's fine.   Just don't panic if you have to pull a drive without being able to do so that you know was not being written to at the time.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:
As a sighted person you may tell by looking, but we, the blind, have to tell by vibration.
I actually seldom use anything on the drive itself as far as thumb drives or SD cards go to determine whether a task is finished writing.  Virtually anything where I'm copying, saving, etc., to a drive (be it a HDD or thumb/SD) gives a status that it's done.   Saving something like a word file, unless it were to be a multi-thousand page tome, is always over before you could even move your hand to pull the plug.

I'm not telling anyone that they should not use Eject if they so choose.  But what I am saying is that if you are confident that there is no write activity currently in process for a USB connected storage device that using Eject gains you nothing.  Some will always use it just for the comfort factor, and that's fine.   Just don't panic if you have to pull a drive without being able to do so that you know was not being written to at the time.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:46 PM, Bill White wrote:
I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option.
Which can only occur if you pull while a write process is active, period, as far as the end-user action being able to cause an issue.  They're not write-cached, either, as they're considered USB devices.  And I just checked that on my own machine, where I have an SD card that I routinely pull without ejecting without any ill effects.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

An external drive is easy to tell if activity has stopped, for ejection purposes, but not other devices, such as thumb drives or the VR Stream.  As a sighted person you may tell by looking, but we, the blind, have to tell by vibration.

  

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 3/16/2019 2:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:
Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.
I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Picture smart

Michael Munn
 

You can say that. The picture Smart really did a good job on describing it. 
Thanks for asking. 
best regards 
Michael Munn 

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:25 AM James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

In theory, yes, that is if the OCR feature lives up to the hyp. I suppose the only way to know is to try it out.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: March-14-19 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Picture smart

 

Hi.

 

As you all are probably aware, a new version of jaws was released yesterday, and I have a question about the Picture Smart feature. Can this make it easier for us to solve those captias we’ve spent years on battling?

 

Thanks.


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Maybe so, but I have seen SD cards corrupted because someone didn’t use the Safely Remove Hardware option. And their system wasn’t customized.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:

Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Bill White wrote:
Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.
I'm not arguing with anything else but this.   The Eject/Safely Remove Hardware function is an anachronism in all but the very rarest of circumstances.  All the way back to Windows 7 Microsoft changed the default behavior for USB connected devices to stop caching writes, because people were doing "the natural thing" and pulling out jump drives and external USB drives once it appeared all activity had ceased.  The problem was if the last activity had been write, the final block of data might not be written unless you ejected.

I just went through all this in the topic, Ejecting Hard Drives and Flash Drives ....., on Bleeping Computer when it came up the other day.  It won't hurt to use Eject, but it's utterly unnecessary on most systems unless someone has done customizations to go back to write caching for USB devices.  You can verify this for yourself for any USB drive you happen to have plugged in by bringing up its Properties, Hardware Tab, Properties button in the Hardware Tab, General Tab in that Properties dialog, Change Settings button, then, finally, the Policies tab in this final Properties dialog.  The radio button for, Quick Removal (default), will be chosen unless someone has tweaked the Windows installation defaults, and this is described as:  Disables write caching on the device and in Windows, but you can disconnect the device safely without using the Safely Remove Hardware notification icon.

I haven't used the eject function literally in decades provided I know that there is no active writing going on to a given thumb drive or external HDD connected via USB.  It's an extra step that, while it won't hurt, generally does nothing unless you were to be in the process of actively writing to the drive, then the eject will not be permitted until that's done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

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Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Mike B
 


Hi Steve,
 
With all due respect, System Tray icons can be rearranged!  I just learned that the Badges option needs to be turned off and here are my corrected steps:
 
Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons  running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all installed versions of Jaws.
1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Show Badges on Taskbar..., and make sure this is, Off / unchecked.
4. Tab a few times to, Notification Area, Select which icons appear on the taskbar Link, and press enter.
5. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in.  Tab through all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked / turned on because you're going to uncheck all of them.
6. Uncheck all the icons.  Now you will go through and check the icons in the order you want them in but keep in mind, they will appear in the reverse order that they are checked.  What I mean is, the 1st one yu check will be at the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc....  After you're done open the system tray to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is.
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

You and Mike B have a confusion. You want to rearrange system tray
icons. This is not possible. Mike B explained how to arrange taskbar
icons. This is absolutely possible, with one caveat: Any new program you
run is added to the end of the icon chain appearing on the taskbar. The
only thing you can change is the order of icons that are pinned to the
taskbar, and the only way to change that order is to unpin everything
and pin it back in the desired order. For example, on all my systems, I
have browsers pinned to 1, 2,and 3. Then come my media players on 4 and
5. Any program I open will become position 6. If I open a second program
and close the first, that program I opened which was at position 7 moves
back to 6, and I can't change that because it's not a permanently pinned
program.


Hope this helps.





Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Yes, it is, because if you have Show All Icons in System Tray turned off, not all icons show up in JAWS Key plus F11. If you don’t have them show up, and something goes haywire, such as you need the Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

 

I worked with Mike, and we found out that if Show Badges on Taskbar buttons is turned off, you are able to move System Tray icons by unchecking them, and then checking them again in the reverse order in which you want them to appear in the System Tray. Mike tandemmed into my computer, and was able to confirm that this is possible.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

I'm not even sure what the objective is here. When the System Tray is opened with JAWS Key + F11, you can use first-letter navigation to find anything. Is it that critical to have the icons arranged in a certain order if you're using JAWS?

 

On 3/16/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.

That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

Steve,

          "Critical" is in the eye of the beholder.   Also, a great many people prefer to use a "screen reader agnostic" access method to the system tray, WinKey+B, then right arrow through.

          There are many roads that lead to the proverbial Rome as far as accessing the system tray.   Some people like to be able to impose a display order for the functions that they intentionally keep on permanent display there.

          I have no opinion as to whether it's critical or not, but the information being shared about what's possible, both via keyboard manipulation or requiring a mouse and sight, should be accurate.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

I'm not even sure what the objective is here. When the System Tray is opened with JAWS Key + F11, you can use first-letter navigation to find anything. Is it that critical to have the icons arranged in a certain order if you're using JAWS?


On 3/16/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.
That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.
That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drag and Drop solved.

 

Not that I'm surprised that some don't know certain keyboard commands for JAWS, as there are so many that I don't think anyone has all of them memorized, particularly the desktop and laptop equivalents of each, but I am surprised that it seems that some are not familiar with the JAWS Documentation webpage.   The JAWS Keystrokes "cheat sheet" is always available there for the latest version in three different file formats, along with a lot of other material.

Toward the end of the page is also a link that allows you to find same for earlier versions of JAWS,  Previous JAWS for Windows Downloads page.
You can go all the way back to JAWS 10 using that page.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore